On ‘denying’ Hockey Sticks, USHCN data, and all that – part 2

In part one of this essay which you can see here, I got quite a lot of feedback on both sides of the climate debate. Some people thought that I was spot on with criticisms while others thought I had sold my soul to the devil of climate change. It is an interesting life when I am accused of being in cahoots with both “big oil” and “big climate” at the same time. That aside, in this part of the essay I am going to focus on areas of agreement and disagreement and propose a solution.

In part one of the essay we focus on the methodology that was used that created a hockey stick style graph illustrating missing data. Due to the missing data causing a faulty spike at the end, Steve McIntyre commented, suggesting that it was more like the Marcott hockey stick than it was like Mann’s:

Steve McIntyre says:

Anthony, it looks to me like Goddard’s artifact is almost exactly equivalent in methodology to Marcott’s artifact spike – this is a much more exact comparison than Mann. Marcott’s artifact also arose from data drop-out.

However, rather than conceding the criticism, Marcott et al have failed to issue a corrigendum and their result has been widely cited.

In retrospect, I believe McIntyre is right in making that comparison. Data dropout is the central issue here and when it occurs it can create all sorts of statistical abnormalities.

Despite some spirited claims in comments in part one about how I’m “ignoring the central issue”, I don’t dispute that data is missing from many stations, I never have.

It is something that has been known about for years and is actually expected in the messy data gathering process of volunteer observers, electronic systems that don’t always report, and equipment and or sensor failures. In fact there is likely no weather network in existence that has perfect data without some being missing. Even the new U.S. Climate Reference Network, designed to be state-of-the-art and as perfect as possible has a small amount of missing data due to failures of uplinks or other electronic issues, seen in red:

CRN_missing_data

Source: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/crn/newdaychecklist?yyyymmdd=20140101&tref=LST&format=web&sort_by=slv

What is in dispute is the methodology, and the methodology, as McIntyre observed, created a false “hockey stick” shape much like we saw in the Marcott affair:

marcott-A-1000[1]

After McIntyre corrected the methodology used by Marcott, dealing with faulty and missing data, the result looked like this:

 

alkenone-comparison

McIntyre points out this in comments in part 1:

In Marcott’s case, because he took anomalies at 6000BP and there were only a few modern series, his results were an artifact – a phenomenon that is all too common in Team climate science.

So, clearly, the correction McIntyre applied to Marcott’s data made the result better, i.e. more representative of reality.

That’s the same sort of issue that we saw in Goddard’s plot; data was thinning near the endpoint of the present.

Goddard_screenhunter_236-jun-01-15-54

[ Zeke has more on that here: http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014/how-not-to-calculate-temperatures-part-3/ ]

While I would like nothing better than to be able to use raw surface temperature data in its unadulterated “pure” form to derive a national temperature and to chart the climate history of the United States, (and the world) the fact is that because the national USHCN/co-op network and GHCN is in such bad shape and has become largely heterogeneous that is no longer possible with the raw data set as a whole.

These surface networks have had so many changes over time that the number of stations that have been moved, had their time of observation changed, had equipment changes, maintenance issues,or have been encroached upon by micro site biases and/or UHI using the raw data for all stations on a national scale or even a global scale gives you a result that is no longer representative of the actual measurements, there is simply too much polluted data.

A good example of polluted data can be found in Las Vegas Nevada USHCN station:

LasVegas_average_temps

Here, growth of the city and the population has resulted in a clear and undeniable UHI signal at night gaining 10°F since measurements began. It is studied and acknowledged by the “sustainability” department of the city of Las Vegas, as seen in this document. Dr. Roy Spencer in his blog post called it “the poster child for UHI” and wonders why NOAA’s adjustments haven’t removed this problem. It is a valid and compelling question. But at the same time, if we were to use the raw data from Las Vegas we would know it would have been polluted by the UHI signal, so is it representative in a national or global climate presentation?

