Gosh. Who knew that a massive tax could solve all imagined climate problems?
David L. Hagen writes:
The UN is demanding control over $1.6 trillion per year to control climate. See Section 47 in draft # FCCC/AWGLCA/2011/CRP.39 9 December 2011 #GE.11-71576 at: http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2011/awglca14/eng/crp39.pdf
47. The provision of the amount of funds to be made available annually to developing country Parties, which shall be equivalent to the budget that developed countries spend on defence, security, and warfare. Fifty per cent of that amount shall be for adaptation, 20 per cent for mitigation, 15 per cent for technology development and transfer and 15 per cent for forest-related actions in developing country Parties;
See Reuters: Worldwide military spending edged up in 2010 to a record $1.6 trillion, a leading think-tank said on Monday. Source: Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s military expenditure database. http://www.sipri.org/research/armaments/milex/research/armaments/milex/milex_database . . .
Until then, the immediate urgent task is to provide alternative fuels while caring for the poor.Conventional climate mitigation comes in dead last in benefit/cost.”
LazyTeenager says:
December 10, 2011 at 5:02 pm
“Nope no sign of them. Which must mean that every one of you who pulls trillions of AGW out of thin air is not particularly skeptical.”
First of all it means you don’t know the difference between total spending and annual spending. Why don’t you #occupy a tree or something.
LazyTeenager says:
December 10, 2011 at 5:33 pm
More babbling Lazy, no one said it was signed or agreed on. The unmitagated gall to even write such an inane proposal is beyond parody. (That you attempt to make it sound reasonable is also rather sad.)
Yahoo reported this just a few minutes ago.
“Climate conference approves landmark deal”
http://news.yahoo.com/climate-conference-approves-landmark-deal-014244802.html
“DURBAN, South Africa (AP) — The president of a U.N.
climate conference has announced agreement on a program
mapping out a new course by all nations to fight climate
change over the coming decades.”
Oooh, sounds impressive! But wait…
“The 194-party conference agreed to start negotiations on a
new accord that would put all countries under the same legal
regime to enforce their commitments to control greenhouse
gases. It would take effect by 2020 at the latest.”
So. An agreement.
An agreement to start (start?! [rhet]WTF have they been doing?[/rhet]) negotiations.
They’re getting desperate when they have to declare an agreement to continue negotiating a “landmark”.
Leon Brozyna says:
December 10, 2011 at 5:20 pm
The latest update from my earlier post …
Durban has kicked the can … Kyoto extended for five years … and they’ve agreed to come to a new agreement by 2020 … which means, more conferences in exotic locales for the coming decade, all on the taxpayers’ dime. What a racket!
Canada has just approved a giant oil sands project in Alberta funded by Total. The approval drew this response from a greasy grimy greeny group (G4 for short):
http://business.financialpost.com/2011/12/08/critics-fume-as-canada-approves-totals-oil-sands-project/
The approval of Total E&P Canada’s project during the United Nations climate summit in Durban “is like poking the international process in the eye,” said Gillian McEachern of the group Environmental Defence.
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Go Canada Go!
(I was hoping for eye gouging rather than poking, but that will come in a few weeks when Canada gets out of Kyoto altogether)
Go Canada Go!
Jimmy Haigh says:
December 10, 2011 at 4:22 pm
1,600,000,000,000
The average number of air molecules you have to count before you find the first CO2.
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Sure. Now taking the number of CO2 molecules per cubic meter into account ,and the cross-sectional area of each CO2 molecule, calculated the distance travel by an IR photon before it hits a CO2 molecule.
Then explain why the few millimeters you get for the answer is too short by a factor of a thousand.
If you can’t do all of that successfully you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
tokyoboy says:
December 10, 2011 at 4:40 pm
It was a figure of speech…..
Kyoto extended for 5 years? What does that mean?
United States was never in.
China, Russia, India, Brazil all signed up on the proviso they didn’t have to do anything.
Europe is teetering on the edge of financial ruin and could very well meet their Kyoto goals through economic collapse.
Zimbabwe, Maldives, etc etc signed up on the proviso that they GET money, that nobody is going to actually give them.
Japan says they are out.
Canada will shortly announce that they are out.
Japan and Canada? The new leaders of the free world?
LazyTeenager;
If you can’t do all of that successfully you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.>>>
Given that the comment was obviously sarcastic, not scientific, I have no idea what you are babbling on about.
What if you can’t collect the $1.6 and you have to do it with force? You’d only have a few days before raising the army would offset the bill and there would be nothing left to collect. What a freaking crock. I agree with Lord Monckton. There are several excellent reasons for seeking the end of war, but this is stupid.
An in the long chain of words that have been redefined out of existence, “hoax” takes its place.
I wouldn’t say so to their faces, but I think the people crying “hoax” because more than one draft of the “legitimate” document have been released know that they are using the word wrong, but that would mean they’re liars, and we wouldn’t want to accuse anyone of anything so base.
Darnit, there goes my “outside voice” again.
