Letter to the Editor Watts Up With That?
31st October 2014
For decades green extremists have been spreading doomsday forecasts of global warming.
But where do we find the greatest abundance of life on land? Follow the equator around the globe – the Amazon, the Congo, Kenya, Indonesia and New Guinea – all places where it is warm and wet.
And where is life such a struggle that few species live there? Go towards the poles – Siberia and the cold deserts of Antarctica and Greenland.
Where do most tourists go in winter? Few go to Alaska or Iceland – most head towards the warmth of the Mediterranean, the Caribbean, the Black Sea and Bali.
Which season is most welcomed? It is not the first frost, nor the first snowstorm, but the first cherry blossoms, the first robins, and the welcome green shoots of new spring pasture.
Land life multiplies in summer – many mammals hibernate or die in winter.
Every nurseryman knows that plants grow best in a warm greenhouse with added carbon dioxide. Global warmth speeds up the life-supporting water and carbon cycles – warming oceans expel the gases of life (carbon dioxide and water vapour) producing more clouds, more precipitation and more plant growth.
This is why the warm eras of the past are remembered as periods of plenty – the cold eras are times of hunger, migrations and war.
Life on Earth has never been threatened by greenhouse warming. It is the sudden plunge into an ice age that we need to fear.
Green alarmists should venture from their cosy offices and coffee shops and celebrate the welcome warmth of our global greenhouse while it lasts.
Warmth is good.
Viv Forbes,
Rosewood Qld Australia
For those who would like to read more:
Warmer temperatures do more good than harm:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9057151/carry-on-warming/
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The extreme idiocy of the IPCC position is that all warming is bad, ergo, all cooling is good.. How incredibly preposterous it is that supposed intelligent people could ever hold such a view, It defies all human logic and reason
IPCC acts as the Popes and Christian Priest did during Medival Age….. They know best 🙂 Regardless of that – Humans cause everything and the Sun and Universe circles around US Humans …..
Which goes to show that Human nautre is not:”evolved, smart, or intelligent.”
things are definitely Medieval out there….
“It defies all human logic and reason”
Yet it’s entrenched main stream. How? better yet, Why?
Here is a version of Why.
The IPCC is a creation of the UN General Assembly. The Organization of Islamic Countries (OIC) is the largest voting block in the UN General Assembly. The leading countries of OPEC (Saudi Arabia, IRAN, Iraq, Kuwait) play a leading role in OIC. My theory is that the IPCC has demonized CO2 to promote the interests of OPEC. Clearly OPEC would be willing to contribute a few billion a year to the Green cause to protect its trillion dollar a year income.
In the US, the Greens have converted the “war on CO2” into a “war on coal” and support for wind and solar, two impractical and expensive energy sources. Wind and solar are just a front for natural gas that is required to balance their intermittency. If Greens were seriously opposed to CO2, they would support nuclear to replace coal. While there is currently some dissension in the ranks, the main Green organizations still fanatically oppose nuclear.
The real threat to OPEC is that the natural gas bonanza from fracking will be converted to methanol for use as a substitute for oil. EPA (controlled by the Green lobby) regulations prevent the use of methanol as a substitute for oil and are in the process of banning the use of coal thereby potentially doubling the demand for natural gas without reducing the demand for oil. In case that is not sufficient to suck up the excess natural gas, the Obama administration has issued permits for Liquified Natural Gas export terminals equal to the increase in natural gas production from fracking. As soon as US natural gas is exported, US natural gas prices will rise from about $5 per MMBtu to about $12-16 per MMBtu. By converting electricity production to natural gas and raising the price of natural gas to the world price that is linked to the price of oil, the competition from electricity in the transportation sector will also be diminished.
When natural gas has displaced coal for electricity production and exports raise the price of natural gas to the global price, the Green policy agenda will be complete. Both transportation (oil) and electricity (natural gas) prices will be high and energy demand reduced/energy poverty increased.
Obama energy policy promotes high energy prices consistent with the objectives of OPEC. It opposes nuclear and coal (low cost baseline electricity), opposes domestic production of oil and natural gas (offshore, ANWR, Keystone pipeline, fracking coming soon), promotes natural gas (Renewable Portfolio Standards) for electricity, and preserves the oil monopoly for the transportation sector.