LasVegas_lows

The same trend is not visible in the daytime Tmax temperature, in fact it appears there has been a slight downward trend since the late 1930′s and early 1940′s:

LasVegas_highs

Source for data: NOAA/NWS Las Vegas, from

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/climate/LasVegasClimateBook/index.php

The question then becomes: Would it be okay to use this raw temperature data from Las Vegas without any adjustments to correct for the obvious pollution by UHI?

From my perspective the thermometer at Las Vegas has done its job faithfully. It has recorded what actually occurred as the city has grown. It has no inherent bias, the change in surroundings have biased it. The issue however is when you start using stations like this to search for the posited climate signal from global warming. Since the nighttime temperature increase at Las Vegas is almost an order of magnitude larger than the signal posited to exist from carbon dioxide forcing, that AGW signal would clearly be swamped by the UHI signal. How would you find it? If I were searching for a climate signal and was doing it by examining stations rather than throwing out blind automated adjustments I would most certainly remove Las Vegas from the mix as its raw data is unreliable because it has been badly and likely irreparably polluted by UHI.

Now before you get upset and claim that I don’t want to use raw data or as some call it “untampered” or unadjusted data, let me say nothing could be further from the truth. The raw data represents the actual measurements; anything else that has been adjusted is not fully representative of the measurement reality no matter how well-intentioned, accurate, or detailed those adjustments are.

But, at the same time, how do you separate all the other biases that have not been dealt with (like Las Vegas) so you don’t end up creating national temperature averages with imperfect raw data?

That my friends, is the $64,000 question.

To answer that question, we have a demonstration. Over at the blackboard blog, Zeke has plotted something that I believe demonstrates the problem.

Zeke writes:

There is a very simple way to show that Goddard’s approach can produce bogus outcomes. Lets apply it to the entire world’s land area, instead of just the U.S. using GHCN monthly:

Averaged Absolutes

Egads! It appears that the world’s land has warmed 2C over the past century! Its worse than we thought!

Or we could use spatial weighting and anomalies:

 

Gridded Anomalies

Now, I wonder which of these is correct? Goddard keeps insisting that its the first, and evil anomalies just serve to manipulate the data to show warming. But so it goes.

Zeke wonders which is “correct”. Is it Goddard’s method of plotting all the “pure” raw data, or is it Zeke’s method of using gridded anomalies?

My answer is: neither of them are absolutely correct.

Why, you ask?

It is because both contain stations like Las Vegas that have been compromised by changes in their environment, that station itself, the sensors, the maintenance, time of observation changes, data loss, etc. In both cases we are plotting data which is a huge mishmash of station biases that have not been dealt with.

NOAA tries to deal with these issues, but their effort falls short. Part of the reason it falls short is that they are trying to keep every bit of data and adjust it in an attempt to make it useful, and to me that is misguided, as some data is just beyond salvage.

In most cases, the cure from NOAA is worse than the disease, which is why we see things like the past being cooled.

Here is another plot from Zeke just for the USHCN, which shows Goddard’s method “Averaged Absolutes” and the NOAA method of “Gridded Anomalies”:

Goddard and NCDC methods 1895-2013

[note: the Excel code I posted was incorrect for this graph, and was for another graph Zeke produced, so it was removed, apologies – Anthony]

Many people claim that the “Gridded Anomalies” method cools the past, and increases the trend, and in this case they’d be right. There is no denying that.

At the same time, there is no denying that the entire CONUS USHCN raw data set contains all sorts of imperfections, biases, UHI, data dropouts and a whole host of problems that remain uncorrected. It is a Catch-22; on one hand the raw data has issues, on the other, at the bare minimum some sort of infilling and gridding is needed to produce a representative signal for the CONUS, but in producing that, new biases and uncertainty is introduced.

There is no magic bullet that always hits the bullseye.

I’ve known and studied this for years, it isn’t a new revelation. The key point here is that both Goddard and Zeke (and by extension BEST and NOAA) are trying to use the ENTIRE USHCN dataset, warts and all, to derive a national average temperature. Neither method produces a totally accurate representation of national temperature average. Keep that thought.

