Somehow, I’m sure somebody will figure out a way to blame ‘climate change’ for this

hs-2014-24-a-web_print[1]From the European Space Agency:

Jupiter’s trademark Great Red Spot — a swirling storm feature larger than Earth — is shrinking. This downsizing, which is changing the shape of the spot from an oval into a circle, has been known about since the 1930s, but now these striking new NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope images capture the spot at a smaller size than ever before.

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Jupiter’s Great Red Spot is a churning anticyclonic storm [1]. It shows up in images of the giant planet as a conspicuous deep red eye embedded in swirling layers of pale yellow, orange and white. Winds inside this Jovian storm rage at immense speeds, reaching several hundreds of kilometres per hour.

Historic observations as far back as the late 1800s [2] gauged this turbulent spot to span about 41 000 kilometres at its widest point — wide enough to fit three Earths comfortably side by side. In 1979 and 1980 the NASA Voyager fly-bys measured the spot at a shrunken 23 335 kilometres across. Now, Hubble has spied this feature to be smaller than ever before.

“Recent Hubble Space Telescope observations confirm that the spot is now just under 16 500 kilometres across, the smallest diameter we’ve ever measured,” said Amy Simon of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, USA.

Amateur observations starting in 2012 revealed a noticeable increase in the spot’s shrinkage rate. The spot’s “waistline” is getting smaller by just under 1000 kilometres per year. The cause of this shrinkage is not yet known.

“In our new observations it is apparent that very small eddies are feeding into the storm,” said Simon. “We hypothesised that these may be responsible for the accelerated change by altering the internal dynamics of the Great Red Spot.”

Simon’s team plan to study the motions of these eddies, and also the internal dynamics of the spot, to determine how the stormy vortex is fed with or sapped of momentum.

This full-disc image of Jupiter was taken on 21 April 2014 with Hubble’s Wide Field Camera 3 (WFC3).

Notes

[1] The Great Red Spot is a high-pressure anticyclone. It rotates in an anti-clockwise direction in Jupiter’s southern hemisphere.

[2] The Great Red Spot itself may have been mentioned in writings before the late 1800s. There are references to Jupiter’s “permanent spot” dating back as far as the late 1600s, although some astronomers disagree that the permanent spot mentioned is the Great Red Spot.

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83 Responses to Somehow, I’m sure somebody will figure out a way to blame ‘climate change’ for this

  1. TBraunlich says:

    I just modeled it. My model projects Jupiter will be red spot free by the end of this century.

  2. Amr marzouk says:

    Don’t tell the UN

  3. John F. Hultquist says:

    Is it appropriate to say that the Great Red Spot is part of Jupiter’s atmosphere? Being a long term part of the pattern does that make it part of the Planet’s climate? And the climate is changing? Because only CO2 can change a planet’s climate [“climate scientists” say so], there must be many millions of SUVs and/or other carbon-emitters up there. Who invented the SUV? Not me. Don’t blame me.

  4. TimB says:

    Earth’s CO2 is re-radiating energy to space at different wavelengths than what the sun emitted causing extreme weather events on Jupiter. I have a model that proves it.

  5. lorne50 says:

    HA There is where the heat is hiding but believe me it will come back and KILL US ALLL AAAAAAH
    LOL ;>)

  6. noaaprogrammer says:

    The duration time of a vortex and its size are directly related as one considers such for transient dust devils, tornadoes, hurricanes, Jupiter’s eye, spiral galaxies. If it were known when Jupiter’s eye first formed, its duration time could be approximated.

  7. TobiasN says:

    Not as interesting I guess, but in case anyone missed it the top winds on Venus mysteriously sped up 33% over 6 Earth years.
    http://www.space.com/21612-venus-winds-hurricane-speeds.html

  8. lorne50 says:

    Oops sorry I did model it and I will give you my crayola when I have the paper tubes refilled HONEST I WILL SHUT UP ;>)

  9. Pamela Gray says:

    Residents of Jupiter will not know what anticyclones are!!!

