And they wonder why skeptic blogs get more traffic…

As WUWT closes in on a million comments…

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…I thought this is worth reading at The Lukewarmer’s way run by Tom Fuller: 

Worst-Thing-About-Censorship

Maybe Michael Tobis might finally be persuaded to approve Mr. Fuller’s comment, now in moderation for 3 days.

The Worst Thing About Censorship

h/t to Skiphil

 

 

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rogerknights
January 27, 2013 4:02 pm

….nine of the ten hottest years measured since 1880 have been in the last decade.

1. They haven’t been rising during the last decade, as the warmist models predicted, which suggests the climate sensitivity is less than they think.
2. In 1880 we were climbing out of the depths of the Little Ice Age, the coldest period in 10,000 years. It lasted for centuries. Naturally we’re setting “instrumental” record highs now after 140 years. We were hotter for centuries during the Medieval Warm Period and the ice caps didn’t melt or sea levels rise much then.

January 27, 2013 4:07 pm

My Sunday thesis: the RC site’s censorship strategy was the dominate role model for most of the sites we see today struggling ineffectively to neutralize valid scientific skepticism.
Further, I think RC is the primary reason for the erosion of public trust in alarming AGW activists.
John

Gail Combs
January 27, 2013 4:50 pm

_Jim says:
January 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm
… you do realize who owns a majority of stocks (issued by corporations and held by private individuals, who vote said stock) do you no not?….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And there is where you are DEAD WRONG. Stock used to be owned by individuals who voted the stock but that is no longer the case. Take for example Monsanto. Monsanto is 85% owned through mutual funds and the mutual funds vote the stock not the people who put up the cash. For example the Johnson family owns/controls Fidelity, Magellan fund and several others and therefore THEY not us vote a sizeable chunk of stock. Heck most people haven’t the foggiest idea of what stocks their money purchased.

World’s Stocks Controlled by Select Few
WASHINGTON — A recent analysis of the 2007 financial markets of 48 countries has revealed that the world’s finances are in the hands of just a few mutual funds, banks, and corporations. This is the first clear picture of the global concentration of financial power, and point out the worldwide financial system’s vulnerability as it stood on the brink of the current economic crisis.
A pair of physicists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich did a physics-based analysis of the world economy as it looked in early 2007. Stefano Battiston and James Glattfelder extracted the information from the tangled yarn that links 24,877 stocks and 106,141 shareholding entities in 48 countries, revealing what they called the “backbone” of each country’s financial market. These backbones represented the owners of 80 percent of a country’s market capital, yet consisted of remarkably few shareholders.
“You start off with these huge national networks that are really big, quite dense,” Glattfelder said. “From that you’re able to … unveil the important structure in this original big network. You then realize most of the network isn’t at all important.”
The most pared-down backbones exist in Anglo-Saxon countries, including the U.S., Australia, and the U.K. Paradoxically; these same countries are considered by economists to have the most widely-held stocks in the world, with ownership of companies tending to be spread out among many investors. But while each American company may link to many owners, Glattfelder and Battiston’s analysis found that the owners varied little from stock to stock, meaning that comparatively few hands are holding the reins of the entire market…..

As usual you have not bothered to do you homework while I have nor do you ever back up your flaming. (Hows the job at the bank going?)

Gail Combs
January 27, 2013 5:10 pm

Tucci78 says:
January 27, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Dr. Beckmann and Harry Stubbs, two wonderful people. I spent a most memorable evening listening to Harry and Issac Asimov roast Dr. Anthony Lewis (physicist & SF author) on the occasion of his fiftieth birthday.
Harry and Tony had done nuclear experiments at White Sands. While driving away from the experimental site before the bomb blew, Harry had a tendency to pull back on the steering wheel when over taking another car since he learned to fly before learning to drive. Tony twitted him at the roasting about this quirk.

January 27, 2013 7:54 pm

What proof do we have that the other alarmist blogs hasn’t reached or surpassed the 1,000,000 comment milestone?
It’s very possible that over one million comments have been SUBMITTED – and that the 97% applies to their REJECTION rate.
Of course, we’d need raw data for that…

January 27, 2013 8:08 pm

Anthony Watts replies:
January 27, 2013 at 11:17 am
I urge readers to have a look and get your own take-away. Clearly, Mr. Feht’s take-away misses the point of the article entirely, and my position is that he’s welcome to be as upset as he wishes about it, because while Mr. Feht has historically contributed little more than complaining here, essentially a feht accompli now, Mr. Eschenbach has opened his experiences and more than a few eyes with that story, along with many others. – Anthony
Mr. Watts, I think that a cheap word play on your readers’ last names is below your dignity.
Calling for readers’ support in hunting down a person who had guts to disagree with you is also a not very dignified strategy.
It would be below my dignity to argue with your other angry and unconsidered remarks.
Suffice it to say that I have contributed to this site many times, long before ribald Mr. Eschenbach appeared as a poster here, and received positive feedback from readers, publicly as well as privately (you may recall that you yourself made one of my posts “a post of the week” a while back).

