Curious Tilt of the Sun Traced to Undiscovered Planet
Planet Nine—the undiscovered planet at the edge of the Solar System that was predicted by the work of Caltech’s Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown in January 2016—appears to be responsible for the unusual tilt of the sun, according to a new study.
The large and distant planet may be adding a wobble to the solar system, giving the appearance that the sun is tilted slightly.
“Because Planet Nine is so massive and has an orbit tilted compared to the other planets, the solar system has no choice but to slowly twist out of alignment,” says Elizabeth Bailey, a graduate student at Caltech and lead author of a study announcing the discovery.
All of the planets orbit in a flat plane with respect to the sun, roughly within a couple degrees of each other. That plane, however, rotates at a six-degree tilt with respect to the sun—giving the appearance that the sun itself is cocked off at an angle. Until now, no one had found a compelling explanation to produce such an effect. “It’s such a deep-rooted mystery and so difficult to explain that people just don’t talk about it,” says Brown, the Richard and Barbara Rosenberg Professor of Planetary Astronomy.
Brown and Batygin’s discovery of evidence that the sun is orbited by an as-yet-unseen planet—that is about 10 times the size of Earth with an orbit that is about 20 times farther from the sun on average than Neptune’s—changes the physics. Planet Nine, based on their calculations, appears to orbit at about 30 degrees off from the other planets’ orbital plane—in the process, influencing the orbit of a large population of objects in the Kuiper Belt, which is how Brown and Batygin came to suspect a planet existed there in the first place.

“It continues to amaze us; every time we look carefully we continue to find that Planet Nine explains something about the solar system that had long been a mystery,” says Batygin, an assistant professor of planetary science.
Their findings have been accepted for publication in an upcoming issue of the Astrophysical Journal, and will be presented on October 18 at the American Astronomical Society’s Division for Planetary Sciences annual meeting, held in Pasadena.
The tilt of the solar system’s orbital plane has long befuddled astronomers because of the way the planets formed: as a spinning cloud slowly collapsing first into a disk and then into objects orbiting a central star.
Planet Nine’s angular momentum is having an outsized impact on the solar system based on its location and size. A planet’s angular momentum equals the mass of an object multiplied by its distance from the sun, and corresponds with the force that the planet exerts on the overall system’s spin. Because the other planets in the solar system all exist along a flat plane, their angular momentum works to keep the whole disk spinning smoothly.
Planet Nine’s unusual orbit, however, adds a multi-billion-year wobble to that system. Mathematically, given the hypothesized size and distance of Planet Nine, a six-degree tilt fits perfectly, Brown says.
The next question, then, is how did Planet Nine achieve its unusual orbit? Though that remains to be determined, Batygin suggests that the planet may have been ejected from the neighborhood of the gas giants by Jupiter, or perhaps may have been influenced by the gravitational pull of other stellar bodies in the solar system’s extreme past.
For now, Brown and Batygin continue to work with colleagues throughout the world to search the night sky for signs of Planet Nine along the path they predicted in January. That search, Brown says, may take three years or more.
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..Well then, doesn’t that mean “Planet 9” can be blamed for all the recent “Climate Change” ??
Yes it can. The large planets affect sun spot cycles, and going upstream to the sources, these large planets are creating various periodicites of temperature cycles we see in climate. It is entirely possible going back to all the major planet ranges and perhaps angles to earth create all the observed climate periods we see, very long cycles from very long orbital periodicites of big planets. At certain times, they may coincide by summing or negating sun radiance we receive. Ice Ages suddenly showing up unexpectedly anyone?
However, it appears to me to be little than another hypothesis.
It may well be that the mass, distance and orbit of such a body may be consistant with this “curious tilt of the sun” but it may not be the only explanation.
This is similar to the “Anthropogenic CO2 causes Global Warming” hypothesis.
It is unlikely that this hypothesis is true or better than the null hypothesis,( Global warming is natural), because, not only have we had historical warmings of greater magnitude when anthropgenic CO2 could not be a factor, but projections of further warming currently being compared with observed (empirical) data are proving wildly inaccurate.
Similarly the “curious tilt of the sun” may fit the criteria provided by this “9th planet” but some empirical data would be useful.
