An update to what we reported here yesterday – Science vs AGW Advocacy in North Carolina, from HamptonRoads.com:
N.C. Senate approves sea level calculation bill
The North Carolina Senate has approved a bill that ignores scientists’ warnings of rising sea levels.
Senators approved the bill on a 34-to-11 35 to 12 vote Tuesday. The measure received little fanfare and no senators spoke in opposition to the measure.
The bill now goes back to the House for a vote.
HB 819 says that only the N.C. Coastal Resources Commission can calculate how fast the sea is rising for state governmental purposes and those calculations must be based on historic trends, which are much lower than the science panel’s projections.
Full story here
UPDATE: John Droz reports that the story had the vote count wrong, I’ve corrected the text. He writes:
On 6/12/12 the NC Senate voted FOR this bill 35 to 12. The NC House will vote in the next day or so.
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What a good idea. Why didn’t someone think of that earlier.
Oh Noes!!!! they must be Anti-Science, they insist on using actual data instead of computer model projections!!!! Don’t all Real Scientists know that if the data is different than the models, you have to “adjust” the data???
(do i have to say /sarc?)
They did John, but that idea hadn’t been peer-reviewed! /sarc
Nice to see intolerance to the AGW bs trickle down to policy makers
Since one side of this debate has now become a full religion complete with priests, sacrifices, and tithes, it seems appropriate to mention that history is replete with examples of the consequences of choices. In those times several hundred years B. C. E. the wrong choice of God or king could lead to thousands of guys coming in and killing everybody with swords and spears, butchering the animals and burning the city. Now the wrong choice can lead to everybody starving to death in the dark without heat without medical care or protection from armed thugs by any kind of government. In fact, most of the thugs would be from the government.
Little choices in many places can have big consequences. I think these people made a good choice.
Will someone please ask the 11 who voted against this bill and the other critics how the requirement to use actual measurements is anti-science.
Jay Davis
Too bad Colbert and Stewart are neck deep infatuated with the AGW nonsense; there’s little that scam could suffer less than having their withering glance fall upon it unfavorably, especially considering their young audiences.
I believe that this may be another indication that the CAGW scheme has been exposed and has been widely acknowledged. The scam was too big to succeed. There is hope in some regions where informed voters choose their representatives. Let’s hope it can be done on a wider national level. And soon.
I went to the coast again today ( a daily walk with the dog) and could discern no sea level rise. I checked with my pal Geraint who works for the Holyhead Coastguard and he reported that there had been no SLR and none expected. I double-checked with Mike who is the Captain of the superfast ferry to Dublin and he said there were no SLR concerns either.
Is that scientific enough ? Or would you rather wait for a “peer-reviewed” paper from some baldie in Pennsylvania before taking drastic action.
The whole thing is laughable.
Congratulations to John Droz, Jr. for all of his efforts.
Canadian government chops another “climate committee” hurrah
http://www.canada.com/technology/Doomed+panel+sends+Harper+reality+check+global+warming/6774977/story.html
Reading the comments at pilotonline, one notices that many educated people believe that model output IS scientific data. Contrary to logic, actual observational historical data is regarded as non scientific and misleading.
How is it that the public has been led down this erroneous perception path? Only a massive disinformation campaign could steer so many, from what most know as “common sense”. Oh wait, that is exactly what the “climate science” industry of rent seekers has been doing for decades.
It is good to see some decision makers say “enough!” GK
Well done, John Droz, and here’s hoping your victory over irrational thought and action inspires others.
Imagine, if you will, that every state in the land along with the federal gov’t had swallowed the dire predictions of the looming ice age and passed laws and taxes based on that in 1972? Imagine how much that would have cost our economy.
Scientists were warning us. An ice age is coming. We have the calculations. We even have the historical data………. Every 30 or 40 years we should be passing laws and imposing taxes to thwart the next “scientists predict” end of the world?
Governments have a hard enough time dealing successfully with the simple things that ARE happening, and a proven track record of failing miserably with things that could.
Well f@&k my old sea boot…
Peter Crawford says:
June 13, 2012 at 6:42 am
I enjoyed your comments Peter, particularly the ‘some baldie in Pennsylvania’ quip. In a previous life I used to work with Holyhead CG very closely and would trust their word over SBiP any day.
Regards,
JS
This morning the Raleigh News and Observer did print John Droz, Jr’s reply in the “Peoples Forum”.
The North Carolina Senate has approved a bill that ignores
scientists’activists’ warnings of rising sea levels.FIFY.
@Peter Crawford
I put in the tide gauge in Dublin Port. You’re right, there is no SLR in Dublin either.
I have tried some years ago to find out from the Met Office how is it possible to tell the difference on a sea level guage whether the sea is rising or if the land is falling? Does Anthony or anyone know?
If scientists do not do the job within ethical standards they deserve to be ignored and that is what this bill is doing.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/31/a-japanese-puzzle/
Woah… did pigs start to fly already?
John Moore says:
June 13, 2012 at 7:36 am
I have tried some years ago to find out from the Met Office how is it possible to tell the difference on a sea level guage whether the sea is rising or if the land is falling? Does Anthony or anyone know?
You model it of course! 🙂
Kaboom says:
June 13, 2012 at 6:35 am
“Too bad Colbert and Stewart are neck deep infatuated with the AGW nonsense;”
It’s my impression that Stewart hasn’t drank the Kool-Aid yet:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-winston/jon-stewarts-oddly-uneduc_b_347131.html
As for Colbert’s TV persona, he mocks everything. I haven’t watched the latest video though.