A low cost, environmentally friendly energy policy uses nuclear to replace coal, uses electricity to replace natural gas, and uses natural gas converted to methanol to compete with oil in the transportation sector. Eventually, nuclear can produce hydrogen from water, the hydrogen can be combined with CO2 from the air to produce methanol, and the methanol can fuel the transportation sector. If a fuel cell is used then the output is water and CO2 forming a closed cycle: uranium, water and CO2 in, water and CO2 out.
Since this is a low cost solution, market forces freed from regulation will cause it to happen over time.
This is my theory of why the IPCC demonizes CO2 and promotes the absurd idea that warm is bad and cold is good.
This is more a reply to Stephen DuVal and Paul. WHY would OPEC be concerned with natural gas and fracking? Better still, why would you waste time and energy converting natural gas to ethanol rather than burning it directly? As for OPEC and its billions, why would they be concerned with the production of natural gas when they had the money to buy the companies that were doing it? American companies are not shy of selling to the highest bidder, whether it is good for the country and citizens or not. No, this has nothing to do with OPEC.
I’ve said it many times in the past, this has nothing to do with anything other than population reduction. The elite have found another venue to use to attempt to convince us to kill ourselves off. It is obvious that an ice age is coming. the period for it to happen is upon us. Why would they want to share THEIR shrinking world with billions of starving people that might kill to survive? It is better to weaken them with cold and starvation and then kill them with disease. The process is simple, the costs are minimal, and expected results will be ‘on target.”
THAT is WHY the global warming mantra is stuck in mainstream media – which is wholly owned by the elite and produces whatever the elite wish produced, which is the answer to “how” as well. It does NOT defy the logic of the elite to reduce the population to a level that can be supported by the shrinking world, and won’t crowd them out.
Also, when you think about it, the approaching ice age will be most destructive of the northern hemisphere, where the “colonial nations” and “industrial nations” have long dominated the world. What will remain is the land of those “third world’ nations that have long had their resources raped by “the northern nations” and not used to help them, so it is easy to understand that “why” with the General Assembly creating IPCC. As they like to say “payback is a beech” or something like that.
Tom O syas:
…the global warming mantra is stuck in mainstream media – which is wholly owned by the elite and produces whatever the elite wish produced…
People should remember that. The elite are not us. They have a different agenda and different interests. They try to indoctrinate people to serve their masters.
The elite [Soros et al] are not our friends, and the mainstream media is their tool. It is a very effective tool. The only defense is to think for yourself. The best starting point is to automatically reject the media’s narrative. It is not there for your benefit.
@dbstealey
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“The elite [Soros et al] are not our friends”
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You are correct. Charles Koch, David Koch, Greg Gianforte, Harold Simmons, : Bob Perry, Jim Davis, Richard Marriot, Bill Marriott Jr., Frank VanderSloot, Steven Lund, Julian Robertson Jr., John Paulson, Paul Singer, Robert Mercer, Kenneth Griffin, : L. Francis Rooney III, Steven Webster, and Sheldon Gary Adelson are not our friends either.
juan,
I see a BIG difference between the Koch Bros [I don’t know many of the others you listed] and the numerous billionaires populating the Left. People like Soros, Mark Cuban, and many others like them are the ones who do what they can to control the public’s perception. Like the Rockefellers, they have the means to buy media influence.
And as we see, they are quite successful. Just look at those they demonize, such as the Koch’s, who are simply Libertarian businessmen. They do not buy newspapers, and the UN, and other media in order to promote their views like the Soros’s of the world, who are invariably promoting world government, and a drastically reduced population, and world socialism/communism [same-same, really].
If billionaires just enjoyed their money, there would be no problem. But when someone hits the billionaire lottery, they seem to gravitate toward meddling in the lives of us common folks. They should just butt out. But since they won’t, we have to push back.
@dbstealey
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There is no difference between Soros and the Koch’s
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I suggest you investigate some of the fellows I mentioned and learn some politics before you talk about the “elite”
dbstealy – ummm
there is some brothers have the (I think centre-of-right) Daily Telegraph in London
Koch – sum-such – Barclay, or similar.
H/t to Private Eye.
Auto
Auto,
You know more about the players than I do. Do they buy newspapers and other media? What is their message? Overpopulation? World gov’t? Conservation?
You know, ‘right of center’ in the mainstream media here means traditional values. Which should be right in the center. Libertarians come close.
juan says:
There is no difference between Soros and the Koch’s
That’s crazy.
@dbstealey
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“That’s crazy.”
