Carbon taxing greens routed in NSW Australia elections

Maybe there is hope and change after all:

Zorro says:
March 26, 2011 at 5:16 am

The AGW promoting, carbon tax toting, Australian NSW Labour government has just been virtually annihilated in the State elections – there is hope folks.

“It’s cataclysmic, I mean it’s a bloodbath,” Mr Foley, an upper house member, told ABC Television.

“The accumulated dysfunction … is what’s driving this result. It’s an accumulated dysfunction of four years, not 16.

Full story:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/coalition-romps-to-victory-in-nsw-20110326-1cbbt.html

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109 thoughts on “Carbon taxing greens routed in NSW Australia elections

  1. Australians need to get rid of these carbon dioxide taxing crooks before they destroy the entire economy.

  2. Three cheers for Aussie good sense. Julia next I hope.
    Nova, Carter, Plimner, Tisdale, Archibald etc. will make a difference eventually.

  3. I had been considering moving to Australia. But with all the global warming politics there I had taken that possibility off the table. It may get put back on the table. Which is good because I like those Aussie hats.

    ;o)

  4. The was a report that the Labour Leader in NSW delayed conceding so as not to interupt Earth Hour. Gaia will not be mocked

  5. “And so we may say that the real message of Earth Hour this year is: it’s lights out for Labor.” — Andrew Bolt

  6. Next step: Drape garlic over crucifixes, then when Labor’s death-eating Luddite sociopaths subside to horizontal, drive political-toxin stakes through their rent-seeking hearts. Either that, or undead Warmism will rise again.

  7. vote for me and….
    I’ll shut down coal power, energy rates will obviously go up, costs of everything will go up, health care will cost more and service will go down, taxes will go up….

    …oops, sorry wrong election

  8. Interesting. The article does not mention carbon taxes. Noe does it mention Labor’s efforts to tax the mining industry (with all sorts of loony taxes being proposed). The fact that ‘safe’ Green Party seats are also in doubt, though, lends some credence to the hypothesis that it is not the tedium of incompetence that has swayed the voters (as the article asserts), but rather the old fashioned union/socialists agenda of Labor that left Australia as an economic and cultural backwater for most of the 20th Century, spooked the voters. I think AW is correct. The carbon tax played huge, and the Sydney Herald is covering for Labor by omitting mention of the same.

  9. I read the article – no where did it say it was because of Labor’s GHG policies. I hope the joy is justified.

  10. Hopefully here in Canada in our National election that was called today the Liberals, NDP and Greens will go down in CO2 spewing flames! No talk yet of anything AGW. In fact I would be surprised if it even comes up but the Libs and NDP are still true believers even if they don’t say it.

  11. Hallelujah! Dams are breaking all over.

    Read Andrew Bolt’s blog for reporting on the election. Google Andrew Bolt.

    Remember to communicate to your representatives and senators that you want strong support for the Republican effort to remove from EPA the power to regulate CO2. The vote comes up Tuesday or so.

  12. but rather the old fashioned union/socialists agenda of Labor that left Australia as an economic and cultural backwater for most of the 20th Century, spooked the voters.

    Which Australia are you talking about?

    I live in NZ and the one near us is not “an economic backwater”. In fact it’s economy is one of the healthiest around, in temporary dislocation thanks to a property bubble (caused by both sides).

    Nor is any longer a “cultural backwater”. That it isn’t cannot be linked to the conservative governments, with their “White Australia” policies etc. In fact it is the liberal left which has largely done that (they being far more into arts and cultural activity in general). You may not like it, but that doesn’t make it untrue.

    I’m no fan of old-fashioned Socialism, nor union driven politics, but in our haste to blacken the other side let’s not make stuff up! That leaves us as bad as the ecotards.

  13. Predictably,

    Government supported climate scientists will resume there calls for an end to democracy, since it’s not, in their view, capable of rising to big environmental challenges.

  14. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
    March 26, 2011 at 11:25 am

    My relatives tell me that life in Australia is rather wonderful. They are big into family.

  15. Thanks for your balanced honesty, WTF.

    You’re right. They ‘play’ the Aussies JUST LIKE the Dems & RINOS ‘play’ the U.S.A.

    What will it take for you guys to SEE the game, here? The ‘joy’ of victory?
    Julia and her ‘team’ walk ‘lock-step’ with Barry and his. They are merely pawns.
    I’ve been here 4 years, which is long enough to SEE that Australia is even more
    a police state than America has become. It just has ‘fewer humans’ and therefore,
    we breathe easier – for the moment.

    Geez… The naivete of most of you is disheartening, indeed.
    WAKE UP. They’ve planned this crap from the Start. Maybe I should mail you my copy of ‘The Beach’ – an ‘end of times’ movie – about how Australia is the last best place on earth… It was written and filmed WELL BEFORE I WAS BORN in 1957.

    Oh. And one last little tidbit I was just ‘given’ by God, let’s see if you can ‘get it’…
    ‘Have you ever heard the saying: ‘Think outta the Box”? – Well, my dears – just where in the world do you ‘S’cientists imagine those words ‘imply’ that you are?’ Think about it and then WAKE UP. ‘Cause we’ve ALL been programmed into this kinda thinking.

    And, then – If you don’t ‘speak up’ after you’ve woken up – then I’ve done all that I’m capable of doing to assist you…but, I still PRAY for you all.

    C.L. Thorpe

  16. Is it correct that “liberal” in Australia is not the same as liberal in other parts of the ‘west”?

  17. I keep hearing that Australians are very level-headed, practical-minded etc, etc. But it is in their country that a prime minister lady is blabbering nonsense about ‘carbon’ and taxes all the time. How did it get to this stage? How did it get so bad?

    How is this an example of the practical-mindedness of Australia? In fact, isn’t it an example of the failure of practical-mindedness?

    It couldn’t have happened if the Julia person did not have some support – not necessarily popular support though.

  18. WTF says:
    March 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    “Hopefully here in Canada in our National election that was called today the Liberals, NDP and Greens will go down in CO2 spewing flames! No talk yet of anything AGW…”

    Sorry. Watched CTV for a moment today and there was Green Party Fuhrer Elizabeth May – Maurice Strong’s pet – going on about it.

