In Which We Kidnap Reagan, And He Wins Anyway!

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

After I got out of the Army, I became involved in the anti-war movement as well as the other main causes of the time, women’s rights and racial equality. We’d go out and do street theater, we’d march, we printed broadsides that I cringe to remember and thankfully have no copy of, we spoke before groups, we did whatever we thought might help. We would go out to protest the war and agitate for a wide range of ideals at any opportunity. During one of these protests back in 1968 some friends and I kidnapped Ronald Reagan at UCSC and held him captive for about two hours.

ucsc outdoor amphitheaterOutdoor amphitheater, University of California, Santa Cruz

Man, we were idiots. Our hearts were in the right place, but man, we were idiots, so let me be clear about this story. I would never do this again. It was disrespectful to Governor Reagan, big time stupid, criminal, and wrong. Hey, I was so dumb back then, I actually thought that Karl Marx was one of the good guys, and you can’t get much dumber than that. Today I hold that by way of Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Ho and Castro and a host of franchised Mini-Marx wholesale and retail killing enterprises around the world, Karl Marx is the one man in modern history whose ideas caused the most human death and suffering … so as you see, today I’m not the same dumb young man in my story. Still a fool, to be sure … but an old fool, not the young fool I was then.

Anyhow, that article doesn’t mention a few things, actually more than a few, so let me add to the history of the time.

WARNING: If you push the button marked “Continue reading →”, you agree that this is a story about a young man who was outsmarted by Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan at that time was the Governor of California. The Governor also sits on the Board of Regents of the University of California, with dozens of campuses. The newest of these at the time was UCSC, the University of California at Santa Cruz. And he’d come to UCSC for the annual meeting of the Board.

I tried to go to college at UCSC, I really did. I registered and paid my fees. I was commercial fishing at the time, lampara netting with an old Sicilian fisherman in a lovely old 27′ (5m) wooden Monterrey boat, for pompano and other fish. I loved the work, the fishing, the sea life, and I wanted more than just that. I wanted to study marine biology, I was fascinated by the strange creatures we’d catch at times, moonfish and ocean sturgeon and threshers sharks with huge long tails. I wanted to learn more about them, so I applied and got accepted at UCSC, and waited for the schedule of classes.

The news was nothing but bad. The Intro to Marine Biology 101 class, along with a couple of other marine classes that would have interested me, were at 8 AM. Not a problem normally … but lampara netting is done only in the darkness. So my normal schedule was, I went to work at dusk, and got off work around four or five in the morning, sometimes six, collapsed into bed exhausted, and slept ’til around noon … I could have handled a class at eleven, but eight was out of the question. I’d figured there’d be one afternoon marine biology class, but no.

So I continued to fishing until the end of the season. By then it was halfway through the semester, so after the season when I had time I went back up the hill to the lovely campus, and I officially dropped out of school, and mentally said goodbye to my dreams of hanging out on the campus with the college babes … ah, well.

Of course, I still needed money. With no fishing, I went down and I signed up with the Laborers and Hod Carriers Union. I found out that a hod was what a young strong guy uses to carry mortar to the guys laying bricks. But I never did that work. They called us up by number, you had to be in the hiring hall, longest in the hall hired first. So I sat in the hall every morning for an hour or so for about three days, and then my number was called … and they sent me right back up the hill to UCSC, to work for the crew constructing the gorgeous outdoor amphitheater built into the hillside. I was put to work digging the ditches into the hillside for logs that form the amphitheater bench seats you see in the picture above.

So there I was, laboring away on the Amphitheater, practicing my shovel moves in the hot sun on the first day, and I thought “Man, I dropped out of college three days ago, and here I am digging ditches. My beloved Dad warned me that would happen … but dang, I had no idea it would happen so fast!”

Anyhow, I still got to see the college babes on my lunch hour. And even better, now I wasn’t some immature college kid. Despite being only three days older than before, suddenly in their eyes I was mysteriously transmuted into the noble full-grown Union workingman, what better? … hey, like I said, I was young and dumb.