While both methods have flaws, the issue that Goddard raised has one good point, and an important one; the rate of data dropout in USHCN is increasing.

When data gets lost, they infill with other nearby data, and that’s an acceptable procedure, up to a point. The question is, have we reached a point of no confidence in the data because too much has been lost?

John Goetz asked the same question as Goddard in 2008 at Climate Audit:

How much Estimation is too much Estimation?

It is still an open question, and without a good answer yet.

But at the same time we are seeing more and more data loss, Goddard is claiming “fabrication” of lost temperature data in the final product and at the same advocating using the raw surface temperature data for a national average. From my perspective, you can’t argue for both. If the raw data is becoming less reliable due to data loss, how can we use it by itself to reliably produce a national temperature average?

Clearly with the mess the USHCN and GHCN are in, raw data won’t accurately produce a representative result of the true climate change signal of the nation because the raw data is so horribly polluted with so many other biases. There are easily hundreds of stations in the USHCN that have been compromised like Las Vegas has been, making the raw data, as a whole, mostly useless.

So in summary:

Goddard is right to point out that there is increasing data loss in USHCN and it is being increasingly infilled with data from surrounding stations. While this is not a new finding, it is important to keep tabs on. He’s brought it to the forefront again, and for that I thank him.

Goddard is wrong to say we can use all the raw data to reliably produce a national average temperature because the same data is increasingly lossy and is also full of other biases that are not dealt with. [ added: His method allows for biases to enter that are mostly about station composition, and less about infilling see this post from Zeke]

As a side note, claiming “fabrication” in a nefarious way doesn’t help, and generally turns people off to open debate on the issue because the process of infilling missing data wasn’t designed at the beginning to be have any nefarious motive; it was designed to make the monthly data usable when small data dropouts are seen, like we discussed in part 1 and showed the B-91 form with missing data from volunteer data. By claiming “fabrication”, all it does is put up walls, and frankly if we are going to enact any change to how things get done in climate data, new walls won’t help us.

Biases are common in the U.S. surface temperature network

This is why NOAA/NCDC spends so much time applying infills and adjustments; the surface temperature record is a heterogeneous mess. But in my view, this process of trying to save messed up data is misguided, counter-productive, and causes heated arguments (like the one we are experiencing now) over the validity of such infills and adjustments, especially when many of them seem to operate counter-intuitively.

As seen in the map below, there are thousands of temperature stations in the US co-op and USHCN network in the USA, by our surface stations survey, at least 80% of the USHCN is compromised by micro-site issues in some way, and by extension, that large sample size of the USHCN subset of the co-op network we did should translate to the larger network.

USHCN_COOP_Map

When data drops out of USHCN stations, data from nearby neighbor stations is infilled to make up the missing data, but when 80% or more of your network is compromised by micro-site issues, chances are all you are doing is infilling missing data with compromised data. I explained this problem years ago using a water bowl analogy, showing how the true temperature signal gets “muddy” when data from surrounding stations is used to infill missing data:

bowls-USmap

The real problem is the increasing amount of data dropout in USHCN (and in Co-op and GHCN) may be reaching a point where it is adding a majority of biased signal from nearby problematic stations. Imagine a well sited long period station near Las Vegas out in a rural area that has its missing data infilled using Las Vegas data, you know it will be warmer when that happens.

So, what is the solution?

How do we get an accurate surface temperature for the United States (and the world) when the raw data is full of uncorrected biases and the adjusted data does little more than smear those station biases around when infilling occurs? Some of our friends say a barrage of  statistical fixes are all that is needed, but there is also another, simpler, way.

Dr. Eric Steig, at “Real Climate”, in a response to a comment about Zeke Hausfather’s 2013 paper on UHI shows us a way.

Real Climate comment from Eric Steig (response at bottom)

We did something similar (but even simpler) when it was being insinuated that the temperature trends were suspect, back when all those UEA emails were stolen. One only needs about 30 records, globally spaced, to get the global temperature history. This is because there is a spatial scale (roughly a Rossby radius) over which temperatures are going to be highly correlated for fundamental reasons of atmospheric dynamics.