  19. The PM of deception says that industry wants some “certainty” on the carbon issue.
    It should be pretty obvious to her now that…

    It is certain she will lose the next election.
    It is certain that Mr Abbott will repeal the carbon tax

    So the only way to give industry “certainty” is not implement this most moronic of tax.

  20. Congrats, mates. I quaffing a Wicked Elf right now in your honor. Here’s to you……………

  21. Shub Niggurath says:
    March 26, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    “It couldn’t have happened if the Julia person did not have some support – not necessarily popular support though.”

    I can answer your one specific question, about Julia. Before getting the post, she said “No carbon tax.” After getting the post, she passed a carbon tax.

  22. Mooloo:
    ‘That it isn’t cannot be linked to the conservative governments, with their “White Australia” policies etc.’

    The White Australia Policy was initiated by labour demands for protection from cheap imported labour from Asia and the Pacific. It was the first piece of legislation passed after federation. In the words of former Australian Labor Party Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, the ALP was racist before it was socialist. It was maintained with bipartisan support, but you are wrong to describe it as a policy of the conservatives.

    There is much more to the the ALP rout in NSW, although the carbon tax was one factor, particularly in the coal mining areas in the Illawarra and the Hunter Valley – traditionally ALP, but they swung to the Coalition.

  23. I agree with Mooloo. Australia has probably been damaged least by the banksters of all the Western economies and the green/carbon/CO2 stupidities are not the whole of life. Now that the egregious Gillard and her coterie of carbon fraudsters are getting their comeuppance, life in the land of floods and droughts will eventually return to how it should be there once more.

  24. “Al Gored says:
    March 26, 2011 at 1:17 pm ”

    Sorry you had to watch CTV and see Lizzy May let alone listen to her prattle. Hope you hadn’t eaten yet! ;-)

  25. MooLoo
    “I live in NZ and the one near us is not “an economic backwater”. In fact it’s economy is one of the healthiest around, in temporary dislocation thanks to a property bubble (caused by both sides).”
    Indeed it is. And has been for almost 4 decades. But it is not the 20th Century. And the Australian turnaround began about 1980 or so.

  26. BTW, It is the LABOR Party. Britain has The Labour Party. And it was indeed Labor that instituted the racial quotas and European style unionism, particularly 1940’s English unionism, that stifled Australia’s economy and culture.

  27. Garacka says: Yes the term Liberal in Australia stands for the Liberal party which is the conservative party. The left party is the Labor (sic) party.

    This was a State Election.
    The pre election predictions were that Labor would lose but the swing of 17.1% was way above expected and what they needed to gain power.

    You may recall the march on the federal parliament last week over the carbon tax, I suspect the increase in the swing was due to the support for last week’s protest coming out in the rest of the community.

  28. but rather the old fashioned union/socialists agenda of Labor that left Australia as an economic and cultural backwater for most of the 20th Century, spooked the voters.

    Mooloo – check out the number of artists, actors, film directors, musicians that are mainstream America yet originated in Australia.

    economic backwater?? 1.00 Australian dollar is worth 1.02 US dollars. 5 years ago it was worth US 0.50C Unemployment is 5%

  29. The labour leader delayed conceding so as not to interrupt Earth Hour ?

    No surprise there. It is a perfect example of what I am hearing referenced a lot these days, that “intellectuals” put ideas before people.

    It is the putting of AGW ideology before people that is turning people off . As the understanding spreads of what the proponents of AGW/Socialism/Islam would do to curb our freedoms and destroy our western culture the pushback is amassing.

    Putting ideas before people lost them popularity, and the right to govern. And while oblivious to the reason for their rot, they once again, with no sense of irony or self awareness what so ever, put ideas before people one last time by delaying the their concession to respect Earth Hour. No class, no respect, no courtesy.

    By the way. Turn on all your lights. It’s People Hour.

  30. Actually, the carbon tax didn’t feature as an issue at all in the NSW elections, but it is understandable why some people would want to spin it that way. This is politics after all.

    Although the Greens didn’t win two seats in the lower house of the parliament as they hoped, they did increase their vote by 1.5 percentage point. This may reflect as more seats for the Greens in the upper house of the parliament.

    In my local electorate (Balmain), the Labor candidate won over the strong Greens candidate in the primary votes. After preferences were distributed, Labor got 51% to Liberal’s 49%.

    I voted Labor because voting for a right wing party is against my constitution. The Greens could have won my vote, if they hadn’t turned the climate change issue into an apocalyptic religious crusade. Worse, the Greens arrogantly refused to direct their preferences to Labor, which very nearly helped a right wing candidate win the seat.

    At the end of the day, we all had a good day fulfilling our civic responsibilities, and democracy won.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_voting_system

    http://www.abc.net.au/elections/nsw/2011/guide/balm.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/elections/nsw/2011/

  31. Good to see that there are still some Australians left who can see through the damaging ‘green socialist’ agenda.

  32. Formula 1 2011 Australian Grand Prix
    The Season Starts!

    They also pay a carbon tax?

    Listen how they burn fossil fuels.

  33. The dumping of Labor was cause by a long list of party instability, inaction, and dodgy politics. They were doomed without a carbon tax threat, which is largely a federal issue. However, the carbon tax is a big thing here.

    Firstly, our prime minister clearly stated before the last federal election that she wouldn’t introduce a carbon tax, and now (no doubt driven by the Greens who put her in power) she’s blatantly broken that key election promise. We don’t like to be treated with such contempt.

    Secondly, the government is broke, and needs to increases tax somewhere to make up the shortfall in the budget. If they can do it under the disguise of environment control, they hoped we would cooperate. Unfortunately, the voters aren’t so stupid.

    Thirdly, more and more people are doubting the validity of anthropogenic climate change.

    Overall, the name “Labor” isn’t popular here these days, and the federal issues no doubt flowed into the State election yesterday. Despite all this, we are still a strong economy, and enjoy a lifestyle equal to any of the best I’ve experienced overseas.

  34. THANK YOU Aussies!!!

    I want to turn the yellow areas of the Earth (see satellite photos of the Earth) green. And only fossil fuels can do it.

  35. sHx,….