I do find it humorous, though, that despite the fact I never did get to attend UCSC … I helped build it.

Anyhow, I started to tell the story of when Ronald Reagan came to Santa Cruz for the meeting of the Board of Regents, and somehow I always end up on some other trail in the forest of life’s stories, there’s more forks than there are roads and I get lost easily—but regarding Reagan, there were lots of contentious issues in front of the Board of Regents at that meeting: free speech, who could speak when and where, what facilities could be used for whose meetings, would the University boycott grapes, a whole host of stuff.

A newspaper article from around then refreshes my memory of the events.

Wednesday’s protests echoed a 1968 visit to the campus by then- governor Ronald Reagan, who came to meet with UC regents. For three days, university students blocked buses, heckled speakers and held rallies to protest a decision to restrict Black Panther Eldridge Cleaver from speaking on university campuses. Protesters also demanded that the new College 7 be named in honor of Malcolm X, and that the United Farm Workers-sponsored grape boycott be respected in university dining halls.

After the Regents had met, Reagan came out from the meeting room and strode to the podium to address the assembled students, teachers, and general public. Some friends and I were sitting in the front row. I was maybe ten feet from Reagan. I remember being amazed at the amount of makeup he was wearing, although I shouldn’t have been. He’d been an actor, he knew the importance of appearances when making public appearances.

He started in speaking, and there wasn’t a sliver of good news in it as far as his listeners were concerned. As he announced decision after decision, every single one of them went against what the students wanted. And finally, at some point, he announced some really unpopular decision of the Board, I can’t remember what, but people were furious. The front couple of rows, sadly including myself, stood up and started yelling and screaming at him.

Looking back on it, I suspect that everything would have been fine if he had just stood his ground. My guess is we would have yelled, but you can only yell for so long. But he didn’t stand there. I think he was shocked when the front couple rows erupted in screams right in his face, he realized that despite the presence of some media he was unprotected and only ten feet from an outraged crowd … and he turned and ran.

He was scared, and I don’t blame him for that, in his shoes I’d likely have made the same mistake and run myself. But running from a crowd in that mood, well, that’s a tactical error. And when he turned and ran, what happened is just what you’d expect—stupidly and inexcusably, a dozen or so of us vaulted to the stage and took off in pursuit, right at his heels. We chased him down a corridor, prevented him from getting out by a side door, pressed him around into another corridor, and he went into the first open room he could find. We barricaded the door. It was the only door. We had him trapped, imprisoned, no way out. Of course, he’d locked the door as well, so we’d have to break it down, but we had no plan to do that.

In fact we had no plan at all, we were surprised as he was at this unexpected turn of events. We had the Governor of California trapped in a room, unable to get out, and we had no idea at all what to do with him or how to do it if we could figure it out.

We held him prisoner in that room at UCSC for a couple of hours, with some of my friends and I in the forefront … and here’s the crazy part. I think in a legal sense that those occurrences would absolutely qualify as the kidnapping (forcing someone to go somewhere against their will) and temporary imprisonment of a sitting California Governor … like I said, young and stupid.

How curious. Here, where I least expect it, I’m in a quandary. See, the Statute of Limitations ran out long, long ago on any illegal stuff I might have done as a young man. So I figured, I can talk about anything, ’cause nothing I did was serious, and you can’t be charged for stuff that long ago. But here, I’m saying that I was one of the “ringleaders” if you will in the commission of two serious felonies, the kidnapping and temporary imprisonment of the Governor of California. If guys with guns had done it, they’d have been thrown in the slammer immediately. Is there a statute of limitation on kidnapping, whether of the Governor or someone else?

