Our resident solar expert, Dr. Leif Svalgaard, sends word of this new discovery.
Stanford solar scientists solve one of the sun’s mysteries
The sun’s magnetic field can play havoc with communications technology. Stanford scientists have now described one of the underlying processes that help form the magnetic field, which could help scientists predict its behavior.
By Bjorn Carey
Stanford solar scientists have solved one of the few remaining fundamental mysteries of how the sun works.
The mechanism, known as meridional flow, works something like a conveyor belt. Magnetic plasma migrates north to south on the sun’s surface, from the equator to the poles, and then cycles into the sun’s interior on its way back to the equator.
The rate and depth beneath the surface of the sun at which this process occurs is critical for predicting the sun’s magnetic and flare activity, but has remained largely unknown until now.
The solar scientists used the Stanford-operated Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager (HMI) – an instrument onboard NASA’s Solar Dynamic Observatory satellite – to track solar waves in much the way seismologists would study seismic movements beneath the surface of the Earth. Every 45 seconds for the past two years, the HMI’s Doppler radar snapped images of plasma waves moving across the sun’s surface.
By identifying patterns of sets of waves, the scientists could recognize how the solar materials move from the sun’s equator toward the poles, and how they return to the equator through the sun’s interior.
“Once we understood how long it takes the wave to pass across the exterior, we determined how fast it moves inside, and thus how deep it goes,” said Junwei Zhao, a senior research scientist at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory at Stanford, and lead author on the paper.
Although solar physicists have long hypothesized such a mechanism, at least in general terms, the new observations redefine solar currents in a few ways. First, the returning currents occur 100,000 kilometers below the surface of the sun, roughly half as deep as suspected. As such, solar materials pass through the interior and return to the equator more quickly than hypothesized.
More startling, Zhao said, is that the equator-ward flow is actually sandwiched between two “layers” of pole-ward currents, a more complicated mechanism than previously thought, and one that could help refine predictions of the sun’s activity.
“Considered together, this means that our previously held beliefs about the solar cycle are not totally accurate, and that we may need to make accommodations,” Zhao said.
For example, some computer models projected that the current solar cycle would be strong, but observations have since showed it is actually much weaker than the previous cycle. This inconsistency could be due to the previously unknown inaccuracies of the meridional circulation mechanism used in the simulations.
Improving the accuracy of simulations, Zhao said, will produce a better picture of fluctuations of the sun’s magnetic field, which can interfere with satellites and communications technology on Earth. The sun’s magnetic field resets every 11 years – the next reset will occur sometime in the next few months – and there is evidence that changes in the meridional flow can influence how the magnetic field evolves during a particular cycle.
“We want to continue monitoring variations of the meridional flow,” he said, “so that we can better predict the next solar cycle, when it will come and how active it will be.”
The report was published in the online edition of The Astrophysical Journal Letters. It was co-authored by three other researchers at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory – senior scientists Rick Bogart and Alexander Kosovichev and research associate Thomas Hartlep – as well as NASA senior scientist Tom Duvall. Phil Scherrer, a professor of physics at Stanford, is the principal investigator of the HMI project and supervised the study.
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Leif adds an excerpt from the paper in an email:
Meridional flow inside the Sun plays an important role in redistributing rotational angular momentum and transporting magnetic flux, and is crucial to our understanding of the strength and duration of sunspot cycles according to flux-transport dynamo theories. At the Sun’s surface and in its shallow interior to at least 30 Mm in depth, the meridional flow is predominantly poleward with a peak speed of approximately 20 m/s.
The poleward plasma flow transports the surface magnetic flux from low latitudes to the polar region, causing the periodic reversals of the global magnetic field, a process important to the prediction of the solar cycles. The speed and variability of the meridional flow also play an important role in determining the strength and duration of the solar cycles, and the unusually long activity minimum at the end of Solar Cycle 23 during 2007–2010 was thought to be associated with an increase of the meridional flow speed during the declining phase of the previous cycle. Therefore, an accurate determination of the meridional flow profile is crucial to our understanding and prediction of solar magnetic activities.
