A new understanding of the solar dynamo published

Our resident solar expert, Dr. Leif Svalgaard, sends word of this new discovery.

Stanford solar scientists solve one of the sun’s mysteries

The sun’s magnetic field can play havoc with communications technology. Stanford scientists have now described one of the underlying processes that help form the magnetic field, which could help scientists predict its behavior.

By Bjorn Carey

NASA SDO/HMI
The sun’s double-cell meridional circulation structure is shown as streamlines in this diagram based on research at Stanford’s Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory.

Stanford solar scientists have solved one of the few remaining fundamental mysteries of how the sun works.  

The mechanism, known as meridional flow, works something like a conveyor belt. Magnetic plasma migrates north to south on the sun’s surface, from the equator to the poles, and then cycles into the sun’s interior on its way back to the equator.

The rate and depth beneath the surface of the sun at which this process occurs is critical for predicting the sun’s magnetic and flare activity, but has remained largely unknown until now.

The solar scientists used the Stanford-operated Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager (HMI) – an instrument onboard NASA’s Solar Dynamic Observatory satellite – to track solar waves in much the way seismologists would study seismic movements beneath the surface of the Earth. Every 45 seconds for the past two years, the HMI’s Doppler radar snapped images of plasma waves moving across the sun’s surface.

By identifying patterns of sets of waves, the scientists could recognize how the solar materials move from the sun’s equator toward the poles, and how they return to the equator through the sun’s interior.

“Once we understood how long it takes the wave to pass across the exterior, we determined how fast it moves inside, and thus how deep it goes,” said Junwei Zhao, a senior research scientist at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory at Stanford, and lead author on the paper.

Although solar physicists have long hypothesized such a mechanism, at least in general terms, the new observations redefine solar currents in a few ways. First, the returning currents occur 100,000 kilometers below the surface of the sun, roughly half as deep as suspected. As such, solar materials pass through the interior and return to the equator more quickly than hypothesized.

More startling, Zhao said, is that the equator-ward flow is actually sandwiched between two “layers” of pole-ward currents, a more complicated mechanism than previously thought, and one that could help refine predictions of the sun’s activity.

“Considered together, this means that our previously held beliefs about the solar cycle are not totally accurate, and that we may need to make accommodations,” Zhao said.

For example, some computer models projected that the current solar cycle would be strong, but observations have since showed it is actually much weaker than the previous cycle. This inconsistency could be due to the previously unknown inaccuracies of the meridional circulation mechanism used in the simulations.

Improving the accuracy of simulations, Zhao said, will produce a better picture of fluctuations of the sun’s magnetic field, which can interfere with satellites and communications technology on Earth. The sun’s magnetic field resets every 11 years – the next reset will occur sometime in the next few months – and there is evidence that changes in the meridional flow can influence how the magnetic field evolves during a particular cycle.

“We want to continue monitoring variations of the meridional flow,” he said, “so that we can better predict the next solar cycle, when it will come and how active it will be.”

The report was published in the online edition of The Astrophysical Journal Letters. It was co-authored by three other researchers at the Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory – senior scientists Rick Bogart and Alexander Kosovichev and research associate Thomas Hartlep – as well as NASA senior scientist Tom Duvall. Phil Scherrer, a professor of physics at Stanford, is the principal investigator of the HMI project and supervised the study.

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Leif adds an excerpt from the paper in an email:

Meridional flow inside the Sun plays an important role in redistributing rotational angular momentum and transporting magnetic flux, and is crucial to our understanding of the strength and duration of sunspot cycles according to flux-transport dynamo theories. At the Sun’s surface and in its shallow interior to at least 30 Mm in depth, the meridional flow is predominantly poleward with a peak speed of approximately 20 m/s.

The poleward plasma flow transports the surface magnetic flux from low latitudes to the polar region, causing the periodic reversals of the global magnetic field, a process important to the prediction of the solar cycles. The speed and variability of the meridional flow also play an important role in determining the strength and duration of the solar cycles, and the unusually long activity minimum at the end of Solar Cycle 23 during 2007–2010 was thought to be associated with an increase of the meridional flow speed during the declining phase of the previous cycle. Therefore, an accurate determination of the meridional flow profile is crucial to our understanding and prediction of solar magnetic activities.

