Oil spills into the debate

I had to laugh. This sort of thing makes it entertaining. Two whole protesters in Brisbane. David Archibald and Bob Carter went down to have a look. These folks were part of Dr. Ove’s en masse protest he fomented on his Climate Shifts blog.

Jo Nova writes:

Meet the believers… smile

Sometimes there’s just no point. Do they think ad hominem is a spice in an Arabic dip? What can you say?

Just smile and go back to doing your damnedest to work for free so that they and their children might have a bit more freedom from tyranny and a bit more of their hard earned cash in their wallet. If you succeed, they’ll probably never thank you, but it’s still a job worth doing. Cheers!

Anthony Watts, and David Archibald will be speaking in Melbourne Tuesday night. Don’t miss your last chance to see the heroes of the grassroots independent scientists. Read my thoughts on Anthony and David. Get more info from the Climate Sceptics.

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For the record, the tour is funded by ticket, book, and DVD sales, with guarantors for expenses that are private individuals. There’s no corporations involved. It’s being done on a shoestring, just like my surfacestations project.

If there were fossil fuel companies pushing funds, do you think David Archibald, Bob Carter and I,  would have spent that night at the Hotel George Williams in Brisbane? It’s just a short walk away from the Queensland Irish Club were the event was held. Check out the room. I stayed in one just like this there. The bargain rate for us “fossil fuelers”?  $89AU

I’ve made forts out of refrigerator boxes as a kid that were bigger. Even the wide angle lens doesn’t help much.

Yeah “big oil” is funding us and we get crackerboxes. What a load of tosh, still funny though.

Oh, and after seeing the sign at the desk, a song from the Village People kept bouncing around in my head that night.

After watching Dr. Ove and his antics, it was comic relief.

77 thoughts on “Oil spills into the debate

  1. Thank you for all your work, and your sanity, and your modesty. Are you coming to England anytime soon?

  2. The poster on the top right has “socialist alliance” printed across the bottom.

    Those clowns show up everywhere – they are almost like a “rent a protest” crowd.

  3. Where is MY big oil money???? I have been posting comments on blogs and pushing the scientific method of climate study, debunking CAGW for all I am worth…

    I am now skint! I WANT MY OIL MONEY DAMMIT!!!

    What??? What do you mean big oil funds the Alarmists??? Typical. I chose the side of truth and no money, and they chose the side of corruption and wealth and lies.

  4. Thanks for the work you do Anthony and the others.

    I live on the gulf in SWFL, and I can tell you, ground up oiled pelicans being used as fuel, is not funny. We are now conducting test beach cleaning runs of what to do if the oil reaches us and our beaches.

    I hope there are trials, then all the government malfeasance will come out. Heck we all know BP caused the spill, but we need to understand the rest of the story. Starting with how did a risky single casing well get approved by MMS?

  5. You can’t compare with Gold funding (Ove – Gulberg= Gold-berg=Mountain of Gold)
    Curious isn’ it? Goldmann, Gulberg, Goldberg, gold, gold everywhere…will they turn carbon into gold?

  6. Talking of oil… six weeks before the blowout, the White-House was told by BP that there were problems with the Deepwater Horizon well. The president, apparently, didn’t mention this fact when he recently met the families of the 11 workers who died.

    kevinmccullough.townhall.com

  7. What you, David and Robert and the other volounteers is doing for us, is just unbelieveable.

    Its a great initiative!

    Thanks Robert, David and Anthony!

    Dr. Ove looked very happy. I know why. He has the resources of Governments and the media on his side. And “Science Mag.” pluss “Nature”. WWF, Greenpeace, IPCC etc et. Even BP. A formidable machine. The Borg.

    What do we have? More and more ordinary people pluss scientists. Scientists who dare speak out against The Borg.

  8. tarpon says:
    June 21, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I live on Sanibel Island in the Gulf. As a biochemist in Animal and Human health areas, I felt myself obliged to volunteer for cleanup if the oil reaches us.

    I received back a form letter saying my help was not allowed, because I was not trained properly. The letter also mentioned that I should keep away from the oil, as it is a “highly toxic” environmental chemical!

    I am thinking twice about pumping my own gas. An oil change is out of the question. I don’t see how I can even drive a car now, since it is full of the highly toxic ingredients.

    God save us all.

  9. Some interesting pics of the Gulf here, showing thousands of drilling rigs, sea floor topography, etc.

    And for Enneagram: someone has finally robbed Fort Knox.

