Uh oh. From the NYT, a harbinger of failure. But then again looking at Copenhagen and Cancun, why should this meeting in Durban be any different?
Nations Heading to Durban Climate Talks Remain Deeply Divided – NYTimes.com
U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres lauded a climate change meeting in Panama as “good progress” this weekend, even as environmental activists warned that the world’s only structure for curbing greenhouse gas emissions appears about to crumble.
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“South Africa is the tipping point in terms of the future of the climate regime,” said Tasneem Essop, international climate policy advocate for the World Wildlife Fund in South Africa.
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Figueres on Friday lauded the European Union for helping to launch “constructive discussions” and said “governments are exploring those middle-ground solutions that would allow them to go forward with a second commitment period.”
Yet the United States, which is not a party to Kyoto but as the world’s largest historic carbon emitter is central to the future of the climate regime, appears to be putting the kibosh on such a compromise.
Speaking at a wrap-up press conference in Panama, U.S. Deputy Envoy Jonathan Pershing acknowledged that “the uncertainty over a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol is a source of anxiety for many parties.” But in describing the E.U. proposal, Pershing said, “We do not believe that conditions are ripe in Durban for a legally binding agreement.”
Maybe it has to do with trust?
From ClickGreen: Carbon markets still a “fraudster’s playground”, report claims
h/t to Tom Nelson
If only someone at these never-ending gabfests would have the courage to stand up and say
“If climate change is the issue, CARBON DIOXIDE JUST DOESN’T MATTER!!”
Now, that would be a catfight to watch1
[but, of course, “global warming/climate change/climate disruption” is most certainly NOT the issue for these world gummint types]
Let’s hope it comes apart at the seems. The unholy mix of politics and science needs to collapse upon itself.
Son of Kyoto? Dear God, I hope not?!
Kyoto, was a UN ‘land grab’ and, our incredibly idiot governments in Western Europe fell for it, hook line and sinker – I mean how stupid does it get? = the EU.
In the UK, we’re stuck with a claque, comprising the dumbass alarmist [they all lurve AL Gore!] political elite and some of the most fanatical and ill-informed global warming loonies in the firmament.
It has been their fervent desire to close what little remains of our industry and manufacturing base, for reasons which remain unclear, other than some bonkers rose tinted vision, of returning the nation to an agrarian backward Utopia.
Indeed, the British government is planning to set a minimum carbon price of £16/tonne – it is an insane unilateral [bloody] suicide note.
With luck, Japan, Russia and the USA will stick to their guns and torpedo any nascent emissions treaty – for the good of the whole world, let us hope that Kyoto currently [whoopee!!] at termination status and soon [2012 in Durban] – it will be interred – a disused coal mine would be most apt but maybe not deep enough!
Amazing, so they created a carbon exchange that is closed to all but corporations and corporations found a work around. Go figure /sarc
Note that this isn’t original reporting by the NYT — instead, the Times displays content from ClimateWire, which is part of E&E Publishing. The Times describes them as a “news organization covering environmental and energy policy”. http://www.eenews.net/cw/
There are still chances to make some very good money indeed out of selling ‘hot air’
REPLY: It’s the “new guilt” we’ll have to buy carbon reparation certificates next for our past sins – Anthony
I read this at first as ‘carbon repatriation certificates’.
Information missing here is that Karen ‘Christiana Figueres’ Olsen, Executive Secretary to the UNFCCC is also an Al Gore ‘The Climate Project’ connector.
From Wikipedia –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiana_Figueres
Paragraph headed ‘Lectures’, last sentence –
“She has been trained and authorized by Al Gore to deliver his presentation An Inconvenient Truth.”
Just love the connection !
If Australia’s carbon tax bills (19 bills) that are being introduced at the moment, become law before December 2011, the Australian government representatives will take that to Durban COP17 and will ratify the Green Climate Fund and anything else they can get their signatures on.
They did do business in Cancun COP16, only with less fanfare.
The black-body law says that to raise T from 290 to 291K,
an extra 5.5W/m^2 of heat must be supplied.
IPPC says CO2 doubling reduces emission by 3.7W/m ^2,
which only needs a 2/3 deg K temp rise to balance.
The reality is that a negative feed back of 1.9W/m^2
will reduce the actual temp rise to 1/3 deg K, essentially unmeasurable,
easily swamped by the next Grand Minimum.
That is why the IPCC has to posit a phantom 10+ W/m^2 per deg C
of totally fictitious positive feedback,
a value so high that the Earth through the geological ages
could never have avoided a Venus-fate.
The Warmistas slyly avoid any mention of this massive ‘deal-killer’.
(Chanting ‘Higher temp means higher humidity means stronger greenhouse’,
as if reality conformed to their wishes.)
They’ll blather on at their forlorn Durban meeting,
not realising that they’re as obsolete as the USSR in 1989.
Stephen Rasey says:
October 10, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Of course, you can force people to buy carbon permits if they want to visit.
Court Backs EU Plan to Regulate Jet Emissions WSJ Oct.7,2011
The Court of Justice issued Thursday a preliminary opinion supporting an EU law forcing any airline landing at or departing from an European Union airport to hold permits to emit greenhouse gases.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203388804576614263383888984.html
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Sounds like a real good reason to remove the EU as a destination.