REPLY:
Fair enough, but your ongoing complaint themes about Dr. Svalgaard and Mr. Eschenbach aren’t going to result in their suspensions from WUWT, so my advice for the path forward is to concentrate on contributing to the dialog henceforth. – Anthony

January 27, 2013 8:28 pm

@henrythethird says:
January 27, 2013 at 7:54 pm
+++++
I wonder if someone there could undelete the skeptic trash /sarc, and fill their posts to get recognition of their sites…

OnDa
January 27, 2013 10:20 pm

“Yes some commenters are not approved, once we discover that the poster is using fake email addresses.”
Lies, lies, lies. You are banning people for merely disagreeing.

REPLY:
LOL! If that were true, your comment and many others wouldn’t appear.
For example this one http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/26/and-they-wonder-why-skeptic-blogs-get-more-traffic/#comment-1210151 – Anthony

Latimer Alder
January 27, 2013 10:39 pm

@alexander feht
I think you need to read the rubric at the top of Anthony’s blog. It says
‘Commentary on puzzling things in life……’
That you don’t find some articles to your taste is your prerogative…but you really don’t have much of a case to slag him off just for publishing them.
Grow a pair.

January 28, 2013 12:02 am

Latimer Alder says:
January 27, 2013 at 10:39 pm
@alexander feht
I think…

You don’t, Latimer. You don’t even understand, what it is about.
Do you know, why WUWT is a great site? Because Anthony Watts, while he doesn’t allow others to make imputations against his good name, has it in himself to admit when he was unfair.
Learn a gentleman’s English. Maybe then people would start listening to you.

Latimer Alder
January 28, 2013 12:05 am

@alexander feht
Whatever.

January 28, 2013 2:22 am

Watts up with blocking my comment directing you to a report from 1981 showing that repubs knew climate change was a serious threat? Your censorship proves who you really are. Come on Anthony, keep the dialog open, at the very least. Let your readers see the whole sorry mess. http://Www.buckyworld.me
REPLY:Well for one thing, it is off-topic, though I doubt given your history here you will truly understand what that means. I agree, your website is a whole sorry mess, and your whole purpose here is to drum up traffic for it while you refuse to engage in debate or answer questions. Your lack of respect for people here, the continual calling people ‘deniers” etc is noted, and that’s what gets you in trouble and why your comments trying to get people to visit your blog aren’t welcome here.
Imagine if we started using “dumb blonde” labels about you. Perhaps now you’ll see why your use of the term “deniers” is not welcome – Anthony

January 28, 2013 3:10 am

At 5:10 PM on 27 January, Gail Combs offered me the unsolicited pleasure of realizing that I’m not alone in my personal remembrances of Petr Beckmann (a merrily enraged refugee from the Soviet occupation of his homeland, and adamant opponent of socialist tyranny in the marketplace as well as in the sciences) and Hal Clement (whom I will always remember in the Atari-era ’80s taking inordinate joy in showing me his first efforts to “paint” with the ghodawful computer graphics programs available to those of us with home computers running 8-bit CPU chips).
Ms. Combs had written of:

…listening to Harry [Stubbs – Hall Clement] and Issac Asimov roast Dr. Anthony Lewis (physicist & SF author) on the occasion of his fiftieth birthday.
Harry and Tony had done nuclear experiments at White Sands. While driving away from the experimental site before the bomb blew, Harry had a tendency to pull back on the steering wheel when over taking another car since he learned to fly before learning to drive. Tony twitted him at the roasting about this quirk.

Well, in all fairness to Col. Stubbs, the wheel of an automobile is rather inordinately like unto the control yoke of a Consolidated B-24 bomb truck, and I understood full well that wrestling those Davis-wing’d monstrosities from the pilot’s seat gave one habits on the controls better suited for the operation of bulldozers than sports cars.

Latimer Alder
January 28, 2013 3:16 am

ravasio
The link in your referenced article goes to a ‘unknown file type’ not to a .pdf, so I cannot open it to check what it says.
But – as a general observation – I imagine that a big entity like the US government gets many hundreds of reports a year to consider. A remark on page 35 of just one of those doesn’t of itself constitute prima facie evidence of a grave crime if it was ignored or overlooked.