    I can tell you that the carbon tax WAS a factor in this election. I for one have always voted Labor, until now.
    The absolute main reason for voting Liberal was because of the deceitful way in which the Carbon Tax was introduced. I cannot vote for a party, be it at Federal level or State level that thinks that this level of deceit is acceptable.

    I have many friends who also think this and have changed their vote to the Liberals.

    You only have to look at the massive swings in the industrial and mining centres to know that the carbon tax was a major extra issue in these areas.

  36. This is more than a landslide victory. It is a clap of thunder from down under.
    In Bathurst, which takes in the coal mining and electricity producing town of Lithgow, there was a staggering 32% swing away from Labor and a 36% swing to the Coalition National Party. This is unprecedented in Australian electoral history.

    The town of Newcastle, one of Australia’s main industrial ports and home of the former BHP steelworks is considered as the beating heart of Labor. They have held the seat for 81 out of the last 84 years. Even that looks like going down to the Coalition, not even dreamt of by O’Farrell.

    The same story can be told all over Labor heartland from the Port Kembla steelworks area south of Sydney, to in the Hunter Valley west of Newcastle to the working class districts to the west of Sydney. NSW DOES NOT LABOR AND IT DOES NOT WANT A CARBON TAX.

    Voters have also reacted violently to the Independents presently holding Australia’s fate in Federal Parliament. In Tamworth, Tony Windsor’s state successor and Independent candidate Peter Draper has been booted out of office losing 15% of his vote and the Nationals gaining 9%. And in Port Macquarie, Rob Oakeshott’s successor Peter Besseling has been categorically sacked with an emphatic 35% swing to the National Party.

    This message is loud and clear. THE PEOPLE FROM THESE AREAS ARE BEING MISREPRESENTED IN CANBERRA.

    Barry O’Farrell has stated that he will fight the carbon tax. Labor has said that the election was all about state issues and poor Labor performance. It will go ahead with a carbon tax. With the Queensland election next, we are in for some interesting times.

  37. As several have pointed out, and correctly, the Carbon Tax was not an issue in this election. As a state election, albeit the most populated state in Oz, there is not much we can say about that tax.

    The Labour party in NSW has been dysfunctional and apparently corrupt (aren’t they all, though) for quite some time. That is what brought them down, fair and square, as the departing premier admitted.

    Yes, the ‘Liberal’ party is the ‘Conservative’ / ‘Republican’ / right wing party down here. It is actually a long-standing coalition.

    And to those wishing to move here, I would sincerely recommend it. The standard of living is much higher than in Europe and the US. The Aussie dollar is very strong right now, so prices are a bit skewed, but when (perhaps if) it ever drops to match the others, or they rise again, it is much cheaper than Europe, and on a par with the US. The country is vast, and there are opportunities to match. Think of the US about 100 or even 150 years ago, but with all the modern infrastructure. Also consider the world’s largest ever market is just growing, and fast, right next door. Asia is just a step away, not the other side of the world. Also consider the vast resources of coal, gas, iron and sugar that that market will be wanting (to execute 100 years of development in two decades), and that we have.

    All of that opportunity added to some of the best, laid back and generous people I have ever come across in all my world travels. Best country in the world, mate!

  38. “The was a report that the Labour Leader in NSW delayed conceding so as not to interupt Earth Hour. Gaia will not be mocked”

    She was quoted as saying something of the sort but, in fact, conceded at about 8:35, right in the middle of Earth Hour. Even that gaia holy of holy Bob Brown, the Greens leader, came on air during Earth Hour, to hype how well they were doing in the two seats both of which, thankfully, they have lost (although I think one is still in doubt). However, no one should be surprised at their hypocricy since the whole cult is based on “do what I say, not what I do” anyway.

    For those saying that the result is not linked to the proposed carbon tax, take a closer look at the swings in some of the industrial and mining areas around Newcastle, which have always been Labor heartland. While the overall swing was about 17.5%, in some of these areas it exceeded 30%! Quite a message to Canberra I would say.

  39. It does not matter who we vote for they are all the same sh…. Or do you think the other party won’t come with something like a carbon tax when they need the money

  40. @ Aynsley Kellow

    >There is much more to the the ALP rout in NSW, although the carbon tax was one factor, particularly in the coal mining areas in the Illawarra and the Hunter Valley – traditionally ALP, but they swung to the Coalition.<

    I hope you revert here to read this

    Agree to your comment above, but you are missing the most cogent piece of evidence here

    Look at the seat of Bathurst. The two major population centres are Bathurst and Lithgow. The swing against the ALP was about 30%. Bathurst is generally conservative and the vote there didn't much change. What did change was the Lithgow vote – staunch ALP-all-their-lives voters actually changed to the Libs for the 1st time in their lives, and did so in droves. And what is the major industry in Lithgow ? Coal mining (I worked in the very heart of Lithgow for about 15 years). So in essence we have the three regional centres of coal mining – Newcastle/Hunter, Illawarra and Lithgow – voting Lib for the 1st time ever.

    Gee, I wonder why ?

  41. The White Australia Policy happened along when the “Eugenics Hysteria” was in full swing. There were very strict rules.
    A famous court case was bought against a Eurasian girl to prove whether or not she was white Caucasian or Asian. Asians have different coccyx than Caucasians. The girl had to strip off her clothes in full view of the court while a doctor examined her coccyx. She was determined to be Asian and not entitled to be an Australian citizen.

    During the Australian Gold Rush days of 1850 -1890, Chinese people were only allowed into Australia as guest workers. No chance of citizenship. If not working directly or indirectly for the Gold mining industry they had to be deported.

    Australia is not a backwater in the primary or mining industry sense.
    It is a backwater in politics. It’s hard to get good politicians when the cook on an offshore drilling rig has a bigger salary than the Prime Minister of Australia.

  42. Anthony, a poor article for your site. It adds nothing to the debate, it reeks of gloating and it implies something that may or may not be true, that being, that the routing had something to do with peoples’ attitudes on climate change. NSW had much higher profile problems than climate change so i think the connection that the article draws between CO2 taxing greens and the loss of government is at best tenuous. I use your site a lot to persuade people away from the rigid global warming dogma and junk science. Article like this one undermine your credibilty amongst readers who are intelligent enough to want meaningful information and genuinely logical argument.

