Replicating Al Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment (from the 24 hour Gore-a-thon) shows that his “high school physics” could never work as advertised
Readers may recall my previous essay where I pointed out how Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 Video, used in his “24 hours of climate reality”, had some serious credibility issues with editing things to make it appear as if they had actually performed the experiment, when they clearly did not. It has taken me awhile to replicate the experiment. Delays were a combination of acquisition and shipping problems, combined with my availability since I had to do this on nights and weekends. I worked initially using the original techniques and equipment, and I’ve replicated the Climate 101 experiment in other ways using improved equipment. I’ve compiled several videos. My report follows.
First. as a refresher, here’s the Climate 101 video again:
https://www.climaterealityproject.org/video/climate-101-bill-nye
I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:30, where the experiment is presented.
And here’s my critique of it: Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video “Simple Experiment”
The most egregious faked presentation in that video was the scene with the split screen thermometers, edited to appear as if the temperature in the jar of elevated CO2 level was rising faster than the jar without elevated CO2 level.
It turns out that the thermometers were never in the jar recording the temperature rise presented in the split screen and the entire presentation was nothing but stagecraft and editing.
This was proven beyond a doubt by the photoshop differencing technique used to compare each side of the split screen. With the exception of the moving thermometer fluid, both sides were identical. 
Exposing this lie to the viewers didn’t set well with some people, include the supposed “fairness” watchdogs over at Media Matters, who called the analysis a “waste of time”. Of course it’s only a “waste of time” when you prove their man Gore was faking the whole thing, otherwise they wouldn’t care. Personally I consider it a badge of honor for them to take notice because they usually reserve such vitriol for high profile news they don’t like, so apparently I have “arrived”.
The reason why I took so much time then to show this chicanery was Mr. Gore’s pronouncement in an interview the day the video aired.
His specific claim was:
“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011
So easy a high school kid can do it. Right?
Bill Nye, in his narration at 0:48 in the video says:
You can replicate this effect yourself in a simple lab experiment, here’s how.
…and at 1:10 in the video Nye says:
Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.
So, I decided to find out if that was true and if anyone could really replicate that claim, or if this was just more stagecraft chicanery. I was betting that nobody on Gore’s production team actually did this experiment, or if they did do it, it wasn’t successful, because otherwise, why would they have to fake the results in post production?
The split screen video at 1:17, a screencap of which is a few paragraphs above shows a temperature difference of 2°F. Since Mr. Gore provided no other data, I’ll use that as the standard to meet for a successful experiment.
The first task is to get all the exact same equipment. Again, since Mr. Gore doesn’t provide anything other than the video, finding all of that took some significant effort and time. There’s no bill of materials to work with so I had to rely on finding each item from the visuals. While I found the cookie jars and oral thermometers early on, finding the lamp fixtures, the heat lamps for them, the CO2 tank and the CO2 tank valve proved to be more elusive. Surprisingly, the valve turned out to be the hardest of all items to locate, taking about two weeks from the time I started searching to the time I had located it, ordered it and it arrived. The reason? It isn’t called a valve, but rather a “In-Line On/Off Air Adapter”. Finding the terminology was half the battle. Another surprise was finding that the heat lamps and fixtures were for lizards and terrariums and not some general purpose use. Fortunately the fixtures and lamps were sold together by the same company. While the fixtures supported up to 150 watts, Mr. Gore made no specification on bulb type or wattage, so I chose the middle of the road 100 watt bulbs from the 50, 100, and 150 watt choices available.
I believe that I have done due diligence (as much as possible given no instructions from Gore) and located all the original equipment to accurately replicate the experiment as it was presented. Here’s the bill of materials and links to suppliers needed to replicate Al Gore’s experiment as it is shown in the Climate 101 video:
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BILL OF MATERIALS
QTY 2 Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543
QTY2 Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/
QTY 2 Globe Coin Bank
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386
QTY 2 Fluker`s Repta Clamp-Lamp with Ceramic Sockets for Terrariums (max 150 watts, 8 1/2 Inch Bulb) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluker-s-Repta-Clamp-Lamp-150-watts-8-1-2-Inch-Bulb-/200663082632
QTY2 Zoo Med Red Infrared Heat Lamp 100W
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200594870618
QTY1 Empire – Pure Energy – Aluminum Co2 Tank – 20 oz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190563856367
QTY 1 RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter
http://www.rap4.com/store/paintball/rap4-in-line-on-off-air-adapter
QTY 1 flexible clear plastic hose, 48″ in length, from local Lowes hardware to fit RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter above.