  10. Smokey says:
    June 21, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    From the beginning this was a 21st.century updated alchemical method for making gold out of pouring the empty into the void or, as it was described, by issuing “carbon credits” and selling “carbon shares”.
    Their ability to performing these kind of miracles is as proverbial as ours for not making money ☺

  11. Obama took all your big oil money during his campaign, so you’re all skruwed.

  12. I noticed that the Hotel George Williams website says:

    All standard hotel rooms feature natural light

    That cracked me up. Woohoo! :)

  13. The http://www.socialist-alliance.org plays right into your hands i think… They should have themselves renamed like the SED (Sozialistische Einheistpartei Deutschlands) – they call themselves now Die Linke (The Left) which sounds… well, less socialistic.

  14. This scientist and general skeptical and one who suffers fools poorly, would sure like to know how I can access this “gravy train”. I wounder if the protesters, who apparently well informed could tell me?

  15. tarpon says:
    June 21, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    ” Heck we all know BP caused the spill, but we need to understand the rest of the story. Starting with how did a risky single casing well get approved by MMS?”

    Here’s something for starters… a very revealing story, hot off the presses as they say:

    “The Spill, The Scandal and the PresidentThe inside story of how Obama failed to crack down on the corruption of the Bush years – and let the world’s most dangerous oil company get away with murder”

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965

  16. When using the global warming hoax as a stalking horse it may be an idea to actually hide behind it. Not ride on its back wearing a Che Gueuvra t-shirt, waving a hammer and sickle flag and singing the Internationale…

  17. “Do they think ad hominem is a spice in an Arabic dip?

    I thought it was aftershave.”

    I thought it was something from that Outer Limits cookbook, “To Serve Man.”

  18. Opened in 2009? So why does it look like it’s decorated in all the hip, mod stylings of 1969?

    Obama and Friends made the gulf mess much worse by not allowing cleanup and prevention activity to start immediately after the platform caught fire. They had to do “studies” first. Worse was telling other countries “We don’t need your help!” to offers of oil containment ships and equipment.

    I bet the platform operators and BP are wishing they had decided to comply with and do everything Obama’s regulators gave them a pass on. A few more million in expenses and a well put into production would’ve been far less expensive.

    Most all of the methods and rules and regulations of the oil industry are written in the blood of people who died learning things the hard way. It’s simply best practice to not ignore any of those lessons!

  19. Anthony,

    The Australian AGW debate has been so brainwashed to believe Big oil, big energy company, big coal, and fossil fuel is against them. The CSIRO crowd still thinks they could attack crowds by starting their articles and discussion with — big oil, big fossil, big coal and big energy generators are funding the skeptics. They think people will just get brainwashed by repeating and repeating this mantra. Some may believe all the time but they do make their own internet search. Big oil, big electricity generators and fossil companies are the one making money with the cap and trade. They have the network to distribute new energy, they could ride one the green movement (just like BP). So CRU is funded by big oil and big electricity generator, the Muir inquiry had BP big shots. Pachaury and the IPCCC big boys stays in 5 star hotels. If the AGW crowd has to gain again the public trust, they need a new mantra.

  20. Maybe if the AGW types stayed at the YMCA they would have a closer experience of reality. From the list on the sign, what you and the Y accomplish mean that A$89 was well spent. At last an NGO with useful “direct action”.

  21. A caption competition would be in order. What slogans should they have on those banners? Anyone good at photoshop?

  22. All that big oil money I get, wowee.
    David did send me a softcopy of his book, thank you David.
    What intially struck me as out-of-character about the Deep Horizons explosion was that the surviving crew was sequestered from the MSM for weeks. If it were a coal-mine disaster, they’d have mikes stuck in the survivors faces for days on end.
    The best foot never came forward on this whole thing.
    I remain highly suspicious of at least ulterior motives.

  23. If the Hellfire Club is still there you will probably catch 2 or 3 copies of all the Village People there… Now I am going to have to remove the YMCA ditty from my head, thank goodness for the Adamms Family. That always works.

  24. Perhaps one day greenies will explain to us why digging up fossil fuels is ‘evil’ yet digging up copper, iron, aluminium and other ores then smelting and processing them to build windmills and solar collectors is environmentally ‘good’ ?

  25. You have to refuse to stay in any room that has orange in the decor. It can leave permanent neuronal damage!

    Are those…orange pumpkins on Dr. Archibald’s tie, with a striped shirt? You see, it is already taking effect!

  26. “”rbateman says:
    June 21, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    The best foot never came forward on this whole thing.””

    I think it did, it reminded every person that saw it “let no crisis go to waste”

  27. Oil
    Follow the money
    BP hires Podesta group to do its lobbying and PR => John and Tony Podesta own Podesta group => Podesta (john) owns Center for American Progress AND Climate Progress.