  10. lorne50 says:

    noaaprogrammer says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:27 pm
    The duration time of a vortex and its size are directly related as one considers such for transient dust devils, tornadoes, hurricanes, Jupiter’s eye, spiral galaxies. If it were known when Jupiter’s eye first formed, its duration time could be approximated.

    HUM dust on a gas giant and who was that again that watched it form GEE take done of stupied is easy !~ ;>)

  11. lorne50 says:

    LOL that post sucked sorry but dust devils and then to a galaxies tornadoes hurricanes the mind just boggles

  12. TRG says:

    TBraunlich says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:08 pm
    I just modeled it. My model projects Jupiter will be red spot free by the end of this century.

    I think your projection is spot on.

  13. Gene Schmick says:

    NASA? Isn’t that some kind of weather service? One that hasn’t been right in 17 years?

  14. lorne50 says:

    Pamela Gray says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:30 pm
    Residents of Jupiter will not know what anticyclones are!!!

    Quick fast spend it all what wait hold on a sec no really don’t tell me to shut-up jail? I believe I believe I believe ;>(

  15. Jimmy Haigh. says:

    It’s the sun.

  16. TBraunlich says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    I just modeled it. My model projects Jupiter will be red spot free by the end of this century.

    If we don’t implement a Carbon Tax!

  17. Neo says:

    I’m not completely sure, but either we need a special #hashtag or a “Carbon Tax” in order to save the Great Red Spot.

    #SaveGreatRedSpot

  18. lorne50 says:

    Gene Schmick says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:39 pm
    NASA? Isn’t that some kind of weather service? One that hasn’t been right in 17 years?

    And now under Puten’s thumb guess who get’s the ISS not the gav and them that played the cAGW bullshit card and spent the money ;>(

  19. lorne50 says:

    You guys do know that this thread went away fast and I find it relaxing and fun thank’s guy’s ;>)

  20. lorne50 says:

    sideways $hit poop not away ;>)

  21. Mark Luhman says:

    It the evil oil companies putting the waste products from refineries on Jupiter, unbeknownst to us they have already produced a star trek transporter and are transporting pollution to Jupiter. It amusing how low a oil executive will stoop. After all they have bough up all the patents for 100 mile per gallon carburetors.

  22. Sparks says:

    I traced Jupiters Red spot back through history.

  23. Mick says:

    President Ronald Reagan’s spirit is at work… the RED spot destroyer :)
    disclosure: he is my HERO …. half of my life under the commies :(

  24. lorne50 says:

    Mark Luhman says:
    May 16, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Didn’t you know Shush this is where we hide or used frac fluids don’t tell John Gav Mike James Dave Bill Al Barak I could go on but you know SHUT UP someone with science will find out we have been doing this forr about 57 years ! ;>)

  25. Bob Diaz says:

    // Sarcasm //
    Yes, our highly accurate computer model shows a strong connection between CO2 on Earth and the disappointing spot on Jupiter:

    10 PRINT “Is Earth’s increasing CO2 responsible for the disappointing spot on Jupiter?”
    20 INPUT “Press ENTER: “, A$
    30 PRINT “Our computer model say it is, so it MUST be true !!!”
    40 END

  26. lorne50 says:

    stupid smart phone speeling LOL ;>)

  27. lorne50 says:

    Bob Diaz says:
    May 16, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    +1000000000000000000000000000000 ;>)

  28. lorne50 says:

    OOPs – cost you are now – 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ‘>(

  29. Alan Poirier says:

    IN MBH98 Herr Mann shows the spot was much smaller during the MWP.

  30. gymnosperm says:

    Start thinking electromagnetic.

  31. Sparks says:

    As an astronomical point in time, a giant red spot that periodically appears and disappears and is observed and noted by humans is gold.

  32. lorne50 says:

    Is there not a young spot on the other side forming thought I read that some where ? ;>)

  33. bushbunny says:

    As it is a gas planet who cares. There is nothing we humans can do to save the red spot (LOL) but any monetary fund will be welcomed (sarc)

  34. MattS says:

    lorne50 says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    LOL that post sucked sorry but dust devils and then to a galaxies tornadoes hurricanes the mind just boggles
    ============================================================================

    So you jump from dust devils, galaxies, tornadoes and hurricanes to dice/word games?