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Additionally, since Mr. Gore never actually proved that CO2 had been released from the CO2 paintball tank into one of the jars, I ordered a portable CO2 meter for just that purpose:
It has a CO2 metering accuracy of: ± 50ppm ±5% reading value. While not laboratory grade, it works well enough to prove the existence of elevated CO2 concentrations in one of the jars. It uses a non-dispersive infrared diffusion sensor (NDIR) which is self calibrating, which seems perfect for the job.
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Once I got all of the equipment in, the job was to do some testing to make sure it all worked. I also wanted to be sure the two oral thermometers were calibrated such they read identically. For that, I prepared a water bath to conduct that experiment.
CAVEAT: For those that value form over substance, yes these are not slick professionally edited videos like Mr. Gore presented. They aren’t intended to be. They ARE intended to be a complete, accurate, and most importantly unedited record of the experimental work I performed. Bear in mind that while Mr. Gore has million$ to hire professional studios and editors, all I have is a consumer grade video camera, my office and my wits. If I were still working in broadcast television, you can bet I would have done this in the TV studio.
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STEP 1 Calibrate the Oral Thermometers
Here’s my first video showing how I calibrated the oral thermometers, which is very important if you want to have an accurate experimental result.
Note that the two thermometers read 98.1°F at the conclusion of the test, as shown in this screencap from my video @ about 5:35:
STEP 2 Calibrate the Infrared Thermometer
Since I plan to make use of an electronic Infrared thermometer in these experiments, I decided to calibrate it against the water bath also. Some folks may see this as unnecessary, since it is pre-calibrated, but I decided to do it anyway. It makes for interesting viewing
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STEP 3 Demonstrate how glass blocks IR using the Infrared Thermometer
The way an actual greenhouse works is by trapping infrared radiation. Glass is transparent to visible light, but not to infrared light, as we see below.
Mr. Gore was attempting to demonstrate this effect in his setup, but there’s an obvious problem: he used infrared heat lamps rather than visible light lamps. Thus, it seems highly likely that the glass jars would block the incoming infrared, and convert it to heat. That being the case, the infrared radiative backscattering effect that makes up the greenhouse effect in our atmosphere couldn’t possibly be demonstrated here in the Climate 101 video.
By itself, that would be enough to declare the experiment invalid, but not only will I show the problem of the experimental setup being flawed, I’ll go to full on replication.
Using the warm water bath and the infrared thermometer, it becomes easy to demonstrate this effect.
Since Mr. Gore’s experiment used infrared heat lamps illuminating two glass jars, I decided to test that as well:
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STEP 4 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 10 minutes
At 1:10 in the Climate 101 video narrator Bill Nye the science guy says:
Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.
Since this is “simple high school physics” according to Mr. Gore, this should be a cinch to replicate. I took a “within minutes” from the narration to be just that, so I tried an experiment with 10 minutes of duration. I also explain the experimental setup and using the CO2 meter prove that CO2 is in fact injected into Jar “B”. My apologies for the rambling dialog, which wasn’t scripted, but explained as I went along. And, the camera work is one-handed while I’m speaking and setting up the experiment, so what it lacks in production quality it makes up in reality.
You’ll note that after 10 minutes, it appears there was no change in either thermometer. Also, remember these are ORAL thermometers, which hold the reading (so you can take it out of your mouth and hand it to mom and ask “can I stay home from school today”?). So for anyone concerned about the length of time after I turned off the lamps, don’t be. In order to reset the thermometers you have to shake them to force the liquid back down into the bulb.
Here’s the screencaps of the two thermometer readings from Jar A and B:
Clearly, 10 minutes isn’t enough time for the experiment to work. So let’s scratch off the idea from narration of “a few minutes” and go for a longer period:
RESULT: No change, no difference in temperature. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video. Inconclusive.