  43. The Labor party knew it was on the way out, and indulged itself in the worst exercise of cynical scorched earth politics that I have ever seen in anticipation of losing the election. It emptied state coffers and sold off state assets (which it knew the Libs planned to sell) preemptively for next to nothing in order to leave the incoming government with no easy way to raise money.

  44. I love Australia, the country and its people but let’s face it, Australian politics is both opaque and visceral. Here, political leaders are found, groomed and catapulted into power by mostly hidden party machinery; paid for by big business and media ‘mates’. Oddly though, given the shallowness of the National political culture, loyalties run deep, there is a sense of history too, some of it pretty nasty and recent.

    I think this goes some way to explaining the popularity of the Greens. Given the choice between venal and corrupt politicians and a remote, vaguely degenerate English Monarchy; many Australians identify with the Environmentalist
    position – they love their country…but not necessarily their flag!

    sHx above, said something like…’I’d have voted Green if they hadn’t hitched themselves up to CO2 climate apocalypse nonsense.’

    Absolutely! That’s because we are all quite rightly worried when something that is: irrational, exploitative, obviously based on unsound observations and poorly constructed falsehoods, is first: Media Hyped at us using absurd scare tactics – then finally elevated to the position of Government Sanctioned Truth…then Law…then Tax. Feels a bit too close to ‘totalitarian’ for comfort.

    Our distaste for the AGW global apparatus is the same as our distaste for Religous Fundamentalist States, Communism and Fascism. We do not like being governed by people who have got BIG WRONG ideas about things. It’s dangerous.

    Few nations on earth could have been more susceptible to the Global Warming Scare than Australia. With its slow, massive climatic cycles, it was easy for the ‘Greenies’… (slightly derogatory term in use here) to hitch their message to the tail end of a perfectly natural fifteen year drought…

    Tim ‘Ghost Metropolis’ Flannery, was the chief ringleader. His numerous bizzare predictions about the Australian Climate, Rivers, Rainforest, Reefs, Bushfires, Aquifers, which got him so much attention and money just a few years back….must make him blush with shame today. Just how wrong can one man be and still hang onto any credibility? Oh hang on a second… PM Julia Gillard just gave him a rather well paid, part time job in the Carbon Tax Dept or some such nonsensical body!

    Now that the climate cycle has turned maybe the Warmists will slip from power but the struggle is not over yet. The Climate Changers are in power, they want that tax money. The rivers may be full, the desert in bloom but the huddled, urban dwelling Greens don’t care. They are believers, tuned in to their religious broadcasts. And there is plenty of material there to support them. If Climate Change is a religion then ABC is like the Choir of the Sistene Chapel!

    Another vile organ of propaganda is the Sydney Morning Herald. Last week there was an article about ‘Denial’ in which AGW Skeptics where bundled with deniers of Evolution, Aids, Vaccination, etc. Of course there’s no where to point out that what makes AGW Skeptics different is that we rely on BETTER science to refute the opposition theory…that’s what they can’t stand!…and that’s why we’re winning slowly.

  45. // Carbon taxing greens routed in NSW Australia elections //

    Your headline is worthy of the dailymail.

    Labour have been in power 16 years
    Add recent problems regarding privatization of electricity, scandals, several leaders …
    Green had no seats before. They still have no seats [although one is too close to call] Their vote percentage went up.

  46. Jerome – don’t get too carried away with praising Australia and inviting people to move here. As it is, I sometimes have to battle against about 20 people to catch a wave in the surf. I see no need to push our population higher.

  47. Shub Niggurath says: March 26, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    [I keep hearing that Australians are very level-headed, practical-minded etc, etc. But it is in their country that a prime minister lady is blabbering nonsense about ‘carbon’ and taxes all the time. How did it get to this stage? How did it get so bad?[
    ————————————————————————–
    Shub Niggurath. This extract might shed some light upon the situation in Australia. Draw you own conclusions. Same for N.Z.

    In response to a question at Senate Estimates from Senator Cameron about what role the scientific community can play to educate the general public about global warming in the face of such confusion, Chief Scientist for Australia, Professor Penny Sackett provided the following response:

    23 February 2011

    Senator CAMERON—Could I also congratulate you on the work that you have done and thank you for that work. Back on 17 March 2009 in a speech, you said that the largest single challenge facing the world was to ‘transform the world’ in a way ‘as profound as that witnessed in the dawn of the industrial age’—this was in relation to global warming. Given the amount of fight-back there has been against governments all over the world in relation to taking action on global warming, what role can the scientific community play to educate
    Wednesday, 23 February 2011 Senate E 17 ECONOMICS the sceptics, the deniers and the general public who are fed some of this nonsense continually? How do you deal with that?

    Prof. Sackett—Thank you for that question which I believe is a very important question. It is one that scientists are struggling with, I think it is fair to say, all over the world. This is an enormously important time in history, probably unlike any before it, for a number of reasons. Science is not the complete answer but science does provide a way to provide evidence on which decisions can be made. Science does not tell us which decisions to make. Many factors go into making a decision, a policy decision, if it be a matter of policy—and there are decisions that are not a matter of policy, but are individual decisions. Science does not tell us which of those decisions to make but it does tell us the possible consequences of some of those decisions.
    Because this is an enormously important issue—perhaps one of the most important—facing the world, it is important that scientists engage. I believe that scientists are attempting to do that. They face challenges in doing that. To do so, I believe they need to be clear about when they are talking about science and when they are talking about policy, and that line needs to be very clear so there is no confusion. I think in this country, and in other countries around the world, that line has been blurred to the detriment of both science and those in government charged with those who elect them for making policy decisions.
    First and foremost, I would like to see a clean, clear and continual reminder of the division between what is science and what is policy. That is what I have attempted to do, and continue to do even here today, because I think it is a disservice to both important areas of human endeavour not to do so. Scientists in every area of science are broadly telling us the same thing. And, when I say ‘scientists’, I would like to point out again—because I think it has been mentioned in these chambers before—that we are talking about all of science; we are talking about physics, we are talking about chemistry, we are talking about the science of the oceans. That is a very important message for people to hear. It is not a particular sort of scientist. It is not a scientist who works in government labs but not those who do not. It is not the scientists of one country only or a few countries only. It is scientists of all sorts in all countries, in all sorts of laboratories that are telling us the same thing. That is a message that I have great concern is not reaching the general populous at a level that engages them and enables them to ask the questions that they have in an environment where those discussions can take place without distractions of policy, without distractions of politics, if I may say. That is a great concern to me. (see full transcript here)

    http://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/senate-estimates-march11.pdf

    Douglas

  48. Shub Niggurath says: March 26, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    [I keep hearing that Australians are very level-headed, practical-minded etc, etc. But it is in their country that a prime minister lady is blabbering nonsense about ‘carbon’ and taxes all the time. How did it get to this stage? How did it get so bad?]
    —————————————————————————–
    And Shub – here is the situation in N.Z. As you can see no real difference between our
    Aussie cuzzies and we New Zealanders.