Although the poleward meridional flow at the solar surface and in shallow depths has been well studied, the depth and speed profile of the equatorward return flow, which is expected to exist inside the solar convection zone to meet the mass conservation, largely remains a puzzle. It is generally assumed that the return flow is located near the base of the convection zone, although no convincing evidence had been reported. 

The continuous Doppler observations by the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager onboard the recently launched Solar Dynamics Observatory mission (SDO) allow us to measure and detect the long-sought equatorward flow. Our analysis, which takes into account the systematic center-to-limb effect that was recently found in the local helioseismology analysis techniques, gives a two-dimensional cross-section picture of the meridional flow inside the nearly entire solar convection zone, and reveals a double-cell circulation with the equatorward flow located near the middle of the convection zone.

Figure 1 shows the new picture suggested by the HMI data.

solar_meridontal_fig1

This new picture of the solar interior meridional circulation differs substantially from the previously widely believed picture of a single-cell circulation with the equatorward flow near the bottom of the convection zone [the Conveyor Belt Model]. Through removing a systematic center-to-limb effect that was only recently identified, our analysis corrects and improves the previous solar interior meridional flow profile given by Giles (1999) using a similar analysis procedure.

The new meridional circulation profile poses a challenge to the flux-transport dynamo models, but provides more physical constraints to these models creating a new opportunity to further understand how magnetic field is generated and how magnetic flux is transported inside the Sun. Past dynamo simulations have already demonstrated that a meridional circulation profile with multiple cells might not be able to reproduce the butterfly diagram and the phase relationship between the toroidal and poloidal fields as observed, unless the dynamo model was reconsidered. However, on the other hand, solar convection simulations have shown the possibility of multi-cell circulation with a shallow equatorward flow (e.g.,Miesch et al. 2006; Guerrero et al. 2013), demonstrating that our analysis results are reasonable.

Moreover, a recent dynamo simulation, with the double-cell meridional circulation profile incorporated, showed that the solar magnetic properties could be robustly reproduced after taking into consideration of turbulent pumping, turbulent diffusivity, and other factors (Pipin & Kosovichev 2013). All these studies, together with our observational results, suggest a rethinking of how the solar magnetic flux is generated and transported inside the Sun.

Abstract: http://iopscience.iop.org/2041-8205/774/2/L29

pdf here: http://www.leif.org/EOS/ApJL-2013-Meridional-Flow.pdf

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Bart
August 29, 2013 1:55 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 1:39 pm
“A part of the D&K syndrome is that you don’t even know it.”
Precisely.

David
August 29, 2013 1:57 pm

I really want to read Leif’s comments, but am really annoined by the condescension. Am I the only one?

Carsten Arnholm
August 29, 2013 1:58 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 11:33 am
Strictly speaking it is not the molecules that migrate [as the interior out to 0.7 of the radius is convectively stable – i.e. does not move in the radial direction – like the Earth’s stratosphere]. The energy is carried by photons, that are constantly absorbed and new ones emitted [some of them back in the direction of the center].

A solar ‘greenhouse effect’ eh? No wonder the Sun is so hot 🙂

August 29, 2013 2:00 pm

Bart says:
August 29, 2013 at 1:55 pm
“A part of the D&K syndrome is that you don’t even know it.”
Precisely.

Including your denial of your incompetence. In any event you are not bringing anything to the table in this thread. Perhaps you should refrain from embarrassing yourself any further.