    The whole idea of a cyclonic storm larger than the Earth blows my mind.

  35. gregole says:

    OK. We need the raw data on Red Spot Size vs. time so we can correlate it to the dangerous increase in Man-Made CO2. After all, there is probably and intriguing correlation…coincidence? I think not!

    http://www.tylervigen.com/view_correlation.php?id=3063

  36. lorne50 says:

    I and AL will help you, Dave and Gav are working on it once we get Lew and Cook on board with Chris and Kieth , Mike will stop the fools that don’t see the way to the glory of GEIA you get the jest /SARC/ ffun to write though ;>)

  37. lorne50 says:

    MattS says:
    May 16, 2014 at 9:51 pm
    lorne50 says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    LOL that post sucked sorry but dust devils and then to a galaxies tornadoes hurricanes the mind just boggles
    ============================================================================

    So you jump from dust devils, galaxies, tornadoes and hurricanes to dice/word games?

    The whole idea of a cyclonic storm larger than the Earth blows my mind.

    GALAXIES really you would us that in a dust devil per say ??? ;>)

  38. lorne50 says:

    And stupid phone it’s use and yes you did do that ;>)

  39. lorne50 says:

    MattS says:
    May 16, 2014 at 9:51 pm
    lorne50 says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    If you where my Roughneck for dumbass thinking like that you would be sorting out the bolt bins then scrubbing ;>)

  40. deebodk says:

    TobiasN says:
    May 16, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    “Not as interesting I guess, but in case anyone missed it the top winds on Venus mysteriously sped up 33% over 6 Earth years.”
    http://www.space.com/21612-venus-winds-hurricane-speeds.html

    It’s gotta be that damned CO2. Is there nothing it can’t do?

  41. lorne50 says:

    deebodk says:
    May 16, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    Mars warmed up to will find the link but sure you have that already ;>)

  42. lorne50 says:

    Sorry for wrecking this thread but gas gets hot under presser and cold losing the stored energy water gets cold way the ffing deep past the sun ??? Has a model ever told us what would happen on Venus or Mars ?? ;>)

  43. Admad says:

    “It’s worse than we thought” (TM)

  44. Anthony,

    I have just found a reference linking the red spots on Jupiter to the climate on Earth and all other planets, the common factor being the Sun.

    I followed a link on Junkscience.com to Tweaktown’s coverage of Ben Davidson’s video presentation on YouTube. http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37703/global-warming-one-of-the-biggest-scams-in-the-history-of-humanity/index.html

    Davidson claims that, If the Sun has a role in the Earth’s climate, then changes should be seen in the “climates” of all the planets. He specifically mentions changes in Jupiter’s climate and suggests that humans are not the cause of climate change on any other planet and this fact should lead us to question whether or not humans are responsible for climate change on Earth. ..

  45. Santa Baby says:

    Well if there is a Mother Earth Gaia. Then there probably is something of the same on the Sun and the rest of the planets. Mother Jupiter red herring is trying to communicate with the other planets and the sun? Maybe CAGW is hurting her?

  46. Peter Miller says:

    We all know that global warming, caused by CO2, causes everything bad on Earth, but it is amazing the extent of this effect.

    What do the holy models say?

  47. Well, this is one decline they can’t hide. Heh.

  48. Joel O'Bryan says:

    Don’t worry the solar system, the galaxy, and the universe are blessed with savior The Anointed One Obama.

    The Jovians are celebrating because, “This was the moment when the rise of the ammonia-methane oceans began to slow and the planet began to heal, and that damn red spot super-mega-mega-mega typhoon finally began to disappear.”

    // OK, really bad sarc, but still sarc//

  49. PhilCP says:

    Here’s my scientific paper on the subject:
    Abstract: Man-made C02 warms the Earth!!! We’re all gonna die!! DO SOMETHING !!
    Article: Oh, and Jupiter’s spot is shrinking. (Insert highly innovative BS here)

  50. stargazer says:

    Well, I am going to remain a red spot skeptic and denier until I see the proxy tree ring data.

