From JunkScience.com LATimes cites ‘Mein Kampf’ to attack Heartland
The Los Angeles Times invokes der Führer to attack Heartland.
The Los Angeles Times editorializes:
Leaked documents from the Heartland Institute in Chicago, one of many nonprofits that spread disinformation about climate science in hopes of stalling government action to combat global warming, reveal that the organization is working on a curriculum for public schools that casts doubt on the work of climatologists worldwide. Heartland officials say one of the documents was a fake, but the curriculum plans were reportedly discussed in more than one. According to the New York Times, the curriculum would claim, among other things, that “whether humans are changing the climate is a major scientific controversy.”
That is a lie so big that, to quote from “Mein Kampf,” it would be hard for most people to believe that anyone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”…
Here’s the story link:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-climate-20120220,0,3564279.story
Now is the time for all good men (and women) to cancel their subscriptions and fire off scathing letters to the editor about this ugly and uncalled for comparision. Most textbooks are written by private companies, and I can tell you that as a former school board member they don’t give you a lot of options since the state now issues “approved” textbook lists that you are only allowed to choose from. Local teachers and school boards can easily reject any materials they don’t want. Approving materials they do want is an uphill battle.
Here’s the feedback page:
http://www.latimes.com/about/mediagroup/la-mediagroup-contactus,0,7698150.htmlstory
h/t to Steve Milloy
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“Actually, they are working on a more rigorous curriculum. But who needs honesty when you have Mein Kampf and a press.”
The LA Times circulation over the last 20 years forms an actual and severe hockey stick, pointed downward and accelerating. Not worrying about them very much….
http://www.theawl.com/2009/10/a-graphic-history-of-newspaper-circulation-over-the-last-two-decades
Well if the term “denier” is supposed to insult me, its not working.
I rather enjoy being able to wear it as a badge of honour, but truth be known this is all a bit hypocritical of them as they deny anyone having a different viewpoint.
See! More Deniers! Theyre all at it!
Deniers in denying denial. …um…thing…
Dear Heartland:
When you finish those evil lesson plans, please send all high school modules to me at once, I assure you they will be gratefully used in my classroom.
Sincerely,
A Science Teacher
Gary Meyers says:
February 20, 2012 at 9:53 am
“””Latitude says:
February 20, 2012 at 9:24 am
spread disinformation……
I supposed just stating that the science is not settled…would fall into that category
Sad truth is…as less and less people believe…..it will leave only the true nut jobs””””
Are you saying that stating “the science is not settled” is spreading disinformation?
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No Gary, I’m saying that is what the LA Times seems to be saying……………..
“spread disinformation” is the quote from the LA Times
Come on, people. Haven’t you received your copy of the 10th Edition of the Newspeak Dictionary?
Citing Hitler as a reference! Yeah what a top banana he was! At least you didn’t see him using lies and propaganda did you. What an ungrateful lot we are when you consider all he did for the planet. I notice that Wikipedia cites a psychological profile: “his primary rules were ..never allow the public to cool off”… maybe the global warming alarmists now have another cause of global warming to reference.
What appalling “journalism”. [SNIP: Maybe a joke, but a step too far. -REP]
peer-reviewed scientific journals and agree that the planet is warming…..Seven of the 10 warmest years since
I see this over and over again. Yes, the last dozen years have seen some of the warmest on record, however according to RSS, Hadcrut3, and the sea surface temperatures, there has been no change for 15 years. There is a huge difference between “is warming” and being warm.
[SNIP: Sorry, Mike, but that one is kinda inappropriate. -REP]
Honestly, I have no problems accepting the idea that humans are changing the climate. There are many examples of humans changing climate on many scales, starting with city heat islands and ending perhaps with human influence on Sahara’s continuous growth caused by exploitation of water sources and foliage.
But I also don’t remember anybody connected to Heartland ever saying that humans are not changing climate.
So all the LA Times newspaper has problems with is apparently nothing more than a quote from another newspaper.
In fact I find it rather funny.
The LA times isn’t comparing skeptics with Hitler, they’re comparing us with Jews (unwittingly of course) who were indeed an oppressed people telling the truth. Hitler falsely accused the Jews of purporting “The Big Lie”, but it was the accusation that was the lie, and the most PROGRESSIVE nation on Earth at the time bought it hook, line, and sinker. Let’s hope our republic is not as gullible as the Weimar Republic.
Here’s the relevant passage from the wikipedia article about the propaganda technique Hitler used that has become known as “The Big Lie”.
—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
A physicist says:
Well, the duty to be “Be First with the Truth” — or the lack of that same duty — is the heart of the debate, eh?
No, it is merely the premise of your assinine framing of this issue. Within that framework, the LA Times has such a duty, yet you remain silent regarding their deriliction of that duty. Instead, you continue to defame HI, currently the victims of scurrilous lies. Duty to truth is obviously not on your list of standing orders.
The LA Times states that Mann’s 1,000 year hockey stick graph has been “validated repeatedly”. In fact, it has been invalidated repeatedly, not least of all by the NAS panel that otherwise whitewashed the subject. There’s some truth for you to be first with, shoud the mood ever strike you.
The validity of Mann’s near term hockey stick is also impeached by the very proxies from which it (or the convenient parts of it, anyways- lol) is constructed. The divergence problem was hidden in the materials provided for propagandizing the public – adverse results were hidden. Do scientists have any duty to be “Be First with the Truth”, in your world?
Evidently not, else you would be busy pointing out that lack of truth in what LA Times reported. You got scientists failing the truth, and newspapers perpetuating the fraud, and faced with that you decide to derail this thread by making derogatory posts about HI, currently the victim of scurrilous lies.
Your relationship to the truth is abundantly clear.