But of course in reality, it wasn’t kidnapping, it was college students and other young eedjits making fools of ourselves, so after a couple hours the cops showed up. We were surprised they arrived that fast, the Santa Cruz cops weren’t usually that quick off the mark. They came in a flying wedge and drove us away from the door. They formed a corridor, shoulder to shoulder. Then, when all was ready, the Chancellor of UCSC walked slowly up the corridor of armed men, and knocked on the door of the room Reagan was in.

Knocked. That should have given us a clue.

After a few seconds, Reagan answered the door warmly. He looked immaculate, every hair in place. He came out, waved and smiled to the cameras. He was still wearing the thick makeup he’d put on for the speech, I was still close, I could see it. We were shouting a variety of inane contemporary slogans. He shook hands with the Chancellor solemnly, showed no surprise at the lines of police, it was as if Reagan and the Chancellor had just signed a momentous agreement and were memorializing for the photographers. He walked sedately and proudly between the walls of cops to a limousine and disappeared.

We thought we had won. We patted each other on the backs and congratulated ourselves on our dash and brilliance. But  when we got home and talked to our friends, we found out that the old man had outfoxed us completely, that instead of fame we reaped ignominy … appropriate, I suppose. Here was our mistake.

We were so busy congratulating ourselves that we forgot that there was a phone in the prisoners cell …

And seeing that phone, Ronald Reagan, the Great Communicator, the ex-radio announcer, didn’t hesitate. He picked up the phone and called up the cops, explained the situation, got them moving. Then came his first master stroke … he called up the local radio station.

He knew they’d put him on the air live, he was the Governor after all, and they did, and he put his golden tones to work. Oh, to hear his story, he was reporting from the front lines in the culture wars, he was the beleaguered hero of the common man, fighting against the crazed communist hordes besieging his door like some movie plot he’d acted in. He mixed in the War, the domino theory, the yellow peril, folksy tales, from what I heard it was a masterpiece.

Not only that, but you remember the knock on the door when they took him out?

His idea … he was in communication by phone with the leader of the cops making the assault, his master’s touch was everywhere evident in how the situation ended. He arranged to be greeted by the Chancellor’s knock, he waited a few seconds before answering the door even though I’m sure he was already standing right there when the knock came, he’d staged and scripted the handshake and every part of the departure scene for maximum effect. Brilliant, I can only bow my head in admiration. Well played, that man.

But I didn’t hear his radio talk, of course, because I was on guard in front of his cell door, lost I’m sure in monstrously self-righteous satisfaction. His audience loved it, though, that became one more part of the official Reagan legend, he turned defeat into victory. He walked out of his temporary cell like a warrior monk leaving his place of meditation before battle, perfectly coiffed, polishing his halo and buffing his nails.

And good on him, I say at this advanced stage of my youth. Although I’m not a huge fan of Reagan’s, I’ve ended up liking and respecting many things about him, and I can laugh at a masterful trick like his even when it’s played on me.

In any case, when I got concerned, I looked up the law. I found out that as I had feared, in California there’s no Statute of Limitations on kidnapping the Governor or anyone else. Kidnapping is punishable by life imprisonment, and the relevant statute reads:

799.  Prosecution for an offense punishable by death or by imprisonment in the state prison for life or for life without the possibility of parole, or for the embezzlement of public money, may be commenced at any time.

So in theory, I could still be indicted. Ah, well. I started out to tell the truth, can’t stop now, and I doubt greatly if I’ll be charged for kidnapping Reagan at this late date. And regarding the dangers, I can’t live like that. I won’t base my life on fear. The world is a wild and crazy and dangerous place, it’s true. And as I have more reason than most to know, some of the good folks out there are more than a few bubbles out of plumb. But I can’t live my life based on being scared that someone is going to come after me, official or unofficial.

I studied the martial art called Aikido off and on for some years, under a number of teachers. It’s an amazing path, after years of training I’m only a beginner. Ai-Ki-Do means the martial path (do) of harmony (ai) with “ki”, the essential energy of life.

