This short post by Bolt really says it all:
If the sceptics’ conspiracy was real, why fake the evidence?
The problem with the great international conspiracy of climate sceptics is that it’s so small and innocent that a disappointed warmist who steals documents from the Heartland Institute finds they must fake the main one to get media attention.
Sounds a bit like their tree-ring research.
Yes, says JoNova, let’s please look at who’s funding who in the climate zoo.
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From my perspective, it looks like an act of desperation on the part of DeSmog blog:
Source: Alexa analysis
Meet the man, assistant DeSmogger Brendan De Melle, who took a whole hour to get the documents online from the time received. Speed is more important than fact checking in journo-lism I suppose.
An entire hour. No rush to judgement by this guy.
terry a says(February 17, 2012 at 9:03 am)
Non Scientist magazine is, of course, fanatically pro-AGW, which is the reason I cancelled my subscription despite having read it weekly since my schooldays.
And Bob Ward, a PR hack once described by James Delingpole as an “angry baldie attack dog”, was instrumental in getting the Royal Society to issue ever more and extreme statements on AGW, in defiance of its prescript from 1753 “never to give their opinion as a Body upon any subject either of Nature or Art, that comes before them.” (See Nullius in Verba at Dr. Curry’s blog). Truly a wrecker of science, and not surprising to see him glorying in what he still calls ‘deniergate’ in his oh-so objective article.
Would that be genuinely fake, but true?
As of late friday, Heartland has stated that only the two-page strategy memo is a fake. The remaining 100+ pages (including the IRS 990 form) are, according to Heartland,either authentic or have been tampered with. They haven’t stated anything else is fake.
I am just wondering how Richard Black at the BBC would feel if we created an entirely false document … say a letter from a mistress and published it on a website.
Obviously we would say lots of “it may not be genuine … but then add … he hasn’t denied it”.
The catastrophic AGW by CO2 cult led by the uninspiring guru/activist James Hansen is now a self-castrated pseudo-scientific fringe movement. They appear to only have one argument left to push back against the independent thinker (aka skeptic) led tide of CAGW rejection. Their last ditch argument against independent thinkers is just the old silly one about us being ‘big fossil fuel’ agents for an evil anti-scientific conspiracy against Mother Gaia. It was always bad strategy.
So, dear Hansen and associated cult acolytes, I recommend you get on a path to discuss the concept of independent thinker as an objective epistemological source of climate science dialog/evaluation.
John
Phil C says:
February 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm
As of late friday, Heartland has stated that only the two-page strategy memo is a fake. The remaining 100+ pages (including the IRS 990 form) are, according to Heartland,either authentic or have been tampered with. They haven’t stated anything else is fake.
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Ok Phil, now please enlighten us to what you condsider to be nefarious of mendacious in ANY of the other 100 plus pages.
finds they must fake the main one to get media attention.
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Thats amusing coming from Andrew Bolt. He recently got slapped on the wrist by the legal system for fake journalism. Apparently he made up a bunch of stuff. Then when caught tried to cover it up by pretending it was his freedom of speech right to make stuff up.
Hmm let me see, wildly pointing at some other thing to distract people from the thing you don’t want them to look at. Seems to be a standard tactic for Andrew.
Phil C,
If you had bothered to keep up with events, you would know that all the other information was publicly available [with the exception of the upcoming meetings calendar, which was routine business, and only a space filler for the hacker]. The 990 is public record, as has been repeatedly pointed out.
The only fabricated document is the faked one, which was deliberately designed to make a perfectly innocent, legitimate and lawful organization look like mendacious and underhanded schemers against the pure-as-the-driven-snow climate alarmist cult. <—[That's sarcasm. Folks like Phil might take it literally.☺]
geo says:
February 17, 2012 at 9:46 am
I’m a little unclear on the ethics involved here…
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The climateggate one and two release of e-mails were likely (not certainly) an inside whistle blower release of information that was being stonewalled from several legal FOIA requeests of publicly funded research. The result of this release of information to the public was strong evidence of mendacious efforts to grossly exagerate the CAGW message, hide private, but publicly unarticulted doubts by the “scientist” involved concerning the CAGE meme, and control the peer review process by blackballing and career ending attempts to defund and isolate any scientist or scientific journal which presented legiatamate doubts as to the veracity of the CAGW message.
