Dr. Richard Tol writes:
One of the ideas that came out of the AR4 debacle was to create an IPCC wiki: Put the entire report online for people to comment and amend as needed. Wikis have two advantages:
- Anyone can take part
- Updates can be as frequent as required
Of course, the IPCC did not follow this suggestion. So I made a start.
I would proceed as follows:
- Upload the Fifth Assessment Report, one section per page
- Create links within the report
- Create links to the underlying literature
- Audit the agreement between IPCC report and literature
- Audit the quality and representativeness of the authors
- Amend the report with new findings
However, this is a wiki. If you want to use it to audit the responses to the review comments, contrast IPCC to NIPCC, or do whatever, that is perfectly fine. The second contributor, Donna Laframboise, started by adding links between IPCC authors and environmental organizations. I had not thought of that, but it is very relevant of course.
Wikis operate on the basis of a simple principle: If you want something done, do it.
The Fifth Assessment Report is long and complicated. Uploading it all will take many hours — and a correspondingly greater effort would be required if drafts and previous reports are added too.
It is probably worth it, though, if you focus on your pet peeve.
I picked Wikia. It is a user-friendly environment. Anyone can sign up, anonymously if they so want. Wikia uses the same syntax as Wikipedia. There are additional software bits that can be added if this takes off. Maps is one example. Semantics is another, which would automate diagnostic tests and uncover hidden links.
Let’s see where this ends.
See it here: http://ipcc.wikia.com/wiki/IPCC_Wiki
Donna Laframboise also has some words on this http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2014/05/11/ipcc-wiki-launched-volunteers-needed/
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“The second contributor, Donna Laframboise, started by adding links between IPCC authors and environmental organizations. I had not thought of that, but it is very relevant of course.”
Excellent idea.
“Let’s see where this ends.”
Wiki’s don’t end, they just start. 😉
Great project.
It’s obvious that stuff like this and the recent Obama climate report be subjected to public scrutiny.
The big problem has always been the fact that the IPCC and the WH have been able to
put massive documents out there without having to pass thru any kind of critical review,
and the mainstream media is too dumb/disinterested to provide any critical viewpoint.
Science is very much like a judicial system – you need debate from all sides, not just from the prosecutor or from the defense.
Great idea, Dr. Tol.
Welcome to the dark side! (:
Watch out for that William Connelly guy changing all the facts to suit himself. !
Once started you are going to have to keep a really good eye on who is editing what.
This is the final report? So the official changes to make the science conform are also of interest.
So long as the editors remain in control, and so long as they are academically rigorous this could be a good thing. If it winds up being anything like Wikipedia on the topic, it is a waste of time.
All the draft versions and revisions should be posted too.
Upload the Fifth Assessment report? All 9000 pages of it? I would not know where to begin using it. Can I suggest something that is more approachable? For most of us we find out what is in the report by reading the summary for policymakers. I think that a parallel summary that includes an unbiased treatment of the actual contents would be of use. Similarly, independent summaries of sections with key references included would really help us zero in on parts of the report we would want to concentrate upon.
Upload the Fifth Assessment report? All 9000 pages of it?
I have to second this. I have (for example) Chapter 9 close at hand, and would cheerfully upload it ALL AT ONCE for reference and comment on it in extreme detail, but surely chapter granularity is adequate. Also, one has to be able to upload whole PDFs, not individual pages, or countless errors will be introduced and will propagate. AR5 is what it is — there is a difference between uploading its objective content and discussing it. Even if one wanted to be able to amend it or make it a dynamic document, a real typesetting program and markup source would be needed (e.g. latex) — not a wiki “editor” interface — if one wanted to be able to actively publish any particular snapshot of it as a “final” result (as of thus and such a date).
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Dr. Tol:
Conceivably, we could re-write sections removing all of the weasel words and false assertions leaving science and solid clear attributions yet stripping out reams of wandering sentences and unclear musings?
Taking the AR5 Ch1 (151) Executive Summary
Could (should) be rewritten as:
Save a lot hassle, dissolve / disband the IPCC.
I suppose Dana wouldn’t contribute and I am already auto-disqualified
Wiki always ends up in controlling the narrative. It becomes the iron will of whomever controls the page, and a poo-slinging affair.
Also, since it is about the IPCC they will insist (demand) control over their public information.
Just documenting the funding sources and author organization affiliations is a great service.
Arno Arrak says:
May 11, 2014 at 2:12 pm
“Upload the Fifth Assessment report? All 9000 pages of it? I would not know where to begin using it. Can I suggest something that is more approachable? For most of us we find out what is in the report by reading the summary for policymakers.”
Yeah Arno, this is exactly why it is necessary. The SFP is not a reasonable summary of whatever science there is in the main document but rather a thing hashed over by politicians. But you probably knew that. The point in all this is that 9000 people can handle a page each. Indeed, with all the bibliography and CVs we need maybe another swack of volunteers – hey there are a lot of people out there.
Regarding Wm Connolley, he should be banned for a start. There will be probably others whose agenda is to try to wreck this as they know that people knowing the details would kill the whole corrupt movement CO2 political party.
Are there any copyright issues with explicitly copying sections of AR5 into the Wiki. I notice there are currently links and images.
As an experienced wikipedia edtitor I caution you to be very aware of POV pushers with a lot of spare time. I predict large scale vanalism by envorinmentalists with an agenda, just like wikipedia.
This is a full time job, I hope that you know what you are embarking on.
why don’t you have an edit button
Should keep The Stoat busy.
I’ve just been onto the wiki. It took me ages to work out how I “sign up” to this wiki, by which time the adverts had so got on my nerves (as they hide the content without being able to be shut down), that I’ve decided I will probably not be contributing.
I will instead suggest an advert free version using mediawiki.
Hans Erren says:
May 11, 2014 at 3:00 pm
why don’t you have an edit button
We did, for a short while. Read twice, post once… 🙂
Is there any editorial control over the Wiki? For example – I think the author CVs will be very useful. However, will authors be able to delete their CVs?
Just one example of how Wiki have utterly corrupted the facts, regarding the Australian drought of the early 2000’s
The 2000s drought in Australia, also known as the Millennium drought, is said by some to be the worst recorded since settlement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_Australian_drought#cite_note-worst-1
The reality is that droughts in Australia were more common, longer lasting and intense for most of the 20thC.
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/05/11/australias-droughts-decreasing-contrary-to-warmists-claims/
I wonder what influence Connolly had over these false claims?