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October 11, 2009 7:47 am


Joel Shore (21:30:43) :
… by looking at a plot closely related to one that you linked to in another thread: http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/File:Atmospheric_Transmission_png

Joel , Joel, Joel – the ‘globalwarmingart site as a reference? Is this in any even reputable (non-peer reviewed graphics)?
C’mon … a) the graph is misleadingly titled, b) the Y-axis is simply labeled ‘spectral intensity’ with no unit indication, c) thereby giving no indication of being linear or logarithmic and d) ostensibly shows earf (sic) and sun intensity peaks as being EQUAL (they are most assuredly NOT equal!) e) temperature radiative ‘curves’ for earf (sic) are labeled ambiguously AND f) are all shown to be EQUAL in intensity WHEN IN FACT T^4 will yield a higher peaked for the 310 deg. K curve.
Again, c’mon, the ‘globalwarmingart’ site as a cited source? Its art, man, not science! (Do your buddies at Deltoid, Tamino, RC or other know you just cited them?)
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Chris
October 11, 2009 8:01 am

British readers may want to read the SuperFreakonomics extract in today’s Sunday Times (pages 1-3 of the News Review section, I don’t believe it is available in html form at thetimes.co.uk but you can get the first page by putting “sunday times” “news review” into Google and clicking the link – unfortunately pages 2&3 are behind a trial/sign-up wall). It is titled:
“Why Everything You Think You Know About Global Warming Is Wrong”
Visitors to Watts Up With That will not learn much but many of the facts ignored by the alarmists and kept from the hoi polloi are stated – the Sunday Times has a circulation of 1.2 million and the first Freakonomics book sold 3 million.
Inconvenient facts stated include: global temperatures are dropping; CO2 is a minor problem and ppm have been far higher in the past; sea levels are not rising dramatically and have been rising since the last ice age; climate models are crude, simplified and suffer from groupthink to keep funding; the importance of water vapour; Gore is groanworthy!
The second-half of the article deals with the $250m geo-engineering solution proposed by Nathan Myhrvold’s group.

Harold Ambler
October 11, 2009 8:18 am

More weather is not climate:
The low temperature in Choteau, Montana, yesterday was -4 degrees Fahrenheit, breaking the previous record of 18 from 1977.
Pretty decent jailbreak on the part of the Arctic cold.
Lots more records here:
http://www.weather.gov/view/validProds.php?prod=RER

Ray
October 11, 2009 8:24 am

I finally got to see the new version of “When the Earth Stood Still”… what a stupid adaptation. So instead of killing all the people of the earth with a quick nanobits death, the aliens take away ALL the energy sources (even the energy in batteries… and most likely electric cars) from us, condemning us to a very slow death for the majority of people. Those aliens are even more stupid than the AGWiers (or at least the writers are).
That really sounds like what the sleeping politicians want to do.

October 11, 2009 8:34 am

David S (07:37:49) :
Without Watts I have no power.

Ray
October 11, 2009 8:36 am

Forget Global Warming… they are preparing the next BIG SCARE… “Planet Earth is Drying Up!” Where do they get their science????????

tomm10
October 11, 2009 8:49 am

A little late but….WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY STATING THAT WE AMERICANS SPEAK TOO LOUD??? 🙂

Gene Nemetz
October 11, 2009 8:55 am

Harold Ambler (08:18:38) :
Do you have a link directly to the -4 record ?

Gene Nemetz
October 11, 2009 9:04 am

All top 5 headlines at Drudge are on global warming/ Gore
http://www.drudgereport.com/
including this
“Soros says aims to invest $1 Billion in green tech…”

October 11, 2009 9:17 am

in Florida (06:25:07) :
The point being that the drier air allowed the night time temperatures to get into the 60’s and the more humid air prevents that. I am talking about a 7-9 degree temperature difference at night solely due to water vapor levels. Water vapor clearly overwhelms any CO2 effects.”
Exactly.
I first noticed this as a teenager in the mid-60s, having grown up in Houston, Texas – a very humid city. Then made a two week trip into the much drier clime of northern New Mexico – Philmont Scout Ranch – in July. Not enough difference in latitude to make any difference, but the difference in absolute humidity had us trying to keep warm at night.
Anyone can see this, simply visit a desert state during the summer, stay up until midnight and see how cold it gets. Then try the same thing in, oh, Miami, New Orleans, or Houston. One can eliminate UHI effects by driving out into a rural area near those big cities.
Water vapor is king. CO2 is the serf.