    Looks like Joe Romm is much better connected with big oil and wouldn’t need to stretch the dollars and stay in such a small roadhouse motel.
    So oil money has contaminated the Progressive blogs. Joe Romm is the beneficiarry of BP and big Oil monie$

  28. From what recepticle and onto what surface has the gulf oil ‘spill’ been spilt ? The thing is an underwater gusher or leak.

  29. jeef says:
    June 21, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    “A caption competition would be in order. What slogans should they have on those banners? Anyone good at photoshop?”

    How’s this?

    “What do we want? YOUR WALLET!
    “When do we want it? NOW!

    Or this.

    “Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho!
    We don’t need your ROTTEN SNOW!!!

  30. Nice room! Swank Orange decor……Gotta love that Eco approved 17 in flat screen! And the free instant coffee fixins. Lux, baby.

  31. What hope has Australia got for a balanced debate on any scientific issue when the head of the country’s scientific research body (CSIRO) is a banker without a scientific bone in his body.

    As ACM puts it http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/ ….’clueless on climate’.

    He of course has clearly told his team where he wants the CSIRO to stand….”But the point is, why wouldn’t one take out very strong insurance to at least do what we can to future-proof our well-being? I think it’s a no-brainer.”…..

    Is this science or banking?

  32. Anthony sorry we missed you ,K Rudd and P Wong we will catch up with you next year .as we will have more time on our hands as we will not be running the government

  33. So who are all those people anyway.

    The lady looks like her own environmental disaster.

    And yes how does one tap into this big oil money; it appears that you have to be either a tough guy from Chicaga and simply threaten folks if they don’t come across; or even a politician.

  34. Anthony, I have contributed to your surface stations project but is there any way that I can make a modest contribution to your general expenses fund. You are doing such sterling work and I feel that I should not ride on the back of this movement without making some kind of contribution. I’m not big oil though I’m afraid.

    [Reply: If you put this request into Tips & Notes, or in Contact, Anthony is more likely to see it. ~dbs, mod.]

  35. “Two whole protesters in Brisbane. ”

    Are they ‘saving the wholes’ or is it ‘the whole in the ozone layer’ that they are worried about?

  36. “Do they think ad hominem is a spice in an Arabic dip?”

    I thought ad hominem was just a latin translation of an old Southern recipe in which you are told to “add hominey.” ;)

  37. another poll to add to the krosnick/stanford one:

    Benenson Strategy Group – Poll
    Consequently, there is a huge margin of support for an energy bill that would “limit pollution, invest in domestic energy sources and encourage companies to use and develop clean energy. It would do this in part by charging energy companies for carbon pollution in electricity or fuels like gas.”
    Overall, 63% of likely 2010 voters support it and just 29% are opposed.

    http://lcv-ftp.org/LCV/2000cew.pdf

    (full details) June 2010: Politico: Poll for League of Conservation Voters
    by Benenson Strategy Group
    Oil Spill and Energy Bill Update
    The Senate may soon debate an energy bill that will limit pollution, invest in domestic energy sources and encourage companies to use and develop clean energy. It would do this in part by charging energy companies for carbon pollution in electricity or fuels like gas. Would you say you strongly support this bill, somewhat support, somewhat oppose, or strongly oppose this bill?

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM130_jb.html

  38. Why is it that nobody cries “Big Wind stooge!” or “Subsidy chaser!”? Surely these represent equally if not more serious corrupting influences.

  39. How come there isn’t an effort made for all the big oil companies to get in there and do cleanup?
    Like they do for fires: Interagency co-operation.

  40. George E. Smith says:
    June 21, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Truth is: We need oil to just keep what we have going. It will take decades to switch energy sources and generation.
    If Big Oil goes down in the US, we go down with it. The days of a food supply spread across the nation with railroad transportation web are long gone. Look at your grocery shelves. Imports are taking over, as Obama promised.
    Big Oil will either feed us, or it will feed somebody else.
    What’s it going to be?

  41. well, this settles it then!!!

    21 June: Vancouver Sun: Mike De Souza: Study questions credentials of climate-change skeptics
    The hundreds of academics who sign warnings for politicians to delay action on slashing greenhouse gas emissions do not have the same expertise as those who say human activity is causing global warming, says a new study to be released Tuesday in the Proceedings of the U.S. National Academy of Scientists…
    The paper was authored by William Anderegg, a graduate student at Stanford University’s biology department, along with Jacob Harold, Stephen Schneider and Prall, in order to compare the discrepancy between mainstream media coverage of controversies or debates about global warming with the actual research in scientific journals…
    The 1,372 academics were selected from scientific assessment reports as well as the prominent multisignatory public statements in support or against the mainstream theory. That list was then reduced to 908 researchers who had published at least 20 peer-reviewed papers on climate change science.
    But the study found that the academics supporting the evidence that humans are causing global warming were more likely to be climate change scientists doing extensive research while the skeptics had produced less evidence to back up their claims. For example, more than 90 per cent of the climate scientists who supported the evidence had each published more than 20 peer-reviewed papers while about 80 per cent of the skeptics had published less than that amount…

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Study+questions+credentials+climate+change+skeptics/3183069/story.html

  42. how quickly does the media jump in?