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Hardly, both the Koch’s and Soros are members of the “elite”
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You too can be a member of the “elite” …but you need upwards of a billion dollars to join their club.
juan says:
…both the Koch’s and Soros are members of the “elite”
Both are members of the human race, too. But we were not discussing either of those things.
The Kochs’ are libertarian, free market businessmen, while Soros is a ‘world government’ statist.
Who would you rather have running things?
It not only defies logic and reason it also defies history. The Medieval Warm Period was a time of prosperity and lack of want. The following Little Ice Age was a period of hardship and famine. But who cares about history?
To jaun: I would also add Buffet, Ted Turner, Gore, Steyer, Kerry, Gates, the Rockerfellers… and even people like Suzuki, Orestes and Klein.
@Tom O
The major policy decision facing the US is whether to use the natural gas bonanza from fracking to replace coal and save the planet from the dreaded CO2 or whether to use the excess natural gas to produce methanol for the transportation market and to cap the price of oil at $50-70 per barrel.
OPEC is very concerned about the excess natural gas in the US because they are trying to sell $5 per barrel oil for $100 per barrel, a small change in the demand for oil causes a large change in the price of oil, natural gas supplies almost as much energy to the global market as oil, and natural gas can be cheaply converted to methanol which is an excellent fuel for internal combustion engines.
If natural gas at its current US price was converted to methanol for use as a transportation fuel, it would cap the price of oil in the $50-70 per barrel range. In 2008, dropping global oil demand from 85 million barrels per day to 80 million barrels per day reduced the price from $150 per barrel to $40 per barrel in a period of 6 months. OPEC cut production by 5 mbpd and the price went back to $100 per barrel over a period of 1 year.
Ethanol can not have the same effect as methanol because it can not be produced in the same quantities as methanol and it is more expensive than methanol. Methanol can substitute for gasoline without any government subsidies.
Well here in AUS Soros funds Greenleft activists GetUp, a supposedly “independent” group that just happens to run Green candidates for parliament. Yet we happily tolerate this while being told to demonise Koch, who 99% of Australians have never encountered.
All read to the cheery strains of Marche Slave – good grief!
This from she who is best not mentioned explains quite a lot I think. Fear of heat and failure to understand basic physics or car air con. for that matter.
‘The angry summers are getting angrier.’ Give me strength!
http://theintelligentreview.com/climate-change-is-personal-by-miriam-obrien/
She ‘barely survived a half-hour drive’……… did she even TRY to open a window? I’m reminded of the commercial (movie?) where the guy is sitting in the car crying, because he locked the doors with the keys inside….
Awwww, petey, you lost your just-born sense of humor! And apparently, also don’t know about opening windows to get a breeze in.
Let me bring you up to speed Peter.
1) Outside thermometers mounted on cars should be taken with a grain of salt. Why?
Usually (mostly) they are mounted at the front of the vehicle within centimetres of the A/C condenser and/or radiator. They are usually mounted only ~30cm from the surface of the road. Even if you are travelling at 100km/h+, they will register easily +3C above abundant temperatures.
2) She is NOT a scientist. She has a Master of Business Administration and a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours). She also has an interest in climate science (her own words).
This article is from a scientist? It’s hot, my air conditioner broke, my Mom is 89 years old, I don’t have the brains to get the air conditioner fixed because I am busy, which means in a hundred years we are all going to be boiled to death like lobsters.
Thank you very much for that scientific insight. Next up, commentary on how to avoid shade on hot, sunny days.
On a serious note, the 2009 heat spell was extreme and for older people or people living at the margins was life threatening. For these groups getting the flu is life threatening, they are a vunerable group in many regards, which makes exploiting those seriously affected by extreme weather or any natural disaster for the AGW cause is beyond shameful.
The inherent dishonesty of this statement is abhorrent. Why no mention of the heat wave of 1895 with 437 dead or 1938 with 438 dead. Why this lack of consideration for any heat waves prior to 2009 or for that matter any other natural disasters? It is chronic tunnel vision or better put chronic cherry picking. Here is a list of heat waves for Australia going back to 1895 from EMA Disasters Database. Beyond this list, there was 160 days in a row of temperature above 39C at Marble Bar in 1924, 52C highs in 1878, 1896, 1901, 1906, 1909 and 53C highs in 1845 and 1889. Yeah Australia has been hot for awhile now, so get your air conditioners and fans fixed, upgrade your power grid with more dependable and cost-effective energy (solar & wind ain’t enough) and stop complaining.
