Tilo Reber writes in comments:
Using the May data, I now get no temperature change for the last 11 years for HadCrut3, RSS, and UAH.
http://reallyrealclimate.blogspot.com/2008/06/11-year-temperature-anomoly.html
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Even with the warm spike 1998 El Nino year included, the flatness of the 3 metrics used to track global temperature is telling especially when compared to the Keeling CO2 curve for the same 11 year period:
Here is the entire CO2 record:
It seems that at least for the most recent 11 years, increasing CO2 is not tracking with temperature. CO2 has not overwhelmed natural processes during this period.
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Hmm. One measures CO2 for the atmosphere as a whole near an active volcano?!! What am I missing here? (Don’t say my brain.)
Is this really a suprise? The ice core records show us that temperature can and will begin to decline hundreds of years before CO2 levels. i.e. CO2 levels are not driving temperature.
Anthony, you may find this of interest.
Oh, good, now we just have to wait hundreds of years for CO2 to decline and complete the pattern.
Don’t you just love the way they make the CO2 increase seem far more dramatic, simply by suppressing zero on the graph.
If the Y-axis of the graph went down to zero instead of 300, the increase would be seen in its proper perspective.
“Even with the warm spike 1998 El Nino year included, the flatness of the 4 metrics used to track global temperature…”
Tilo’s graph only uses 3 metrics. We all probably know which one is left out, even without looking, and probably for a good reason.
REPLY: Thanks, my mistake, corrected
Regarding these newest 11 Temp. Anomoly & Increasing CO2 graphs prompts me to ask the same question that Al Gore asked in AIT, “Do you think those fit together?”
The answer: Hell no!
Gore lied.
Novice question here…
When and how was the 0° baseline established from which to measure anomolies?
Has anyone looked at this in reverse? What would May’s temperature be if someone removed the CO2 induced warming which has been claimed the models? Chilly?
While this graph sums it up nicely, I think it’s been evident for about a year now that carbon dioxide doesn’t drive temperature just from weather reports and personal observations. Record cold and frozen precipitation last winter and now the abnormally cool temperatures so far this year has to place some doubt in the minds of even the most hardened believers in the global warming myth.
Has anyone looked at this in reverse?
I don’t know, but if this keeps up much longer, the Hockey Team will have to claim that CO2 is saving us from an ice age.
skepticsglobalwarming said:
It’s never really been about “global warming“, so they’ll never give up their quest to control every aspect of our lives through elitist, Socialist fiats and dictates. It wouldn’t matter if the ice sheets returned all the way down the Mississippi Valley and breached the levees in New Orleans— The Goreacolytes™ would still blame the Gaia-killing Eeeeevil SUV’s o’ Doom™ and the U.S. capitalists’ consumption of petroleum products as the culprits.
The
DemocratNational Democratic Socialist Party has the American citizenry exactly where they want us— over a high-priced barrel of oil and, thus, forcing, through overwhelming economic hardship, a change in our daily lifestyles. Thirty-plus years of creeping EnviroFascism™ has brought us to this point in history. Crippling fuel prices are going to drive the U.S. economy to a grinding halt, all the while the “emerging economies” of China and India are given free reign to pump as much CO2 into the atmosphere as their greedy little hearts desire. (How the Hell one considers the two most populated countries, with nearly half the bodies on the planet, “emerging economies, is beyond me.)So, to reiterate what I stated waaaay up there, skeptics, it’s never been about a real “crisis”. It’s always been about money, power and control over the plebes’ lives.
Mauna Loa is a volcano… volcanos leak C02
Volcano in California Springs Unusual Carbon Dioxide Leak
By SANDRA BLAKESLEE , NYTimes
Published: July 23, 1996
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9907E2DA1639F930A15754C0A960958260
Odd place to measure global C02
Likely the same folks who place all those temp monitors.
To Ultimate175.
Generally speaking is supposed to be around 14 degrees celcius.
In fact its a TOTALLY ludicrous number. The temperature on any given day
swings from about -30 to +50 degrees celcius depending where you are.
Talking about an average global temperature makes as much sense as having
1,8 children.
