The 'class act' of Michael Mann and Joelle Gergis

Joelle Gergis and Michael Mann commiserate on Facebook via Tom Nelson

It starts out well enough…except that Kenji never signed off on the UCS report.

“When Research is Attacked” | Facebook

Joelle Gergis Thanks for your encouragement Mike, it’s been a hell of a year. I’ve just chased up the UCS report and forwarded it on through my network to get the word out. Hope things are going well for your these days, you are an inspiration to many of us. I look forward to catching up with you soon…

“When Research is Attacked” | Facebook

Michael E. Mann thanks Joelle–My hope is that this (and the UCS report) proves helpful to you and other young scientists in the field who are increasingly being harassed by the usual suspects. Keep up the great work you are doing, and DON’T let the b@$#aRds get you down!

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McIntyre’s triumph over Gergis, Karoly, and Mann | Watts Up With That?

Mann, in correspondence with the authors Gergis and Karoly, in his typical style tried to sell a collection different workarounds for the problems they brought on themselves, and in the end, his advice was rejected, the JC editors told the authors the paper was not viable, and the authors were forced to withdraw the paper. Full stop.

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Manfred
November 21, 2012 5:56 pm

The problem in climate science is that governments very quickly created tens of thousands of new high pay jobs and legions of very ordinay people were able to fill these, while under normal circumstances they would never ever have had an option for such a career.

Camburn
November 21, 2012 5:58 pm

Prof Mann has done such shoddy work that no one in the Scientific community relies on his garbage anymore. His papers are not cited….which is a blow to him. I am not sure he is smart enough to actually do good work.

FergalR
November 21, 2012 6:08 pm

When will Gergis and her co-authors released all the data they used in their risible paper so we can all see whether their Hockey Stick is as bogus as Mann’s?

Manfred
November 21, 2012 6:08 pm

Well, what would you do if your reputation is jeopardized among peers ?
Networking.

Aldous Tenpenney
November 21, 2012 6:10 pm

“When Research is Attacked” = Science
Research is *supposed* to be attacked, have holes poked in it, subjected to scrutiny. The fact they find this offensive is the whole problem. Pathologizing dissent and scrutiny of one’s work is the mark of a sanctimonious charlatan looking for moral authority not scientific truth.

Roger Dewhurst
November 21, 2012 6:27 pm

Climate shroundwavers and sceptics alike, are engaged in a
totally futile argument over questionable data, questionable models and
questionable interpretation all revolving around ‘data’ collected over a
mere 1/ 10^8 of the history of this planet, and influenced by short term
political perspective. For god’s sake consider how this planet formed
4,500 million years ago, how the crust and mantle differenciated from
the metallic core, how primitive forms of life permitted the formation
of an atmosphere containing oxygen, how volcanoes in the process of a
differentiating crust fed the atmosphere with carbon dioxide, how after
plants populated this planet the carbon in carbon dioxide was deposited
in vast deposits of coal, limestone, chalk, oil and gas. From the
beginning volcanic activity has contributed carbon dioxide to the
atmosphere at a gradually decreasing rate. The rate has changed at
times because volcanic activity has waxed and waned. The vast forests
of carboniferous times soaked up the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere
and plants have continued to remove it from the atmosphere since then.
The carbon from the atmosphere has been converted, by plants, to peat
and coal on land and to limestone, chalk, oil and gas in the oceans and
oceanic sediments. That process continues today. The tenor of carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere has, irregularly, declined to the point where
it is now sub-optimal for the growth of most plants. This has happened
because, on average, the rate of deposition of carbon in soils and
marine sediments has overtaken the rate of emission of carbon dioxide
from volcanic sources both on land and in the oceans. Many things have
influenced climate throughout the history of this planet, among them are
the output of the sun, the orbit of this planet around the sun, the
positions of the land masses on the surface of the planet which
determine the location and strength of the oceanic currents which
transfer heat from equatorial to polar regions, and changes and
reversals of the earth’s magnetic field. Of all these matters we have
much less than total understanding and over none of them do we have any
control whatsoever. Nevertheless we are beset with idiots knowing next
to nothing, obsessed with the number of angels able to dance on the head
of a pin and insisting that we, puny creatures that we are, are about to
destroy the planet by burning a trivial proportion of the coal, oil and
gas reserves stored in the earth’s crust, thus returning to the
atmosphere that which came from it.

RockyRoad
November 21, 2012 6:36 pm

Face it–Michael Mann doesn’t meet the definition of a scientist (a real “scientist doesn’t hide his work). That’s probably why he’s ignored, maligned, and discredited.