“That summer of 2009 was considered exceptional at the time. It’s becoming the norm. Research suggests that in a few decades, a year like 2009 will be considered unusually cool.”
You are absolutely correct. And, the outright lie inherent in the above statement is: RESEARCH doesn’t suggest the world will be much warmer in a few decades, MODELS do, and the models are carefully constructed to produce the desired output.
That model output is being taken in preference to data is ludicrous, and yet these people are actually claiming that data is biased and model output is truth. I’m looking forward to their eventual humiliation.
Wonderful sensible article from a member of a wonderfully sensible Nation. Join us to defeat the elites.
Go Green ……. Produce lots of Carbon!
Time for the Drama Greens to change their campaign colour.
Put freezer on Boost for 6pm
Because we now face a real prospect of power cuts in the UK, to avoid problems when we start getting the power cuts, it is advisable to give your fridge/freezer a boost, recharge any batteries do any household chores indeed get everything done before 6pm.
Go Green alright. The crazies are now beetroot-red: http://pindanpost.com/2014/11/01/green-paroxysms-of-rage/
I remember my grand’ma saying that we need cold, frost and snow to kill the insect and snow to protect the new crop
This is one of the greatest logical disconnects of so-called environmentalists. In what kind of reality is it “green” to have cold, glaciers, frozen tundras and ice caps, but not green to have a world with abundant forests reaching up into high latitudes?
Not that this is likely to happen, of course, but the fact that they don’t want it to happen is somewhat bizarre, A bit like a Marxist alarmed that the world might embrace communism, or a libertarian going hysterical at the thought of the government getting smaller.
spot on
The absurdity of these disconnects is more mental than environmental. Maybe it should be called mentalEnvironmentalism.
Their positions even exceed the absurdity of Álex de la Iglesia movies. At least Álex de la Iglesia movies provide value as art, entertainment and insight into the human condition. MentalEnvironmentalism provides no value except maybe as a social club for illusions of grandeur, paranoia, skepticism in humanity, negativity, cynicism, and pessimism.
Better to shorten it to: enviroMentals.
enviro not environ. viro; as in contagion.
Ergo – EnviralMentals
Easy! Cold has polarbears. They are cute!
..and cuddly [smooch].. AAAAARRRRGGHHH!!
There is no disconnect. Their aim is to destroy or strongly reduce industry and capitalism. Where do you think all the anti-nuclear weapons activists went? Since the end of Communism in the Soviet Union there were a lot of hands with nothing better to do. They needed new glue.
Simply and sensibly put, Viv!
Yesterday my local paper (Malmö Sweden) had a full front-page spread with wartime headlines and a giant thermometer proclaiming that we’d just had the hottest month ever recorded in Malmö. Cause for celebration? You wish. Our whole mindset has been so warped by the IPCC, the Green Lobby, the media, and the political/establishment elite that we now no longer see the Gas of Life but the Kiss of Death. God help us – and the unborn billions – when the next cold spell sets in!
Hi Kevin,
My daughter lives in Eslov and attends U of Malmo. Another tip of the hat to WUWT, connecting people from around the world.
Oh My God, petey’s developed a sense of humor!
…you Do realize that you have just taken the first step towards Skepticism, yes?
“No.”
And that, folks, is proof positive of a closed mind.
Viv writes “while it lasts”. The RSS satellite agrees that it hasn’t warmed in over 18 years.
[Wasted effort by a banned commenter. Deleted. -mod]
Or –
it’s not warming/it is warming, it’s not warming – well not much; It’s the clouds/Magnetism/Solar activity/it HAS been colder before/it has been Warmer before/ we don’t know/ Could it have anything to do with CO2??
Multi-year ‘Noes’ indicate not.
Hmmmm.
What about science?
Hard facts. Perchance!
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There are around 23,000 extra deaths in the UK each winter. In Scotland the a linear regression of winter temperature and deaths showed something like 700 deaths for each degree C colder the winter was.
In the 1690s there was snow on the Cairngorms which suggests around 2C colder and around a quarter of the population died from famine. In contrast, from 1750-1850 (the supposed time of the “clearances”) the population of Scotland increased. So, the 1690s famines in the colder wetter period is very likely the worst disaster in Scottish history – but one almost completely ignored by the warmist Stazi currently running Scotland.
Data from insects in the UK, show that the modest warming in the 20th century did have an effect: It caused insects to INCREASE their range northward. Thus showing that the benign effects of warmth was largely beneficial.