David says:
December 10, 2011 at 6:00 pm
LazyTeenager says:
December 10, 2011 at 5:33 pm
More babbling Lazy, no one said it was signed or agreed on. The unmitagated gall to even write such an inane proposal is beyond parody. (That you attempt to make it sound reasonable is also rather sad.)
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An implausible unsigned climate treaty, that has proposed expenditures equal to total developed countries military budgets, is causing the WUWT readership to freak out. I would say my babbling is something you need more of.
I can’t imagine what you guys thought was going to happen if the USA refused to agree to the expenditure part of this treaty, Maybe the UN was going to threaten to nuke one major city at a time until you agreed to cough up the trillions?
And now that the treaty is out what does it actually say. Cough up trillions or else?
Jimmy Haigh says: December 10, 2011 at 6:25 pm
“It was a figure of speech…..”
OK I’ve got it. Sorry………..
Circa 1981
Alarmist: The world is running out of oil! We must cut back! We must develop alternative energy sources! Like wind mills!
Realist: Uhm…we developed oil because wind mills don’t work very well. How about nuclear?
Alarmist: No way! We’ll blow ourselves up! Windmills!
Circa 2011
Alarmist: We’re burning too much of the oil we didn’t run out of, and the planet is going to spontaneously combust! We must cut back! We must develop alternative energy sources! Like wind mills!
Realist: Uhm… we developed oil because wind mills didn’t work very well. How about nuclear?
Alarmist: No way! We’ll blow ourselves up! Windmills!
Circa 2041
Alarmist: There’s an ice age coming!
Realist: Aren’t you the same idiot I proposed nuclear power to in 1981 and 2011?
Alarmist: No way! We’ll blow ourselves up! Windmills!
Ken Methven says:
December 10, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Hoax my ASS! Check out the preceeding draft 38. http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2011/awglca14/eng/crp38.pdf
Some of the words change, but the thrust is exactly what Lord Monckton warned about. Surely this nonsense will stop given the level of absurdity going on here?
Could be that this precis has been doing the rounds and shocking enough staunch supporters previously oblivious to the agenda – saying that there’s a hoax report doing the rounds is an attempt to throw doubt on the reliability of this report without naming it.
Still, that could easily backfire, such genuinely caring but naive might block out the information if they appreciated it was factual, thinking it a hoax they might well read all the way through it ..
If the idiots at Durban have agreed to extend Kyoto another 5 years I wonder if this will cause the Climategate email guy to release more emails –perhaps those related to the politicians in the middle of it ???
Bruce Cobb
Thanks for your link to the revised version:
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2011/awglca14/eng/l04.pdf
Deleted: “Warfare”, “mother earth”
Financial is now:
Most is voluntarily providing information on 2 or 4 year cycles.
Still 102 x “Shall”
U.N. climate talks seal legal pact on global warming
Climate conference approves landmark deal
Please post links to the final documents when available.
“… force all the biggest polluters to take action…”
The biggest polluters are all third world and developing nations, from China and India on down, as the Japanese satellite clearly shows.
When can the U.S. and the developed West expect that $1.5 trillion from China, India, Africa, etc?
crosspatch says:
December 10, 2011 at 10:34 am
Dear Durban:
We don’t have the money. We’re broke. Goldman Sachs and China have all of our cash now. We’ve been cleaned out from bailing out bankers for their losses on mortgages that the “little people” still hold at a loss. Nobody bails us out. We’ve been cleaned out from baling out bankers for their losses on government bonds………………….Etc
Hi crosspatch.
That was a brilliant comment and so accurate.
Many thanks.
Dave
They are just whistling to cheer themselves up if they imagine that China or India will cripple their economic development, whatever they sign.
Although, on past performance, China and India will do rather well out of Kyoto and its subsidiaries. They have raked in many millions on the basis of phony ‘carbon credits’.
Who’d have thunk it? Nations of vast population with a cultural commitment to education might actually be smart enough to work out the angles on proposals put up by rich and flabby nations that are infected by guilt and self-loathing. They can see an opportunity like that coming from a mile off.
They can simultaneously claim to be requiring of funds, while providing the West with ‘indulgences’ like solar panels.
What’s not to like?
Either our diplomats have deteriorated significantly in quality, or their political masters have directed them to rush towards the cliff. Perhaps both.
Scary stuff.
Perhaps the key for the encrypted files is the message that was put in there .
Is it just me or does it sound like they are asking/telling us to hand over our weapons?
That’s what I see. Blatantly.
Kinda creepy, but seriously………..who the hell do they think they are?
It’s time to recycle that U.N. building and make a nice park, with some trees, kids playing. That would be sustainable.
“Either our diplomats have deteriorated significantly in quality, or their political masters have directed them to rush towards the cliff.”
Their political masters all see themselves as the one running the ‘World Government’ that the UN want to impose on us. That’s why they don’t care what happens to their own country; they don’t plan to be there.
We saw something similar in the UK, with many of the failed British politicians moving to fat-cat jobs in the EU where they continued to push policies on Britain that the British people had explicitly rejected at the ballot box.