Our resident solar expert, Dr. Leif Svalgaard, sends word of this new discovery.
Stanford solar scientists solve one of the sun’s mysteries
The sun’s magnetic field can play havoc with communications technology. Stanford scientists have now described one of the underlying processes that help form the magnetic field, which could help scientists predict its behavior.
By Bjorn Carey
Stanford solar scientists have solved one of the few remaining fundamental mysteries of how the sun works.
The mechanism, known as meridional flow, works something like a conveyor belt. Magnetic plasma migrates north to south on the sun’s surface, from the equator to the poles, and then cycles into the sun’s interior on its way back to the equator.
The rate and depth beneath the surface of the sun at which this process occurs is critical for predicting the sun’s magnetic and flare activity, but has remained largely unknown until now.
The solar scientists used the Stanford-operated Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager (HMI) – an instrument onboard NASA’s Solar Dynamic Observatory satellite – to track solar waves in much the way seismologists would study seismic movements beneath the surface of the Earth. Every 45 seconds for the past two years, the HMI’s Doppler radar snapped images of plasma waves moving across the sun’s surface.
By identifying patterns of sets of waves, the scientists could recognize how the solar materials move from the sun’s equator toward the poles, and how they return to the equator through the sun’s interior.
“Once we understood how long it takes the wave to pass across the exterior, we determined how fast it moves inside, and thus how deep it goes,” said Junwei Zhao, a senior research scientist at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory at Stanford, and lead author on the paper.
Although solar physicists have long hypothesized such a mechanism, at least in general terms, the new observations redefine solar currents in a few ways. First, the returning currents occur 100,000 kilometers below the surface of the sun, roughly half as deep as suspected. As such, solar materials pass through the interior and return to the equator more quickly than hypothesized.
More startling, Zhao said, is that the equator-ward flow is actually sandwiched between two “layers” of pole-ward currents, a more complicated mechanism than previously thought, and one that could help refine predictions of the sun’s activity.
“Considered together, this means that our previously held beliefs about the solar cycle are not totally accurate, and that we may need to make accommodations,” Zhao said.
For example, some computer models projected that the current solar cycle would be strong, but observations have since showed it is actually much weaker than the previous cycle. This inconsistency could be due to the previously unknown inaccuracies of the meridional circulation mechanism used in the simulations.
Improving the accuracy of simulations, Zhao said, will produce a better picture of fluctuations of the sun’s magnetic field, which can interfere with satellites and communications technology on Earth. The sun’s magnetic field resets every 11 years – the next reset will occur sometime in the next few months – and there is evidence that changes in the meridional flow can influence how the magnetic field evolves during a particular cycle.
“We want to continue monitoring variations of the meridional flow,” he said, “so that we can better predict the next solar cycle, when it will come and how active it will be.”
The report was published in the online edition of The Astrophysical Journal Letters. It was co-authored by three other researchers at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory – senior scientists Rick Bogart and Alexander Kosovichev and research associate Thomas Hartlep – as well as NASA senior scientist Tom Duvall. Phil Scherrer, a professor of physics at Stanford, is the principal investigator of the HMI project and supervised the study.
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Leif adds an excerpt from the paper in an email:
Meridional flow inside the Sun plays an important role in redistributing rotational angular momentum and transporting magnetic flux, and is crucial to our understanding of the strength and duration of sunspot cycles according to flux-transport dynamo theories. At the Sun’s surface and in its shallow interior to at least 30 Mm in depth, the meridional flow is predominantly poleward with a peak speed of approximately 20 m/s.
The poleward plasma flow transports the surface magnetic flux from low latitudes to the polar region, causing the periodic reversals of the global magnetic field, a process important to the prediction of the solar cycles. The speed and variability of the meridional flow also play an important role in determining the strength and duration of the solar cycles, and the unusually long activity minimum at the end of Solar Cycle 23 during 2007–2010 was thought to be associated with an increase of the meridional flow speed during the declining phase of the previous cycle. Therefore, an accurate determination of the meridional flow profile is crucial to our understanding and prediction of solar magnetic activities.
Although the poleward meridional flow at the solar surface and in shallow depths has been well studied, the depth and speed profile of the equatorward return flow, which is expected to exist inside the solar convection zone to meet the mass conservation, largely remains a puzzle. It is generally assumed that the return flow is located near the base of the convection zone, although no convincing evidence had been reported.