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STEP 5 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 30 minutes
Ok, identical setup as before, the only difference is time, the experiment runs 30 minutes long. I’ve added a digital timer you can watch as the experiment progresses.
And here are the screencaps from the video above of the results:
RESULT: slight rise and difference in temperature 97.4°F for Jar “A” Air, and 97.2°F for Jar “B” CO2. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video.
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STEP 6 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment, using digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes
In this experiment, I’m substituting the liquid in glass oral thermometers with some small self contained battery powered digital logging thermometers with LCD displays.
This model:
Details here
Specification Sheet / Manual
USB-2-LCD+ Temperature Datalogger
I used two identical units in the experiment replication:
And here are the results graphed by the application that comes with the datalogger. Red is Temperature, Blue is Humidity, Green is dewpoint
The graphs are automatically different vertical scales and thus can be a bit confusing, so I’ve take the raw data for each and graphed temperature only:
After watching my own video, I was concerned that maybe I was getting a bit of a direct line of the visible portion of the heat lamp into the sensor housing onto the thermistor, since they were turned on their side. So I ran the experiment again with the dataloggers mounted vertically in paper cups to ensure the thermistors were shielded from any direct radiation at any wavelength. See this video:
Both runs of the USB datalogger are graphed together below:
RESULTS:
Run 1 slight rise and difference in temperature 43.5°C for Jar “A” Air with Brief pulse to 44°C , and 43.0°C for Jar “B” CO2.
Run 2 had an ended with a 1°C difference, with plain air in Jar A being warmer than Jar “B with CO2.
Jar “A” Air temperature led Jar “B” CO2 during the entire experiment on both runs
The datalogger output files are available here:
JarA Air only run1.txt JarB CO2 run1.txt
JarA Air only run2.txt JarB CO2 run2.txt
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STEP 7 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using a high resolution NIST calibrated digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes
In this experiment I use a high resolution (0.1F resolution) and NIST calibrated data logger with calibrated probes. Data was collected over my LAN to special software. This is the datalogger model:
Data sheet: Model E Series And the software used to log data is described here
Here’s the experiment:
I had to spend a lot of time waiting for the Jar “B” probe to come to parity with Jar “A” due to the cooling effect of the CO2 I introduced. As we all know, when a gas expands it cools, and that’s exactly what happens to CO2 released under pressure. You can see the effect early in the flat area of the graph below.
Here’s the end result screencap real-time graphing software used in the experiment, click the image to expand the graph full size.
RESULTS:
Peak value Jar A with air was at 18:04 117.3°F
Peak value Jar B with CO2 was at 18:04 116.7°F
Once again, air led CO2 through the entire experiment.
Note that I allowed this experiment to go through a cool down after I turned off the Infrared heat lamps, which is the slope after the peak. Interestingly, while Jar “A” (probe1 in green) with Air, led Jar “B” (Probe 2 in red) with CO2, the positions reversed shortly after the lamps turned off.
The CO2 filled jar was now losing heat slower than the plain air jar, even though plain air Jar “A” had warmed slightly faster than the CO2 Jar “B”.
Here’s the datalogger output files for each probe:
Climate101-replication-Probe01-(JarA – Air).csv
Climate101-replication-Probe02-(JarB – CO2).csv
Climate101-replication-Probe03-(Ambient Air).csv
What could explain this reversal after the lamps were turned off? The answer is here at the Engineer’s Edge in the form of this table:
Heat Transfer Table of Content
This chart gives the thermal conductivity of gases as a function of temperature.
Unless otherwise noted, the values refer to a pressure of 100 kPa (1 bar) or to the saturation vapor pressure if that is less than 100 kPa.
The notation P = 0 indicates the low pressure limiting value is given. In general, the P = 0 and P = 100 kPa values differ by less than 1%.
Units are milliwatts per meter kelvin.
Note the values for Air and for CO2 that I highlighted in the 300K column. 300K is 80.3°F.
Air is a better conductor of heat than CO2.
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So, here is what I think is going on with Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment.
- As we know, the Climate101 video used infrared heat lamps
- The glass cookie jars chosen don’t allow the full measure of infrared from the lamps to enter the center of the jar and affect the gas. I showed this two different ways with the infrared camera in videos above.