In martial arts like Aikido, a teacher is called a “sensei”, a Japanese word meaning roughly “master”. When I studied Aikido at the Honolulu dojo, one of my senseis was an old Japanese man, in his seventies, a wonderful teacher. He said something like:

You think that because you know Aikido and your ki [energy] is strong, you can win the fight. This is wrong understanding. What if you are walking across the Golden Gate Bridge and it collapses?

What good is your ki then?

I will tell you how the Aikido master wins the fight. When the fight breaks out on Second Street, the master is walking down Ninth Street. When the Golden Gate Bridge collapses, the master is watching from the shore.

So me, I don’t hide my identity when I write, I talk about what I’ve done and the stupid mistakes I’ve made. I make no effort to conceal myself. If Old Nick wants to find me, he knows where I am. I just keep walking out in the sunshine, in plain view, with a tremendous amount of likely foolish and ultimately unjustifiable faith that I’m walking down Ninth Street …

My regards to all, and truly, kids, don’t try this at home. My best advice is never kidnap a sitting Governor of California, or any other state for that matter, it doesn’t look good on your resume … especially a Governor who is as handsome, media-savvy, persuasive, and inventive as Ronald Reagan was in his prime. Big mistake. I take my hat off to the man, I disagreed with him on many things, but he was an American through and through. And he sure bested me in Santa Cruz, where the final score was Reagan 1, … and Willis lost.

w.

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…  [© 2013] collected for Willis’s autobiography, entitled “Retire Early … And Often

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PRD

Amazing Willis! I empathize with your stories from the ‘ole country boy point of view. I am from the backwoods of Louisiana myself, but managed a decent education while living a colorful youth, and a highly varied employment record.
Your storytelling skills are exemplary.
I think you are safe – there is likely little love left for the Gipper in California. Those that do hold him dear to their hearts will laugh at your metamorphosis from a young foolish youth to a slightly wiser man. Churchill had something to say about that.

Set a beggar on a horseback…
WUWT was a great place, once upon a time.

Dodgy Geezer

…by way of Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Ho and Castro and a host of franchised Mini-Marx wholesale and retail killing enterprises around the world, Karl Marx is the one man in modern history whose ideas caused the most human death and suffering …
Measured in that way, Jesus didn’t do so badly, either….

27′ is 8m. You show 5m. Nevertheless I appreciate your work.

Galane

This incident would make a neat movie. Far more interesting than the dreck Hollywood has been spewing out lately.

wsbriggs

You’re definitely not alone in the follies of misspent youth, although as should be expected, you seem to excel there also. Well told!

Dodgy Geezer – I think you are confusing Jesus with Mohammed…

Bill Thomson

@ Dodgy Geezer
Your grasp of history and religion seems to be a little bit weak to say the least. Actually the idea that Jesus taught was “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;” I fail to see how this idea caused death and suffering.
People will use all kinds of excuses for war, including religion. You’re blaming the wrong person.
Since religion has already been brought up, I would bring it to your attention that the site policy says that that religion is not to be discussed. Most religious people seem to understand and abide by this, but some of those with no religion seem to think it is fair to take shots at religion. How about making a little more effort to abide by the site policy.
[We’re going to cut this off as soon as the queue is clear. Mod]

Gary Pearse

Willis, I suspect you are safe. Reagan most likely also advised the police to not arrest you guys – another bit of stagecraft. Otherwise, you would have been scooped up and probably, by now, would have your law degree in prison.

Mark

Yes Galane, but I wouldn’t trust Hollywood to stick to what happened, would you? I mean… have a Republican convincingly win like that? Heresy!

Dodgy Geezer says:
March 11, 2013 at 1:42
Of course there is a slight difference. Karl Marx’s followers implemented his ideas exactly as specified, which resulted in the greatest slaughter in history. Those camp followers of Jesus had to specifically contradict their man’s ideas to get a similar effect.
Presumably you can understand the difference?