  51. Berényi Péter says:

    Guys are desperately trying to understand the longevity of the Great Red Spot.

    Why Jupiter’s Great Red Spot Has Lasted So Long

    “Together, vortices — whether on Jupiter or in Earth’s oceans — may decay up to 100 times slower than researchers previously thought.”

    “The scientists caution that their model does not entirely explain the Great Red Spot’s long life span.”

    Unfortunately their effort is completely misguided, for it does not clarify anything but puts up the (false) claim of some big inconsistency, where no consistency was to be expected in the first place.

  52. Bruce Cobb says:

    I am starting an interplanetary environmental group called Redpiece, with the initial goal of saving the fast-disappearing red spots which have become endangered, and may soon become extinct if we don’t act now. Membership is easy, and there will be many different membership levels, starting from $50. Who’s with me?

  53. rogerknights says:

    The variability of Jupiter’s Red Spot indicates that a planet’s climate can vary significantly all on its own, without any change in “forcings.” This is a feature that can happen on other climates too, such as Mars, with its variably sized polar caps. (IIRC. there are variations on other planets and their moons too.) Why, then, should Earth be an exception?

  54. T-Bird says:

    In a moment of sheer speculation, I have wondered if decreased solar output has something to with it.

  55. Latitude says:

    to determine how the stormy vortex is fed with or sapped of momentum.
    ====
    uh no…when it gets smaller it gets more defined and stronger

  56. JimG132 says:

    “The cause of this shrinkage is not yet known.”

    I’ll bet he’s been in the pool.

  57. Gary in Erko says:

    Don’t be so silly. It’s a natural phenomenon. In fact it’s the only natural phenomenon in the whole universe that’s not caused by excess CO2.

  58. JohnWho says:

    “Somehow, I’m sure somebody will figure out a way to blame ‘climate change’ for this”

    Evidentially Anthony, I have the same affliction you have because I thought that exact thing when I saw the article in the local paper.

    Obama: “Climate change is a fact and it’s happening now! You can see it clearly as Jupiter’s great red spot is shrinking. We must act now or our grandchildren will not be able to enjoy this wonderful sight.”

  59. JohnWho says:

    JimG132 says:

    May 17, 2014 at 5:52 am

    “The cause of this shrinkage is not yet known.”

    I’ll bet he’s been in the pool.

    Uh, does being in the pool cause shrinkage to that which is between one’s ears?

    :)

  60. Ed MacAulay says:

    The commentators on CBC knew what to blame it on. See the comments where the skeptics have had great fun blaming it on CC and pokeing the alarmists.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/jupiter-s-giant-red-spot-could-be-gone-in-17-years-scientist-says-1.2645013

  61. Steve says:

    The spot hasn’t changed. The spot only APPEARS smaller because of the reverse lensing effect RESULTING from increased CO2 in Earths atmosphere.

    /Lol

  62. evanmjones says:

    Save Our Spot

  63. ossqss says:

    Perhaps this may help us get a better GRIP on some of the processes that may be involved with the Red spot?

  64. RACookPE1978 says:

    And the polar “ice caps” on Mars are
    (1) still shrinking,
    (2) steady – no longer shrinking?
    (3) expanding ?

    Funny, wasn’t it Charon – waaaay out there orbiting Pluto – that was expanding (getting more visible) at the same time that Mars was losing its frozen ice caps and Jupiter was losing its Red Spot ?

  65. Steve P says:

    “In our new observations it is apparent that very small eddies are feeding into the storm,” said Simon. “We hypothesised [sic] that these may be responsible for the accelerated
    change by altering the internal dynamics of the Great Red Spot.”

    Ah so. I guess that’s what’s called top-down thinking, or is it bass ackward?. ‘No chance, I guess, that Jupiter’s internal dynamics might have something to do with the appearance of the top of Jupiter’s atmosphere.

    Well, with our keen understanding of everything there is to know about Earth’s atmosphere, and our ability to make not only long-range forecasts far into the future, but also to account for both mild and dramatic fluctuations in Earth’s climate history, deciphering Jupiter’s many spots and rotating bands should be duck soup for these chaps, and I suppose we should all count our blessings that the climate science for Jupiter will soon be settled too.