Although the poleward meridional flow at the solar surface and in shallow depths has been well studied, the depth and speed profile of the equatorward return flow, which is expected to exist inside the solar convection zone to meet the mass conservation, largely remains a puzzle. It is generally assumed that the return flow is located near the base of the convection zone, although no convincing evidence had been reported.
The continuous Doppler observations by the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager onboard the recently launched Solar Dynamics Observatory mission (SDO) allow us to measure and detect the long-sought equatorward flow. Our analysis, which takes into account the systematic center-to-limb effect that was recently found in the local helioseismology analysis techniques, gives a two-dimensional cross-section picture of the meridional flow inside the nearly entire solar convection zone, and reveals a double-cell circulation with the equatorward flow located near the middle of the convection zone.
Figure 1 shows the new picture suggested by the HMI data.
This new picture of the solar interior meridional circulation differs substantially from the previously widely believed picture of a single-cell circulation with the equatorward flow near the bottom of the convection zone [the Conveyor Belt Model]. Through removing a systematic center-to-limb effect that was only recently identified, our analysis corrects and improves the previous solar interior meridional flow profile given by Giles (1999) using a similar analysis procedure.
The new meridional circulation profile poses a challenge to the flux-transport dynamo models, but provides more physical constraints to these models creating a new opportunity to further understand how magnetic field is generated and how magnetic flux is transported inside the Sun. Past dynamo simulations have already demonstrated that a meridional circulation profile with multiple cells might not be able to reproduce the butterfly diagram and the phase relationship between the toroidal and poloidal fields as observed, unless the dynamo model was reconsidered. However, on the other hand, solar convection simulations have shown the possibility of multi-cell circulation with a shallow equatorward flow (e.g.,Miesch et al. 2006; Guerrero et al. 2013), demonstrating that our analysis results are reasonable.
Moreover, a recent dynamo simulation, with the double-cell meridional circulation profile incorporated, showed that the solar magnetic properties could be robustly reproduced after taking into consideration of turbulent pumping, turbulent diffusivity, and other factors (Pipin & Kosovichev 2013). All these studies, together with our observational results, suggest a rethinking of how the solar magnetic flux is generated and transported inside the Sun.
Abstract: http://iopscience.iop.org/2041-8205/774/2/L29
pdf here: http://www.leif.org/EOS/ApJL-2013-Meridional-Flow.pdf
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Jim G says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Understood. Sorry for “stooping to your level” in my reply but it is so difficult not to.
You have to stoop low to reach some bottom dwellers.
Leif Svalgaard said on August 29, 2013 at 2:28 pm:
Wait a minute. As you go beneath the surface, the mass above you provides a countering gravitational force to the mass below. As is said about descending into the Earth, at first your weight will increase as you get closer to the higher-density material below, but only for a proportionally short distance, then your weight will decrease. At the center, you will weigh nothing.
Radius of Sun: 695,500 km (Wikipedia)
Radius of Earth: 6,371 km (Wikipedia)
At a distance of only 0.009160 solar radii from the center of mass, you’d still weigh 29 times what you would on the Earth’s surface?
When you stated on the solar “surface” (one solar radius) you’d weigh 27 times Earth weight?
That’d make for a quite different depth vs weight graph for the Sun than for the Earth.
Katherine says:
August 29, 2013 at 10:18 am
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They’re validating their results, which are supposedly based on observational results, with simulations?! Like “our interpretation of the readings must be correct because someone already modeled something similar”? Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
Science inherently depends upon “models.” The entire effort of science is to develop understandings of natural processes that are “complex enough” to offer understanding of how a given process interacts with other natural systems (to yield predictions of the behaviour of the systems under study). Occam’s Razor asks that such explanations (models) be no more complex than necessary. The problem in climate science is not “computer models,” but rather the scientific explanations upon which the models are built. The science is not “complex enough” to be useful.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:08 pm
In pseudo-science there are no ‘ifs’ or ‘nuts’, so you fit right in.