I put these two on my office door too.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/338581/title/Carbon_dioxide_breaking_down_marine_ecosystems_
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120215143116.htm
What drivel from the LA Times. What lies, what blatant propagandising, what deep irony to quote from Mein Kampf to attack the Heartland Institute – projection at its finest!
The mainstream media make me sick. They have prostituted what used to be an honourable occupation; the ‘fourth estate’, I believe Americans call it. It’s meant to be one of the ‘checks and balances’ of a ‘free and democratic society’.
I firmly believe the corporate interests which control the vast majority of the mainstream media don’t give a damn about freedom and democracy and – this is pure speculation on my part – when they meet with their masters they probably have a good old laugh about it.
I read somewhere that 6 major global media corporations control 90% of global news coverage. I personaly do not doubt that – that’s what globalism does over time: survival of the fittest and all that.
Mind control is well developed these days. Hitler and Goebells were clearly interested in these ideas and they have been highly developed since then. Please search for Edward Bernais or watch the excellent ‘The Century of the Self’ documentary which is available online (at least in the uk).
They have hoped to use these lies about climate change and the incessant barrage of propaganda (some of it vile and beyond evil – e.g. no pressure (shock everyone) and the CO2 monster (scare children)) to further their agenda and they will not give up on it. No way.
It’s just propaganda. We know that, but most people believe it, unfortunately.
Sue them for defamation and then compare the creation of the fake protocols of the elders of zion to the fake Heartland document.
It was the irony of the LA Times – in their online article – linking to these words of Hitler from Mein Kampf which moved me to post my comment above (sorry if somebody’s already done this):
“in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation”.
Does that not sound totally like the modern day climate scam to you? It sure does to me!
Please feel free to research Project Paperclip to find out where the Nazi mind scientists went after World War II.
Fredrick Lightfoot says:
February 20, 2012 at 9:34 am
Myself when young did eagerly frequent
Doctor and Saint, and even heard great Argument
About it and About; but evermore
came out by the same Door as in I went.
(The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam)
Another one for the LA Times:
The Moving Finger writes: and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
I posted the following at the LATimes (Unfortunately, because of “too many characters” I couldn’t get the quote in with the orginal post.):
theduke at 11:32 AM February 20, 2012
It’s interesting to take a look at the Hitler quote in context, the context being that the Fuhrer in waiting was sliming the Jews for blaming Luddendorf for the German defeat in WWI.
The profound irony of the LATimes approvingly using a quote from Hitler sliming the Jews to likewise slime so-called “deniers” speaks for itself.
That the so-called “settled science” is being challenged by legions of high-ranking, established scientists around the world is not in doubt; nor is the religious fervor of those, like the people who wrote this editorial, who insist on claiming there should be no more debate. The position of the LATimes on this issue is nothing short of scientific anti-intellectualism.
theduke at 11:34 AM February 20, 2012
Hitler’s quote in context:
\\But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.
All this was inspired by the principle–which is quite true within itself–that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. . .//
I posted the following in two posts at the LA Times. Because of length limitations, I had to divide it into two posts:
theduke at 11:32 AM February 20, 2012
It’s interesting to take a look at the Hitler quote in context, the context being that the Fuhrer in waiting was sliming the Jews for blaming Luddendorf for the German defeat in WWI.
The profound irony of the LATimes approvingly using a quote from Hitler sliming the Jews to likewise slime so-called “deniers” speaks for itself.
That the so-called “settled science” is being challenged by legions of high-ranking, established scientists around the world is not in doubt; nor is the religious fervor of those, like the people who wrote this editorial, who insist on claiming there should be no more debate. The position of the LATimes on this issue is nothing short of scientific anti-intellectualism.
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theduke at 11:34 AM February 20, 2012
Hitler’s quote in context:
But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.
All this was inspired by the principle–which is quite true within itself–that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. . .
bwahahahahaha!!!
There is a reason why they are losing subscribers over the last few years.Many people are on the internet and see the disinformation and lies laced with stupid editorials.They are tired of the carp being explicated as fact and propaganda.This very blog entry is a prime example of exposing the absurdity of the LALALA Times.
Then there is the fact that with a large drop in having birds as pets in homes greatly reduces the need for birdcage lining.
LA Times I assume means Laughably Alarmist Times 🙂
I must admit though, that if you need to quote from Mein Kampf you are either mentally struggling or an intellectual freak?
As for spreading disinformation well one needs to look no further than the Fiddlestick Team and their fellow travellers on the Green Gravy Train.
pat says:
February 20, 2012 at 8:53 am
What a delusional. ignorant, piece. I suspect the outline came from Mann himself.
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Mann is a useful idiot. He doesn’t write the script and he doesn’t know there is a script.
Robert Howden says:
February 20, 2012 at 9:00 am
Did you see the picture they use for the editorial? “A section of the ice sheet covering much of Greenland is seen in this 2005 aerial photo.” I didn’t know Greenland was an ocean.
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I thought that as well. It’s been a long day so I don’t have time to go back and look but that’s exactly what I thought at the time as well; straight away I thought that.
No wonder it is so hard to get a grip on the environmentalists crowd, it’s just a hodgepodge chaotic collection of all kinds of socialist extremists and fundamentalists from right to left.
I wonder how long it will take until they start quoting Saddam, he was a socialist too after all.
I don’t find it hard to believe at all that Mein Kampf would be widely read among members of the main stream media and elitists. That would be perfectly natural for them.
I find it hilarious that one of them would slip up and quote from it. To attribute our actions to be in line with that book, while actually condemning a fraudulent document produced by a true believer; profoundly ironic. For a journalist to admit to pulling quotes from that book; very telling indeed.