The continuous Doppler observations by the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager onboard the recently launched Solar Dynamics Observatory mission (SDO) allow us to measure and detect the long-sought equatorward flow. Our analysis, which takes into account the systematic center-to-limb effect that was recently found in the local helioseismology analysis techniques, gives a two-dimensional cross-section picture of the meridional flow inside the nearly entire solar convection zone, and reveals a double-cell circulation with the equatorward flow located near the middle of the convection zone.
Figure 1 shows the new picture suggested by the HMI data.
This new picture of the solar interior meridional circulation differs substantially from the previously widely believed picture of a single-cell circulation with the equatorward flow near the bottom of the convection zone [the Conveyor Belt Model]. Through removing a systematic center-to-limb effect that was only recently identified, our analysis corrects and improves the previous solar interior meridional flow profile given by Giles (1999) using a similar analysis procedure.
The new meridional circulation profile poses a challenge to the flux-transport dynamo models, but provides more physical constraints to these models creating a new opportunity to further understand how magnetic field is generated and how magnetic flux is transported inside the Sun. Past dynamo simulations have already demonstrated that a meridional circulation profile with multiple cells might not be able to reproduce the butterfly diagram and the phase relationship between the toroidal and poloidal fields as observed, unless the dynamo model was reconsidered. However, on the other hand, solar convection simulations have shown the possibility of multi-cell circulation with a shallow equatorward flow (e.g.,Miesch et al. 2006; Guerrero et al. 2013), demonstrating that our analysis results are reasonable.
Moreover, a recent dynamo simulation, with the double-cell meridional circulation profile incorporated, showed that the solar magnetic properties could be robustly reproduced after taking into consideration of turbulent pumping, turbulent diffusivity, and other factors (Pipin & Kosovichev 2013). All these studies, together with our observational results, suggest a rethinking of how the solar magnetic flux is generated and transported inside the Sun.
Abstract: http://iopscience.iop.org/2041-8205/774/2/L29
pdf here: http://www.leif.org/EOS/ApJL-2013-Meridional-Flow.pdf
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Kadaka: A mischaracterization of a situation is not a “different frame-of-reference,” at least in physics. You mischaracterized the sun as part of a sphere with an earth-size sphere hanging from the flat part.
Leif: I think you should have known right away that Kadaka was doing this and that he didn’t know that exterior shells don’t count.
….But on the Sun, in the example, there would be so much mass overhead, that would also exert gravitational forces, that I cannot see how it would still sum to 29 times Earth weight…
I know this one from A-levels – inside a spherical shell there is no gravity rom the shell, it all balances out. So you only have to consider the bit “below” you.
Robertv says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:17 pm
‘If fusion in the core is what powers the Sun ,coronal temperatures (1,000,000 K) should not be higher than surface temperatures (5778 K)’
So on the Sun we see no Greenhouse effect. The corona does not back radiate to the surface or would surface temperatures even be lower without the extreme hot coronal temperatures?
What do we know of the mass of the coronal layer ? Could it give enough pressure on the surface to heat it up to 5778 K
If the atmosphere can heat the surface temperature of Venus up to 740 K
ps I hope you slept well. Health first. We need people like you.
From Smoking Frog on August 30, 2013 at 2:10 am:
Strange, I was certain I was thinking of a single sphere with an intersecting plane, and was getting hung up by thinking about the amounts of mass of the sphere above and below the plane. But obviously you know better what I was thinking than I knew what I myself was thinking.
I wasn’t thinking in terms of shells, but of the intersecting plane. And yes, I didn’t know exterior shells didn’t count. If I could do the math, I would have come up with the same answers by my approach, the fundamentals were sound.
But with the simplification of a perfect sphere which can be divided into perfect spherical shells, the shell theorem does make things much nicer.
I was thinking in more general terms, when a specific simpler approach was available. But what if the object studied was not a sphere, but an ovoid? How would you proceed?
Leif, why would the disappearing sunspots and the hemispheric asymmetry happen together, as in the Maunder Minimum’s ‘large, sparse, and primarily southern hemispheric’ sunspots, and possibly as now? I’ve long been reminded I’ve longed for a van de Graff.