I’m with you, Willis. To paraphrase David Crosby, you’ve got to let your freak flag fly.

Jimbo

Would it be kidnap if he locked the door before you barricaded it?

We had him trapped, imprisoned, no way out. Of course, he’d locked the door as well, so we’d have to break it down, but we had no plan to do that.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

But here, I’m saying that I was one of the “ringleaders” if you will in the commission of two serious felonies, the kidnapping and temporary imprisonment of the Governor of California. … Is there a statute of limitation on kidnapping, whether of the Governor or someone else?

I think you can rest easy Willis. While de jure there may be no Statute of Limitations on kidnapping, I suspect de facto the state of California stopped prosecuting people for felonies committed against Republications about 20 years ago. Just claim to be a disciple of Peter Gleick.
Great story by the way — reminds me of the stupidities of my youth. Sad to say, a significant number of my contemporaries from the day never wised up.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

err, make that “Republicans” above. I think “Republications” is a Willis-word.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

Today I hold that by way of Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Ho and Castro and a host of franchised Mini-Marx wholesale and retail killing enterprises around the world, Karl Marx is the one man in modern history whose ideas caused the most human death and suffering.

Agreed, but we may see that dismal record broken if the more extreme environmental activists achieve their goal of dismantling industrial civilization.

Willis :back in 1968….Man, we were idiots. Our hearts were in the right place, but man, we were idiots.
……I actually thought that Karl Marx was one of the good guys, and you can’t get much dumber than that.

… back in 1968…. I and many students barricaded at Belgrade University were protesting against the Tito’s Marxism we had in former Yugoslavia; what happened once he was gone, civil war, country disappeared, poverty for many.
To quote Willis ‘Our hearts were in the right place, but man, we were idiots’.

Wyguy

Dodgy Geezer says: Measured in that way, Jesus didn’t do so badly, either….
Oh, please, let’s not forget the other fanatical killer idols….
Thanks Willis for another great story.

Gary

Lost that battle, maybe, but making progress on the longer struggle. Nancy Reagan, if she’s still able to understand in her advanced age, would like this story about her beloved Ronnie. You share at least one characteristic with him, Willis. You both have an undefeated optimism about life. And you are so right about the evil dictators who fooled so many with appeals to humanitarianism while slaughtering those under their rule.

MarkW

Dodgy Geezer says:
March 11, 2013 at 1:42 am

How exactly have the ideas of Jesus caused millions of deaths?

MikeN

Can’t believe you posted that. Michael Mann and John Mashey are probably encouraging prosecution right now.

The chaos of the sixties was untutored rebellion against an entrenched enemy of humanity, which we ‘knew’ intutively, but could not clearly identify. We are suffering under a number of defects in science today only because of corrupt government funding. This same agenda driven funding controls public ‘education’ and media indoctrination. The article “Fractional Reserve Banking Begat Faux Reality” is a primer to this root cause of most evil. The 600 page book “The Creature from Jekyll Island” explains the full context. I never endorse YouTube videos, let alone 43 minutes of video, but if you want to understand the root cause of all of the lies, you must understand the Ponzi scheme banking lie, see

This is the basis for the Carbon climate forcing lie, the sustainable ‘green’ energy lie, the peak ‘fossil’ fuel lie and the lie that an unelected, one world government is going to solve ANY of these lies. Ronny and Nancy admitted that they failed the American people because they were betrayed by those in their administaration that betrayed them….think Iran-Contra and S & L Crisis. I worked for ‘developers’ at the epicenter of the S & L crisis and a great and true analysis of this manufactured crisis is “The Mafia, CIA & George Bush” by Pete Brewton. My review of this book is at Amazon. End the Kleptocracy NOW !