The attack on the private conservative think tank Heartland Institute, was likely an illegal outside theft of “private” information, which illuminated NOTHING any any way nefarious, illegal, or mendacious, and demonstrated a meager stream of funding to benefit the public with ZERO tax dollars. Furthermore, this illegal theft was accompanied by what appears to be a forged document, the intent of which was to cast a devious anti science context, to what in reality was an honest effort to better inform the public and improve our biased educational system.
Steve S says:
February 17, 2012 at 7:41 am
“They do extend an olive branch though, in that they’re willing to admit the one doc was fake as soon as someone proves it wasn’t written by Heartland. Heh.”
If you happen to be the happy owner of some expensive forensics suits or have the help of Adobe you can, apparently, extract all information that was used to, and went into, to create the pdf including serial numbers and what not. In an original pdf file one can actually follow every edit and change and addition and deletion ever done the file so it stand to reason that going pdf probably include more data than most people are aware of like serial numbers from scanners or hidden digital watermarks with the serial number of the scanner included.
It’s not so weird though, because what you can do in the physical world you can do in the digital as well.
So an investigator would do well to employ the help of Adobe or federal or private forensics folks to disassemble the pdf file for all the information Adobe “hides” in the files.
Lazy Teen says:
“Seems to be a standard tactic for Andrew.”
Credibility check: identify other times when Andrew Bolt has been convicted of anything similar… since you claim this is his “standard tactic”.
Check out the link, then report back, Lazy. It’s your credibility at stake here, not Bolt’s.
never ever trust anyone with one of those stupid round the mouth beards – they INVARIABLY are dishonest
Actually that’s a Van Dyke. A Goatee, traditionally, doesn’t include a mustache.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatee
No /sarc? I guess you just meant to be incredibly bigoted then.
The CAGW theory is supported only by falsified data and the attacks by its proponents upon skeptics are supported only by falsified emails.
Is anyone surprised that people who support false claims in one situation and falsify data to support their claims should refrain from doing the same in another situation?
Lies are the chosen mechanism of the warmists for furthering their own personal agenda. This will be reflected in every aspect of their lives and everything they do.
“I just checked the smogblog, or whatever it is they call themselves. They’ve decided to double down, and offer up lots of name calling, and moral equivalence by way of argument. They do extend an olive branch though, in that they’re willing to admit the one doc was fake as soon as someone proves it wasn’t written by Heartland. Heh.”
I think a fun exercise would be for each of us to submit a smogblog “document”, all which must be assumed true until someone proves they weren’t written by smogblog.
Scottish Skeptic @ur momisugly 1:24pm
You suggest the following:
“I am just wondering how Richard Black at the BBC would feel if we created an entirely false document … say a letter from a mistress and published it on a website.”
That won’t work. Look at his picture. No one would believe he has a mistress.
jtom, I like where your mind’s at. I had exactly the same thought. No doubt there would be loud screams of protest, “that’s not what we meant”, or some similar rubbish excusing their double-standards, hypocrisy and blatant dishonesty.