TFNJ
November 21, 2012 6:53 pm

Great comment, Roger Dewhurst.

Jeremy
November 21, 2012 6:55 pm

Roger Dewhurst +1 Nice Summary.

Tom Harley
November 21, 2012 7:21 pm

It’s a great pity that science in Australia is dominated by the likes of Karoly, Gergis and Lewandowski, when it should be dominated by Carter, Archibald, Evans, Jensen and co …

November 21, 2012 7:27 pm

Dewhurst: I would like to see a cartoon video to go along with a voice over of the summary… maybe tone it down a little for the kids. Then get PBS to broadcast it… Uhm…OK – maybe this could happen in a parallel universe.

Skiphil
November 21, 2012 7:46 pm

Here is the actual UCS “report” which is really a bunch of talking points for how to deflect and avoid virtually all critical scrutiny:
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/scientific_integrity/science-scrutiny.pdf
It’s clearly influenced by and written with cases of such paragons (sic) as Michael Mann and Ben Santer, the IPCC and the Hockey Team, etc., in mind.
Remarkable (though not surprising) how much it is a whitewash of bad behaviors of Mann and other climate scientists.
The document assumes that critical scrutiny is rarely legitimate and mostly to be evaded. In light of the sordid history of the Hockey Team, the IPCC, CRU/UEA and Climategate etc. this is really a squalid dishonest document from the UCS.

garymount
November 21, 2012 7:54 pm

Roger Dewhurst, if you could remove the line breaks in the middle of sentenced, it would be much more readable. For example, I skipped reading your comment all together.

Roger Dewhurst
Reply to  garymount
November 21, 2012 8:09 pm

Line breaks were not of my doing!

What-A-Pimple--For--Christ-Sake!
November 21, 2012 8:04 pm

“I am not sure he is smart enough to actually do good work.”
Observation: He is now and was in the past never smart enough to actually accomplish anything by himself!
OH SHIT!
Cat out of the BAG!

John West
November 21, 2012 8:05 pm

Aldous Tenpenney & Roger Dewhurst
Well put!

DaveA
November 21, 2012 8:11 pm

Attacked, scrutinized… same difference in climate science.

What-A-Pimple--For--Christ-Sake!
November 21, 2012 8:18 pm

“1/ 10^8 of the history of this planet”.
That IS the true value of the ‘Anthropocene’ and IS the value of the ‘State of the Anthropocene Mann’ the value of the Life of a one Mr. (Sans Dr.) MEM … and no other.
What a pimple this … Mann thing … should never have been born.
Spartacus

Nigel S
November 21, 2012 10:46 pm

“When ‘Research’ Attacks” = Climate Science

John Doe
November 21, 2012 10:50 pm

[snip . . OT . . mod]

Antonia
November 21, 2012 11:03 pm

The likes of Karoly, Gergis and Lewandowski would never share a platform with the likes of Carter, Archibald, Evans, Jensen and co because they know they’d be outclassed by people far more intelligent than they are. Says it all really.

ConfusedPhoton
November 22, 2012 12:28 am

“Keep up the great work you are doing” – I thought the paper was withdrawn because it contained serious flaws which even the authors had to accept.
“increasingly being harassed by the usual suspects” – the Usual Suspects are obviously in league with the devil! It is hell being green just ask Kermit the Frog.

November 22, 2012 1:04 am

Grown-ups don’t worry…They wait until the wheels on the bus fall off.
Mann has failed and he knows he’s failed because his “science” went wonky. Now hie simply waves his arms and pretends that it will all turn out OK because, well, politicians are really pretty stupid and, hey, wo are journalists,
He does not see that the CAGW train has gone off the rails.
We do.
The Emperor has no clothes.

Peter Miller
November 22, 2012 1:19 am

‘When “Research” is attacked’ would have been a better title.
Not surprisingly, Mann makes no comment on the validity or veracity of any “Research”; I assume he realises that a subject as important as this is outside his area of expertise, assuming such an area exists.

TinyCO2
November 22, 2012 1:26 am

I hope journal editors notice that there’s still no admission that flawed work has been done, only annoyance at been caught out. Seems like certain people might make unreliable authors and peer reviewers. If journals are nothing more than vanity publishing then this is not a problem. If they want to hold themselves up as records of good science they need to pay particular attention to those who demonstrate a willingness to repeat the same mistakes (or worse), especially if they think they can get away with them.
And if Kenji wants to sue me for this assessment I will make a public apology 😉

Stephen Richards
November 22, 2012 1:33 am

Roger Dewhurst + n Nice Summary.
Great rant, Roger. What the “éàç was that stupid remark about line spaces and couldn’t read it ??

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