    Professor Sir Peter Gluckman has just released a report looking at how he progressed in his first year as the country’s Chief Science Advisor to the Prime Minister.

    As someone who keeps a very close eye on how science is covered in the media and has the help of a media tracking service to do so, I can say that Sir Peter Gluckman has attracted a stack of headlines in the last year. There’s been nothing particularly scandalous, nothing massively controversial. The climate sceptics called on him to resign, but that’s really a badge of honour.
    Draw you own conclusions from the last comment above!!

    http://www.pmcsa.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Climate-Change-website-printable-version.pdf

  49. sHx, DZ Alexander…

    Dont get too carried away with the Greens vote increasing by 1.5%.

    In my opinion, that is an ominous sign for the Greens. Over the last decade, every time the Labor party’s vote fell, the majority of it was picked up by the greens.
    In this case, there has been a 17% swing against the Labor party…and only a tiny part of that went to the Greens; most of it went to the Liberal party. The 1.5% that went to the Greens would have been the extreme left few that were deserting the Labor Party and just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a conservative party.

    Make no mistake, this result is a resounding comment on what the people here think of Juliar Gillards carbon tax. the clearest sign of this is what happened in the seat of Port Macquarie.

    This seat was held by an independent (Peter Besseling) whom had aligned himself with Rob Oakshott, another independent from essentially the same electorate but in the Federal Parliament. Oakshott put Gillard in power by supporting her in forming a minority government.

    While there was a state wide swing was 17%, the swing against *the independent* in Port Macquarie was over 34%.

    Why is this significant? Well, the NSW electorate judged the state Labor Party on its overall economic performance as well as linking it with the carbon tax. But in Port Macquarie, the electorate has said we are really, really angry at the support Oakshott has given Gillard (and the carbon tax) and we are NEVER going to let that happen again.

    Look out Juliar, yesterday’s election is an omen for you.

  50. Tony Abbott (opposition) has indicated that he believes that the treat of anthropogenic global warming is overestimated. The party has already stepped away from Turnbull’s support for a carbon trading scheme. They would therefore seem the obvious choice.

  51. Wow I attended the canberra rally and have some great banners on the drawing board.
    Here in Katoomba on election day my niece and I went searching for the polling booth, we decided to vote at the local school and I was so happy and surprised to see a election poster saying Quote ‘Rosa Sage does not believe in man made climate change.’
    Just after voting there she passed us by. I hailed her and she came towards us and I said how happy I was that a candidate had the guts to be open about the issue. She also new of Tim Flannery’s 1000yrs statement.
    I still don’t know if she has won the seat.

  52. What happens when the masks come off and the dissimulations are revealed.

    And, when the real policy implications of the “feel good” mottos are laid out. The proportion of people who are fooled drops dramatically. And the Left takes a bath.

  53. “Gary Pearse says:
    March 26, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I read the article – no where did it say it was because of Labor’s GHG policies. I hope the joy is justified.”
    The paper concerned is a shill for the warmers, of course there is no way they would tie GHG to this election, it may be bad for the federal Labor government. You only need to look at results from the coal mining regions to know the real truth…

  54. Jer0me says:
    March 26, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Don’t get carried away. There’s a nasty strain of extreme authoritarianism in Australia. While claiming to be laid back and anti authority, Australians are in fact sheep. Easily shorn and easy to lead to slaughter. If there is a stupid war going, we’re there. Liberty is not valued at all , it is much more important to fit in, conform and not make waves.
    Don’t get carried away about our economy either. Wait and see what happens in the next couple of years. There are no actual adults running the government and some smart decisions may need to be made. They won’t be.
    If your hobby/sport/interest happens to be shooting don’t bother moving to Australia either. The Conservatives under John Howard passed gun control laws that would delight the extreme gun control lobby in the US.

  55. Can I make a request to anyone who may attend the upcomming Carbon dioxide rallies here in Australia.
    KEPT THE BANNERS POLITE.
    STAY ON TOPIC.
    Thanks.

  56. King of Cool said in part on March 26, 2011 at 3:49 pm:
    “This is more than a landslide victory. It is a clap of thunder from down under.”

    He went on to report that: “Voters have also reacted violently to the Independents presently holding Australia’s fate in Federal Parliament. In Tamworth, Tony Windsor’s state successor and Independent candidate Peter Draper has been booted out of office losing 15% of his vote and the Nationals gaining 9%. And in Port Macquarie, Rob Oakeshott’s successor Peter Besseling has been categorically sacked with an emphatic 35% swing to the National Party. ”
    Unquote

    This needs to be translated for those who do not live in Australia.
    Messers Windsor and Oakshot are independent members of our federal parliament with no party alignment. They sided with the Labor Party after the last election to give Good Queen Green-Julia the job of Prime Minister. She now leads a minority governement with the help of the Green Party and the Independents.

    Messers W & O come from conservative rural electorates who are furious at their betrayal and who have thus risen up and thrown out their State parliamentary equivalents.

    Messers Windsor and Oakshot are now in a difficult position, having burnt their bridges behind them.
    Good Queen Green-Julia must have had a rather troubled sleep last night, having promised, the day before she was elected, not to levy a tax on carbon.
    Since the election, she has now announced that she will levy a tax on carbon.

    Our new Premier, Barry O’Farrell, before his election, asked voters for their support to send a message to Canberra.
    In his victory speach he repeated that he would “send a message to Canberra”.
    That got the biggest cheer of the night.