The temperature of the ocean is the ONLY (imo) relevant number for climate.
In reverse, an increase of 22 ppm in CO2 should have translated into about a 0.3C increase in temperatures over the period. The trend often described from the models is 0.2C increase per decade.
The graph would look very different with those kind of trends and an increase in temps would be very noticeable in the graphs versus looking rather flat in reality.
dreamin: “if this keeps up much longer, the Hockey Team will have to claim that CO2 is saving us from an ice age.”
That’s right, and then maybe the government will mandate a Hummer in every garage. You know, to take the chill off 😉
Mauna Loa’s CO2 data is nearly identical to the other measuring sites across the planet of which there are many. Antartica is 1 – 2 ppm lower than the other sites since it take a year or so for the CO2 mixing to spread across the entire atmosphere but it does seem to do so.
Don’t know how I came across your blog but I am really enjoying it. I recognized you immediately as I used to be a fan of your television weather…..I even like this blog
better! Thanks – very interesting stuff!
Peter (10:17:41) :
“Don’t you just love the way they make the CO2 increase seem far more dramatic, simply by suppressing zero on the graph. If the Y-axis of the graph went down to zero instead of 300, the increase would be seen in its proper perspective.”
I think you’re being more than a little harsh. The temperature anomaly graph does essentially the same thing. If you want a plot with CO2 going from 0-400 ppm, then consistancy would suggest the temperature plot go from absolute 0 to 300 K. I suppose you might want to adjust out the anomaly during a year, but the CO2 data doesn’t have it so neither should the temperature.
The reality is that we’re looking at changes of a few percent for CO2, less than a percent for temperature, we need the split scales, but also need to inform the reader about what it means.
statePoet1775 (09:50:06) :
“Hmm. One measures CO2 for the atmosphere as a whole near an active volcano?!!”
I believe Mauna Loa is upwind of the active volcanoes. However, it may be downwind of Honolulu. It was chosen to permit a lot of mixing from CO2 sources to the measuring point.
I suppose Kwajalein Atoll would’ve been a good choice too, but be honest, would you rather be at http://www.mlo.noaa.gov/livecam/livecam.html or http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/kwa/0pho_frm.html ?
Anthony,
You seem to be missing GISS in your collection of metrics. If you include it, the graph looks like this: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1997/to:2009/offset:-0.146/plot/gistemp/from:1997/to:2009/offset:-0.238/plot/uah/from:1997/to:2009/plot/rss/from:1997/to:2009
I’ll add some trendlines when I have a chance. I can tell you that the phrase “Even with the warm spike 1998 El Nino included” is a bit disingenuous, since including the El Nino spike near the start of the series you are calculating a trend for makes it easier to show a flat or declining trend.
REPLY: I didn’t create the graph. The choice not to include GISS was Tino’s
On a side note though, I simply don’t trust GISS any more due to the number of issues it has with homogenity adjustments on stations that shouldn’t be adjusted, and thier choice of baseline period also doesn’t make much sense. Then there is the data interpolation at high latitudes that GISS does, mixing real data with derived data in the final product. Then we have Jim Hansen trying to lobby for policy while being the gatekeeper for the science he publishes. No, I don’t trust GISS any more than I trust CBS.
Its rather curious that GISS and Hadley are diverging during the most
recent cool down. I think I’ve seen Waldo hiding in the South Pacific and Canada though – two places where the warming is most pronounced in the MSU data.
Thant should be “two places where the cooling” . . .
There’s a wiggle in the 2008 Moana Loa CO2. Five months after the record decreases in temperature anomalies of Dec-January.
Found where they monitor CO2 in Antacrtica!
Atmospheric CO2 Record from Continuous Measurements at Jubany Station, Antarctica
The Antarctic station at Jubany (62° 14’S, 58° 40’W) is situated on King George Island, in the South Shetland archipelago north of the Antarctic Penisula.
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/jubany.html
King George Island is the largest in the archipelago of submarine and subaerial volcanoes known as the South Shetland Islands off of the Antarctic Peninsula.
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/05sounds/media/kgi_map.html
Yep! they do like putting CO2 monitors on volcanos!!!!