  66. Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta says:

    @Alan Poirier

    >IN MBH98 Herr Mann shows the spot was much smaller during the MWP.

    Alan I have spotted a problem with this claim – the logic is circular. Tree rings are oval, The Red Spot is oval (well, it was…). Herr Mann said (1998) there was no MWP. Later (2008) he said there was, but it wasn’t global. The Red Spot isn’t global either. See the connection? No?

    The tree rings are oval; the Red Spot was oval; there was no MWP. Now, there was an MWP, but not a global one; the Red Spot is round and smaller; now, tree rings are pear-shaped. See?

    Circular logic: works every time.

  67. Maxbert says:

    It’s all our fault.

  68. Gunga Din says:

    The Jupitertarians must have finally closed their last coal-fired power plant.
    That’s why the spot is changing.
    (Oh…but wait a minute….)

  69. milodonharlani says:

    Other planets & Pluto still warming as of 2007. Maybe the “Pause” (better known as Plateau) has hit them by now, too, though.

    http://www.dailytech.com/Global+Warming+on+Mars++and+Jupiter+Pluto+Neptune/article6544.htm

    But in that case how to explain the amazing shrinking Great Red Spot?

  70. David Ball says:

    Spot on.

  71. milodonharlani says:

    See Spot shrink.

  72. Jeff says:

    I can see/hear it now….new children’s cartoon…

    dah dah dah dah-de-dah dah dah dah-di-dah-duh,
    dah dah duh dah-de-dah-di-dah-duh-uh-uh …..woof

    Where’s spot?

    ……
    Then, Spot goes to his Grandparents (assuming there was a progenitor to the great red spot),
    Spot goes to school (to learn how to be a proper anticyclone) (and not go against the wind)
    Spot goes to the circus (already happened, from three rings to one….
    Possibilities are endless :)
    …..
    Aren’t there other planets with spots too (Uranus, Neptune)? Anyone keeping track on size, behaviour, etc., of said spots? Doc Brown (“Great Spot”!!! )

  73. Gary Hladik says:

    The Jovians built too many wind turbines and are sucking all the energy out of their atmosphere.

  74. Gregory says:

    It’s cold, I was in the pool! (Seinfeld reference)

  75. #Bring back Jupiter’s Great Red Spot. Just doing my part!

  76. Chad Wozniak says:

    I blamed Earth’s Global Warmiing for the decline of Jupiter’s Red Spot at Yahoo News’s article. /sarc, of course

  77. Jimbo says:

    Climate change on the brain I suppose.

    Letter To Nature – 2004
    Prediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
    …..Here I propose that the disappearance of the White Ovals was not an isolated event, but part of a recurring climate cycle which will cause most of Jupiter’s vortices to disappear within the next decade. In my numerical simulations, the loss of the vortices results in a global temperature change of about 10 K, which destabilizes the atmosphere and thereby leads to the formation of new vortices……
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v428/n6985/abs/nature02470.html

  78. JohnT says:

    Here in Texas they blame Obama for it. And everything else

  79. scadsobees says:

    Ok, we’re hearing some solar system problems here:
    1). The Great Red Spot on Jupiter is shrinking
    2). The winds on Venus are speeding up
    3). Mar’s polar ice caps are shrinking
    4). The sun has been decreasing its amount of sunspots

    And what is happening here? We’re pumping trillions of tons of CO2 into our atmosphere. What does our atmosphere have contact with? Space!
    Why isn’t our CO2 levels increasing commensurate with the amount of CO2 we’re dumping into our atmosphere? Because some of it is leaking out into our solar system!

    What happens when you put CO2 on fire? It puts it out of course. That would explain the lack of sun spots on the Sun.

    As we all know, warming from CO2 causes increased storms, and shrinking icecaps, which explains Venus’s wind and Mars’ ice caps.

    As for Jupiter, we know that the warming from CO2 causes smaller, more intense, and more frequent storms, which is why the Great Red Spot is waning, and will become the many Medium Red Cyclones.

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