Excess winter mortality in Europe: a cross country analysis identifying key risk factors
http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/10/784.full
Table 1 – Coefficient of seasonal variation in mortality (CSVM) in EU-14 (mean, 1988–97)
CSVM 95% CI
Austria 0.14 (0.12 to 0.16)
Belgium 0.13 (0.09 to 0.17)
Denmark 0.12 (0.10 to 0.14)
Finland 0.10 (0.07 to 0.13)
France 0.13 (0.11 to 0.15)
Germany 0.11 (0.09 to 0.13)
Greece 0.18 (0.15 to 0.21)
Ireland 0.21 (0.18 to 0.24)
Italy 0.16 (0.14 to 0.18)
Luxembourg 0.12 (0.08 to 0.16)
Netherlands 0.11 (0.09 to 0.13)
Portugal 0.28 (0.25 to 0.31)
Spain 0.21 (0.19 to 0.23)
UK 0.18 (0.16 to 0.20)
Mean 0.16 (0.14 to 0.18)
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Allan, thanks for posting that.
Overall, the UK exhibits an average seasonality rate of 18%, which represents about 37 000 annual excess winter deaths
I’ve written that as an article:
The forgotten genocide of millions of Britons
Below are some of the effects of the Little Ice Age from the literature. In short we had crop failures, hunger, mass migration, epidemics, great storms in the North Atlantic, Europe wide witch hunts, endemic Malaria in England & part of the Arctic Circle, higher wildfire frequency in circumboreal forests, strong droughts in central Africa (1400–1750), social unrest in China, dead Central American coral reef, century-scale droughts in East Africa, large increases in flood magnitude (upper Mississippi tributaries), environmental and economic deterioration in Norway, decline in average height of Northern European men, climate became drier on the Yucatan Peninsula, sudden and catastrophic end of the Norse Western Settlement in Greenland, River Thames freeze-overs, agro-ecological, socioeconomic, and demographic catastrophes, leading to the General Crisis of the Seventeenth Century.
During our warm period we are still trying to find the missing climate refugees in the face of world food production at record levels.
+10…@Jimbo,
Thanks for all your posts. As a geologist, I appreciate your links to articles, datasets, and insight.
I find this to be dumb.
The warmists approach that all warming is bad is stupid, but countering it by just saying the opposite is equally as stupid. Stay in the greyzone and compare the pros and cons, instead of going fullblown in either direction is what we should do..
Ohflow, sometimes when fighting the climate war you have to take the hard stand. They don’t understand the greyzone. There cannot be any benefits from a 2c warming world in their view. I destroy such rubbish.
It is all so very simple.
The aloof prophets of doom in the IPCC have decided that circa 1950 is the year of the climate norm and that year’s climate is the one we need to fix for our planet for the rest of eternity,
Personally, I think it should be 1937 and amongst my illustrious colleagues there is a variation from 1066 to 2035.
As if we had the slightest hope to fix climate to some arbitrary ideal! However, there a lot of goofies out there thinking wasting almost $1.0 billion per year on this goal is no way enough. They want us to get in there and really hobble the western world’s economy with lots more expensive, unreliable, intermittent energy and tax the poo out of cheap, efficient, reliable energy.
Well, that’s flat earth thinking for you.
Whoops!
$1.0 billion per day. not year!
Very interesting date 1937. Now see the extreme weather events of 1936 and 1935 when co2 was below the ‘safe’ 350ppm level.
Also see the great storms of the Little Ice Age, a time of lower co2 with a benign cold climate.
Warmer temps do more good hey. Dunno about that…it’s damn hot here for Spring!
NSW crops going backwards due to heat and lack of rain.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/nsw-crops-going-backwards-due-to-heat-and-lack-of-rain/171523
Most of New South Wales is facing very high fire danger ratings today as the state swelters with temperatures as high as 40 degrees Celsius in some areas.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/high-temperatures-and-increased-fire-danger-for-nsw/172850
So, summer is finally coming to Australia? I remember reading here several posts from Australia, complaining about unusually cold and late spring this year.
When you go out next time (instead of spending your life searching for links), look at the sky: I bet you it’s not falling yet.
Seriously Peter..?
Using BOM temperature records?… roflmao !!!!
Maybe you should look back before 1910 and see just what Australia CAN dish up in the way of heat.
And nearly every unadjusted raw station data show COOLING over the longer period, not warming.
