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Heh, this is from a commenter at Slashdot on Cook’s fatally flawed 97% consensus paper. While a bit harsh, it’s also funny. He responds to:
Yeah! It’s like saying that 97% of priests believe in god anyway.
by Razgorov Prikazka (1699498) on Friday May 17, 2013 @11:52AM (#43753313) says:
I agree, and it goes further than just priests! Here are some interesting factoids for you:
97% of the children believe in Santa
97% of paranoid believe they are being followed
97% of the homoeopaths believe in homoeopathy
97% of the astrologists believe in astrology
97% of the KKK think lynchmobs are a good thing
97% of the intelligent design gang are absolutely convinced that God made it all
97% of all the interviewed Zen buddists were convinced it is possible to clap with one hand
97% of the paganist movement think sandals are fashionable
97% of the physicians didnt believe in washing their hands before doing surgery
97% of the politicians think they are doing some great things
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I’ve added a few.
97% of dogs believe in hanging their noses out car windows
97% of cats believe in long naps
97% of Playboy models believe in taking all their clothes off
97% of cooks believe in cooking with heat (the rest are sushi chefs)
Readers are welcome to add to the list
I posted this
“fretslider at 21:59 PM on 18 May, 2013
97% sounds very impressive.
Yet why did the original press release say: “From the 11 994 papers, 32.6 per cent endorsed AGW, 66.4 per cent stated no position on AGW, 0.7 per cent rejected AGW and in 0.3 per cent of papers, the authors said the cause of global warming was uncertain.”
How did you get from 32.6% to 97%
Here http://www.skepticalscience.com/2013-SkS-News-Bulletin-12.html#comments
I doubt I’ll get to stay on the page, let alone get an answer…
They say 3 percent of the people use 5 to 6 percent of their brain
97 percent use 3 percent and the rest goes down the drain
I’ll never know which one I am but I’ll bet you my last dime
99 percent think we’re 3 percent 100 percent of the time
64 percent of all the world’s statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe ’em whether they’re accurate statistics or not
I don’t know what you believe but I do know there’s no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
Alexander Feht — the Soviet Union was done long before the putsch of 1991, which was just a futile attempt to avert this end. It was done as soon as people were given a choice to defend or abandon it. They made their choice based on what they knew about the reality of the Soviet Union, a.k.a. the truth, as opposed to based on what they were supposed to believe, a.k.a. the propaganda.
That does not contradict your description of the particulars in any way – I did not claim that freedom gives rise only to truthful thoughts or noble deeds, nor that those who undid the Soviet Union were squeaky-clean heroes.
“Michael Palmer says:
May 17, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Wamron, I disagree with you. The truth matters; propaganda is mighty, but not almighty. For proof, consider the Soviet empire folding like a house of cards – this did not happen for want of propaganda, and not for Ronald Reagan’s superhero powers either. It happened because people knew the truth, and when Gorbachev allowed it to be spoken, it was all over.
Our society is misguided and absurd in many ways, but it does allow us to speak the truth as we see it. Everybody who does so helps to preserve this right, and the truth to get out.”
Well I dont know where you were throughout the Cold War…in diapers probably. The USSR was destroyed purely by military pressure and the drain imposed by dozens of third party conflicts plus Afghanistan. “People knew the truth” you say. What “truth” was that? How could “truth” have anything to do with it, it was a conflict between two power-blocs, neither of which could be described as either “right” or “wrong”.Tell us please, WHAT did the Russian people do to bring down their rulers…….NOTHING…ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.They could do nothing, and you cannot name a single Soviet ordinary citizen who contributed to the collapse of the USSR, because there was none. Solzhnitsin, Sheransky, et al dont count…they were international media stars whose influence was solely upon Western nations encouraging the West to maintain its guard. Had it not been for the single minded determination of Ronald Reagan to run the USSR into industrial and financial exhaustion by immense arms spending, and Margaret Thatcher to deploy US nuclear theatre weapons against fierce local opposition, as well as sending British special forces to aid the killing of large numbers of Soviet soldiers in the field….the USSR would still exist. If you think otherwise you are living in a cuckoo land of fairy-tales.