- During the experiments, I showed the glass jars heating up using the infrared camera. Clearly they were absorbing the infrared energy from the lamps.
- The gases inside the jars, air and pure CO2 thus had to be heated by secondary heat emission from the glass as it was being heated. They were not absorbing infrared from the lamps, but rather heat from contact with the glass.
- Per the engineering table, air is a better conductor of heat than pure CO2, so it warms faster, and when the lamps are turned off, it cools faster.
- The difference value of 2°F shown in the Climate 101 video split screen was never met in any of the experiments I performed.
- The condition stated in the Climate 101 video of “Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.” was not met in any of the experiments I performed. In fact it was exactly the opposite. Air consistently warmed faster than CO2.
- Thus, the experiment as designed by Mr. Gore does not show the greenhouse effect as we know it in our atmosphere, it does show how heat transfer works and differences in heat transfer rates with different substances, but nothing else.
Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment is falsified, and could not work given the equipment he specified. If they actually tried to perform the experiment themselves, perhaps this is why they had to resort to stagecraft in the studio to fake the temperature rise on the split screen thermometers.
The experiment as presented by Al Gore and Bill Nye “the science guy” is a failure, and not representative of the greenhouse effect related to CO2 in our atmosphere. The video as presented, is not only faked in post production, the premise is also false and could never work with the equipment they demonstrated. Even with superior measurement equipment it doesn’t work, but more importantly, it couldn’t work as advertised.
The design failure was the glass cookie jar combined with infrared heat lamps.
Gore FAIL.
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UPDATE: 4PM PST Some commenters are taking away far more than intended from this essay. Therefore I am repeating this caveat I posted in my first essay where I concentrated on the video editing and stagecraft issues:
I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.
No broader take away (other than the experiment was faked and fails) was intended, expressed or implied – Anthony




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So here’s the situation, Tony. Human consumption of fossil fuels produces about 35 billion metric tonnes of CO2 exhaust every year. Of that, about half becomes a permanent addition to the atmosphere. Total CO2 in the atmosphere is up from 2,175 billion tonnes, before the Industrial Revolution, to more than 3,100 billion tonnes, now, and it’s rising by about 160 billion tonnes a decade.
Those who defend fossil fuels assert that this increase can continue, safely, for as long as we like.
Here’s why that’s probably wrong. The Earth’s natural cooling system offsets the heat the Earth gets from the sun, every day, by attempting to radiate an equivalent amount of energy back into space, every day, using the whole infrared spectrum. Carbon dioxide molecules are transparent to IR photons in most wavelengths but not in ALL wavelengths. The more CO2 the atmosphere accumulates, the more difficult it is for the Earth to radiate as much energy back into space as it receives from the sun. Each day’s retained heat gets added to the retained heat from the previous two centuries of fossil fuel combustion.
As the Earth warms, it generates more IR radiation in all wavelengths. If enough IR gets into space to offset the daily heat received from the sun, heat balance will be restored, but the only reason it has gotten restored is that the Earth has gotten warmer and now radiates more IR into space than it did before. But still the CO2 concentration rises, and still it blocks IR radiation in certain key wavelengths.
Why should we worry about rising CO2 and its rising ability to block outbound IR radiation? There are three possibilities. 1) Rising CO2 has no effect on outbound IR and we don’t have to worry. 2) Rising CO2 used to have an effect, but now the effect is so strong it can’t get any stronger. 3) Rising CO2 continues to have an effect, and the more CO2 the atmosphere acquires, the stronger the effect becomes.
Which reality do satellite measurements of IR radiation confirm? 1) Are there no wavelengths affected by CO2? No. Satellite measurements confirm a strong CO2 effect in certain wavelengths, of which the most prominent is at the 15 micron wavelength. There’s not nearly as much IR energy being radiated into space at that wavelength as there is at other wavelengths to which CO2 is transparent.
2) Has CO2 gotten so strong that IR radiation at 15 microns has gone to zero? No further effect to be expected? No. Satellite measurements show weaker IR radiation into space at 15 microns, but it hasn’t gone to zero.
3) Has IR radiation been suppressed to some extent in the 15 micron band, but not completely suppressed? Yes. That’s what satellite measurements show. In other words, CO2 has an effect. It prevents the Earth from achieving heat balance if it remains at its traditional average temperature. Only if the Earth gets warmer will it produce enough outbound IR to offset the daily energy received from the sun.