Wow, Willis you really caught a break there.
Obviously they didn’t cart you all off to the pokey for booking or else everyone would know the names of the Santa Cruz Seven or whatever.
If they had, the 1980’s would have certainly become bloody hell for you and the rest, particularly after the 1981 near assassination. The Secret Service really stepped up their game after that and routinely screened all manner of “threats” ahead of each POTUS movement.
I imagine that each of you would have received a painful rectal exam each time the old man returned home to California, which was very often. Ouch!

Ed Moran.

“… the most human death and suffering”? Rachel Carson surely merits (dis)honourable mention.

ed mister jones

Perhaps the Only Post-WWI President able to rouse a majority of his people out of the stupor brought on by persistent prosperity and the attendant infection by leftism. Sadly, too brief.

thelastdemocrat

Dodgy Geezer says:
March 11, 2013 at 1:42 am
…by way of Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Ho and Castro and a host of franchised Mini-Marx wholesale and retail killing enterprises around the world, Karl Marx is the one man in modern history whose ideas caused the most human death and suffering …
Measured in that way, Jesus didn’t do so badly, either….
OK, Dodgy Geezer: Back up this hate speech. Comparing Jesus to these Marxist tyrants.
Marx hated Christianity. His followers, to foster their eventual revolution, rightly perceive Christianity as a major cultural force standing in their way. As Marxist thinking has become popular in our culture, the anti-Christian hate-speech slogans have become accepted as real. That Christians are evil, dumb, stingey, backward, etc. Please quote chapter and verse to help me see how you are anywhere near accurate.
If you believe all of that Marxist propaganda, you are being used as a tool. Start studying. You are welcome to come visit us on any Sunday and see the ways we intelllectually study history, languages, and more, and the powerful force of generosity arising from our faith.

Claude Harvey

Reminded me of the words of Winston Churchill: “Any young man who is not a liberal has no heart. Any old man who is not a conservative has no brain.”

Steve Keohane

Thanks Willis, another great story. Reminds me of an incident in a small mid-western college, circa 1969. The college radio station played solely county-western music. A small band of four psycho-tropically inflicted young men, tired of the programming, on one evening replacing the disc-jokey with themselves, locked him out, and several hours of Greatful Dead music ensued thereafter. The station was locked up after several hours, and there were no repercussions, not a peep.

‘After I got out of the Army, I became involved in the anti-war movement as well as the other main causes of the time, women’s rights and racial equality.”
noble causes. ahem.

GoneWithTheWind

I sense a disconnect with reality if you believe jesus “caused” death and sufferring. At most he called for resisting those who would cause death and sufferring. Perhaps you could argue that if we never resisted the forces of evil they would be content to merely enslave us rather then kill us for daring to resist. But that hardly equates to the resisters “causing” death andsufferring.

markx

thelastdemocrat says: March 11, 2013 at 7:42 am
to Dodgy Geezer’s: March 11, 2013 at 1:42 am
“….. As Marxist thinking has become popular in our culture, the anti-Christian hate-speech slogans have become accepted as real. That Christians are evil, dumb, stingey, backward, etc. Please quote chapter and verse to help me see how you are anywhere near accurate….”
Calling strawman argument on this … Dodgy neither stated nor implied anything related to this ..
IMHO Dodgy’s point stands, as much evil had been done in the name of Christ as has been done in the name of countless other beliefs, including communism.

Hey Wildman;
How far south will you do a job? i.e. is HMB within your ‘sphere of influence’ ?
Ah yes, our foolish youthiness; I cringe whenever someone tells a story on me that I’d (blissfully) forgotten about doing…Yikes, you take the cake.
Anyway, if the weblink for this post didn’t fly, just paste this nonsense;
/watch?v=3ZnOFv72prQ
just append it to the popular touyubeDOTcom to enjoy a stirring troubadorial memorial to the fine citadel of wisdom-to-the-south … When you sing along, be sure to spel sulgs correctly.
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey put down that beer! The composer/lyricist was an Okie and always wanted to write a ‘fight song’, and UCSC was the lucky recipient of this procreative urge…
Best, RR aka AC
what is ur dang hemail? I need a smart builder guy for a special job.