As for speaking the truth……..you speak to each other. You have no audience and noone is listening.
“Michael Palmer says:
May 18, 2013 at 5:06 am”
While what you say is true, many former eastern German people wish for a return to the past. Main reason is they all had jobs, an income, a “path” if you like. Post Berlin wall-fall, most had to compete in a “free” market economy, and most of those didn’t like it.
Bill Clinton puffed but didn’t inhale, 97% of the time.
Why did Bill cross the road?
Because he was still stuck to the chicken…97% of the time.
Statistics. Don’t you just love ’em! Statistics prove that the average person in the UK has one breast and one testicle so it must be true.
Alexander Feht……….true but what you say only relates to the final page of a long story. Gorbachev and that alkie bloke only emerged because the Soviet oligarchy were seeking a leadership that could extricate them from decades of making preperation for war with the West the central feature of Soviet life. Reagans choice of hammering the USSR on all fronts, mainly by piling on weapons programmes the USSR could never compete with, bankrupting them in their effort to try, created the situation in which Gorbachev could emerge. The deployment of GLCMs in Berkshire UK and Pershing 2 in West Germany demonstrated that the US and its allies were still resolved to actually initiate use of nuclear weapons within theatre (leaving the CONUS out of conflict) whilst that theate took in Western Russia including Moscow. The deployment of these weapons against fierce and sustained, aggressive and determined Soviet funded local opposition groups, not just political but disruptive action, demonstrated the determination of NATO govts to press on with this aggressive stance. There is no ambiguity about this, the USSR was brought down by the cumulative effect of decades of military pressure culminating in the final push of the Reagan years.
“97% of the intelligent design gang are absolutely convinced that God made it all”
97% of Atheists are absolutely convinced that Time x Chance = Everything, including puppies, black holes and RNA transcription. The other 3% are agnostic about it. “Agnostic” comes from the Greek. The Latin equivalent is “Ignoramus.” Now it’s true that “Ignoramus” didn’t originally mean something pejorative, but it’s funny how Chance works, idn’it. 😉
I actually got an answer….
Moderator Response:
[Dikran Marsupial] This is explained in detail in a previous post here. http://www.skepticalscience.com/97-percent-consensus-cook-et-al-2013.html
“Based on our abstract ratings, we found that just over 4,000 papers expressed a position on the cause of global warming, 97.1% of which endorsed human-caused global warming. In the self-ratings, nearly 1,400 papers were rated as taking a position, 97.2% of which endorsed human-caused global warming.”
So it is 32.6% after all.
“Patrick says:
May 18, 2013 at 5:13 am
“Michael Palmer says:
May 18, 2013 at 5:06 am”
…many former eastern German people wish for a return to the past. Main reason is they all had jobs, an income, a “path” if you like. Post Berlin wall-fall, most had to compete in a “free” market economy, and most of those didn’t like it.”
Germans really hate the British. My impression is that for many its because they resent our part in liberating them from Communism whilst for most of the rest its that they resent our part in putting down the Third Reich. For many its simply the shame of having been the school-yard bully of Europe defeated and pillaged by the school-yard “weakling”.
That said, the British abroad are such arrogant assholes, who wouldnt dislike them?
97% of scientists believed in the miasma theory at one time too. They failed to recognize that correlation is not causation. Just because people became sick when the air smelled bad does not mean that bad air makes you sick. The scientists who said germs make you sick were ostracized. The miasma theory had some good because it brought about proper sanitation in cities which also reduced sickness. But nothing could change the fact that correlation is not causation. The truth eventually won and we now know that it was germs in the air and not the air itself.
There are many similarities to the miasma theory and the CAGW theory. The difference this time is that people promoting the modern day miasma theory are negatively affecting the lives of billions.
“Wamron says:
May 18, 2013 at 5:33 am
That said, the British abroad are such arrogant assholes, who wouldnt dislike them?”
Like Germans eh? Ok, I hear ya. BTW where do you think the “Angles” came from?
97.1% of humans endorse
globalwarming–in bed, on a sofa or chair, on a blanket next to the ocean or in the woods, in the back seat of a car or van.And 97.1% would approve of my editing. What’s not to like?