And the effect has yet to reach saturation. The more CO2 we humans add, the more the atmosphere suppresses the amount of IR energy being radiated into space, in the wavelengths affected by CO2. The Earth will continue to warm, as CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere, because that’s the way heat balance physics works.
One can see this on images of the infrared spectrum available by Googling the infrared spectrum on the Images function of Google. It’s suppressed in the wavelengths affected by CO2 but it isn’t shut down entirely. There’s room for more CO2 to create even more restriction. And for more restriction to cause a further rise in temperature. And for that further rise in temperature to do its part to nudge the Earth back toward heat balance.
So here’s the reality. The more CO2 we humans add, the more interference we create with outbound InfraRed. The Earth’s natural cooling systems continues to underperform. The Earth continues to get warmer.
You’ve been intentionally misled by people who don’t want you – or millions like you – to realize that the ongoing consumption of fossil fuels creates an endless increase in total atmospheric CO2. And an ongoing interference with the Earth’s natural cooling system. The burden of proof is on those who defend fossil fuels, to show that rising temperatures will never ever be harmful. And their proof standard is high. They have to show that fossil fuels have a ninety to one hundred percent risk-free profile, no matter how much we humans consume. That’s the modeling of which you should be suspicious, the denialist claim that endless increases in CO2 won’t affect temperature or climate. It’s an unprovable claim. The probability of rising damage is not only real, it’s significant
Can those who want humanity to burn fossil fuels indemnify the world against all the damages that rising temperatures and shifting climates might cause? No. They can’t, and even if they could, they’d refuse. They’d create imaginary models that pretend to prove they don’t need to. Given the laws of physics, and how the Earth’s natural cooling system actually operates, their position has very little credibility. The denialists are the ones with the imaginary models.
Given all this I have a question…why the ice ages?
Dear Mr. jonhson. I see that you know a lot of data about the CO2 emissions in the Earth’s atmosphere, such as how many tons of this gas are produced by human activity on our planet. You say that the burning of fossil fuels is 35 billion metric tons per year, which are added to the atmosphere. You also said that currently there are 3,100 billion metric tons of CO2 in our atmosphere. These tons are a measure of mass, right? In this case, I wonder how many metric tons weighs the Earth’s atmosphere, if this data exists, what is this number?
The long term answer given by geologists has to do with continental drift and the effect of having a continent at the south pole and a closed ocean at the north pole.
The shorter-term answer has to do with three different kinds of orbital variations, first identified by a scientist named Milankovitch in the late thirties, early forties.
There’s an ellipticality cycle. Sometimes the Earth’s orbit is only half a percent out of round, as it is now; sometimes it’s five percent out of round. When it’s five percent out of round there’s a part of the year when solar intensity falls off considerably.
There’s a “precession” cycle, that has to do with the position of the solstices on the Earth’s elliptical orbit. Just now, our winter solstice hits a few weeks before the perihelion of the Earth’s orbit, the point at which the Earth is closest to the sun. This gives the northern hemisphere a relatively warmer winter. When the winter solstice drifts to the other side of the Earth’s orbit, so that the Earth is farther from the sun, this gives the northern hemisphere a colder winter.
There’s also a tilt cycle. The tilt of the Earth’s axis varies by about three degrees. The greater the tilt, the colder the northern hemisphere’s winter.
These have different periods. From memory their periods range from 25,000 years to 40,000 to 100,000. (Read Wikipedia about Milankovitch cycles to get the exact figures.) When the ellipticality cycle puts the Earth a longer distance from the sun at one end of the orbit, and the precession cycle puts the winter solstice at the far end of the ellipse instead of the close end, northern hemisphere ice sheets grow larger and larger. Sea levels fall. When those conditions reverse, ice sheets go into retreat and sea levels rise again. It’ll be quite a long time before the orbital conditions bring the world back toward another ice age. Or as the scientists say, out of our current interglacial period into another glacial period.