Willis:
An old friend of mine locked W.A.C. (Wacky) Bennet, then the Premier of the Province of British Columbia, in a jail cell in Northern BC. They were touring the new municipal buildings and he took advantage of the situation and asked the Premier to inspect a jail cell — and promptly locked the door. He claimed his only mistake was not having a camera. He felt it would have made a great front page story as people seem to have always felt that jail is and was a natural home for politicians. After he finished his negotiations for additional funding programs he let the Premier out. The Premier never repeated the story to anyone because of the embarrasment of being caught in such a childish prank. However my friend did have to spoend a year hiding out in Mexico — he calims it was an unrelated matter. I’m not so sure.
You’re not the only criminal I have known — probably you will not be the last. I do know some ship sinking pirates as well I guess… But they seem respectable compared to you two. 😉
Cheers!

Reagan_Ha!

I think you got it correct on first analysis. I didn’t care much for him either and a look at the historical record vindicates my personal attitude. However, as one person that I pointed this out to exclaimed “But he made me feel good about my country!” So I guess with the public, that’s what it’s really all about.
Here he reminds me of the late president Bush (and I do miss the “Bush” calendars featuring the daily mucked up quotes):
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Ronald_Reagan_Myth.html
Some other interesting activity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
I also remember seeing a newspaper article at the time (can’t find a reference, sorry) that his administration held regular meetings with industry on the best ways to get around EPA pollution laws (and this after signing Superfund cleanup extension which he didn’t like but was told that congress would override him and voted for it anyway).
To see what both sides think (definitely appears a little schizophrenic on much of the legislation):
http://reagan.procon.org/#pro_con

pottereaton

Mosh says: “noble causes. ahem.”
Noble causes run amok. ahem.

OK, the Lizards’ actual version is nicer, with the oompah tuba and the drumroll between
B (drums)
A (drums)
n-a-n-a with more of a stadium feel. Probably would sound real nice in the Eschenbach (smellybucks) Ampthitheater. I can make a fair use copy on an 8-track or whatever ur truck is sporting these daze…
Can’t find a freebie on the winterwebs to link.
best,RR

Willis Eschenbach

Steven Mosher says:
March 11, 2013 at 7:59 am

‘After I got out of the Army, I became involved in the anti-war movement as well as the other main causes of the time, women’s rights and racial equality.”

noble causes. ahem.

Steven, I begin to despair. What does your post mean? It’s hard to tell, but it sure sounds like you are implying that fighting for the rights of people of color is somehow not noble.
Is that correct? Is that your meaning? If so, please have the balls to stand up and say it proud.
Your cryptic posting style, usually done with an edge and an aim to drag me down, is way past its use-by date, Steven.
w.

Willis Eschenbach

pottereaton says:
March 11, 2013 at 8:22 am

Mosh says:

“noble causes. ahem.”

Noble causes run amok. ahem.

What on earth does that mean? Is Mosher’s useless posting style contagious?
Are you saying you preferred separate drinking fountains for “Colored People”, then? What do you mean, Potter?
Far from having “run amok”, those causes are still being worked on because there’s still work to be done. Yes, we went overboard trying to get rid of things like separate but unequal schools for black people in the south and laws forbidding racial intermarriage that were prevalent in my youth … so sue me.
w.

You’ve done some amazing things, Willis, and certainly had some amazing adventures. I’m pleased that you are capturing these memories. They are too good to lose. 🙂

It’s hard to tell, but it sure sounds like you are implying that fighting for the rights of people of color is somehow not noble.

I suspect the implication is to do with how one fights for said rights. The Black Panthers, and virtually every other “social justice” group of the era, were as vile, racist and overall reprehensible as any other, regardless of their ultimate “goal”, stated or otherwise.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

After I got out of the Army, I became involved in the anti-war movement as well as the other main causes of the time, women’s rights and racial equality. … During one of these protests back in 1968 …

I realize you were operating mostly on different coasts at the time, but you didn’t happen to run into our new Secretary of State at any of these rallies, did you — perhaps throw away medals for solidarity with the oppressed masses?