Latitude
August 29, 2013 2:07 pm

nope, David you’re not the only one…
…I just think of it as science by baseball bat

August 29, 2013 2:11 pm

Meridional flow inside the Sun plays an important role in redistributing rotational angular momentum and transporting magnetic flux,
Redistributing angular momentum? Would you be describing something similar to a Hadley Cell which is normally associated with atmospheric flow on a planet’s surface? So you are saying all of this occurs within the 200,000 km deep convection zone layer of the sun and does not penetrate other deeper layers? Would this shallowness also not suggest there are two layers within the convection zone itself?
Explanation of atmospheric circulation: http://sparce.evac.ou.edu/q_and_a/air_circulation.htm

August 29, 2013 2:11 pm

David says:
August 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm
I really want to read Leif’s comments, but am really annoyed by the condescension. Am I the only one?
No, there is the usual band of peddlers of nonsense [vuk, bart, Henry, Salvatore, …] who deserves unmasking when they try to hi-jack a thread. Are you joining that club? I hope not. We could have a good science discussion about why the Stanford observations are important, how they might shape the future development of solar dynamo theory, what it might mean for future solar activity, how the measurements are made, what the uncertainties are, etc, etc, but we are constantly derailed by the whining, self-deception, self-aggrandizement, etc of a few spoilers.

August 29, 2013 2:12 pm

Leif Svalgaard vukcevic
Garbage it was and still is.
May be, may be, but in this ‘muck’ of mine there’s shiny bit of brass ,
Beats your prediction by 3 years, and foretold not only low SC24 and even lover SC25, but also what no one else did in 2003, a Grand Minimum in the late 2020s.
Neither you or Stanford can match it, stand it or accept that a true amateur could do it
Bye.

August 29, 2013 2:15 pm

dscott says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:11 pm
So you are saying all of this occurs within the 200,000 km deep convection zone layer of the sun and does not penetrate other deeper layers?
Essentially, yes. The deeper layers are stable, they don’t convect, or circulate [as far as we know].
Would this shallowness also not suggest there are two layers within the convection zone itself?
the data does suggest the presence of two layers as shown in Figure 1.

u.k.(us)
August 29, 2013 2:17 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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“If I were “standing” on the “surface” of the sun, how much would I weigh ?”
27 times as much as you would weigh on the surface of the Earth.
———————
Thanks Leif,
Now what if I was an Earth radius from the sun’s center of mass ?
How many times would it be ?
Just trying to get a feel for it 🙂

August 29, 2013 2:23 pm

vukcevic says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Beats your prediction by 3 years
More nonsense [mine is from 2004]
and foretold not only low SC24 and even lower SC25, but also what no one else did in 2003, a Grand Minimum in the late 2020s.
Schatten and Tobiska 2003 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2003SPD….34.0603S “The surprising result of these long-range predictions is a rapid decline in solar activity, starting with cycle #24. If this trend continues, we may see the Sun heading towards a “Maunder” type of solar activity minimum – an extensive period of reduced levels of solar activity”
But all of that doesn’t matter. Nobody has priority on nonsense which can be produced at any and all times.

August 29, 2013 2:26 pm

“That would indicate the presence of a electric field accelerating the plasma from 0 to to a couple of million degrees by the time it reaches the corona…”
“Leif- If there was such an electric field it would be neutralized by the plasma, so no electric field.”
The only other option you have Leif, is a magnetic field… Which doesnt do nearly the job of an electric field of accelerating ions and electrons.
How does a plasma tube work? Wheres the electric field in a plasma tube? The most energy efficient way of making a plasma is direct acceleration by electric field. You can get to GeV in inches. See wakefield accelerators.
Neutral?! atoms sprinkled among the plasma?? Hahaha…. Have you even looked at the MDI and HMI movies?? They use the “Bilderberg” model of solar atmosphere to determine WHY that neutral iron is there… Its just a model. Its doesnt really tell you why and what the iron is there.
“Iron, with its partly filled 3d subshell, has, by far, the largest number of lines all over the spectrum of a typical late-type star. This atomic property coupled to a relatively large abundance makes it a reference element for spectroscopic estimates of stellar parameters.”
“Specifically, the Fe I line is able to determine field strength, longitudinal and transverse flux four times more accurately than the Ni I line in active regions. Inclination and azimuthal angles can be recovered to ≈2° above 600 Mx cm−2 for Fe I and above 1000 Mx cm−2 for Ni I. Therefore, the Fe I line better determines the magnetic-field orientation in plage, whereas both lines provide good orientation determination in penumbrae and umbrae.
We selected the Fe I spectral line for use in HMI due to its better performance for magnetic diagnostics while not sacrificing velocity information.”
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0608124.pdf
Brant