Interesting typo there. ‘buts’ it should be. ‘nuts’ there are many of, to wit…
If fusion in the core is what powers the Sun and this energy is radiated in all directions with the same strength the double-cell meridional circulation structure would automatically imply that the surface of the sun should be hotter at the poles and maybe at the equator for these are the only places where there is no deviation of the energy coming from the center of the star.
If fusion in the core is what powers the Sun ,coronal temperatures (1,000,000 K) should not be higher than surface temperatures (5778 K)
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Wait a minute. …
If you took the Earth and made it have 29 times more massive, you weight would increase 29 times: g = GM/R^2 [make M 29 times larger]
The density near the center of the Sun is 29 times that of the Earth, so the mass of that volume centered on the center with the same radius as the Earth would be 29 times larger than that of the Earth, hence your weight would increase 29 times. I feel a bit silly having to explain this, but there you have it.
So, can we assume that the long solar minimum, and the low intensity of this solar cycle indicate that something may be changing inside the Sun itself, to affect the flows? (I know –probably no one knows). I haven’t read the report yet, but I intend to this evening (if the report is free).
True, but your statement there is no exchange of angular momentum between the planets and the sun was what I responded to and it is by itself not correct.
I agree the spin-orbit coupling idea is clearly incorrect, for the reason I gave: Solar system angular momentum is the sum of orbital angular momentum for all the bodies plus angular momentum from the spin of the bodies around their own axes. Since the sum of the orbital angular momenta (?) of the sun+planets balances out precisely, it follows that the spin contributions must also balance out precisely to maintain a constant angular momentum for the solar system. Since almost all the mass is in the Sun, it means the solar spin angular momentum must be constant.
Robertv says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:17 pm
these are the only places where there is no deviation of the energy coming from the center of the star.
The meridional circulation [years] is too slow to make any significant difference [it takes only a couple of weeks for the energy to bubble up though the convection zone], but there probably is a small temperature difference.
If fusion in the core is what powers the Sun ,coronal temperatures (1,000,000 K) should not be higher than surface temperatures (5778 K)
No, as the heating of the corona is due to completely different processes: local explosions and the temperature in an explosions is usually much higher than its surroundings. But you miss the point:
fusion generates neutrinos of different energies and amounts. We can calculate [because we know the atomic physics involved – we measure that in the laboratory] that, and compare to what we actually observe on the Earth, and the amounts agree with the calculations [after allowance for the (also measured) neutrino oscillations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation ]
Carsten Arnholm says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:24 pm
True, but your statement there is no exchange of angular momentum between the planets and the sun was what I responded to and it is by itself not correct.
also true, but you have to take it in the context of the angular momentum ‘theory’ which posits that solar rotation [or circulation within the Sun] is changed by the planets’ influence on the sun’s orbital angular momentum and hence solar activity.
Yes, that is exactly what I addressed in my previous post.
Carsten Arnholm says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Yes, that is exactly what I addressed in my previous post.
so now the angular momentum guys should be satisfied that they are wrong. I expect Salvatore to concede any moment now.
Well said, that entertainment is tedious, pandering as it does to the lowest common denominator. Education is challenging, challenging our worldview Weltanschauung.
richardscourtney says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:31 pm
“He has a right to be offended by the trolling which is preventing discussion of his article and the paper which his article explains.”
No, that’s really not it. The only reason so much space has been wasted (and, I have tried to keep my OT commentary as brief as possible) is that Leif feels a need to squash any and all comments with which he either disagrees or does not understand. If he just left the comments to stand on their own, that’s all that would have happened – they would just have sat there to be considered or disregarded by others, and Leif could have focused on what he presumably wanted to focus on.
Leif has a very narrow focus. He may be brilliant within that focus, but his bombast when he strays outside of it rather dims any view of it. My problem is, when he is so badly misinformed on topics I do know quite a bit about, how do I determine where his expertise ends and the bombast begins?