Because I was in Newcastle today. Lets look at Newcastle, Nobby’s head.
Highest temp this October. 31.9C
Highest on record.. 36.7C in 1988
Yes, Australia gets warm and it often happens in October..
.. GET OVER IT !!
Posting a link to the BoM? Priceless. Temps are not unusual for Australia at this time of year. Warm sure, but not unusual.
The warmistas had better hop to it with their disaster forecasts though.
3 weeks ago we had a couple of nice late-spring type days, very welcome after what seemed to be continual months of rain here in Perth, WA.
A greenie friend got on fb with this whole wall of writing about how this rather nice warm spell was going to be the new norm and so on and all the water shortages we are not having anymore etc. I pointed out this was happening each season and got silenced – lol
Next day and for the next week it poured down and was well under average temps (the non-BOM adjusted ones that abide in 20-30 years of humans memories). Then we have gone into a pattern of a few warm/hot days which then switches back to cold/wet again – once with hail even.
If we were just to go on one of all these ‘spring’ days’ I am sure my friend would pick that one warm one – I would go for the one with the hail.
Well it has been most amusing, except the darned weeds need killing again as they are loving all this extra moisture (again the real wet stuff not what the BOM pretend hasn’t fallen) and the little bit o extra Co2 in the air. I would love to be around when/if Co2 hits 800ppm but doubt I will make it that far – if I do someone else can do the darn weeds…
I hope the MP can pull off the inquiry.
There is not doubt at all that the BOM has manipulated temperatures.
Their defense can only be the manipulations were both necessary and so obvious as to be unquestionable.
The former is a Pandora’s box of theory, statistical functions, emails, versioning and missing records. It won’t be pretty. The latter is an impossible standard, for every manipulation could have been done differently.
Peter it’s hardly warmer than it was 18 years ago across the planet. The only reason Australia is having a warm spell now is because solar activity in the last few months has been at the highest levels yet for this cycle. The average solar flux for this year is 142 sfu/day, and the last time it exceeded that level on average for a whole year was in 2002, during the solar max year of cycle #23, when the solar flux average in F10.7cm was 180 sfu/day. The yearly average for the intervening years was 96 sfu/day, of course including the lowest solar minimum in many many cycles. [sfu = solar flux unit]
Solar flux for this Sept averaged 147 sfu/day, and for October it was 154 sfu/day. See
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/indices/quar_DSD.txt
For the period from Oct 18-28 the flux averaged 197sfu/day, peaking at 227 on Oct. 23.
When Australia warmed up from this solar activity, so did all parts of the world south of the jetstream in the NH and north of jetstream in the SH, producing many high temp records.
Most of the skeptics worldwide are not aware of this – YET.
So forget about human caused climate change – it’s phony, unreal, nonexistent.
Today’s solar flux dropped to 121. My analysis of SST and solar flux from 1960-now indicates the oceans on average drop in temperature when flux reaches 120 sfu/day, and the temps increase above that level.
Your assignment Peter, if you choose to accept it, is to pay attention for the next few months to the DSD report (Daily Solar Data) and see what the temperatures do as solar flux varies. In January the earth is the closest to Sun for the year. If solar flux is high again like it was last Jan-March, when in January it was 160 [peaked at 262 on Jan 4], in Feb it was 170, and 150 in March, you can be sure you will see WARMING from that, as you did in Australia then.
It’s going to take many years for global temps to drift downward after this solar max is really over, and as the next cycle is expected to be weak, I think global temps are ultimately headed downhill in due time because of it.
Weather! What a Disgrace! Who would have thought!
It was -3c in Hobart, Tasmania. a few days ago.
I didn’t “pull” anything. There were several messages to this effect on WUWT recently. I don’t have to record each and every of such messages just to satisfy your mendacious curiosity, Peter. Some new messages to the same effect see below. Your green religious beliefs are shuttered, learn to live with it, trolling here won’t help.
Martin, for every hot WEATHER event I can find you cold weather events. To save me time you can find them all HERE (scroll down there.)
The last year it has been a terrible year for crops as they withered resulting in World food production to be at RECORD LEVELS
When you come to a machine gun fight, don’t come with a toothpick.
Martin, I see your cherry picks. Here is another cherry pick, from me this time.
Spring is in the air!
Here is an explanation about Australia’s weather. Australia is a land of various climate zones.
Yes, and the heat records keep on tumbling in Australia – it’s becoming a trend.