The best data I can think of is to view this planet and calculate its orbit.
Go for it Brown and Batygin, hope your 3 years will not be wasted.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
Pure unadulterated bullshit. Mindless inanity.
Are you sure it isn’t Plan 9 from Outer Space?
Planet x lol, was predicted LONG before 2016
Now we see the real reason for demotion of Pluto.
Astronomers has spent so much time ridiculing the idea of there being a tenth planet ( planet X ) that they could not suddenly say: Oh well actually we think there may well be one, sorry., we were wrong.
Having demoted Pluto they can now rediscover the 9th planet and silently hope that no one sees the pivot.
Having demoted Pluto they can now rediscover the 9th planet and silently hope that no one sees the pivot.
The real reason they do not discuss Planet X,
The Planet Formerly Known As Pluto
is that they cannot find it now. It has left its orbit.
It’s coming for us.
Greg @ur momisugly 4:29
Exactly…let’s not forget this same Mike Brown wrote “How I Killed Pluto and Why it Had it Coming” in 2010.
Hopefully now that the amazing New Horizons results are in they might once again make Pluto the 9th planet…Mike can still have his planet if he wants (as long as he finds it, that is).
Here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h7kEf-rW7ks
I misread it as:
“Plan Nine from Outer Space” had it right all along…
Every 17,000 years, they invade the earth and resurrect Bela Lugosi.
The rest of the theory is explained in the movie “Ed Wood”
Bela Lugosi might not be dead. link
Of course not, he just went home to Planet 9. 🙂
In fact NASA went to lengths many times to say it didn’t exist ROFL
No,no.no, that was planet 10 they said did not exist , this one is planet 9. 😉
This is the 10th planet because Pluto was back to 9th planet in 2014.
Read here “Pluto IS a planet” https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-25
I remember 35 years ago, when being taught orbital mechanics, and calculating planetary positions, that it was assumed there was an unknown body in the outer solar system perturbing the orbits of the outer planets.
Where Pluto ??
g
Somewhere with Goofy.
Sorry Mr Mouse, I didn;t say your wife had buck teeth, I said she was f**kin Goofy.
Sorry(mod)
Not big enough.
Find it by next winter?
Niribu will be clearly visible in the sky before then.
And they call themselves scientists, pffft!
Pretty GD funny!
🙂 aha! was wondering who would do the first Nibiru ref;-)
now a not religios me DID once read the chapter in the Bible talking of the planet they named Wormwood and its disastrous effects on earth from memory.
hmm?
taking it as tales of things past..along with a few other cultures events that seem to be around the same timeframes..hmm?
In The Revelation of John 8: 10-11
The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
Technically speaking, Nibiru (or Niribu how ever it is spelled) is a planet within the Nemesis system. So, Wormwood would be Nemesis. According to the historical documents found on The YouTube.
But, to me, wormwood seems like a very big asteroid.
I’m astonished how little I know. Really velocity not mattered?
The author is a strategist. I hope that includes a strategy of clear, jargon free communication.
I wondered that myself, perhaps the distance from the sun determines the velocity.
Yes, the distance from the sun helps determine the velocity. Generally, the farther from the sun, the slower the velocity. link
The average r determines the average v, but how do you get m r v(r) such that v() is a constant that can be dropped? For planets v²r is a constant so v = sqrt (k/r). How little I know!
Actually, Angular Momentum
Regards
Climate Heretic
Oops! Angular Velocity.
Sorry
Regards
Climate Heretic
As I recall from high school algebra, the angle of the dangle (x) is necessary to find y (the heat of the meat) provided tht the maxis of the axis (graphing in y=mx+b) and the gravity of the cavity (solving inequalities) remain constant.
Actually, the angular momentum relative to the sun is proportional to the product of planetary mass and the square root of the distance from the sun.
Sounds you are not a strategist but actually know this.
Stan: yes, that agrees with Hugs’s “For planets v²r is a constant so v = sqrt (k/r)” because then angular momentum = mvr = m sqrt(k/r) r = m sqrt(rk).
Rich.