I suggest Turkey and Norway beef up their airports and ground transport….. Of course with the EU economy going down the tubes who will be going there anyway.
A friend of my hubby’s family visited Africa came home and died.
Here is the partial list of diseases for South Africa:
Diseases Found in Southern Africa
Malaria….
Dengue, filariasis, leishmaniasis, onchocerciasis (river blindness), African tick bite fever, a rickettsial infection, and African trypanosomiasis (African sleeping sickness)….Schistosomiasis, a parasitic infection, is found in fresh water……and high incidence rates of tuberculosis and high HIV prevalence rates. http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/south-africa.htm
I will be nice and not say anything more except Mother Nature has already shown she has a warped sense of humor at Copenhagen.
Yes, yet another in the interminable series of tipping points. “Hey ma. Have we tipped yet.”
“No but we’re not ‘sustainable’ yet either.” And so the ‘tipping point’ mantra competes with ‘sustainable’ for the most mentions per page or per press release. Glazed eyes notwithstanding, please come up with some new buzzwords. (Bored; yawn)
Copenhagen, Cancun, Durban…
Why don’t they have these beanfeasts in places like Detroit, Sunderland, Oodnadatta, Dzerzhinsk, or Mogadishu? It’d give them a chance to find out what the world is really like.
BTW: They moved the goal posts again, since our emissions are down. It’s now emissions per capita.
….uh…what’s with the fascination of these folks for “tipping points”? Nature rarely seems to have absolute tipping points.
If there WERE a tipping point in terms of the future of the “climate regime,” the signal event was Climategate. However, I don’t think these folks will go quietly into the night….
South Africa is the tipping point?
1. I thought it was GUAM that was tipping?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/01/congressional-tipping-point-not-an-april-fools-joke/
2. If South Africa tips over, doesn’t the rest of Africa hold it in place? Or are they so ticked off with Mugabe that they are going to cast South Africa loose?
3. What do you use to attach a country the size of South Africa to the continent? Do they make zippers that big? Or is it velcro?
4. If it actually tips, do they know if it will be from north to south or east to west? I’m thinking that with Dorothy having dropped a house on the wicked witch of the east, and thrown a bucket of water on the wicked witch of the west, that leaves a north south axis. But I thought it was a good witch axis. Who knew?
5. Have they tried tipping Mugabe instead? Ever since he got on board they’ve been listing heavily to one side or the other in South Africa…. I hear some people were plotting to vote him off, but someone tipped him off and he tip toed over their voting rights steel tipped jack boots.
Oh wait. Mugabe is Zimbabwe not SA.
He’s demanded money for climate change at the UN so many times…that it has made me stupid.
Maybe it has to do with our money and trusting others with it.
If those so called experts, politicians and hangers on, not to mention the usual dull-witted protestors stayed home, I’m sure the reduction in air travel alone would look after any carbon imbalance and the annoying background whine from the everpresent, self proclaimed morally superior “Green” movement would slowly die away as well.
Ban-ki Moon visited Australia & NZ recently. He was reported as saying the chances of a global agreement coming out of Durban were very small and he thought only way forward was with “regional initiatives” –whatever they are.
‘Bruce says:
October 10, 2011 at 1:58 pm
“largest historic carbon emitter”
But not the largest. China does 23.3% or world carbon emissions. The USA 18.11%.
REPLY: It’s the “new guilt” we’ll have to buy carbon reparation certificates next for our past sins – Anthony’
Perhaps the Great O could show his credentials by making a full-and-frank apology to all developing nations for the carbon-evils conducted by former US presidents [ Would that be a Tea Culpa ? ]
Durban has had a sub-tropical climate until now. The Gore effect is really going to tick off the locals.
Every climate conference proclaims a tipping point in the days before only to find that the prediction is wrong in the days after.
The Chinese invented and perfected Water Torture millions of years ago; then they invented and perfected Addictive Dependency hundreds of thousands of years ago — first with rice, then opium, and now money. The beauty of the last one (for them, not their ‘enemy’) is that the more dependent you are, the more stupid you become, and the easier it is to lead you around by the nose. Why they can blow in your ear and whisper anything, and you’ll believe it because you think it was your very own idea. Who invented communism? Yep! Who invented Viet Nam? Yep! Who invented ‘Green’? Yep! Who invented the Muslim Spring? Yep! These guys are ‘smart’. They make you think you just gotta’ do something like invade Afganistan or Iraq and save the world, or get a new telephone every 5 minutes or camp out on wall street for no apparent reason at all. I’m telling you, we’re toast. This new UN Conference is not going to fail to produce the worst treaty ever, if that’s what those Chinese want. Mark my words! Pass the opium, will ya? I need to recharge my batteries. What? $10Trillion a hit? Give me a break, I’m a little short today, can I have another loan? Thanks Mao! You’re the best!(SarcOff)
At least currently these people are only taking millions instead of billions, how many climate conferences do you attend before you become bored even if its in exotic locations.
They have also learned not to believe their press and go to Copenhagen during the winter.