First ‘big heat event’ melts Australian temperature records
Australia’s first major heatwave of the warming season has broken temperature records across the nation, more than a month before the official start to summer.
On Saturday, the country set its warmest October day in records going back to 1910, with average maximums across the nation reaching 36.39 degrees, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.
The previous record for October was set on the 31st of the month in 1988, at 36.31 degrees.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/first-big-heat-event-melts-australian-temperature-records-20141027-11cczf.html#ixzz3Hkg81bO9
Martin, see my references above regarding BOM and your hot weather records for Australia. Your linked page says
Why do you think they started in 1910? What about from the early 1800s?
Do you have peer reviewed evidence that the Australian ‘records’ are caused by man’s greenhouse gas emissions?
Peter and Martin thinks it’s NEVER been hot in October in Australia…………LMAO!
October Heat
The weather in Sydney yesterday was the hottest for October in eight years. The highest temperature was 96.7 (35.9C) degrees, registered at 1.55p.m. The maximum on October 7, 1928, was 98 (36.7C) degrees.
The highest temperature for October in 98 years in which records have been kept was 99.7 (37.6C) degrees on October 19, 1928.
In the 98 years there have been 61 October days when temperatures of 90 (32.2C) degrees and over have been recorded.
Hot conditions were also experienced in country centres yesterday, the maximum temperature at Bourke being 103 (39.4) degrees, and 110 (43.3C) at Walgett. At Coonabarabran, where the maximum temperature was 92 (33.3C) degrees, dust storms were experienced.
The above is just one of 439,446 results for October heat @ur momisugly Trove.
Oops, forgot to add the date………October 9th, 1936
But thems be the BOM’s records! And we all know how the BOM is in a conspiracy to doctor the temperature records!!!!!
Cold record temps from the BOM cannot be trusted either cuz it’s all a conspiracy I tells ya!
That’s right, you can’t trust the cold records, either. They were actually much colder, but “adjusted” to look warmer. Unless they were from long ago, in which case they’ve been rendered colder to make the present look hotter.
“Climate (anti-)scientists” have corrupted not only science in general but observations in particular. Now they’re even altering the records before reported, so that further later adjustments won’t appear so egregious. For this decade at least, no one will ever know what the real temperatures were.
Martin, BOM faces a parliamentary investigation. Go to the media and tell them the MP concerned is a conspiracy theorist. It would be breaking news! You would become famous! Go on, I dare you.
Martin
October 31, 2014 at 2:04 am
“Most of New South Wales is facing very high fire danger ratings today as the state swelters with temperatures as high as 40 degrees Celsius in some areas.”
How can there be fire danger if the place is too hot for plant life? Do rocks burn in your area?
I dare propose a small correction: while describing a region where “few species live”, please, use the expression “Siberian tundra” or, better yet, “Arctic tundra” instead of “Siberia”. Siberia is huge and diverse, its area is larger than the area of the USA and Canada taken together. Southern parts of Siberia are relatively well populated with people as well as with fauna and flora. I grew up in a magnificent Siberian cedar pine forest with thousands of birds, moose, bears, all kinds of small animals, flowers, mushrooms, etc. It is a bit strange for me to think of Siberia as of a desolate place with few species. Though it is cold and difficult there in winter, sure.
While your point is well taken as to the diversity of Siberia, it is not anywhere near as big as the USA & Canada combined, let alone larger. Siberia covers about 13 million sq. km, while the USA & Canada together close to 20 million.
The world has been greening for the last 30 years, what more can you say.
I agree the world has been greening, now there are definitely more greens than ever.
Could this be any more inane?
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Cities are far warmer than the countryside. Birds, trees, flowers, bees, thrive under these conditions.
I couldn’t give you an average temp of Regina, but guess that it is a couple of degrees warmer than average. So already experiencing the average temps expected in 50- 100 years.
https://www.regina.ca/residents/tree-yard/choose-plant/trees/trees-that-grow-well-in-regina/
hell that sounded muddled but you get the gist.
I had retired at a location near sea level and about 350 miles north of the Equator and any luck I will never have to endure another winter in Canada or the UK.
Just read an account of Canadian soldiers’ complaints while serving in Britain during World War 2. The worst hardship was having to endure an English winter without central heating. This was a complaint by men who came from parts of Canada where winter temperatures often plunged to 40 degrees below zero. At that temperature the -40 Fahrenheit = -40 Celsius.