Wamron says:
May 18, 2013 at 5:33 am
“Germans really hate the British. My impression is that for many its because they resent our part in liberating them from Communism whilst for most of the rest its that they resent our part in putting down the Third Reich. For many its simply the shame of having been the school-yard bully of Europe defeated and pillaged by the school-yard “weakling”.
That said, the British abroad are such arrogant assholes, who wouldnt dislike them?”
I’m German and I think I found a great idiot.
97% of climate scientists say the science is settled.
97% of climate scientists say funding is required for more research.
aljazeera video quoting 97% report and interviewing Mann, Nuccitelli, Piltz,
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryamericas/2013/05/201351865032465413.html
97% of scientist claim to use the scientific method.
97% of government workers believe the deserve a raise..
Really we have put the fox in charge of the hen house.. The University created green industry believes that all is well..
They will never change their minds or back down as long as the money and fame continues to flow.. Green studies and all of its spin offs are hard wired into their curriculum..
Let’s see… 97% of politicians are just like diapers. They need changed frequently, and for the same reason.
97% of diplomacy is like saying, “Nice doggy” until you can find a rock.
97% of pessimists are really optimists in possession of the facts.
It is because light travels faster than sound that 97% of alarmists appear bright until they begin speaking.
97% of the time a Texan will get off your porch when you pay for the pizza.
97% of higher education in the Ozarks is when the school is sitting on top of the hill.
97% of triggernometry is learned with a squirrel rifle.
Anatomy is something everybody has, but 97% of the time looks much better on a gal.
How many “climate-change” scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
About 97%.
Give a woman an inch and 97% of the time she starts thinking she is a ruler.
It’s easy to get a woman to listen to you, just whisper 97% of the time.
Adam was created first to give man a chance to say something.
A woman will absolutely buy anything 97% of the time if she thinks the store is losing money.
In the Ozarks, 97% of the time dressing up means you have to put on some damn clothes.
97% of SS race scientists believed Jews are subhuman.
Converting a complex question to a sound bite is both misleading and effective.
1)Who among us disputes that human beings cause warming of our environment?
2)Who disputes that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?
3)Does anyone here disagree with the radiative physics that says increasing atmospheric CO2 will raise the effective radiating layer, which will tend to increase lower atmospheric temperatures and reduce upper atmospheric temps?
Obviously, we warm our environment. We are warm blooded animals, merely by being alive we produce heat. It’s physically impossible for us not to warm our environment to some extent. Regarding questions two and three, Anthony Watts has taken pains to publicly express his disagreement with and disdain for the Principa Scientific folk, as has Dr. Roy Spencer; arch ‘deniers’ Watts and Spencer themselves! See:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/28/a-misinterpreted-claim-about-a-nasa-press-release-co2-solar-flares-and-the-thermosphere-is-making-the-rounds/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/24/spencer-slays-with-sarcasm/
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/05/time-for-the-slayers-to-put-up-or-shut-up/
Clearly we at WUWT are part of the 97% consensus!
Wait, consensus about what exactly? THAT’S the issue. Does this consensus mean we agree we should immediately stop burning fossil fuels? Does it even mean we are mildly concerned? Do we have any sort of consensus about what warming we’ll see? Whoa, back up; do we in fact have a consensus that we will even see net warming at all? Hmm, it’s impossible to say based on the questions above, isn’t it.
So what was the point? The point was to generate a quick sound bite, an illusion to support policymaker decisions. 97% believe in AGW. The casual observer, and the vast majority of the population is this and nothing else, is far more interested in the last Chicago Bears game or the next episode of Jersey Shores than esoteric scientific questions and subtle distinctions. If you want to make a point to such an observer, it had best be both simple and brief. ‘97% believe in AGW’ is what such an observer will walk away with, and when the time comes to vote, he will assume that whatever policies are claimed to be required to fight AGW that 97% of scientists
support them.
He who frames the survey wins.
97% of those who comment on WUWT are 97% of those who comment on WUWT.
97% of those who believe in UFOs believe in aliens.
97% of those who believe in aliens believe they come from Mexico.