For those who don’t know what the Rossby radius is, see this definition.

Steig claims 30 station records are all that are needed globally. In a comment some years ago (now probably lost in the vastness of the Internet) we heard Dr. Gavin Schmidt said something similar, saying that about “50 stations” would be all that is needed.

[UPDATE: Commenter Johan finds what may be the quote:

I did find this Gavin Schmidt quote:

“Global weather services gather far more data than we need. To get the structure of the monthly or yearly anomalies over the United States, for example, you’d just need a handful of stations, but there are actually some 1,100 of them. You could throw out 50 percent of the station data or more, and you’d get basically the same answers”

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Interviews/schmidt_20100122.php ]

So if that is the case, and one of the most prominent climate researchers on the planet (and his associate) says we need only somewhere between 30-50 stations globally…why is NOAA spending all this time trying to salvage bad data from hundreds if not thousands of stations in the USHCN, and also in the GHCN?

It is a question nobody at NOAA has ever really been able to answer for me. While it is certainly important to keep these records from all these stations for local climate purposes, but why try to keep them in the national and global dataset when Real Climate Scientists say that just a few dozen good stations will do just fine?

There is precedence for this, the U.S. Climate Reference Network, which has just a fraction of the stations in USHCN and the co-op network:

crn_map

NOAA/NCDC is able to derive a national temperature average from these few stations just fine, and without the need for any adjustments whatsoever. In fact they are already publishing it:

USCRN_avg_temp_Jan2004-April2014

If it were me, I’d throw out most of the the USHCN and co-op stations with problematic records rather than try to salvage them with statistical fixes, and instead, try to locate the best stations with long records, no moves, and minimal site biases and use those as the basis for tracking the climate signal. By doing so not only do we eliminate a whole bunch of make work with questionable/uncertain results, and we end all the complaints data falsification and quibbling over whose method really does find the “holy grail of the climate signal” in the US surface temperature record.

Now you know what Evan Jones and I have been painstakingly doing for the last two years since our preliminary siting paper was published here at WUWT and we took heavy criticism for it. We’ve embraced those criticisms and made the paper even better. We learned back then that adjustments account for about half of the surface temperature trend:

We are in the process of bringing our newest findings to publication. Some people might complain we have taken too long. I say we have one chance to get it right, so we’ve been taking extra care to effectively deal with all criticisms from then, and criticisms we have from within our own team. Of course if I had funding like some people get, we could hire people to help move it along faster instead of relying on free time where we can get it.

The way forward:

It is within our grasp to locate and collate stations in the USA and in the world that have as long of an uninterrupted record and freedom from bias as possible and to make that a new climate data subset. I’d propose calling it the the Un-Biased Global Historical Climate Network or UBGHCN. That may or may not be a good name, but you get the idea.

We’ve found at least this many good stations in the USA that meet the criteria of being reliable and without any need for major adjustments of any kind, including the time-of-observation change (TOB), but some do require the cooling bias correction for MMTS conversion, but that is well known and a static value that doesn’t change with time. Chances are, a similar set of 50 stations could be located in the world. The challenge is metadata, some of which is non-existent publicly, but with crowd sourcing such a project might be do-able, and then we could fulfill Gavin Schmidt and Eric Steig’s vision of a much simpler set of climate stations.

Wouldn’t it be great to have a simpler and known reliable set of stations rather than this mishmash which goes through the statistical blender every month? NOAA could take the lead on this, chances are they won’t. I believe it is possible to do independent of them, and it is a place where climate skeptics can make a powerful contribution which would be far more productive than the arguments over adjustments and data dropout.