January 28, 2013 3:35 am

At 2:22 AM on 28 January, Pat Ravasio gripes:

Watts up with blocking my comment directing you to a report from 1981 showing that repubs knew climate change was a serious threat? Your censorship proves who you really are. Come on Anthony, keep the dialog open, at the very least. Let your readers see the whole sorry mess.

Not that its possible to conceive of this Web site’s operators (or most fervent frequenters) being uncritical partisans of the Rotarian Socialist right wing in our permanently incumbent “bipartisan” Boot-On-Your-Neck Party, any proof that the Red Faction clowns had given the “climate change” hysteria a pass “from 1981” is Mr. Ravasio inadvertently providing his political enemies a kind of praise rather than damnation.
Those dictating Republican policy on the preposterous demonization of anthropogenic CO2 in the ’80s had dismissed this allegedly “serious threat” as yet another letie-luzer “Liberal” lunkhead scheme to destroy industrial civilization for the political advantage of our National Socialist Democrat American Party (NSDAP) – and also, of course, to enrich themselves at public expense.
Doubtless their motivations were nakedly political (“Never give them bastids an inch!”), but talk about the proverbial stopped clock showing the correct time of day more or less by accident….
Mr. Ravasio, haven’t you yet realized that the attitude toward the political party which maintains the utterly corrupt and thoroughly gelded “Suntan John” as its leader in the U.S. House of Representatives is, among many of us skeptical of your beloved “We’re All Gonna Die!” climate catastrophism (emphasis on the “man-made” aspect), essentially that of H.L. Mencken?

“In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican.”

mpainter
January 28, 2013 3:53 am

Pat Ravasio says: January 28, 2013 at 2:22 am
Your censorship proves who you really are. Come on Anthony, keep the dialog open, at the very least.
================================
Pat Ravasio thinks that she can use this blog to drum up business for her own website by posting such drive-by spitballs. She never engages in dialogue but simply pastes spitballs like this on the thread.
So Pat, clean up your act and quit using the d-word, respond to comments and criticisms, and take your complaints of censorship where they belong: sks, RC, Tamino, Connelley and crew.

mpainter
January 28, 2013 3:59 am

And Pat,
In 1981 people like you were wetting their britches over global cooling. But you do not know that, do you?

Snotrocket
January 28, 2013 5:54 am

ONE Million comments! And all approved! That’s one heck of a work load.
If you had to average 5 minutes per comment (I’ve read many hundreds in the years I’ve been coming here and many take much longer than five minutes to read, mark, learn and inwardly digest), you are talking of an elapsed times of nearly ten years!
Just shows what a great job the mods do here. Well done Anthony.
[Nah. You give us too much credit. Most of us mods can read a whole comment in 5 – 20 seconds … 8<) Mod]
[But doing the spell check takes a bit longer. Mod]

January 28, 2013 8:41 am

[Nah. You give us too much credit. Most of us mods can read a whole comment in 5 – 20 seconds … 8<) Mod]
[But doing the spell check takes a bit longer. Mod]

Dear Moderators,
We, who are on this journey through the wastelands of the intentional scientific biases supporting alarming AGW by CO2, respect your fair light ways.
I dedicate these lines to thee,

“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

Take care.
John

Skiphil
January 28, 2013 9:20 am

A valuable summary document with some of my own skeptical questions and concerns, which exhibits for me why I find the open minded probing at sites like WUWT more helpful than the rabid beat-downs preferred by the RC type echo chambers:
http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2013/01/Ridley-Ten-Tests.pdf
(h/t Bishop Hill)

Chris R.
January 28, 2013 10:20 am

Congratulations to Anthony and his merry crew of volunteer moderators.
While some posters may have an axe to grind on moderation, etc., the
large majority appreciate the quite light moderation here. My impression
has always been that if you have something to contribute and express
yourself in a civil way, your comments will get through.

Gail Combs
January 28, 2013 1:23 pm

Tucci78 says:
January 28, 2013 at 3:10 am
At 5:10 PM on 27 January, Gail Combs offered me the unsolicited pleasure of realizing that I’m not alone in my personal remembrances of Petr Beckmann…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We still have a stack of ‘Pink Newsletters’ stashed in a filing cabinet. Great stuff. I loved Petr Beckmann’s challenging Ralph Nader? to a televised match where Petr would match him gram for gram with Petr eating plutonium and Nader eating caffeine.
We lost a really great man when he died. I am glad Art Robinson could take over but it is not the same.

Reply to  Gail Combs
January 28, 2013 2:06 pm

At 1:23 PM on 28 January, Gail Combs had written:

We still have a stack of ‘Pink Newsletters’ stashed in a filing cabinet. Great stuff. I loved Petr Beckmann’s challenging Ralph Nader to a televised match where Petr would match him gram for gram with Petr eating plutonium and Nader eating caffeine.
We lost a really great man when he died. I am glad Art Robinson could take over but it is not the same.