    This was a watershead moment last night.
    The tide just may be turning.
    We do live in Australia after all and not in a land of make believe.

  57. 4 eyes you wrote in part on March 26, 2011 at 4:42 pm:
    QUOTE Anthony, a poor article for your site UNQUOTE

    No 4eyes, you have got that wrong.
    Please read all the above comments.
    While there is no doubt that poor administration, cronyness and worse was enough to cause a change of government, Barry O’Farrell’s request to “send a message to Canberra” and his statements that he will “take the fight to Canberra to beat the carbon tax”, also carried much weight.

    You only have to look at the very strong anti Labor and anti Green vote in the industrial and coal mining areas of the state, which have ALWAYS previously voted Labor, to see this was an anti carbon tax vote.
    Also you should look at the Independents poor showing and loss of seats in last night’s election, in the areas that had last year elected Messers Windsor and Oakshoot to Canberra, to see that this was an anti carbon tax vote.

    The federal Labor party only won their precarious minority government role, because of support from Messers W & O, plus a failure of the NSW Liberals generally to win sufficient support.

    NOW, the NSW Liberals do have that support.
    We are now all a year older and much, much wiser than we were when Good Queen Green-Julia had her moment of triumph last year.

  58. Coalition (conservative) parties here in Oz have appeared to be ambivalent about AGW, I think because of fears about the votes they could lose. The NSW election could be regarded as a test for the anti-AGW position because the Coalition would probably get home even if being against a carbon (sic) tax was a mistake.

    The result shows that far from being a mistake it was a big vote-winner. This is clear because the big losses by Labor did not transfer to the Greens. I think that the Federal Coalition (the one that matters most) will now be much more bold.

  59. R James says:
    March 26, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Jerome – don’t get too carried away with praising Australia and inviting people to move here. As it is, I sometimes have to battle against about 20 people to catch a wave in the surf. I see no need to push our population higher.

    Oooops – good point.

    The Aussie dollar is so high it’s really expensive here . The politicians are so low they have to crane to look up to snakes. The beer is truly awful. We have bush-fires every week, floods every other week, and droughts at least once a month. Only one road around the entire country.

    You don’t want to live here, mate!

  60. Jerome, let’s not forget the sharks that eat anyone even looking at the ocean, funnel web spiders lurking around every bend, and those killer kangaroos!!! Oh yes, the outback where you get lost if you blink. Probably the only thing in our favour is that we have a strong public push against the carbon tax.

  61. ianl8888: Don’t doubt it impacted, especially in the coal areas, but the ALP has been headed for a horrible defeat for months if not years. The carbon tax was just another factor.

  62. “Mooloo says:
    March 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm”

    The “White Australia” was definitely a Labor Party (ALP) policy. Nothing conservative about it at all. Also remember the ALP came into power with a massive surplus before the GFC. The Govn’t paid upto $900 per person who qualified for the rebate. The ALP, effectively, spent the 10 year old surplus to bail Australia out of the GFC. The ALP believes it worked, I am not convinced. The ALP, and the Govn’t, are now in deficit, hence the drive for a new tax, in addition to the new, temporary (Yeah right!) flood tax for Queesland. As for the economy in NZ, with GST going up 2.5%, the ETS which applied about an ~8% increase to the cost of everything, there is inflationary pressure, growing debt private and Govn’t, which will lead to only one thing IMO, a wrecked economy, at the time NZ needs strength in the economy.

    “Theo Goodwin says:
    March 26, 2011 at 1:29 pm”

    Gillard said, before the election, “There will be no carbon tax in the Govn’t I lead.” The Govn’t, lead by Gillard, is now planning to implement a tax, which will have a 4% increase per year compound interest component, then a migration to an Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS or, Ponsi scheme IMO).

    “Robertvdl says:
    March 26, 2011 at 2:47 pm”

    I don’t know about F1 in Aus, but I know the V8 racing teams run E85 ethanol I think, but, to offset their emissions, they fund tree planting. That was a few years ago, not heard anything since nor seen any published results of numbers planted. This seems, to me at least, more tokenism.

    And I still can’t vote, either state or federal, due to my “imported” status. A politico friend of mine reckons Gillard won’t survive as PM much longer.

  63. The AGW promoting, carbon tax toting, Australian NSW Labour government has just been virtually annihilated in the State elections – there is hope folks.

    Please don’t post on things you know nothing about. BTW it’s Labor.

  64. UK Sceptic says:
    March 27, 2011 at 1:37 am
    NSW today, UK tomorrow? Well I can dream, can’t I?

    Well done you Aussies!

    I’m afraid it will be much more difficult to find more than a douzaine of voters in the UK with sufficient intellect to understand what their government is doing. The polls still favour the AGW position in spite of enormous efforts to change it. Most likely due to the governments publicity agents, the BBC. They all adore the BBC (auntie) over there.

  65. william gray says:
    March 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm
    Wow I attended the canberra rally and have some great banners on the drawing board.
    Here in Katoomba on election day my niece and I went searching for the polling booth, we decided to vote at the local school and I was so happy and surprised to see a election poster saying Quote ‘Rosa Sage does not believe in man made climate change.’
    Just after voting there she passed us by. I hailed her and she came towards us and I said how happy I was that a candidate had the guts to be open about the issue. She also new of Tim Flannery’s 1000yrs statement.
    I still don’t know if she has won the seat.

    William I can report that Rosa Sage, a simple local dentist won the marginal seat in a 16% swing away from Labor. I met the Independent candidate Janet Mays who thought she had a great chance of winning except for the possible reaction against ‘Brand Independent’ as a result of the current support of Independents in the Federal government in every cause they want to inflict on the populace. This fear materialised.

    The Labor spin has begun that carbon tax had nothing to do with the election. Ask just one question:

    What happened in Penrith?

    As a result of the resignation of Labor Karyn Paluzzano in 2010 the resulting by-election in Penrith led to the largest by-election swing in NSW political history. But what has changed in Penrith since then? Was there a correction?

    Not only did this margin hold in this traditionally Labor held seat it but Labor’s vote has decreased by a further 10% and the Green candidate Suzie Wright’s by 30%.
    It is remarkable that the astounding by-election result of 2010 has not only been maintained but more significant that it is further accentuated. Even more astonishing when you consider the media’s love affair with the gal from Ohio Premier Kristina Keneally who appeared ten times as much as plain old Barry O’Farrell on ABC TV.

