Tom Nelson writes:
Bummer: If the Kochs are really spending $100 million annually on climate change denial (as Michael Mann claims), why is prominent skeptic JoNova forking over her own cash to replace her five-year-old computer?
Also, why did I just pay 100% of the costs to replace my own 6-year-old MacBook Pro?
Global gloom. Help. I need a new computer. « JoNova
Donations gratefully received. A newer monster with more memory has been ordered…
Right now these self funding academic researcher-analyst-commentators could do with support (and we could use more than just a ‘puter).
Flashback: Michael Mann: “Kochs spend 100M$/year on #climatechange denial”
Hey Michael: Who, specifically, gets that money each year? How, specifically, does that money get spent?
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I’ve met Jo and I’m privy to some of her personal details and many of the problems associated with keeping her website going, which is self-hosted. I just sent Jo a donation, and I urge others to do so too (see the tip jar at upper right here), if for no other reason than spite for Michael Mann’s lewdicrous conspiracy theory ideation.
For the record I don’t get any money from the Kochs either (either directly or indirectly) and I don’t know any climate skeptic who does.
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love your site but this is petty IMHO
REPLY: Sorry you feel that way, but you should see all the stuff I DON’T react to. Sometimes, you just have to point out absurdity when you see it, especially when you are trying to help a fellow traveler. – Anthony
Well, “truth” has never gotten in the way of activism, has it?
You’d think they’d blooming well pony up now and again. How cool would that be – to have a Big Koch banner ad on the site.
I’m sure Jo Nova has good reason to self-host her blog, but in general it is somewhat risky compared to using a commercial hosting service. The time and effort required to keep the software up to date added to the continuous struggle against DDOS and other attacks from generic hacker miscreants, as well as recovering from the inevitable hardware crashes can be overwhelming at times.
REPLY: I agree, and that’s the reason we took Climate Audit from self hosted to wordpress.com hosted (as is WUWT). Jo is fiercely independent and prefers to do it in her own style, which I can’t fault her for. – Anthony
Michael Mann is clearly of the opinion that spouting the same tired slogans and attempting to stereotype his critics as “in the pay of Big Oil” is a formula that can be used repeatedly by his fellow travellers in the media trying to stifle debate on the climate.
In my opinion Michael Mann suffers from a lack of parental love which has caused him to strike out at anyone who fails to give him the required level of love and respect.
I’ve already chipped in a couple of groats and I urge others to do so. We really are all in this together, and it would be a great pity if a voice was silenced as the World is beginning to listen.
It’s easy. Take all of the actual political spending by the Koch brothers (a few million, spread across a bunch of different campaigns and Political Action Committees), add in all of the money they “steer” through PACs, pretend it’s all direct Koch money, and then go realllllly out on a limb and pretend it’s all about climate change.
Never mind that the “$100 million” figure was in 2012, and was almost all focused on defeating Obama in the Presidential election.
To better understand Mannian thought processes, you might find this website helps:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=kcna&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAB&
url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kcna.kp%2Fkcna.user.home.retrieveHomeInfoList.kcmsf%3Flang%3Deng&ei=ei5kUfPFKemb0QW_5IGYCw&usg=AFQjCNF6RN8lYIfNXpJ6nYUJHamK0QRSoA
I completely disagree about the petty comment. If a Mann will deliberately tell a bald lie about that, what won’t he lie about?
I’ve said before that because leftists only exist high on the public hog they simply can’t understand how anyone opposes them doesn’t. They therefore have to create the massive international Guild of Evil Denier (invisible) cash fountain to explain us away.
It simply cannot occur to them that we might just do this stuff because we believe they are wrong – and are also sick of them appropriating billions of public funding to tell us we are oil-funded deniers.
The existence of climate sceptics who aren’t receiving money does not invalidate the claim that the money is being spent. Surely that is obvious to all parties?