Dr. Robinson is a nice guy, and articulate as the dickens, but Dr. Beckmann was one of Jonas Ingram‘s “tough sons of bitches,” and even in his final days he refused to be whipped by the disease that was killing him.
No matter how many times he got knocked down, he didn’t quit trying to get up again.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing. (Robert A. Heinlein)

iskoob
January 28, 2013 7:12 pm

Matarese
you credit me with too much guile!
I thought tucci98 and Rich Matarese were 2 entities.
I even dared to believe we had been given, in tucci, a new Matarese (the biggest compliment I could think of).
All this from your writing style.
Now I can’t decide whether to feel:
– sad because there’s one less angel of death walking among us than I thought
– proud of this spectacular validation of the stability, reliability and (let’s face it) overall exquisite correctness of my taste in literature
– relieved that I don’t have to envy you for being a Wunderkind on top of everything else. (I’m two years older than I thought you were when I thought your screen name included your birth year.)

Reply to  iskoob
January 28, 2013 8:43 pm

At 7:12 PM on 28 January, iskoob had written that he’d

…thought tucci98 and Rich Matarese were 2 entities.
I even dared to believe we had been given, in tucci, a new Matarese (the biggest compliment I could think of).
All this from your writing style.

Yeah, well, that’s not so comforting when you recall how they got Ted Kaczynski.
Er, if any of las warmistas suddenly start spontaneously detonating or anything curious along that line, you guys will remember that my ethnic group doesn’t do things like that. Much. Our style is more traditionally to keep on patting such people on the back until small holes appear between our fingers.
No women, no kids – and “Cui è surdu, orbu, e tace, va continuare cent’anni im pace.”
Though we do have to acknowledge that there ““Ain’t nobody as peaceful as a dead trouble-maker,” don’t we? Ah, the nuances….

Now I can’t decide whether to feel:
– sad because there’s one less angel of death walking among us than I thought
– proud of this spectacular validation of the stability, reliability and (let’s face it) overall exquisite correctness of my taste in literature
– relieved that I don’t have to envy you for being a Wunderkind on top of everything else. (I’m two years older than I thought you were when I thought your screen name included your birth year.)

Console yourself. The only Wunder in my life comes most mornings when I awaken to find that la sposa has again cocooned herself in all the bedclothes, leaving me in speculation on life and death to the effect that “If I’m in hell, how come its so cold? And if I’m in heaven, how come I gotta pee?”

iskoob
Reply to  Tucci78
January 29, 2013 1:05 am

Dr Matarese,
I wish I’d had time to keep up with your writings. University takes up too much of it.
(I bet that’s enough of a clue for you: what am I studying?)
So excuse my ignorance: are you still wasting your mind in the Swiss Patent Office of family practice? Healing the sick when you should be slaying the undead?
In which case, give up your day job! Please. The times need you.
Just last year the larynx of one of my guardian angels was silenced (via the oesophagus).
I was sure the deep, dirty wound his passing left in the world of letters would never heal.
But YOU know something even he never managed to grasp.
How science works!
And now, in these moronic tempora, when science is daily raped and traduced in every land, you selfishly indulge the profession of helping people who come to your rooms, asking for help?
For shame! Lol.
🙂
By the way, if you know much about sport, then you understand
two things (one of them useless, to be sure) that even Hitch never did.
He was quite open about the twin lacunae of which he was aware.
Interestingly, he always forgot to admit “…and Spanish.”
But if only you’d written los warmistas, Dr Matarese, you’d be ahead of my dead archangel by a further (trivial, to be sure) point!
Dr Matarese, if you’re still haemorrhaging hours a day in a GP clinic, I implore you: be a good Samaritan, stop Helping People, and just write. As destiny demands.
(Here’s an amusing phenomenon that’s puzzled you too, I bet: when I decided to take up the double-snaked staff myself, a few years ago, I could never get over how much my friends admired the ideal of “helping people for a living.” The economic premises alone are mind-boggling! I finally just asked them for the brutal truth: “Are you saying, all these years I’ve wasted in IT… I’ve been hurting people for a living?” Lol.)
Just write.

iskoob
January 29, 2013 1:16 am

@tucci78
As I mentioned,
“I wish I’d had time to keep up with your writings.”
As I didn’t mention, the point: should I just google the 2 screen names you use, as far as I know?
Any other way to find them?

David
January 29, 2013 5:55 am

I’m with MattS – just tryin’ to get you to the million..!
Hell – I might just make another visit…