    I can only think of one event that would cause this effect – carbon tax.

  66. Even though the carbon tax issue is not a state matter, the conservative parties astutely ran on a platform of No Carbon Tax to capitalize on discontent over rising power bills.

    It has been the biggest rout in Australian political history and it’s obvious that a lot of coal miners in Lithgow, the Hunter and Illawarra (staunch Labor supporters over generations) have deserted Labor because of this impending pernicious tax.

  67. Aynsley Kellow says: ‘The carbon tax was just another factor.’

    Like the difference between a good win and a landslide, which will reverberate throughout the land of Oz.

  68. Hmmm well the headline of this post is not quite 100% and some have rightly suggested that it may be misleading. Especially for those not familiar with Oz politics.

    I would suggest Aynsley Kellow has it about right. If Anthony would like a short post deciphering the NSW election repurcussions, he may like to ask Aynsley to do one if he would be so kind.

    p.s. To all those who are contemplating coming to Australia, let me tell you you will never ever make a better decision. This truly is the lucky country despite a string of lousy politicians over the years.

  69. stephen richards said: They all adore the BBC (auntie) over there.

    Actually no, we don’t adore the BBC. A large swathe of the population want to see it removed from the public teat by scrapping the legally enforced (criminalised, heavily fined and/or imprisoned if you don’t pay up) TV licence.

    • @UK Sceptic
      re the BBC – hear hear! So far the BBC has not mentioned the outcome of the NSW elections – it would be rather inconvenient as they might have to discuss some of the reasons.

      A year or so ago I answered a telephone survey on behalf of the local BBC services in my area which, among other things, asked me how much I would pay for the BBC local services if they were available on a subscription basis instead of the licence fee. The researcher was audibly shocked when I said I wouldn’t pay at all for news services as I found them biased in what they reported and how they reported it and I already relied on other sources for news.

  70. UK Sceptic says:
    March 27, 2011 at 4:37 am
    Actually no, we don’t adore the BBC. A large swathe of the population want to see it removed from the public teat by scrapping the legally enforced (criminalised, heavily fined and/or imprisoned if you don’t pay up) TV licence.

    Are you sure? They claim huge viewing figures. “The most watch news service”, “the best natural history and environment programs. The best weather forecasts.

    In France the ‘audio visual redevance’ is about €120 euro and the government channels, of which there are several, are not allowed to advertise after 20.00hrs. There have been some blatant interference, by the president, on those channels. There is a suspicion that one reporter was demissioned because he challenged the President too much.

    I know of several friends here (french speakers only ) who like very much the cultural programs of the BBC.

    I feel very sorry for you english people in the UK because you do not have anyone in your political circles that belive AGW is anything but true.
    No matter which party you vote for they all want to be the greenest.

  71. Baa humbug and Aynsley Kellow
    Why did NSW voters not turn to the Greens?Maybe because of the carbon tax?I know the Catholic guy was warning NSW voters that the greens want to stop funding private education,that may have had some effect.
    NSW voters sent a message to both Greens and Labor.We know what the message was to Labor(not much to do with the carbon tax),but what was the message to the Greens?

  72. I’ve been talking to some of my Kiwi mates back in New Zealand in recent days. Seems their Emissions tRading Scheme (ETS) is causing some pain, they are complaining about higher fuel costs, let alone higher food/energy costs.

  73. I am a australian right wing Extremists as the Gilard GOVT call us and we are proud of it the fight against carbon tax has just started

  74. there is a protest in sydney on the 2nd of april at 10 30 am hyd park NO TO CARBON TAX RALLY people power will kill this tax, the average Australian cannot beliveve what is happing in Australia

  75. Robertvdl… Did you actually read this document you reference? This is a direct quote from your referenced document.
    “This will be achieved without new or increased taxes on Australian industries or increased costs to Australian households and families. We are committed to incentives rather than penalties; to rewarding positive action rather than punishing Australian families, households and businesses.”

    They make it absolutely clear they plan to achieve a very modest 5% reduction in emissions by 2020 by using incentives. Not by raising taxes and applying penalties.

  76. Robertvdl says: March 26, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    I’m sorry , but after reading

    http://liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies%20and%20Media/Environment/The%20Coalitions%20Direct%20Action%20Plan%20Policy.ashx

    a WUWT reader can’t vote in Australia. The Coolition also believe in man made climate change and that CO2 is to blame. They are as stupid as the rest. It’s like jumping out of the boiling water into the fire. So who should I vote ?
    ——————————————————————————
    Robertvdl says it all. You are all deluding yourselves in thinking that a change in government in Oz (or anywhere else in the Anglosphere for that matter) will make any difference. As I say earlier the policymakers are in effect guided by the advice given by their respective country’s Chief Science Advisor to the Prime Minister or equivalent. Those people’s advice is orthodox ‘climate science’. End of story. It is ‘game set and match’ to the ‘Team’. Sceptical views are to be ignored.

    Douglas

  77. King of Cool says: March 27, 2011 at 2:53 am

    [————-The Labor spin has begun that carbon tax had nothing to do with the election. Ask just one question:What happened in Penrith? –by-election in Penrith led to the largest by-election swing in NSW political history. But what has changed in Penrith since then? Was there a correction? —-Not only did this margin hold in this traditionally Labor held seat it but Labor’s vote has decreased by a further 10% and the Green candidate Suzie Wright’s by 30%.—- I can only think of one event that would cause this effect – carbon tax.
    ———————————————————————-
    Good analysis King. AND the ONLY way to change the policies of either the Liberals or for that matter Labour (fat chance of that), is to protest directly about the Carbon Tax issue. It has to be made abundantly clear that this issue will cost them power. The Policy makers are ‘in bed’ with the ‘climate scientist’ orthodoxy and will not change. They are self satisfied, smug and sniffy academics. They treat you sceptics with ’ignore’. The only ones who can change are those who stand something to loose. I.e. the politicians. The ONLY power the sceptics have now is political –via the ballot box. If this fails ——?