The 100 million has no basis. Don’t even try to find one. This is typical of green organizations and slugs like Mann who ride the coat tails of the green movement. Nearly 35 years in the nuclear industry has taught me two things:
1. The majority of greens are either totally corrupt and care only about money and power and not at all about the enivironment (certainly not people other than themselves) or are too ignorant to actually think for themselves and are simply serving as useful idiots. They have infiltrated and infected some of the oldest and most venerable conservation institutions in the world with their deceit.
2. After all legitimate concerns are answered, after every niggling point has been responded to and after they’ve lost the debate they simply start making things up.
Show us the money is exactly the proper repsonse to Dr. Mann’s scatillogical claims. It’s time that Mann was called on to prove these allegations.
This is Michael Mann’s trick hiding the climate science decline by splicing MUS (made up stuff) to the public record.
Tried to donate…couldn’t get more than $1 to register. How do you donate a sensible amount?
On the other hand under the table, sources say that Al Gore only pays for the first box of crayons of the Global Warming/Climate Change/CO2 Fraud belivers and PHD’s to create those pretty graphs and hockey sticks with.
The EPA pays for the rest of the replacement crayons out of our tax money.
Its just not fair.
Drill you ruff necks, drill!
JPS says:
April 9, 2013 at 7:53 am
love your site but this is petty IMHO
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Well, how would you address a baseless accusation that somebody was funding you to ‘spread misinformation’? I don’t see why answering that by pointing out the contradictions is petty.
We can’t forget that Mann doesn’t have to be right, he just has to get the disinformation out there. We all know that Marcott has been throughly debunked, but the millions that read the headlines a month ago, who don’t follow the topic closely, still believe.
This is our challenge.
I have just paid for a few pounds of chocolate for Jo’s computer*.
What I don’t understand is your fixation on pointing out you are not receiving money from some sources or others. Most of the warmists are (or were) on the pay of the state, which forces all of us to pay for their stupidity whether we agree or not; private donations are better in that they are entirely voluntary. The correct answer to being accused to be in the pay of Exxon or the Koch brothers should be “so what?” By treating private donations as if they were shameful you are just playing their game.
FD
* Chocolate-powered computer: now there’s an idea! 😉
it’s all just part of the conspiracy to hide the funding you folks are getting…
/white smoke
Happy to contribute
Michael Mann is not an honest person. Yes, you read that right, Mikey–you are not an honest person. Lying for the sake of any ideology isn’t justified, and it only demonstrates how vacuous your character has become.
(I know Mikey visits this site and reads every word written about him, just like a bug can’t avoid an illuminated bug killer. But then, the truth won’t change his character because he’s beyond hope.)
Jo should have asked me for money. I get around $10 million dollars for each of my climate articles. I dont know what to do with it all . I’m currently using $50 banknotes as insulation in my loft. (that’s when I’m not using them as kindling to light my fire)
I understand Willis is so wealthy from the money he gets that he is using $100 banknotes as foundation material for sea walls round his pacific islands (most of which he now owns thanks to Big Oil and Koch largesse.
tonyb
I would like to see an answer to that accusation that is often directed towards the Koch’s. Do they REALLY spend millions on climate change realism and if so, to where and/or to whom? Perhaps Mr. Mann could back up his assertion? While we are on the topic, here is another odd hypocrite in the high stakes game of fingering ‘Big Oil’ for all kinds of evil – – and guess where he made his billion or so? That’s right. In Big Oil.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/meet-the-us-billionaire-who-wants-to-kill-the-keystone-xl-pipeline/article10825081/
I wonder if there are any “progressives” out there who could identify a conservative organization that functions as the Tides Foundation does for the left-wing as massive funding clearinghouse. Then maybe, WUWT, CA, BH, JoNova, etc. could all get some grants from all those millions the “Kochs are funding”.
Oh, yeah, I forgot. The Kochs have a pittance compared to George Soros, et al. <sigh/>
I’d be happy to contribute – but the link takes me to a Paypal site that can’t conceive that people live outside of the good ole US of A. Methinks you’re missing out on (monetary) support from all us Johny foreigners.
Regards
Bob Scott
PS You don’t need to publish this.