August 29, 2013 2:28 pm

u.k.(us) says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Now what if I was an Earth radius from the sun’s center of mass ?
The sun’s center of mass is the center of the sun.
How many times would it be ?
since the density at the center is about 29 times that of the Earth’s you would weigh 29 times as much as on the Earth.

F. Ross
August 29, 2013 2:28 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 11:50 am

Salvatore Del Prete says:
August 29, 2013 at 11:42 am
Many think it is the angular mometum exerted by the planets. Count me in on this theory, and out on this latest study.


Never let observations interfere with your beliefs, …

Dr. Svalgaard,
This is king of tongue-in-cheek but, for those who believe that the angular momentum of the planets is IMPORTANT – and if the energy from the interior of the sun takes 250,000 years to reach the surface – would not those angular momentum believers have to base their theories [assertions?] on the positons of the planets as they were 250,000 years ago rather than current planetary positions?

August 29, 2013 2:31 pm

David:
re your comment at August 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm which says

I really want to read Leif’s comments, but am really annoyed by the condescension. Am I the only one?

I read WUWT threads on solar matters because I know almost nothing about them and I want to learn.
This thread is about a new paper about the solar dynamo.
I want to know about it.
Others have other ideas about the Sun, and it is reasonable for them each to state their alternative and to link to it. Hence, people (including me) who want to learn can follow-up their alternative ideas. Except for that, their only reasonable contribution to discussion of the new paper is for them to state any flaws they perceive it to have.
But that is not what has happened in this thread. Advocates of particular ideas have been promoting their ideas to the exclusion of the subject of the thread. They may not know it, but they have been trolling.
Leif took the trouble to write the above article which describes the paper about the solar dynamo such that the paper can be understood by non-experts. He has a right to be offended by the trolling which is preventing discussion of his article and the paper which his article explains.
Under the circumstances, I think Leif’s responses to the trolling have been restrained.
Richard

SMC
August 29, 2013 2:44 pm

Wow. Some ugly comments here. I hope it stops, this is a pretty interesting article.

u.k.(us)
August 29, 2013 2:44 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:28 pm
“since the density at the center is about 29 times that of the Earth’s you would weigh 29 times as much as on the Earth.”
——–
Thanks again Leif, it finally sunk in.
I’ll shut up now 🙂

August 29, 2013 2:49 pm

Brant Ra says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Wheres the electric field in a plasma tube?
It comes from an external power source. Turn of the power and see what you get.
Neutral?! atoms sprinkled among the plasma??
Its doesnt really tell you why and what the iron is there.

Spectroscopy has been a mature science for many decades. We know rather precisely how much iron there is in the sun: namely 1 iron atom per 25,000 hydrogen atoms. The iron atoms are neutral because the temperature is not high enough to ionize them. Even for Hydrogen, only one out of 10,000 atoms are ionized. The conductivity of the photosphere is like that of sea-water. Not particularly high. It is still a plasma because the length scale is so large.
F. Ross says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:28 pm
This is kind of tongue-in-cheek but, for those who believe that the angular momentum of the planets is IMPORTANT – and if the energy from the interior of the sun takes 250,000 years to reach the surface – would not those angular momentum believers have to base their theories [assertions?] on the positons of the planets as they were 250,000 years ago rather than current planetary positions?
You have to ask them, but it doesn’t really matter because there is no exchange of angular momentum between the planets and the sun

August 29, 2013 2:54 pm

SMC says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Wow. Some ugly comments here.
The ugly comments are almost always from the same handful of nasty or misled [by their own, self-perceived brilliance] people [in every solar thread]. We are used to them, they show up without fail, and make the threads somewhat entertaining, if a bit tedious.
REPLY: I agree, you can all take a lesson here. – Anthony

August 29, 2013 3:02 pm

Leif, any comment on the observations looking similar to a Hadley cell? Wouldn’t that understanding advance the models of circulation more realistically?