So, now that you have two Anchor Hocking cookie jars going to waste, why don’t you do your own experiment. Instead of stupid toy globes, use a well-packed kg of backyard dirt patted down evenly on the bottom of each jar. Instead of using a 100 W infra red, use a 500 W incandescent lamp. Put the two high quality electronic thermometers in there. Fill one jar with CO2. Turn on the lights. See what happens. If there is anything else you can think of to make the experiment “more real” incorporate that as well.
I’m still waiting on all of those massive hurricanes 🙂
I would like to see this same approach applied to how CO2 and IR radiation centered around 15 microns can warm the oceans. IR can’t and won’t warm the oceans, especially around 15 microns. Also, can someone explain to me how CH4 or methane is a GHG? Where is the dipole?
Infrared doesn’t warm the Earth. The sun warms the Earth. Infrared radiated by the Earth into space cools the Earth. Under ideal conditions, heat carried away by IR fully offsets heat received from the sun. But now atmospheric CO2 is 43% higher than it had been before the Industrial Revolution got under way, and it’s rising 7% a decade. Adding CO2 weakens the Earth’s natural cooling system by reducing the total amount of IR that escapes from the Earth’s atmosphere.
Oceans aren’t warmed by infrared. But if infrared doesn’t escape as well as it used to, it won’t be quite as effective at cooling the oceans as it used to be.
Abe, you’re letting yourself be distracted. What we face is a fossil fuel risk question. Continued burning of fossil fuels has raised atmospheric CO2 by 43% versus the pre-industrial norm. And it’s climbing by about 7% a decade. Can we be sure that the consequences of this change will always be safe and mild?
The default argument is that we can’t be sure it’s safe to follow such a path. It’s an argument that was made in the late 1800s by a Nobel-prize winning Swedish scientist. It was made again in 1915 by Alexander Graham Bell.
What’s at stake is the heat balance of the Earth. For the temperature of the Earth to remain stable, Energy OUT has to equal Energy IN. The Earth cools itself by radiating infrared energy into space. If it radiates as much energy into space (across the long infrared spectrum) as it receives from the sun (in the ultraviolet-visible light-short infrared spectrum), then the average temperature of the Earth remains stable.
If higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere suppress Energy OUT, by blocking outbound infrared photons more effectively, then a difference arises between Energy OUT and Energy IN. That difference is cumulative. Current temperature measurements suggest a rise of 0.16 C every decade, or thereabouts.
The burden of proof is on those who say that rising temperatures are safe. There’s a good deal of evidence that’s been accumulated from around the globe, by hundreds of climate scientists, suggesting any number of intensifying risk factors. Just count the dead firefighters out west.
There’s one more major part to the risk issue – climate change. Small shifts in the average global temperature can produce significant shifts in local climate behavior. Some of those shifts amplify the damage and increase the risk. Switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy at the fastest reasonable pace is a much smarter move than sitting on our hands and daring the Earth’s climate to do its worst.
For myself, my wife and I have just replaced our natural gas furnace with a geothermal heat pump. We also buy wind-generated electricity. So our home no longer uses any fossil fuels. The shift to a renewable energy future is not only the responsible thing to do, it’s a pretty cool improvement on where we were before.
Anthony, noting that CO2 has a lower thermal conductivity than Argon, perhaps they should be using CO2 to fill between panes on thermal windows.
I’m not a scientist but I would like to believe that given evidence that goes against something I have taken as true, I would be capable of changing my mind. Of course that assumes I have the wisdom to make a good judgements on what is “true”. Anyway I am more interested in trying to get a basic understanding than I am in characterizing other’s work.
My understanding of Abe’s argument is that CO2 acts like a planetary insulator and thereby prevents some infrared energy from hitting the Earth or heating the planet at the same time it is preventing heat from escaping on the planet side – Another way of saying it is because less energy is hitting the Earth to begin with, the amount of energy that needs to be released in order to maintain temperature equilibrium is also reduced.
So I did a search to see how CO2 functions when hit with infrared light and found this:
http://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxide-absorbs-and-re-emits-infrared-radiation
So my take is that when the CO2 re-emits an infrared photon radiated from the Earth (headed away from the planet into space), the direction of the emission may change and wind up re-radiating the photon back to Earth. So instead of the heat contained in the photon escaping into space (cooling) a percentage of the photons stick around in the atmosphere which has the effect of adding to the heat contained within the atmosphere.
