Our resident solar expert, Dr. Leif Svalgaard, sends word of this new discovery.
Stanford solar scientists solve one of the sun’s mysteries
The sun’s magnetic field can play havoc with communications technology. Stanford scientists have now described one of the underlying processes that help form the magnetic field, which could help scientists predict its behavior.
By Bjorn Carey
Stanford solar scientists have solved one of the few remaining fundamental mysteries of how the sun works.
The mechanism, known as meridional flow, works something like a conveyor belt. Magnetic plasma migrates north to south on the sun’s surface, from the equator to the poles, and then cycles into the sun’s interior on its way back to the equator.
The rate and depth beneath the surface of the sun at which this process occurs is critical for predicting the sun’s magnetic and flare activity, but has remained largely unknown until now.
The solar scientists used the Stanford-operated Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager (HMI) – an instrument onboard NASA’s Solar Dynamic Observatory satellite – to track solar waves in much the way seismologists would study seismic movements beneath the surface of the Earth. Every 45 seconds for the past two years, the HMI’s Doppler radar snapped images of plasma waves moving across the sun’s surface.
By identifying patterns of sets of waves, the scientists could recognize how the solar materials move from the sun’s equator toward the poles, and how they return to the equator through the sun’s interior.
“Once we understood how long it takes the wave to pass across the exterior, we determined how fast it moves inside, and thus how deep it goes,” said Junwei Zhao, a senior research scientist at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory at Stanford, and lead author on the paper.
Although solar physicists have long hypothesized such a mechanism, at least in general terms, the new observations redefine solar currents in a few ways. First, the returning currents occur 100,000 kilometers below the surface of the sun, roughly half as deep as suspected. As such, solar materials pass through the interior and return to the equator more quickly than hypothesized.
More startling, Zhao said, is that the equator-ward flow is actually sandwiched between two “layers” of pole-ward currents, a more complicated mechanism than previously thought, and one that could help refine predictions of the sun’s activity.
“Considered together, this means that our previously held beliefs about the solar cycle are not totally accurate, and that we may need to make accommodations,” Zhao said.
For example, some computer models projected that the current solar cycle would be strong, but observations have since showed it is actually much weaker than the previous cycle. This inconsistency could be due to the previously unknown inaccuracies of the meridional circulation mechanism used in the simulations.
Improving the accuracy of simulations, Zhao said, will produce a better picture of fluctuations of the sun’s magnetic field, which can interfere with satellites and communications technology on Earth. The sun’s magnetic field resets every 11 years – the next reset will occur sometime in the next few months – and there is evidence that changes in the meridional flow can influence how the magnetic field evolves during a particular cycle.
“We want to continue monitoring variations of the meridional flow,” he said, “so that we can better predict the next solar cycle, when it will come and how active it will be.”
The report was published in the online edition of The Astrophysical Journal Letters. It was co-authored by three other researchers at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory – senior scientists Rick Bogart and Alexander Kosovichev and research associate Thomas Hartlep – as well as NASA senior scientist Tom Duvall. Phil Scherrer, a professor of physics at Stanford, is the principal investigator of the HMI project and supervised the study.
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Leif adds an excerpt from the paper in an email:
Meridional flow inside the Sun plays an important role in redistributing rotational angular momentum and transporting magnetic flux, and is crucial to our understanding of the strength and duration of sunspot cycles according to flux-transport dynamo theories. At the Sun’s surface and in its shallow interior to at least 30 Mm in depth, the meridional flow is predominantly poleward with a peak speed of approximately 20 m/s.
The poleward plasma flow transports the surface magnetic flux from low latitudes to the polar region, causing the periodic reversals of the global magnetic field, a process important to the prediction of the solar cycles. The speed and variability of the meridional flow also play an important role in determining the strength and duration of the solar cycles, and the unusually long activity minimum at the end of Solar Cycle 23 during 2007–2010 was thought to be associated with an increase of the meridional flow speed during the declining phase of the previous cycle. Therefore, an accurate determination of the meridional flow profile is crucial to our understanding and prediction of solar magnetic activities.