 

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kramer
June 27, 2014 4:56 am

What about the temperature stations that have been in rural areas for decades? Seems to me that these would give a more accurate picture of past temperature

MikeUK
June 27, 2014 4:59 am

I suspect that 50 US stations would NOT give a very accurate ABSOLUTE estimate for the mean temperature, but WOULD be adequate for indicating CHANGES in temperature.
You could pick 50 US babies and average their weights as they age, the result would be unlikely to be an accurate estimate of the average weight, but the resulting TREND would be highly likely to be accurate enough to quantify how weight changes with age.

kramer
June 27, 2014 5:02 am

Aircraft contrails stoke warming, cloud formation
Tue, Mar 29 2011
http://uk.reuters.com/assets/print?aid=UKTRE72S4A220110329
Maybe this is related to nighttime warming?

onlyme
June 27, 2014 5:02 am

Mark Stoval (@MarkStoval) says:
June 27, 2014 at 3:53 am
Nasa Giss doesn’t archive the actual data. They give no link as to where the actual data used is archived in the faq. The rationale for this is explained in yet another faq.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/FAQ.html and http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/abs_temp.html
Even without the original data being archived the organization is somehow still able to often adjust the anomalies generated from that data they don’t have. Since they state they don’t have the actual data of course the way the anomalies are calculated and recalculated is questioned. How many times can you adjust an adjusted figure before it becomes meaningless?
The CRU doesn’t archive the actual data either. No idea how they keep revising figures when original data to make revisions to is not kept but that’s another question.
The CRU states that even if they did archive actual data they can’t share it for numerous reasons, including agreements with the data providers, some of which have been lost and others of which have been oral agreements only.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/availability/

Latitude
June 27, 2014 5:14 am

jmrSudbury says:
June 26, 2014 at 6:53 pm
Latitude (June 26, 2014 at 2:40 pm) asks, “[d]id they lose 30% of their stations since 1990 or not? are they infilling those station now or not?”
The data Steven used was the raw that had -9999 and the final for the same station had an E for estimate beside the calculated number for a given month.
And Anthony asked for example of stations that have problems. One example: In Aug 2005, USH00021514 stopped publishing data (had -9999 instead of temperature data) save two months (June 2006 and April 2007) that have measurements. Save those two same months, the final tavg file has estimates from Aug 2005 until May 2014. The last year in its raw file is 2007.
John M Reynolds
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Thanks John

John Silver
June 27, 2014 5:16 am

What a long winded way of saying that you have nothing. Junk data = no data.
You better stick to rural MMTS, no airports.

Nick Stokes
June 27, 2014 5:23 am

richardscourtney says:June 27, 2014 at 4:54 am
“perhaps you would now be willing to address the fundamental issue which I raised:

Well, if you aren’t doing numbers, perhaps you can at least cite some supporting evidence for your assertions, such as:
“There are several definitions of GASTA”
And
“The teams who determine values of GASTA each frequently changes its definition”
And
“There is no possibility of independent calibration of GASTA determinations.”
I do independent surface temperature determinations. And compare.

June 27, 2014 6:01 am

Anthony,
Your plots comparing minimum annual and maximum annual temperature trends for Las Vegas are surely a most compelling reason for not estimating long term temperature trends using the average of minimum and maximum, but only to use maximum temperatures. And theory also supports this view, surely, concerning boundary layers at night and so forth?
So why not only use daytim maximum temperatures in climatic trend estimation?
REPLY: this is something Pielke and others have suggested..to no avail. – Anthony

MDS
June 27, 2014 6:24 am

The issue with measurement stations is not only absolute accuracy, but changes in the instrument housing as well. Are the stations painted? If so, I presume that the paint used is not only white, but that Observatory White is used and refreshed periodically—pain changes over time and this changes the way that sun loading can affect instruments. Calibration is not only an offset metric, but also a slope metric—instruments need to be calibrated, maintained, and—if the instrument is changed for some reason—the changes noted for future reference in the data set. Often the experimental aspects, the obsessive attention needed to ensure that measurements are as precise (repeatable) as possible is sometimes overlooked. People simply assume that these things are done properly, but without a plan to do it, who knows? I’ve seen changes in instruments creep in before, when people become careless. And these do affect the data set, especially as the number of stations is reduced.
Food for thought.