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Robertv says:
August 30, 2013 at 2:55 am
What do we know of the mass of the coronal layer ? Could it give enough pressure on the surface to heat it up to 5778 K
The corona is extremely tenuous and exerts very little pressure on the surface [about 1/1000 of the pressure on your ear drum during a Rock concert] so does not heat up the surface.
kim says:
August 30, 2013 at 4:34 am
Leif, why would the disappearing sunspots and the hemispheric asymmetry happen together
I think coincidence as the L&P effect may be a surface phenomenon, but don’t really know.
Just noting that the Sun is NOT cooler than normal right now.
The surface temp is about 5,778.3K versus the normal temp of 5,778.0K. We are at the top of the solar cycle and more energy is coming from the Sun than normal, not less.
It is NOT responsible for the current slight cooling trend on Earth.
Okay, there may be a little false precision in the numbers above but that is what the basic calculations would show.
Bill Illis says
It is NOT responsible for the current slight cooling trend on Earth.
Henry says
Sorry Bill, it is fact not the cooling of the sun that causes the cooling on earth.
Indeed, I predicted that the sun could be hotting up a little bit, although that is really not very much, as you seem capable of measuring.
But there is a slight re-distribution of the sun’s output, leading to an increase tin he photons with very short wavelength, leading to an increase in ozone and peroxide/nitric oxides at the TOA,
With those components’s concentration increasing TOA, more normal sunlight, especially, F-UV, is deflected now, which leads to the cooling period.
Try understanding my report on all of this, including the connection with the planetary movements.
It is really very simple.
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
HenryP says:
August 30, 2013 at 5:39 am
Try understanding my report on all of this, including the connection with the planetary movements. It is really very simple.
And all very wrong.
Dr S, a bit OT, but looks like the sun’s convective layer is ~1/3 the total radius. Small M stars have convection all the way to the center. Does that mean larger stars can eventually get so massive that the convective layer goes to zero?
Thanks, Leif; co-incidence yes, correlation yes, I guess common cause, and I can’t get van de Graff out of mind. He tickles.
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beng says:
August 30, 2013 at 7:18 am
Does that mean larger stars can eventually get so massive that the convective layer goes to zero?
Convection depends on pressure and density, i.e. indirectly on the temperature gradient. If the gradient is large, i.e. the temperature change with radius is steep, you get convection. The outer layers of a star are more opaque than the inner layers which are hotter and therefore more completely ionized [which makes them opaque].
There are basically two different fusion processes in normal stars: the proton-proton [the pp] reaction and the Carbon-Nitrogen-Oxygen [CNO] reaction [which also burns Hydrogen, using Carbon, Nitrogen, and Oxygen as catalysts]. The pp reaction dominates at lower temperature [as in the Sun and lower-mass stars] and gives you a convection zone in the outer layers [stretching all the way to the core for the lowest masses] and a radiation-dominated [no convection] core. In more massive stars, the CNO reaction [which is much more efficient than the pp reaction] dominates resulting in a core temperature far higher than for pp-stars. That favors convection, so high-mass stars have convective cores. As you can see, it can become quite complicated.
kim says:
August 30, 2013 at 7:26 am
I can’t get van de Graff out of mind. He tickles.
A van de Graff machine works because the top dome is supported by an insulator which prevents the charge from running away. In the solar plasma there is no handy insulator around…
Bart says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:42 pm
“The sun cannot be described by partial differential equations having a few [or only two as you will have it] dominant modes.”
What a silly thing to say. It is readily apparent in the data.
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Indeed. And when this was discussed some time back when Bart originally presented this , I did not see much but the usual condescension and insults from Leif.
Occam’s razor would favour a simple explanation and I think Bart’s analysis was remarkably concise.
Condescension is common from those who spend much of their time in a teaching context. Insults are a common defensive reaction.
Now I can understand why someone who has invested their whole career on a subject would feel threatened by such a simple explanation of the multitude of observed periods. Especially when Bart says it only took him half a day to do. That does not detract from the elegant simplicity of Bart’s model.
If Bart’s “hammer” cracks this particular nut, he may well have got to the kernel of the problem.
That, IMO, deserves respectful consideration rather than condescension and insults.
Leif Svalgaard says:
u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:39 pm
The deeper one goes into any gravity well, the more it “weighs” ?