Although the poleward meridional flow at the solar surface and in shallow depths has been well studied, the depth and speed profile of the equatorward return flow, which is expected to exist inside the solar convection zone to meet the mass conservation, largely remains a puzzle. It is generally assumed that the return flow is located near the base of the convection zone, although no convincing evidence had been reported.
The continuous Doppler observations by the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager onboard the recently launched Solar Dynamics Observatory mission (SDO) allow us to measure and detect the long-sought equatorward flow. Our analysis, which takes into account the systematic center-to-limb effect that was recently found in the local helioseismology analysis techniques, gives a two-dimensional cross-section picture of the meridional flow inside the nearly entire solar convection zone, and reveals a double-cell circulation with the equatorward flow located near the middle of the convection zone.
Figure 1 shows the new picture suggested by the HMI data.
This new picture of the solar interior meridional circulation differs substantially from the previously widely believed picture of a single-cell circulation with the equatorward flow near the bottom of the convection zone [the Conveyor Belt Model]. Through removing a systematic center-to-limb effect that was only recently identified, our analysis corrects and improves the previous solar interior meridional flow profile given by Giles (1999) using a similar analysis procedure.
The new meridional circulation profile poses a challenge to the flux-transport dynamo models, but provides more physical constraints to these models creating a new opportunity to further understand how magnetic field is generated and how magnetic flux is transported inside the Sun. Past dynamo simulations have already demonstrated that a meridional circulation profile with multiple cells might not be able to reproduce the butterfly diagram and the phase relationship between the toroidal and poloidal fields as observed, unless the dynamo model was reconsidered. However, on the other hand, solar convection simulations have shown the possibility of multi-cell circulation with a shallow equatorward flow (e.g.,Miesch et al. 2006; Guerrero et al. 2013), demonstrating that our analysis results are reasonable.
Moreover, a recent dynamo simulation, with the double-cell meridional circulation profile incorporated, showed that the solar magnetic properties could be robustly reproduced after taking into consideration of turbulent pumping, turbulent diffusivity, and other factors (Pipin & Kosovichev 2013). All these studies, together with our observational results, suggest a rethinking of how the solar magnetic flux is generated and transported inside the Sun.
Abstract: http://iopscience.iop.org/2041-8205/774/2/L29
pdf here: http://www.leif.org/EOS/ApJL-2013-Meridional-Flow.pdf

u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:45 pm
“we” come here looking for answers, even explanations, but there is no need to explain.
There is always the next comment/link to absorb.
When answer is given, “you” say ‘wait a minute’…
ClimateForAll says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:44 pm
I find it difficult to imagine that these currents could be confined to a depth at 100,000 km.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
ClimateForAll says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:44 pm
It is one thing to observe fluid dynamics in a lull, and I’m sure its quite another when there is a storm brewing.
Experience shows that the polar fields ‘in the lull’ is what seems to predict the next solar cycle and that therefore the dynamics during the lull is perhaps the thing to study, but, fear not, we’ll keep a watch on this for the following several years.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:47 pm
When answer is given, “you” say ‘wait a minute’…
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That wasn’t me Leif,
I do listen, that is why I am here.
From Leif Svalgaard on August 29, 2013 at 3:23 pm:
From Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation, yup.
Conceptual issue on the part of the student. It happens.
Mass Earth: 5.972 x 10^24 kg
Mass Sun: 1.989 x 10^30 kg
Mass Sun = 333,100 Mass Earth
I’m seeing the countering masses. With a perpendicular plane through the radius at 0.009160 solar radii from the center, the mass below minus the mass above would yield 29 Earth masses, if we were using point masses on the radius. But with a number so small, they’re basically hemispheres, so it’s a reasonable simplification.
I see that as soon as I barely move outward from the center, the difference quickly grows and so does my weight. Very soon I’d be at 500 times my Earth weight!
I can see stating a sphere the size of Earth that’s 29 times as dense would yield 29 times the weight, having 29 times the mass. But on the Sun, in the example, there would be so much mass overhead, that would also exert gravitational forces, that I cannot see how it would still sum to 29 times Earth weight.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:42 pm
“The sun cannot be described by partial differential equations having a few [or only two as you will have it] dominant modes.”