richardscourtney
June 27, 2014 6:36 am

Nick Stokes:
Your evasions at June 27, 2014 at 5:23 am do not wash.
Each team that produces values of global average surface temperature (GASTA) uses a different
definition; e.g. the weightings they apply to land and ocean differ and they compute gridding differently.
They change their used definition each month, and that is why their past values change each month. If a value of GASTA changes for someyear decades inn the past then the two values pertain to different definitions of GASTA or either the old value was wrong (why?) or the new value is wrong (why?).
It is not possible to have an independent calibration of GASTA because there is no agreed definition of GASTA.
Nick, I thought I had explained the issue in such clear and simple terms that even a climastrologist could understand it. Obviously, I was wrong, so I will state the issue again but in a different form.
There cannot be a ‘wrong’ value of global average surface temperature (GASTA) because there is no definition of what would be a ‘right’ value of GASTA, and a calibration to determine if a value is ‘right’ does not – and cannot – exist.
Richard

Alexej Buergin
June 27, 2014 6:42 am

It is not true that Tony H. (“SG”) never adnits that he is wrong.
As far as I know he is the only climate blogger to comment on THE GAME.
And after each and every contribution about THE GAME he admits that it was nonsense.

Latitude
June 27, 2014 6:43 am

MikeUK says:
June 27, 2014 at 4:59 am
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Mike, what would you say if every time they computed the average baby weight…
..they shaved a few pounds off their original start weight
That would make any trends in baby weight wrong, wouldn’t it?

Alexej Buergin
June 27, 2014 6:46 am

According to the beautiful book “Meteorology Today” by C. Donald Ahrens:
“Most scientists use a temperature scale called the absolute or Kelvin scale…”
The fact that Tony W. now calls the Fahrenheit scale “absolute” seems to indicate that he has been promoted from meteorologist to climatologist…

Reply to  Alexej Buergin
June 27, 2014 7:22 am

Alexej, you battled with me over there.
Your “absolute” jibe was exposed as unfair
You then slunk away, out of shame or of fear
But shamelessly try to repeat the jibe here
Your statements above are just patently wrong
You know that, but hope that folks here go along
The “absolute” as he had used in his post
Was perfectly fine. But your arguments? Toast.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/how-zeke-hides-the-decline/#comment-368564
===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

June 27, 2014 7:41 am

Zeke and Nick Stokes keep ignore the elephant in the room. Their baseline of 1961-1990 has only 50 stations with all non-Estimated data.
Second, the “proof” that stations are dropping out and changing the latitude mix ignores the fact you can take Goddards methodology and apply it to individual states, Anomalies is a red herring to con people into using a contaminated baseline.

Samuel C Cogar
June 27, 2014 7:45 am

Anthony said:
This is why NOAA/NCDC spends so much time applying infills and adjustments; the surface temperature record is a heterogeneous mess. But in my view, this process of trying to save messed up data is misguided, counter-productive, and causes heated arguments (like the one we are experiencing now) over the validity of such infills and adjustments, especially when many of them seem to operate counter-intuitively.
—————
I agree, the surface temperature record(s) (from 1880 to present) is/are a heterogeneous mess simply because said origin of said records were never meant to be anything other than what they are, ….. a recorded temperature for the locale/location at which they were recorded. And their intended purpose was for “forecasting” weather conditions in adjoining locales/locations for up to 4 or 5 days in advance, ….. and after that their value was nil except as reference data. And later on, the local weather people started using their temperature record for “touting” Record High and Record Low temperatures for appeasing the local public’s curiosity. A practice that continues to this very day.
But, the “Original Sin” associated with the heterogeneous mess of the surface temperature record was perpetrated by James Hansen et el in the early 1980’s when they decided to use the surface temperature record to prove and/or justify their “junk science” claims of CO2 causing Anthropogenic Global Warming / Climate Change.
It was an idiotic idea then ….. and it still is, …. but they refuse to admit said primarily because said “idea” now has a massive “cult following” of true believers, flim-flammers, etc. and horrendous amounts of money, reputations and careers are highly dependent upon it continuing “as is”. And a majority of the aforesaid will do “what ever it takes” to protect their vested interest.

beng
June 27, 2014 7:46 am

Nice post, Anth*ny — quite a few important points.

