Tom Nelson reports on some disturbed thinking – From an epic rant by warmist David Appell:
“Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes? I think so”
Quark Soup by David Appell: The CharlesH Problem
But CharlesH, this idiot, this — I’m sorry — this fucking idiot who sits home and probably watches America’s [sic] Idol in the evening, who has probably never read a science paper in his life, really, truly, somehow honestly thinks he knows better than all the professional, study-deep-into-the-night, sweat-the-data, devote-their-lives scientists about all this.
What can you possibly say about such a person? This person — CharlesH — now threatens civilization.
Think about that — ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah threatens the well-being of the entire human race.
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I don’t know. Donald Brown, the philosopher at Penn State who has been writing about the ethics of climate change for well over a decade — I interviewed him in the early 2000s — thinks they are perhaps guilty of crimes against humanity.
Are they? Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes?
I think so. You can simply claim that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas.
I think they’re crimes will be obvious in about a decade.
When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change. I had doubts about that, but maybe.
…It’s obvious (barely) they’re not smart enough to be so evil…
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None of them has much of a science background, if any. I mean, please.
And CharlesH, who clearly knows no science either.
But on the shoulders of these idiots, fools, and incoherent minds our future seems to turn, if only just a bit, if only in the blogosphere. And they are probably proud of this, somehow.
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But them, still, I think: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 5 molecules per 10,000 trap more heat than 4 per 10,000, or even three.
On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.
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I’ll be flying home tomorrow…
I just hope I can get my WiFi to work again. It always seems like a crapshoot, and frankly, I don’t even know if I remember the password.
Apparently Mr. Appell doesn’t note that I’ve stated that CO2 is a greenhouse gas on national television and said it has an effect.
There’s also a transcript here
I think the real crime Mr. Appell thinks I’m guilty of is existing, having an opinion, and daring to write about it.
If anyone is a neighbor of David Appell, this might be fun:
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It’s the same mind set in a different context as that currently driving mobs to storm embassies. There’s no rational engagement with religious fervor.
That man needs a hug 🙂
I’m with bikermailman: Godwin’s Law precludes comment. My parents’ generation died in their millions fighting this sort of thing, and seventy years later its acolytes are taking over the world under their blanket of Newspeak and disinformation. And education has been replaced with indoctrination, so (almost) nobody notices.
“But of course, we have always been at war with climate change.”
Perhaps if David was so concerned about the planet he should have walked.
😉
Interestingly enough, there are quite a few comments on that site castigating Appell for his comments.
“A.Scott says:
September 20, 2012 at 11:57 pm”
As long as he had some sort of carbon (CO2) capture device fitted as humans typically exhale CO2 at rates of ~40,000ppm/v even at rest.
“argumentum ad verecundiam”
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Is that “Get off my porch”?
[snip . . ad homs are frowned upon here, even when they are funny and accurate . . mod]
If you ever need security advice Anthony I’d be more than happy to do a little pro bono work.
Mann’s view is interesting. [snip . . ad homs are frowned upon here . . mod] Most of the rest are just talkers. When the history of this is finally written, we may very well find he was a busy bee indeed.
If only we had listened to the experts. Here is a comment from David Appell’s Quark Soup which should make people tread very carefully before accusing people of crimes against humanity.
A crime might well have happened in the past had governments acted in the face of ‘evidence’ of an impending ice age. The key is to resist the panickers.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/01/time-magazine-and-global-warming/#comment-563520
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi.
charlesH is amazing! Well done sir and you should come round here soon.
http://davidappell.blogspot.ca/2012/09/an-idea-unique-to-climate-change.html
rk says:
September 20, 2012 at 9:35 pm
“i must say these are some interesting people. I followed Donald Brown to see what he has written. Honestly I tired of it a bit after reading an entry on a group blog…and the entry was from yet another philosophy professor having been submitted by Prof Brown:
“there is little doubt about the overall picture). We must compel our political agents to make clear, in the starkest moral terms, why they are making, or failing to make, the decisions they make. This should motivate a movement at least as ferocious as the Occupy Wallstreet movement. “”
Well, actually there WAS, 10,000 greenshirt youth carted to Copenhagen 2009, at COP15, with all the ugly pictures you expect from unruly uniformed hordes of brainwashed kids. These NGO kids are controlled by the EU comission via financial support for the NGOs directly from the European taxpayer (up to 70% of the income of a worthy NGO). They came there to raise hell, encouraged by the EU comission and its ugly spokesperson Connie Heedegard to whip resistance into submission.
Didn’t help. And the EU is too weak now to pull another one like that, fighting for its own survival, inflating its currency, circling the drain of ever increasing debt, a zombie, a shadow of its former self-importance, barely able to keep the protectorates under control.
So there you have it, American college professors, your ferocious movement, it’s already been done and utterly failed, no matter how much you obamafy America – which just means emasculating it – you’lll never even approach this failed first attempt. Go sleep in parks, see if anyone cares.
Sounds like this is what the likes of Mann & Appell would like!
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Communist_use_of_psychiatric_hospitals_as_political_repression
Appell thinks you have to be smart to commit a climate crime? Stupid people can’t commit a climate crime. So Mr Appell, you’re safe.
[snip] If not for the eloquence of his outbursts I may have been more perplexed by the statements! Alas, another [snip] escapes the Asylum. Well provoked AW, please keep it up.
Col Kirk
“None of them has any science background?” They’ve actually done experiments using the scientific method. It is Mann and Appell who have no science background. On paper maybe, but what they do isn’t science per the scientific method.
View from Europe:
David Appell , if the attributed comments are correct, is a nutjob who doesn’t even begin to understand the level of intelligence and absence of fanaticism required to carry out effective scientific work. He exposes his own ignorance, bias stupidity and aggression. Such people are danger to all around them. and contribute nothing.
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Look around you. Look at your ‘leaders’. What do you see??
Intelligent people??
Honest people??
Visionaries??
People of Integrity??
I doubt it !!
The worthless, vile, rioting Marxist Hippie trash of my era now run most Western Governments with their own special brand of hypocrisy.
They rioted over VietNam, then sent in troops to any country that did not bend over for them.
They rioted over legalising ‘weed’ and now want to govern what you eat and what you smoke.
They rioted over freedom of speech, profane language, and now have the most invasive, sophisticated surveillance system in world history.
Do not be suprised with what is coming at you, these vile, worthless creatures have standards of behaviour that a decent person cannot reconcile against their own.
The western civilisation was lost on the cumpuses of our cities 40 years ago.
regards
From a discussion I had with him over at Steve Goddard’s blog, I’ve gotten the impression that Appell lacks the most basic math skills. Now I know very smart people who have similar problems with math, but they’re at least smart enough to stay away from subjects that require a minimum of math…
PBS would do the nation a favor if they presented a segment on nothing but the rants of Warmists like these and then let the public decide which side has the intellectual high ground.
The rant about stay at home American Idol watching Utah tea party types daring to challenge real scientists being guilty of climate crimes doesn’t sound particularly scientific. In fact it is somewhat less convincing than data supporting the theorem and accurate predictions based on that theorem.
Does it matter?
Hanlons razor tells us: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence .”
But in the end, the result of the [snip . . site policy . . mod] manufactured doubt campaign will be the same, regardless.
Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Sounds like he’s on the second stage of grief. Cheer up, David! Only three more to go.
Beware; I’m committing a climate crime…I’m breathing! I also enjoy eating fruit and veg.