Enjoy the Modern Warm Period as long as it lasts at least until the Luddites destroy civilization as we know it.
The twenty-five year (and counting) Global Warming scare is a testament to the power of propaganda.
That’s not all of it though. Another component is the power of freshly printed federal money. There are a lot of people on that gravy train that believe more in their next paycheck than anything related to climate.
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. When Australia was discovered some 300 years ago, wasn’t it a hot, inhospitable place with few creatures and even fewer people clinging to a precarious way of life mainly round the coast trying to avoid the effects of droughts, floods and fire.
What has changed? With modern technology we can increase the numbers of people in a given space, but the original problems haven’t changed and every now and again the natural world will fling one extreme or the other (or several at once) at the inhabitants. It’s why there weren’t many people there to start with. If everything had been ideal the place would have been teeming with people (or just maybe they would have been able to develop to the point where they discovered Europe!). Why haven’t we changed the environment to make it more suitable? Because we are so puny compared to the forces of nature and a bit of shelter and localised heating is all our current ability allows.
Vic Forbes,
I tend to understand in your favor.
The greenhouse effects of the Earth’s mixed gas planetary atmosphere is beneficial to the life it helped start and which it sustained. Periods of more greenhouse effect warming have a net life enhancing effect on geological and historical timescales. Warming alarm has not been established as reasonable and has self-defeating unreal claims.
NOTE: The IPCC warming alarmism is already irrelevant. I do not think there will be an AR6 but instead in the future the IPCC will just do random smallish scope hatchet job manifestos opposing observational based non-alarming climate theories.
John
Viv Forbes,
Regarding my above post, I am sorry I misspelled your first name.
VicJohn
Physiologically speaking man is not meant too live outside the tropics, sub-tropics 23 degrees south 23 degrees north. Body temperatures are 37.4C. Unfortunately on large timescales, man has not thrived in the tropics because life was/is to easy re food and absence of adversity ect. Unfortunately man has thrived (progressed) only with adversities such as cold (northern countries, sweden germany, ect), war (Romans, germans, Japanese ect), altitude with cold (Incas ect), Deserts no water (Egypt ect). personally I think persons who live anywhere above 23-30 degrees north or south are to be pitiedas this miss out on life in a big way. ( I live 24 south and love envery second of it, nature, food heat swimming, sports ect you name it). The AGW are absolutely crazy and havent got a clue, I pity them as well. LOL
Think about how many calories it takes to maintain body weight cold weather vs warm weather. Clearly humans evolved and are meant to live in a warm world. Fortunately we have learned to adapt to other places where humans would not normally be able to live. We will continue to adapt to changing climate and thrive if only the power hungry elite would just go away and leave us alone.
A naked human cannot survive outside the tropical jungles. We die of exposure at anything below 27C without technology (clothing/shelter/fire).
The average temperature of the earth is 15C. Long term the earth has mostly been at 22C – the same temperature we heat our houses to prior to high energy costs.
22C/72F is also the same temp trees try and maintain their leaves at. Coincidence? I think not. It is millions of years of evolution. Life likes it warm.
And to top it all homo sapiens are thought to have evolved in one of the hottest locations on planet Earth – the Afar / Danakil Depression, Ethiopia.
Hot, hot, hot
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/what-are-the-hottest-and-coldest-inhabited-places-in-the-world
IMO, a naked human starts to feel cold when the surrounding temperature drops below about 25°C (77°F). At least I do. Maybe it depends upon state of nutrition. But, yes, we are definitely a tropical species whose cultural adaptations allow us to live outside the tropics.
Eliza
October 31, 2014 at 4:01 am
“Unfortunately man has thrived (progressed) only with adversities such as cold (northern countries, sweden germany, ect), war (Romans, germans, Japanese ect), altitude with cold (Incas ect), Deserts no water (Egypt ect).”
That’s a rather meaningless list. There were always tribal wars in Africa or North America or anywhere else; also, tropical diseases should count as an adversity, wouldn’t you say? Or crocodiles. Think of the crocodiles.
I concur DirkH, we know about the Mayans and the Aztecs in tropical jungles. Thrived at one time with huge cities in the middle of jungles. Before that we had Mesopotamia . Then we had Songhai, Ghana and Mali in West Africa. In fact all over the world you can find people who thrived once and promptly poof. Adversity may drive some civilizations, but you don’t need adversity to start and develop a civilization.
Yep. But you’re preaching to the choir.