“No, the weight usually goes up in the beginning, to a maximum, then declines to zero at the very center.”
I know that inside the event horrizon of a black hole nothing is or can be known but take a shot anyway. Using general relativity and not Newtonian physics, zero gravity at the theoretical singularity?
And since time slows to a stop there, would it not take infinite time for the supposed sigularity to ever form?
Sorry, singularity-spelling!!
Greg Goodman says:
August 30, 2013 at 8:29 am
Occam’s razor would favour a simple explanation and I think Bart’s analysis was remarkably concise.
Einstein once said “make it as simple as possible, but no simpler”. And Occam’s razor does not favor a simple solution, instead is says “Plurality must never be posited without necessity”, that is: do not invent new explanations when they are not necessary. Bart’s ‘beating’ explanation is one such extra and not necessary ‘explanation’.
The problem with Bart is that his ‘explanation’ is too simplistic and does not apply to the real sun, but with his extremely narrow focus he cannot see that, combined with exaggerated opinion about his ability. It is a common fallacy to favor simplicity when knowledge is lacking and you are a good example of that. There is a word for it: ‘dumbing down’.
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 8:32 am
I know that inside the event horizon of a black hole nothing is or can be known but take a shot anyway
We are getting way off topic here. Perhaps since the concepts of space and time break down, we can bypass the issue by noting that the concept of a ‘center’ also breaks down 🙂
Leif Svalgaard says:
Clarification of my question:
I know the difference between weight and gravity but the real issue would revolve around the formation of the singularity, the inherrant time dilation in such a gravity well and any non-instantaneous matter movement and distribution within the event horrizon moving towards its center (the supposed singularity). Weightless at an infinitely small and infinitely dense point, if such exists?
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 8:51 am
Weightless at an infinitely small and infinitely dense point, if such exists?
My view is that the gravity well is infinitely deep and you can never get to the ‘bottom’, but since you are in free fall you are weightless all the way, outside the horizon, crossing the horizon, and for ever after falling towards the infinitely far away singularity.
Leif Svalgaard says
“We are getting way off topic here. Perhaps since the concepts of space and time break down, we can bypass the issue by noting that the concept of a ‘center’ also breaks down :-)”
Well then, any time dilation effects within the center of a high mass star and the effects it would have upon all of the years it takes for the convections and mass and energy movements within the star?
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:01 am
Well then, any time dilation effects within the center of a high mass star …
No, because gravity is zero at the center.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 30, 2013 at 8:56 am
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 8:51 am
Weightless at an infinitely small and infinitely dense point, if such exists?
“My view is that the gravity well is infinitely deep and you can never get to the ‘bottom’, but since you are in free fall you are weightless all the way, outside the horizon, crossing the horizon, and for ever after falling towards the infinitely far away singularity.”
Very interesting and I thank you for your concept. Kind of goes away from the concept of length contaction in infinite gravity which is supposed to be same as at the speed of light. Would think possibly the opposite with instantaneous arrival, avoiding the time dilation.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:05 am
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:01 am
Well then, any time dilation effects within the center of a high mass star …
“No, because gravity is zero at the center.”
Is this per general relativity as well as Newtonian gravity?
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:06 am
Kind of goes away from the concept of length contraction in infinite gravity which is supposed to be same as at the speed of light.
Since you never get to the ‘bottom’, gravity is never infinite.
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:09 am
“No, because gravity is zero at the center.”
Is this per general relativity as well as Newtonian gravity?
General relativity only deviates from Newton when gravity is high and since gravity falls to zero approaching the center, I would say that the shell-theorem also holds in general relativity. There is an ongoing discussion of GR in ‘Extended Bodies’. You can get a feeling for it by visiting http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.0543 but now I think we are way off, off, off topic with little return for the effort expended.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:10 am
Jim G says:
August 30, 2013 at 9:06 am
Kind of goes away from the concept of length contraction in infinite gravity which is supposed to be same as at the speed of light.
“Since you never get to the ‘bottom’, gravity is never infinite.”
Length contraction and time dilation are supposed to occur all along the way just increasing as velocity and/or gravity increase. Time has been proven to be slower as one moves away from the very minor gravity well of the Earth and increase as one goes deeper into the well. I am not sure about proofs of length contractions under similar circumstances.