What a silly thing to say. It is readily apparent in the data.
Leif ! Leif !
I’m not saying I don’t agree. I’m saying that looking at one slice of time doesn’t necessarily mean that a thing could be considered constant.
Just because these meridonal flows are now at about 100,000km, doesn’t mean that it will remain at 100,000km later.
I’m also willing to bet that the amount of plasma that flows along those currents are not constant as well. I imagine that that bottlenecks occur, creating greater volumes of plasma along those flows and lesser volumes elsewhere. Thus creating variability along meridonal lines.
Nandy discribed this, but you know this.
You’re not still holding a grudge are you?
You know I love you man, even if you may have blinders on.
It’s one of the things I respect about you !
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:09 pm
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Kinda what I was thinking, Leif didn’t seem to want to play my game.
Not that I blame him.
Now I’m really confused 🙂
The deeper one goes into any gravity well, the more it “weighs” ?
kadaka, you are right to question the weight question near the center of the sun. I just checked a few figures first, and here’s my stab.
At the surface you weight let’s say 29x more than on Earth. Ok, I accept that without calc’ing it. But if the sun was all of the same density, from the surface to center, the gravity and your weight would linearly decrease exactly all of the way down. Weightless at the center. But the sun is not of the same density vertically so that linearality would be warped toward the inversed square curve and there we don’t (or I don’t) have the density profile to figure it even if if wanted to, and I don’t right now. So could you end up 29x heavier also at one Earth radius from the center… seems doubtful to me too. Wait, that is unless Leifs 29x density *at that distance from the sun’s center* was correct, then he’s right, all shells above you are meaningless, they all cancel. Inside any spherical shell you are weightless everywhere and we can imagine a hundred shells above of varying density but they can all be discarded when calc’ing the gravity deep inside.
I stopped on Leif statement about that myself, did some work on that very question years ago. That would be an unusual density profile but maybe that is due to the gaseous state. Hmm.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:54 pm
I check the site from time to time and have even posted a few comments here and there. But, this is among the uglier comment threads I’ve seen. Makes me glad I don’t usually follow the comment threads. I do like the reference pages though.
wayne says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:56 pm
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I like your explanation.
It seems it might also give rise to free-floating gobs of magma in the earth’s interior ?
Kinda like spinning a hard boiled egg vs a raw egg.
From u.k.(us) on August 29, 2013 at 5:39 pm:
In the classical treatment of all masses as dimensionless points, which greatly simplifies the math, sure, the closer you get to the point the more you weigh. Force of gravity is calculated from the inverse of the square of the distance, so halve the distance and quadruple the force.
Here’s an intro to Newton’s Universal Law of Gravitation (aka Law of Universal Gravitation, go figure). Bit simple, you can always try Wikipedia.
(Yes, this is classical physics, not the relativity-invoking stuff.)
But when it’s not a point mass, as when starting on the surface of a sphere and moving to the center, it gets messier. There is mass above and below, the competing gravitational forces cancel out. Your weight goes down. By the time you hit the center of mass, it all cancels out, you cease having weight.
For Earth, the upper crustal stuff is much less dense than the stuff below. So as you drop down past the surface, your weight will slightly increase as you get closer to the higher-density stuff below. But soon your weight will be dropping as you continue traveling to the center.
With the Earth’s different layers of different densities and thicknesses, with density as a function of depth, and layers of changing composition, finding weight (or total force of gravity) on Earth from surface to center is an interesting math exercise, much integration, a computed numerical solution needed.
That big ball of plasma should be much easier to figure out.
“Weight,” however, at the center of the sun (or near the center of the sun) is an entertaining theoretical topic , but it is the combination of pressure + temperature + time-at-temperature-and-pressure that MUST be high enough to cause fusion.
And, is a mere 29x gravity enough for that?
Distracting also, is the “total” effect of the planets on the entire sun: While that may be, or may not be, a cause or influence on any thing out at earth’s average orbit, all that is needed to influence circulation out on the edge of the photosphere is not “moving the sun” but moving the filaments and moving, circulating loops of plasma and gasses now “balanced” in near-space vacuums as the chaotically twist and spin. Moving the entire sun is not needed, indeed, the “rest” of the sun could not “move” if the effect is based on the average relative motion changes between loops and currents and the deeper, static (not-moving) core.