NobleCauses

Perhaps Mosh is a Conservative who doesn’t believe in generosity for the downcast including things like taxpayer support for education or free family planning and then wonders why there is an explosion of poor (who support the other side) and of criminals produced by unwanted offspring.

pottereaton

Willis: slow down, my friend. I was there in 68. They burned down an abandoned science building on my college campus in 1970 and we had National Guard patrolling the campus. I had a black roommate on a campus in a small town in the mid-south that had a segregated movie theater and barbershops when I arrived there. I was anti-war also and went to the huge demonstration in Washington in 71.
My impression of Mosher’s post is that he was defending your behavior, behavior that you roundly condemned, although I could be wrong about that.
Now we could discuss whether the feminist movement was good or bad for the majority of women over the past four decades, and we might disagree, but in general, I like the idea of women playing sports and being treated fairly in the workplace, although I don’t like the idea of them in combat.
I’m also of the opinion that affirmative action has been grossly misused.
My point was that in the early days of those protest movements, there was some wretched excess. George Jackson, Huey Newton, Bill Ayers, Andrea Dworkin, Kate Millet and yes, even Willis Eschenbach and PotterEaton aka theduke.

James at 48

“Welllllll Willis … I actually wrote that script, including the part where the first student intigator started to shout me down. Not sure I ever got a chance to thank the extras for such impassioned ad hoc scene work. Soooooooo … from the great beyond, I tip my 10 gallon hat your way. ” – RWR

pottereaton

I see now that Mosher might have been referring to “noble cause corruption,” and agreeing with Willis’ characterization of himself.
As he is an old acquaintance on these blogs, I’ll let him explain himself. Apologies if I interpreted your post erroneously, Steven.

Geezer is right.
Blaming Karl Marx for what happened in Russia, in China, etc., is like blaming Jesus Christ for the burning of Giordano Bruno and for other crimes of the Church.
It is a common mistake among the pampered Californian hippies to think that the USSR, the Mao’s China and many other assorted Oriental dictatorships run by gangsters had anything to do with Marxism, other that using Marxist verbiage as a bait for useful idiots in the West.
If you are looking for Marxism at work (at failing to work?), go to Sweden, to the UK, to the same homeland of cow-pie poets, California.

G P Hanner

Never been there, but from what I read UCSC has slid way down the hill from when you were there.

FauxScienceSlayer says March 11, 2013 at 7:10 am

The article “Fractional Reserve Banking Begat Faux Reality” is a primer to this root cause of most evil. The 600 page book “The Creature from Jekyll Island”

Probably the second biggest fabrication going today courtesy of alternative-reality-view ‘filmmaker’ G. Edward Griffin; are you interested in the truth, or simply satisfied in spreading agit-prop-class material suitable for pre-high school fantasy-reading?
(Geez .. how about we see the nom de plume FauxEconomicsSlayer in action for a change?)
From rationalwiki.org/wik :

What’s wrong with the anti-Fed crankery?
While one can find many legitimate criticisms of the Fed (incompetence, cronyism, etc.), much of the opposition to the Fed comes from a basic misunderstanding of how it operates …

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FauxScienceSlayer says March 11, 2013 at 7:10 am

you must understand the Ponzi scheme banking lie, see

Ahhhh .. a “What Really Happened” (and website) fan … material written, produced by that loon (well-known con-spiracy pusher, propagandist and faked-document producer who has been ‘flushed’/banned from several above-board websites for unethical behavior) … ” Michael Redvero ” (sic) …
VERY reliable and authoritative source.
FauxScienceSlayer falling for for ‘faux’ these days? Sorta like “Skeptical Science” (SkS) isn’t it?
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