Believe nothing that one reads or hears without verifying it oneself unless it Weltanschauung congruent.
Bart says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:54 pm
My problem is, when he is so badly misinformed on topics I do know quite a bit about, how do I determine where his expertise ends and the bombast begins?
The thing you know quite a bit about is like a hammer. If the only tool [your extremely narrow focus] you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The sun is not an oscillator in the ‘hammer’-world view. The processes that govern the sun are multi-faceted and various and contingent on many random events and cannot be described a simple differential equation.
I take offence to the ‘bombast’ bit. I do my utmost to provide answers that are as scientifically accurate as I can make them. No bombast there. When I see a ‘hammer’ misused on ‘something I do know quite a bit about’ I try to correct the misconception, but you just will not learn [like several of the other merry gang around here], and eventually sinks to the level of insults [which I may occasionally pay back in the same coin to keep up the entertainment level].
rgbatduke says:
August 29, 2013 at 11:32 am
….so that the northbound and southbound expresses cross at some angle across the defect plane. There’s a source of serious turbulence right there, especially when one has to factor in magnetohydrodynamics and this motion occurs in a magnetic field.
I presume you mean that this would occur uniformly around particular (internal) circumference.
If not so, then you may have solved another known ‘unknown’, which you may or may not be aware of; i.e. the sun exhibits pronounced magnetic bulge, which slowly (over period of number of cycles) drifts along heliocentric longitude, as shown in this illustration:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFC7.htm
I see the usual suspects are here.
Leif enters the fray and the body count starts to rise.
Take no prisoners Leif !
ClimateForAll says: August 29, 2013 at 4:21 pm “Leif enters the fray and the body count starts to rise. Take no prisoners Leif !”
You whack ’em, we’ll stack ’em. They make good cover.
vukcevic says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:18 pm
the sun exhibits pronounced magnetic bulge, which slowly (over period of number of cycles) drifts along heliocentric longitude
that is an artifact of the definition of heliographic longitude, which is based on the rotation period determined by Carrington as a sort of average of his observations. This period has no physical significance. A more correct statement would be that the artificial Carrington longitude drifts with respect to the ‘true’ [average] rotation period of the sun.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm
I really do not want to continue this conversation. But, I am going to leave one parting message.
“The processes that govern the sun are multi-faceted and various and contingent on many random events and cannot be described a simple differential equation.”
This is trivially untrue from the data alone. In fact, it is very common to solve complicated partial differential equations, whether randomly or deterministically driven, using modal expansion. Generally, some modes tend to be dominant.
“I take offense to the ‘bombast’ bit.”
Chill out. It’s not like I called you incompetent or anything. Try to deal with it in a constructive manner.
ClimateForAll says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Doug Huffman says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Just out of curiosity, how do Leif’s boots taste?
Bart says:
August 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm
This is trivially untrue from the data alone. In fact, it is very common to solve complicated partial differential equations, whether randomly or deterministically driven, using modal expansion. Generally, some modes tend to be dominant.
This is where your trivially false hammer view comes in; the sun cannot be described by partial differential equations having a few [or only two as you will have it] dominant modes. In this assumption you show indeed incompetence.
On another note though, while this paper does somewhat give a greater understanding of meridonal flows and flux transportation, I find it difficult to imagine that these currents could be confined to a depth at 100,000 km.
The images taken from the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager only shows us what the Sun is doing within those flows during a period of low heliospheric activity.
I would like to see how these currents operate during a period of higher solar activity.
It is one thing to observe fluid dynamics in a lull, and I’m sure its quite another when there is a storm brewing.
On a side note, before any of you try to claim who was first at solar predictions, I have but one thing to say…..
Long Live Timo !
lol
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:23 pm
” I feel a bit silly having to explain this, but there you have it.”
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“we” come here looking for answers, even explanations, but there is no need to explain.
There is always the next comment/link to absorb.