Latitude
June 27, 2014 7:49 am

sunshinehours1….thanks for you earlier post…..it was an eye opener
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sunshinehours1 says:
June 26, 2014 at 2:52 pm
Anthony, there are 1218 stations. That means there should be 14,616 monthly records for 2013.
There are 11568 that have a raw and final data record = 79%. of the 14,616
There are only 9384 of those 11,568 that do not have an E flag. 64.2% of the 1,4616
There are only 7374 that have a en empty error flag. 50%. of the 14,616.
36.8% is close enough to 40% for me.
And yet the NOAA publishes press releases claiming this month or that is warmest ever.
REPLY: Thanks for the numbers, I’ll have a look. Please note that the USHCN is not used exclusively to publish the monthly numbers, that comes from the whole COOP network. – Anthony

flyfisher
June 27, 2014 8:16 am

You realize, of course, this argument cannot be won. Even it NASA were to admit that it has manipulated temperatures, the hue and cry will then be that “the climate is cooling at an unprecedentedly slow rate. All computer models suggest we should have been cooling much faster than we currently are.”

June 27, 2014 8:19 am

Some folks seem to be confused by my position, and Anthon’y post aims at fiinding agreement.
So, Let me state some things clearly
My position
1. Averaging Absolutes as goddard does is not the best method to use especially when records are missing.
A) it’s not the best method to calculate a global average
B) its not the best method to Assess the impact of adjustments.
2. IF you choose a method that requires long continuous records then you have to adjust for station changes
A) changes in location
B) changes in TOBS
C) changes in instrument.
3. The alternative to adjusting (#2) is to slice stations.
A) When a station moves, its a new fricking station because temperature is a function of SITING
B) When the instrument changes, its a new fricking station
C) when you change the time of observation, its a new station.
4. Another alternative to 2 is to pre select stations according to criteria of goodness.
On #1. The method of averaging absolutes is unreliable. Sometimes it will work, sometimes it will give you biases in both directions. deciding which method to use should be done with a systematic
study using synthetic data. This is not a skeptic versus warmist argument. This is a pure method
question.
On #2. This approach means that every adjustment you do will be subject to examination. You
will never ever get them all correct. Since adjustment codes are based on statistical models
you might be right 95% of the time, 5% you will be wrong. there are 40000 stations. Go figure
5% of that.
On # 3. This is my preferred approach versus #2. Why? because when the station changes its a new station. Its measuring something different. The person who changed my mind about this
was Willis. I used to like #2.
on #4 Im all for it. However, the choice of station rating must be grounded in field test.
Actual field test of what makes a site good and what disqualifies a site. Site rating needs to be objective ( based on measurable properties ) and not merely visual inspection. Humans need to taken out of rating or strict rating protocals must be established and tested.
Now, let the personal attacks commence. or you can look at 1-4 and say whether you agree or disagree.

Carrick
June 27, 2014 8:27 am

Alexej:

The fact that Tony W. now calls the Fahrenheit scale “absolute” seems to indicate that he has been promoted from meteorologist to climatologist…

This is an example of a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Technically, Kelvin is an absolute thermodynamic temperature scale: one that has “zero” at absolute zero.
Fahrenheit and Celsius are “absolute scales” in the metrological sense because they are tied to specific measurables that can link these readings to an absolute thermodynamic scale (thermodynamic absolute zero is -459.67°F and -273.15°C respectively).
Metrologically, we distinguish devices as being “relative” versus “absolute”. Relative measurements are done relative to some selected, but in principle arbitrary value. Differential pressure sensors, that measure the difference in pressure inside of a tank relative to the outside pressure are an example of this. A laser range finder which measure the position of one object relative to some selected point is another example.
Examples of absolute devices would be an absolute barometer and a GPS unit is an example of an absolute position measurement relative to a defined geoid.