It also occurred to me that the CO2 molecules are unlike an insulating blanket around the Earth because they are already inside the atmosphere. Since they absorb and re-emit photons, radiative energy hitting them from the outside would not necessarily be reflected back into space but may radiate at least a portion of energy back to earth or to other CO2 molecules, which may radiate it back to earth or remaining in the atmosphere and causing an increase in temperature.
From basic chemistry the ideal gas law (PV=NRT) always applies within a closed system, I am not convinced that Earth’s atmosphere can be considered a closed system. Gases are constantly being added that were previously not in a gaseous state and the energy is in a constant state of flux being influenced from internal sources as well as the sun.
conductive energy removal? conducted into the vacuum of space? And absorbed by what?
The carbon dioxide level is less than 0.5% of the Earth’s atmosphere, not 100% as in Bill Nye’s demonstration of basic physics of a carbon dioxide molecule.
And Earth’s climate is much more complicated than a bell jar and a IR lamp.
A true physicist: Julius Sumner Miller: Why is it so?
Professor Sumner Miller was always entertaining – a true physicist. One wonders what he would make of the climate change debate.
I don’t understand your point. The video never says that they’re doing the experiment and showing you what they’re doing. They are obviously giving a terse, condensed overview of how the experiment should be done, with little visual enhancements like the globes with thermometers tied to them and the two thermometers going up.
Apparently you thought that they were actually performing the experiment and launched into a long and painful discussion of why it couldn’t have worked. Of course it couldn’t; they weren’t doing the experiment, and never said that they were. Why in the world did you think that, and why put so much effort into disproving something that they never claimed?
That’s easy, bobmunck. Because it was _presented_ to the world _as_ the “easily replicated experiment” (as Dr. McCoy said– “…So simple… A _child_ could do it. A _CHILD_ could do it!!!”).
So he proved it wasn’t so.
Perception is everything, when it comes to politics and policy. So they change your _perception_, facts be-damned.
“Because it was _presented_ to the world _as_ the “easily replicated experiment”
Yes, that’s one of the ways they described the experiment.
“A _CHILD_ could do it!!!”
And that’s another. But they never claimed they were actually DOING the experiment. Anthony Watts just really wanted to feel superior to Gore and Nye and to fool other people into thinking he was. I’d imagine that’s true of you too; it seems to be a widespread compulsion among Deniers.
“So he proved it wasn’t so.”
The experiment itself is at a level that one would expect at a 7th or 8th grade science fair.
Funny, you’ve nothing to say here except to toss out a pejorative. How sad for you.
Well, I did point out that your entire article is based on a misapprehension — that Gore and Nye were actually attempting to do the experiment, not just illustrate an overview of how it would be done. Of course that means all the work you put into your entire article here and all the others is wasted; how sad for you.
But of course you’re a Denier, and the world has long since realized that there’s no point in paying any attention to any of you. EVERYTHING you do is wasted.
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(First and last warning: labeling people as “Deniers” is not acceptable here, per written site Policy. -mod [not Anthony] )
That doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen in any other way, say CO₂ rising and causing the temperature to rise. We’ve never had a world-wide technological civilization before, spewing gigatons of CO₂ into the atmosphere. You can’t draw conclusions based on the distant past when circumstances are different than they’ve ever been before.
bobmunck
CO2 did NOT rise between 1650 and 1880, and temperatures rose significantly.
CO2 did NOT rise significantly between 1880 and 1940, and temperatures rose significantly.
CO2 DID rise measurably between 1940 and 1976, and temperatures fell slightly.
Well, CO2 rose measurably and significantly the past 20 years.
And global average temperatures did NOT rise.
Your assumptions are proved wrong.
So there could be other causes? That’s quite true.
Yeah, they did. You’re using disproven data.
Your reference contradicts your claim. Perhaps you should read it.
The earth is warming. Has it ever been warmer or cooler than it is now? Pretty sure over the four billion year life of the earth the answer is yes. Given that, how can a reasonable person come to believe that the temps man has experienced over the relatively short time of his existence are the norm and that they won’t change? I don’t think there is much we can do to effect what will happen naturally.