August 29, 2013 3:02 pm

Leif Svalgaard says: August 29, 2013 at 2:23 pm
…………
Here is full Abstract from Ken Schatten’s paper (since your link failed)
Abstract
Long-range (few years to decades) solar activity prediction techniques vary greatly in their methods. They range from examining planetary orbits, to spectral analyses (e.g. Fourier, wavelet and spectral analyses), to artificial intelligence methods, to simply using general statistical techniques. Rather than concentrate on statistical/mathematical/numerical methods, we discuss a class of methods which appears to have a “physical basis.” Not only does it have a physical basis, but this basis is rooted in both “basic” physics (dynamo theory), but also solar physics (Babcock dynamo theory). The class we discuss is referred to as “precursor methods,” originally developed by Ohl, Brown and Williams and others, using geomagnetic observations.
My colleagues and I have developed some understanding for how these methods work and have expanded the prediction methods using “solar dynamo precursor” methods, notably a “SODA” index (SOlar Dynamo Amplitude). These methods are now based upon an understanding of the Sun’s dynamo processes- to explain a connection between how the Sun’s fields are generated and how the Sun broadcasts its future activity levels to Earth. This has led to better monitoring of the Sun’s dynamo fields and is leading to more accurate prediction techniques. Related to the Sun’s polar and toroidal magnetic fields, we explain how these methods work, past predictions, the current cycle, and predictions of future of solar activity levels for the next few solar cycles.
The surprising result of these long-range predictions is a rapid decline in solar activity, starting with cycle #24. If this trend continues, we may see the Sun heading towards a “Maunder” type of solar activity minimum – an extensive period of reduced levels of solar activity. For the solar physicists, who enjoy studying solar activity, we hope this isn’t so, but for NASA, which must place and maintain satellites in low earth orbit (LEO), it may help with reboost problems. Space debris, and other aspects of objects in LEO will also be affected.

There is qualification “If this trend continues,…..” which may or may not, hedging the bet …
In my case there is no “If” it accurately plots the solar activity evolution path (so far).

Jim G
August 29, 2013 3:02 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 11:22 am
Jim G says:
August 29, 2013 at 11:19 am
I was merely asking you to clarify your comment, the condescension was unnecessary.
“Perhaps you could appreciate that my comment about ‘theory’ has applicability to other people’s use of the term [.e.g a certain Dr. L].”
Understood. Sorry for “stooping to your level” in my reply but it is so difficult not to.

Carsten Arnholm
August 29, 2013 3:07 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 29, 2013 at 2:49 pm
You have to ask them, but it doesn’t really matter because there is no exchange of angular momentum between the planets and the sun

There is as you know exchange of orbital angular momentum between the bodies of the solar system, but it balances out precisely. The angular momentum for the solar system remains constant.

August 29, 2013 3:08 pm

vukcevic says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Here is full Abstract from Ken Schatten’s paper (since your link failed)
Yoy can lay off the snide comment. Everybody knows that WordPress mangles links. All you have to do is to copy the link and paste it in another window.
There is qualification “If this trend continues,…..” which may or may not, hedging the bet …
In Science there are always qualifications.
In my case there is no “If”
In pseudo-science there are no ‘ifs’ or ‘nuts’, so you fit right in.
it accurately plots the solar activity evolution path
No, it is only curve fitting and it fails going back in time, but all that we have gone over too many times to arouse any further interest.

August 29, 2013 3:11 pm

Carsten Arnholm says:
August 29, 2013 at 3:07 pm
There is as you know exchange of orbital angular momentum between the bodies of the solar system, but it balances out precisely.
Orbital angular momentum is not the issue, which is whether there is exchange of orbital and solar rotation angular momentum, which there is not.

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