    Douglas

  78. I like this:

    davidc says:
    March 26, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    The result shows that far from being a mistake it was a big vote-winner. This is clear because the big losses by Labor did not transfer to the Greens. I think that the Federal Coalition (the one that matters most) will now be much more bold.

  79. Alcheson says:
    March 27, 2011 at 9:12 am
    “They make it absolutely clear they plan to achieve a very modest 5% reduction in emissions by 2020 by using incentives. Not by raising taxes and applying penalties.”

    “Incentive” is the euphemism used by the solar and wind industry (and by every other economically unviable technology) for “subsidy”. Subsidies, of course, have to be financed by taxes, or call them levies if you will, IOW monetary redistribution is what we’re talking about.

  80. DirkH.

    I would definitely tend to agree with you overall as I think AGW is a non issue. However, in this particular case, the plan that the Coalition has outlined is clearly way better than that proposed by the Greens and Labor. The goal of 5% reduction, mostly by giving tax credits for installation of home solar panels and the like is way better than the alternative they have to choose from.

  81. GOOD ON YA, MATES!!!!!!!!!

    Aussies Everywhere:
    Fire up the barbie and, if anybody starts whining about ‘carbon foot prints’, tell them to bloody well wipe their feet before they come in the house!!!

    To all of my fellow Citizens of USA:
    Remember to call, email, and fax your US Senators by Tuesday morning 3/29/2011 to tell them to vote YES on the McConnell Amendment (Senate Amendment 183 to S 493) to revoke the EPA’s authority to regulate CO2 or any other falsely labeled ‘green house gases’.

  82. I have so much enjoyed reading this thread!

    And yes, I lived and worked in Sydney for two years, leaving permanently for Hong Kong in Dec 2010. The endless AGW tripe on TV and censorship in the press and online of any comment exposing AGW fraud or even the most gentle skeptical criticism, was, for me, a feature of life in NSW. The public knew better though, and while the Labour ( educated NZ spelling, BTW ) govt had run its course, the carbon tax was the last straw and hence the landslide.

    Australia is a great place to live but housing is extremely expensive. Watch out for China, you Ozzies, as a slow down there will definitely impact the Australian economy. The other elephant in the room is peak oil, although Australia has abundant natural gas to power vehicles.

    I have been visiting Hong Kong for 25 years and the “winter” weather has been unusually cold and long – three months as opposed to the usual three to 4 weeks.

  83. Good summary from AussieDan. Our ‘Liberal’ Party down under is the party of small business.It used to be pro manufacturing in the days when we had a manufacturing Base. ‘Liberal’ here is much closer to 19th century British meaning re small government parliamentary democracy . Today ‘Liberal’ has been taken over by leftist academic promoters of centralism who hope they will will get to rule and who know what is good for us. Politically, they are ‘authoritarian’ rather than ‘liberal’ but they manage to get away with the term because, socially, they promote sex, drugs and rock and roll :-)

  84. Stephen Richards said:

    UK Sceptic says:
    March 27, 2011 at 4:37 am
    Actually no, we don’t adore the BBC. A large swathe of the population want to see it removed from the public teat by scrapping the legally enforced (criminalised, heavily fined and/or imprisoned if you don’t pay up) TV licence.

    Are you sure? They claim huge viewing figures. “The most watch news service”, “the best natural history and environment programs. The best weather forecasts.

    I’m sure. Their viewing figures are mediocre, their output is dumbed down and abysmal. Far from being impartial their news service is biased beyond belief. They can make excellent natural history programmes but their environmental programmes are deeply biased towards the climate alarmist agenda. They get their weather forecasts from the Met Office which is savagely derided by everyone as being wildly inaccurate, which it is.

    In France the ‘audio visual redevance’ is about €120 euro and the government channels, of which there are several, are not allowed to advertise after 20.00hrs. There have been some blatant interference, by the president, on those channels. There is a suspicion that one reporter was demissioned because he challenged the President too much.

    Since I do not live in France I couldn’t possibly comment. Besides, I thought we were dicussing the BBC.

    I know of several friends here (french speakers only ) who like very much the cultural programs of the BBC.

    That’s nice for them. However, they aren’t the ones being forced, by fear of imprisonment, to pay for it.

    I feel very sorry for you english people in the UK because you do not have anyone in your political circles that belive AGW is anything but true.

    Actually we do. It’s called the United Kingdom Independence Party.

    No matter which party you vote for they all want to be the greenest.

    I refuse to vote for any party that insists CO2 is harmful to life on Earth.

  85. “Is it correct that “liberal” in Australia is not the same as liberal in other parts of the ‘west”?”

    It’s been covered before, but I’ll repeat it for the benefit of others.

    The Liberal party in Australia is a centre-right government. It was founded intentionally with the term liberal as in – small government, personal choice, individual liberty. There’s no real equivalent in US politics to this party – idealogically wise it would land somewhere inbetween the democrats and the republicans, with a bit of libertarian thrown in.

    The term ‘Liberal’ originally meant those things, but was co-opted away in the USA towards those of a left-persuasion. I don’t know how that happened, but there it is. So the difference reflects more the gradual widening between Australian and US English more than anything. Just like ‘fanny’ – in the USA it is a mild term denoting bottom, in Australia a more lewd term indicating, well, front bottom. How that happened I will never know.

    As for other posting here – the linked article is from the Sydney Morning Herald, which is about as paid-up to the warming scare as any newspaper can be. Try another Australian paper for more balanced insight. There’s no doubt the carbon tax was a factor, but not the deciding factor. Anecdotally, a lot of people wrote ‘no carbon tax’ on the back of their ballot paper just to make sure the message was getting through. And the large backlash in coal mining and steel areas (over a quarter of the population changing their vote) is a pretty strong indication of what was going on.

    So no, the election wasn’t won because the carbon tax. But the backlash was amplified higher than it would otherwise have been, in specific areas.

  86. WTF says:
    March 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    Watched CTV for a moment today and there was Green Party Fuhrer Elizabeth May – Maurice Strong’s pet – going on about it.

    WTF, she’s hysterical. “Maurice Strong’s pet” is an understatement. I was at a band practice a few months back when one of our members called her “the real deal”. I snorked a mouthful of coffee, as the guitarist dragged me out the door. That band no longer practices.

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