No, it says “Global mean surface temperatures … have been relatively flat over the most recent 15 years to 2013.” Global warming is about the warming of the biosphere, not just the air near the surface of the Earth. Your reference goes on to explain that the ocean (which is part of the biosphere) has continued to warm at the rate predicted by the AGW modeling. It gives pointers to three papers that explain this in greater depth. As I said, your own reference contradicts your argument.
Note, too, that your reference is about temperatures, not warming. Warming does not always involve a change in temperature; if you add a large amount of thermal energy to ice at 0°C, you get water at 0°C; no change in temperature, but a great deal of heating has happened. The same is true when water goes from liquid to gaseous, except a lot MORE heat is needed — that’s why sweating works so well for us.
In fact, physics, applied math, and computer science at Brown University. I also was on the faculty there for a number of years.
I don’t know what to make of the rest of your comment; very little of it seems to be in English. Perhaps you could find an American or Brit to help you translate it from your language.
Brave words, coming from someone who doesn’t even know how to make <blockquote> work.
Universities charge students about $5,000 to take a course from me. I doubt you could even manage to be admitted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXL7N27g17Q watch this guy’s videos and do your own research before coming to conclusions.
This is an awesome article especially with all the comments. I learned a lot and I haven’t even read a fifth of this yet. This also allows me to do some social analysis. Climate change sadly has been divided by a political line between progressive and conservative. Many of my friends say that you can tell who is wrong by how they behave and the language they use to explain or retort another’s arguments. I am going to take the number of obscenities and vulgar phrases used by both sides of the argument to determine which side is either more or less offensive with their comments. Lol.
All the climate change talk reminds me of a quote from a “Prager University” video on youtube, The right questions “does it do good”, and the left, “does it feel good”. The left suggests all these “green” energy that feels good, but in reality is more expensive and less energy efficient. The right still promotes the fossil fuels as a cheep, efficient fuel that does good.
But anyway, this experiment shows basic thermal conductivity of gases, not the infrared absorption of CO2, which is a part of how CO2 affects our atmosphere. Bill Nye, like many other “science communicators”, often overgeneralize an observation and misrepresent the cause. Unfortunately, he has had his scientific knowledge biased by politically-motivated research into climate change. (That alliteration of “he has had his” might make some English teacher get a boner somewhere (just don’t message me if that actually happens).)
If we can get politics out of climate research so some actual data and results, unskewed by political agendas, could come out and actually be useful, and get rid of the whole name-calling of “climate-denier” to anyone who needs more & better evidence before going crazy, thinking the world is gonna end, then we can finally get some actual progress in our knowledge of the climate and all the factors affecting it’s change.
On the Mythbusters experiment. They did not specify materials and has a lack of monitoring on mixtures of gases used. Like- they did not have a spectrum output profile of the lights used, the temperature of the air in the chambers, the material of the clear covering of the boxes, the purity of the ice and circulating fans.
The lack of controls and calibrations was glaring. It wasn’t even junior college level science.
[snip] We can measure the CO2 increase of temperature in a laboratory environment it comes out to 4W/m^-2/250ppm or 4 watts per meter squared per 250 parts per million.
If your “experiment” in a glass jar doesn’t prove this it’s because [snip].
[Shouting at people and calling them idiots isn’t useful . . perhaps you have a better experiment that shows the result you are looking for, in which case share it. Nobody has yet seen such an experiment so you could be the first in the field. . . mod]
After a 14u photon is absorbed by a CO2 molecule it either shakes the molecule or it moves electrons into higher orbitals and re-emits the photon. If it shakes the molecule, its kinetic energy can be transferred to nearby H2O molecules or other molecules by conduction. This should warm the H2O molecules and raise–by convection–the WVEL (water vapor emitting layer), meaning that the photons leaving the water vapor for space are coming from a higher level in the atmosphere. But, it has been found that the WVEL has actually lowered. Why is this?
Everyone should read the most thorough thesis on this whole issue written by Tscheuschner and Gerlich, “Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics” , available for free on the internet. It is a difficult paper by two physicists with expertise in thermodynamics and thermodynamic modeling. If the physics and math boggles your mind, just go to the conclusions starting on page 90 (yes, this work is 115 pages). It also contains valuable and perceptive comments on climate science and climate modeling.