Sam Glasser
June 27, 2014 8:36 am

I like the idea of selecting two groups of 50 stations to represent the change in temperature.
In fact, in 2010 I surveyed all the station lists in GISS and found 422 such stations (excluding the US) with continuous data extending back before 1940 (when CO2 concentrations began to rise). As a matter of interest, these same stations showed an average increase of ~2 deg. C (1.8 calc.). Compare that with the current (re-adjusted since my survey) GISS “Global Temperature” (SAT) which shows 4 times that increase. As to readjustments, the current GISS graph shows recent temperatures 0.1 deg.C higher than the graph in 2010 and about 0.2 deg.C cooler prior to 1920.

basicstats
June 27, 2014 8:48 am

Anomalies provide a useful way of salvaging temperature records corrupted by problems of station loss, relocation, changing observation times etc. etc. They also offer a more coherent presentation of spatial averages, removing local distortions. But, they are not actual temperatures and this needs to be considered when applying statistical procedures, eg kriging. Whatever kriged anomalies are, they are not what you would get from first kriging the actual temperatures and then taking anomalies. Something Cowtan and Way, and others, might note.

June 27, 2014 9:30 am

MarkStoval wrote, “They don’t archive the older versions? They don’t archive the changes? They toss out the record of their altering of the data? Oh my!”
It’s even worse than that. NASA GISS takes active measures to try to prevent their data (our data!!) from being archived. I’m not kidding.
I admit that I do occasionally cringe at Steve Goddard’s over-the-top rhetoric, but give the man credit: he is the one who exposed this. See:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/giss-blocking-access-to-archived-data-and-hansens-writings/
(I have some comments there, too.)
This was the final paragraph of my 2nd comment there:
“This amazes me. I really am surprised at how blatant their misbehavior is. They’re absolutely shameless. I’m becoming convinced that the guys running GISS are just plain crooks. If I’d given an order that they cease blocking archive.org with robots.txt, and I subsequently discovered this subterfuge, I’d fire somebody so fast there would be skid marks on the sidewalk outside the front door where their butt hit the concrete.”

Lance Wallace
June 27, 2014 9:44 am

daveburton says:
June 27, 2014 at 1:03 am
Thanks for putting my Dropbox graph of your Fig. “D” historical data of the US 48-state temperature anomalies into more permanent archive. Here is the full Excel file with the graph.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75831381/NASA%20Fig%20D%201999-2014.xlsx
I used the same data (cut off at 1998 so all the datasets could be compared from the Hansen 1999 up to the present) to calculate the change in the linear rate of increase. The rate was 0.32 degrees C per century according to Hansen (1999) and is now 0.43 per century, about a 35% increase, due entirely to adjustments to the historical data. (See the graph in the third tab of this second Excel file.)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75831381/NASA%20Fig%20D%201880-1998.xlsx
You are welcome to archive these files if you find them useful. These data should be more widely distributed, in my opinion; you have preformed a real service here.

Eugene WR Gallun
June 27, 2014 9:45 am

Sleepless nights and endless worry compose a poem.
PROFESSOR PHIL JONES
The English Prometheus
To tell the tale as it began–
An ego yearned
Ambition burned
Inside a quiet little man
No one had heard of Phillip Jones
Obscure to fame
(And likewise blame)
The creep of time upon his bones
Men self-deceive when fame is sought
Their fingers fold
Their ego told
That fire is what their fist has caught
So self-deceived, with empty hand
Jones made it plain
That Hell would reign
In England’s green and pleasant land
Believe! Believe! In burning heat!
In mental fight
To prove I’m right
I’ve raised some temps and some delete
And with his arrows of desire
He shot the backs
Of any hacks
That asked the question — where’s the fire?
East Anglia supports him still
His lies denied
Whitewash applied
Within that dark Satanic mill
The evil that this wimp began
No one should doubt
The truth will out
Prometheus soon wicker man