“I do not think that term means what they think it means”
Its moment of inertia, “I”, depends on the distribution of its mass from the centroid of interest. Since it is so far away you can ignore the difference between the mass particle on the planet’s near side vs the far side and treat it as a point mass, so I=mr². It’s angular momentum is Iω² where ω is its angular velocity in radians/unit time.
Whoops, got that wrong, Angular momentum is Iω and rotational kinetic energy is 1/2Iω².
Velocity depends on distance, so is not a separate factor.
Yes, but only if you know the angular momentum.
Really, all three elements–mass, velocity, and orbital radius–are independent. What everyone is forgetting in this is that the velocity is a vector quantity (described as both magnitude and direction) and the part of velocity that contributes to orbital angular momentum is the component that is perpendicular to the radius vector. An object can be at a certain orbital radius and be in either a circular or an elliptical orbit, depending on its angular momentum. Velocity is not necessarily a constant.
The view that there is another planet is fairly old, with an odd discussion that Greco-Roman mythology should not be used as a basis for naming. “Nemesis” was a proposal, and inplies too much purpose in disturbing the Oort cloud, so “Shiva” was proposed as an multicultural alternative.
Shiiva would be a Hindu alternative.
yes, but if you misspell it then you aren’t culturally appropriating…wouldn’t want the SJWs chasing you.
Interesting
yes
looking at planets gives a key to sc strength
ok ok…
I am not a Nibiru enthusiast. But it is starting to sound a lot like “somebody” is.
I’m with various other internet personalities on this one: once we find this alleged planet, it ABSOLUTELY MUST be named “Nibiru,” just so that whole pseudo-scientific hoax-dom will be replaced with all the scientific data of a genuinely real object. When it’s finally well established via the public record of our times (a.k.a., the Google search) that @TheRealNibiru bears no resemblance whatsoever to the doomsday planet the New Agers have been hawking these many decades, they’ll have to find a whole other name to use or else create an entirely different myth out of whole cloth*
* Not that it stopped them before, one understands, only they’ll have to do it all over again, and won’t that be fun to watch?
Doesn’t this fit with the newest theory on how our solar system formed? That Jupiter fell towards the sun until Saturn and this planet aligned at the right time to fall out into their current orbit and this planet was flung out of normal orbit? I’ve probably got the details wrong on that, but that’s the jist.
I’ve always wondered, given the age of the universe compared to that of our solar system, could pluto and planet X be remnants from an older solar system?
Ooooh no!
Does ths mean that everyone’s astrological forecast nonsense is now changed?
It’s wurst than we thought.
‘worse’
perhaps?
wurst a bunch of bologna
could this large planet disturb comets within the Oort cloud?
would a planet of this size be responsible for disturbing some comets within the Oort cloud?
Something or oorter of that sort of thing I would suppose.
Then again, maybe it was just made to oorter?
I love these guys. When their computer model coughed up the possibility a 9th planet, they assumed their model was wrong because there were not sufficient Kuiper Belt objects with eccentric orbits in existence. That’s right, climate scientists, they assumed their model was wrong. But they thought it prudent to check whether there actually were additional unknown eccentric Kuiper Belt objects out there. A search ensued and the objects were there. Thus reality now adds validity to the model.
But as soon as they found the unknown eccentric Kuiper Belt objects, they no longer existed!
“There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.” I wonder if it could have been a ‘bad’ planet, expelled from some other solar system for conduct unbecoming a celestial body? And where does this fit in to all those calculations about the planetary influence on solar cycles? Oh, by the way, in Shakespeare’s time ‘philosophy’ was synonymous with ‘science’ because both were the search for truth. We’ve made a lot of progress since then.
Philosophy comes from the greek philos and sophia “to love truth”. The Escathological Cargo Cult of the CAGW rejects sophia in its entirety.
The Greek word “σοφία” (sophia) means “wisdom”, not “truth”.
Not convinced, gravity pull from such distant planet is much smaller than one from the nearby Venus.
Solar system oscillates above and below the galactic plane, meaning that the incline could be resultant of the planetary and galactic gravitational forces vectors. Galactic plane is crossed approximately every 35 Myears and it is likely that it is followed by the solar axis’ (inclination) oscillation.
Any gravitational tug from the rest of the galaxy woild be very weak. And the crossings mean the direction would alternate. Not likely to explain the sun versus planets 6 degree tilt.