From u.k.(us) on August 29, 2013 at 6:18 pm:
Hell no. Too much pressure compressing what’s there. Depending where you’re looking, the pressure is enough to compress liquids to solids, but there’s enough temperature at the center to liquefy what pressure made solid.
Everything is held together as close to a solid mass as it gets. Anything that’s technically liquid, sure ain’t like water, more like thicker than the thickest asphalt you’ve ever known existed.
So no free-floating magma gobs. I’m sorry, I know it’d make for good sci fi, but still, no.
Say what? In both hemispheres, north to south? To the “poles”? How does that work, again?
How high is the stack of books?
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 29, 2013 at 7:12 pm
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I meant the gobs that are free-floating near the center of the earth in zero gravity, being tugged on by the moon/sun/or other planetary forces.
Why else volcanoes ?
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I see that as soon as I barely move outward from the center, the difference quickly grows and so does my weight. Very soon I’d be at 500 times my Earth weight!
In fact, if you are 10 Earth radii out you’d be at 200 times your weight on Earth. The thing is that density does not decrease very fast with distance [as long as you deep within the Sun], but the mass increases with the cube of distance, divided by the square of the distance to get the weight, so ten times further out your weight is 290 times Earth weight, which must be decreased a bit [about to 200x] because the density does decrease a bit.
But on the Sun, in the example, there would be so much mass overhead, that would also exert gravitational forces, that I cannot see how it would still sum to 29 times Earth
The mass overhead doesn’t matter. Newton proved that.
Bart says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm
What a silly thing to say. It is readily apparent in the data.
This is where your incompetence shows. Live with it. Often, one cannot transfer competence nilly-willy from field to field. You are a victim of that, but don’t know it [in good D&K style]
ClimateForAll says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:26 pm
You’re not still holding a grudge are you?
I never hold grudges. If needed, I get even right away 🙂
u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:39 pm
The deeper one goes into any gravity well, the more it “weighs” ?
No, the weight usually goes up in the beginning, to a maximum, then declines to zero at the very center.
wayne says:
August 29, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Wait, that is unless Leifs 29x density *at that distance from the sun’s center* was correct, then he’s right, all shells above you are meaningless, they all cancel.
The density is correct. The Sun’s radius is 110 times the Earth’s, so within the first 1/110th of the Sun the density does not vary significantly, so I used the central density.
RACookPE1978 says:
August 29, 2013 at 6:36 pm
And, is a mere 29x gravity enough for that?
What is important is the pressure and THAT depends on the weight of all the mass overhead.
Brian H says:
August 29, 2013 at 7:17 pm
In both hemispheres, north to south? To the “poles”? How does that work, again?
In both hemispheres to the pole in that hemisphere. See the movie at the beginning of the posting.
u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 7:32 pm
I meant the gobs that are free-floating near the center of the earth in zero gravity
The Earth has a SOLID inner core, so no free-floating gobs.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 7:49 pm
u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 7:32 pm
I meant the gobs that are free-floating near the center of the earth in zero gravity
The Earth has a SOLID inner core, so no free-floating gobs.
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Not even some sort of plasticized solid ?, the Titanic sank after hitting ice which we know can flow.
u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Not even some sort of plasticized solid ?
A very stiff solid under enormous pressure.
I said on August 29, 2013 at 5:09 pm:
That is an error. It may be the net gravitational effect of 29 Earth masses as the difference, but that is not that many actual masses difference.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 8:04 pm
“A very stiff solid under enormous pressure.”
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The kind of pressure that can make rocks do this ?
http://letslearngeology.com/website/amazing-folds-pennsylvania/
Where does the pressure come from ?
u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 8:25 pm
The kind of pressure that can make rocks do this ?
The inner core is a crystal and does not flow.
Where does the pressure come from ?
From the weight of 6370000 meters of rock and iron
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 8:33 pm
“The inner core is a crystal and does not flow.”
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Yep, it seems to be our current understanding of it :
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/05/crystals-earth-core/