Harold Ambler
October 11, 2009 9:30 am

Hey Gene,
The -4 record is in the link I provided; it comes from the following group within the link:
RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GREAT FALLS MT
225 AM MDT SUN OCT 11 2009
MTZ008>015-044>055-120328-
…RECORD COOL MAXIMUM TEMPERATURES FOR OCT 10 IN NORTH CENTRAL
AND SOUTHWEST MONTANA…
LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD YEAR SET
DILLON AIRPORT 26 33 2008
GREAT FALLS 20 34 1959
MARTINSDALE 24 37 1959
SIMPSON 26 26 1959
HELENA 25 36 1959
CUT BANK 20 26 1972
WISDOM 29 36 1949
HAVRE 28 29 1959
BOULDER 19 40 2008
VALIER 18 38 1919
STANFORD 18 38 2008
TURNER 25 44 1985
WHITE SULPHUR SP 19 30 1924
CHOTEAU 18 35 1928
BELGRADE FIELD 30 39 1946
GOLD BUTTE 24 27 1959
LEWISTOWN 17 28 1959
…RECORD LOW TEMPERATURES FOR OCT 10 IN NORTH CENTRAL AND
SOUTHWEST MONTANA…
LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD YEAR SET
DILLON AIRPORT 8 15 1987
GREAT FALLS 4 14 1919
MARTINSDALE 1 15 1987
HELENA 9 15 1987
CUT BANK 3 10 1977
VALIER 2 9 1919
STANFORD 0 10 1987
WHITE SULPHUR SP -1 8 1919
CHOTEAU -4 18 1977
GOLD BUTTE 2 14 1987
LEWISTOWN 11 12 1987
$$
Some of the records for max and min exceed the previous readings by more than 20 degrees Fahrenheit…

Pamela Gray
October 11, 2009 9:38 am

Clear dry skies, light wind in Pendleton, cold front overhead. Right now all the leafy green trees are dropping their green leaves. The colors have not turned to autumn hues yet in town. But the stem connections froze solid hard overnight. Now every little breeze brings them to the ground. Record low highs and record low lows are falling all over the place.

October 11, 2009 9:56 am

When a journalist asks Al Gore a question, the journo’s microphone is cut off: click

P Gosselin
October 11, 2009 10:08 am

Alan Cull,
Yeah! I like it! Hit it one more time!

P Gosselin
October 11, 2009 10:11 am

And again send this to your thieving “green” crook politicians.

P Gosselin
Sons of Liberty
Yes – ressurect the Sons of Liberty!

October 11, 2009 10:12 am

For frigid baseball fans: click

P Gosselin
October 11, 2009 10:21 am

They couldn’t shut Dee up, so now they’re gonna try to unplug him, and all the rest us with this
Climate Bill of oppression.

It’s Tea Party time!!!!!!!!!

Ron de Haan
October 11, 2009 10:33 am

The first cold spell of the season is underway in Europe now.
Although the track of the cold air mass is directed at the North and the East of Europe,
Germany will have to cope with snow from 1000 meters and frost.
We are clearly one month ahead of time with this winter weather.
Interesting times.
http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=rss&traveler=0&article=8

P Gosselin
October 11, 2009 10:34 am
P Gosselin
October 11, 2009 10:36 am

Someone start printing this Flag.
I’ll pay $20 for one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty#Flags
Fly it baby!

Ron de Haan
October 11, 2009 10:37 am

Will they push the Climate Bill through Senate?
With more and more GOP Senators selling out it looks if we are going to lose this major battle.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574447090218534138.html

Ron de Haan
October 11, 2009 10:40 am

Call, write, fax, e-mail those Senators.
Call them every day and tell them they will be send out of Government if they support thus “Bill of fools”.

P Gosselin
October 11, 2009 10:44 am

Fly this baby!
http://www.flagpro.com/store/319800.html
It was the Sons of Freedom that carried out the first Boston Tea Party.

Ron de Haan
October 11, 2009 10:50 am
October 11, 2009 10:53 am

P Gosselin,
T-shirt

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