You cannot use “who” receives money for some cause or belief to base reality on. The reality is humans are greedy and most will sell out their best friend if it makes them “rich” so both sides will grab as much as they can over ANY issue or any side right or wrong. Put money on one side and the other side will miraculously change their mind and “come over” more times than not and believe their own “facts” true or not. I can only look at my own land till is taken away from me for taxes after the Klickitat Sheriffs proved what I just said in assisting in a theft to stop John F Hendry vs. MCR HOA et al. and tell you from the historic record that the Snowden Area in Klickitat WA has warmed up in recent decades and all the local folks and the generations that grew up in the WA Snowden area have noticed it and talk about it outside of the science side of it as these are folks that still practice incest and live in the past proving evolution is real but works faster in areas outside of Klickitat. These types of people don’t have the intellect to make valid decisions so Nature will do for them one way or the other, but they are smart enough to notice the change in weather and snow levels. The fact that 911 was so well received sends up a red flag that humans cannot change fast enough to keep up with science and what it gives them to do what must be done to get off the planet and survive and stop an invasion from another group of humans wanting to rule using tools our civilization gave them. I know that’s harsh, but Nature is harsh and unforgiving of error. The Klickitat Sheriffs like most people willing to put on a uniform and give up their feel will instinctively know to do what they are told to do. We can only make sure they get the right orders and act as humanly as possible without putting mankind at risk. Humans have been acting violently and using deception on each other since they learned to stand and that will not suddenly stop happening because we want it to and would not act like that ourselves…..without the same temptation of the opportunity to easily get “rich” that is.
Regardless of manmade warming or no warming we have gone through 200 million years of stored carbon and must slow down to conserve the last half of it for future generations. We must conserve our resources for what matters most and that’s not some crackhead driving a car to deliver drugs that says the Moon landing was a hoax too. Finding balance and learning to tune rather than change scales is what needs to be done. We have a violent past that shows us the future if we do not change our ways and the unfortunate fact is that takes time and many people will remain stuck in the past habits. The new religion is physics and because it wears a strait jacket and reveals only truth the arguments over it will be resolved. We are making progress and should help with the tuning established, not try to change the age old song that made it though. You can accomplish a lot with tuning if you do it right, but you must accept the strings as they are as cutting them will get you nowhere except involved in endless arguments.
John Hendry^^
Jimbo says:
February 17, 2012 at 8:49 am
Allan MacRae says:
February 16, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I repeat:
You can save yourselves a lot of time, and generally be correct, by simply assuming that EVERY SCARY PREDICTION the global warming alarmists express is FALSE.
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Jimbo says:
I suspect this is why they have now changed their tactics and predict everything. Faster, slower, warmer, colder, wetter drier, etc. This is also why they change their propaganda slogan from Catastrophic Anthropogenic (Runaway) Global Warming.
Long live warmcold.
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Allan says:
Good point Jimbo – the warmists are now married to “The Non-Falsifiable Hypothesis”, where EVERYTHING, EVEN GLOBAL COOLING, IS EVIDENCE OF DANGEROUS MANMADE GLOBAL WARMING.
So I herewith restate my (falsifiable) hypothesis:
“You can save yourselves a lot of time, and generally be correct, by simply assuming that EVERY SCARY PREDICTION the global warming alarmists express is FALSE.”
Perhaps, with time and continued nonsense from the warmists, this Hypothesis will become a Theory, or even a Law (“The Law of Warmist BS”).
Wiki:
Falsifiability or refutability of an assertion, hypothesis or theory is the logical possibility that it can be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of a physical experiment. That something is “falsifiable” does not mean it is false; rather, that if it is false, then some observation or experiment will produce a reproducible result that is in conflict with it.
Jimbo says: February 17, 2012 at 8:50 am
“Forgot to add: … propaganda slogan from Catastrophic Anthropogenic (Runaway) Global Warming to Climate Change.”
It is merely an intentional use of the Fallacy of Ambiguity.
IPCC, R. Alley, and J. Arblaster. A Report of Working Group I of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (SPM). Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis: Summary for Policymakers. IPCC, 2007
Of course, that “human activity” must be producing energy, 70% of which yields CO2. Source: U.S. Input-Output tables. So, those calling for regulations to limit CO2 are actually intent upon seizing control of 70% of our means of production.
I have a new idea for a TV detective show – Matlock meets Macguyver in the online world , it’s called ‘Mosher’