Solar system (ecliptic) is inclined by about 60 degrees with respect to the galactic plane, let’s put it another way: since the sun ‘doesn’t care’ about inclination of the ecliptic (else the inclination wouldn’t exist if it did) could it be the case that even the small galactic gravitational pull is tilting the ecliptic?
@vukcevic: The issue is not the planet’s alleged pull on Sol. That would be silly, as you point out, and I concur: if Jupiter & the other gas giants haven’t been able to yank the Sun back into alignment, how in Andromeda does “Nibiru” have a chance of pulling Sol OUT of alignment in the first place? (Spoiler alert: it doesn’t.)
Rather, it is the pull of “Planet IX” (ooooh, we could call it “Ix!” ^_^) on the other planets in the solar system which is alleged to have tugged the disk (i.e., the plane described by the average of the orbital planes of the several known planets) ever so slightly out of perfect alignment with the Sun’s plane of rotation. This, I think you will find, is far more plausible than the idea that a planet barely in Neptune’s weight class (and much further away!) should have any appreciable effect upon the plane of rotation of a star.
Agree. That’s what I was thinking when I read the article. I was going to be too lazy to write it, so thanks Smokey for getting that done.
Rich.
Possibly, but also while the solar system is orbiting galactic centre of mass it also bobs up and down through the galactic plane (as if it is orbiting another centre of the mass in the galactic arm, I am not aware of the exact cause) with about 70 M years periodicity which is in the middle of the two Milankovic critical ice-ages periodicities of 40 & 100 M years.
Ooops, Milankovic was a mental lapsus!
Indeed, Ix (of Dune) is the shortened name of the planet. It’s full name is Rodale IX, as it was the 9th planet of the system.
The history here is a bit off. The Caltech gang originally set out to disprove a different 2014 paper first postulating Planet 9 based on several odd Oort orbits. The Caltech folks used a larger sample and reached a better based conclusion that the 2014 paper was correct. Published the ‘replication’ 1/2016. This new paper with Bailey provides a second strong line of evidence via the planetary orbit/solar tilt. Planet 9 inferred mass ~10x Earth so ~4x diameter, elliptical orbit at ~30 degree off the planetary orbital plane, with perihelion ~100 AU and apihelion ~1000AU, ~10000 year orbit. Similar to inferences that led to spotting Neptune. What remains is to actually spot such a dim distant object when you don’t know where in its orbit it is. Perhaps Hubble. Perhaps Japan’s Subaru telescope on Mauna Kea.
Still and all neat new science.
The Americans are REALLY anxious to have discovered at least ONE planet…
As opposed to ‘undiscovering” one…
Maybe they should turn the voyager cameras back on and have a peek:or send out one of the tiny probes to see if it crashes into something big 🙂 I would love to see more exploration of our heliosphere. The voyagers have already provided some interesting, challenging data it would be better to build on that than to theorize forever.
I claim this planet in the name of Mars. Isn’t that lovely? Hmmm? Now step back while I cause some global warming with my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.
“Oh, Goody…”
But, where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!
Delays…. Delays….
“The next question, then, is how did Planet Nine achieve its unusual orbit?”
Jumping the sharks. Haven’t discover the planet yet or it exist
Has anyone seen anything of this Planet 9 yet? Sounds like the search for mighty Niribu….
Yes.
Hillary.
(I think had a cameo in “Men in Black”. If not, she should have.)
MIB, you sure? Wasn’t there a movie about the Borg Collective?
Or, it could just be Al Gore.
Nope…too small to be Al Gore.
One query: They say “Mathematically, given the hypothesized size and distance of Planet Nine, a six-degree tilt fits perfectly“. Wasn’t the process the other way round? ie, didn’t they calculate the size and distance of Planet Nine to explain the six-degree tilt in the first place?
@Mike Jonas: Unless that was an un-announced portion of their early research, that’s not how it happened.(*) The parameters for this possible planetary object were absolutely calculated to help explain several other aspects of KBO/dwarf planet motion, however the tilt of the known planets’ orbits was not addressed until now, at least as I understand it.
(*)Follow the link Anthony provided in the article for more information on their original work: http://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523