    Union of Concerned Scientists: New Study Reaffirms Scientific Consensus on Climate Change

    http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/study-scientific-consensus-climate-change-411.html

    Time: Michael Lemonick: Who’s the Climate Expert Here?
    So the experts agree that climate change is a real; the people who think it isn’t tend not to be experts. But will that actually sway the public?

    http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2010/06/21/349/

    Science Mag: Eli Kintisch : Scientists ‘Convinced’ of Climate Consensus More Prominent Than Opponents, Says Paper

    http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/06/scientists-convinced-of-climate.html

    Guardian: Why don’t we trust climate scientists?New study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reveals huge disparities in the ‘relative scientific credibility’ of the opposing sides of the climate change debate

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jun/21/trust-climate-scientists

  43. pat says:
    June 21, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    well, this settles it then!!!

    That settles where the $$$ has been awarded/going all these years: To Global Warming researchers.
    Oh, and that’s why the climate change (nee AGW) researchers published more peer-reviewed papers: no competition.
    My, how statistics can be bought.

  44. Dr A Burns

    ROFL couldnt agree more. And when these windmills can be up to 40 stories tall there is a lot of concrete and metal in them all to produce grossly inefficient subsidized power

  45. Henry Chance say: “Oil Follow the money BP hires Podesta group to do its lobbying and PR => John and Tony Podesta own Podesta group => Podesta (john) owns Center for American Progress AND Climate Progress.”

    John Podesta selected BO’s transition team, picked his senior white house staff, found his cabinet members and got all his Czars for him.

    Tony and John Podesta’s other client in their lobbying firm is NBC Universal, which is owned by GE, which owns the Smart Grid technology that CA just passed a law setting it in place.

    Follow the money goes even higher than the Podestas, all the money comes from George Soros’ support for the Center for American Progress. Last fall, I think, George Soros invested $900 million in PetroBras (Brazil’s govt owned, very profitable oil company). Several days later, the Obama admin guarantees a $2Billion dollar loan or loan guarantee to PetroBras (if they are so profitable why do I have to guarantee loans to them?) The moritorium on all oil drilling in the gulf is for deep water drilling, deep water defined as 500 ft. Deep Water Horizion was drilling in 5, 000 ft and PetroBras will be drilling in up to 14, 022 ft or maybe that is meters, cannot remember. That doesn’t matter, but the point is we stopped all drilling because it is too risky, but we support drilling elsewhere that is deeper and riskier. And for whom? George Soros’ shareholders and the Brazilian govt. If oil is so bad to the Progressives, why support it anywhere? Such hypocrites.

    When the oil drilling rigs get rented and moved to other countries and the oil rig workers lose $330m/mo in wages, and 67,000 out of work in LA, and we won’t be able to get the rigs back for years and years, our economy and the domestic oil industry will be ruined. George Soros will be making millions on his investment helped along by his puppet administration.

    Follow the money is right.

  46. Cool – the hotel booking feature suggests an arrival date of 110-6-22! That’s two Y2K bugs of that type I’ve seen this week. Oddly enough, clicking on the calendar icon I get a calendar for June 2010.

  47. @Pat, I’ll put my math and observation abilities against their computer models any day, regardless of their level and focus of their education. Having a doctorate doesn’t mean one can’t be wrong, it means it took them an awful long time to get a job and become useful and productive. To this day, some still haven’t and insist on making up fantasies like the rest of us did when we were about 10 y/o.

  48. Oh yeah, that reminds me. At the ICCC, I was expecting a free gasoline card and maybe a gold plated cigarette holder in the goody bag. No such luck – I think some killjoy replaced them with a non-regulation size hockey stick (i.e. small enough to nearly fit in the bag), four DVDs, and a bunch of climate articles. I don’t need more
    reading, I have more reading than I can keep up with! Gas cards? That’s something I could use!

  49. You work on a shoestring, you have no government grants,you will never win the nobel prize,you will never receive a knighthood/CBE/OBE/KBE keys to and city and no honours from the UEA/royal society/nasa or benefit from any of the establishment buy off schemes.
    Your hard work and selfless devotion to the truth and your almost impossible struggle against the well funded and powerful vested interest groups is a David and goliath battle against fanatical political establishmentarians who will stop at nothing to destroy you. The media either ignores you or twists your words or allows your enemies to poison your work.

    Yet we who follow your efforts and those who contribute hold you in greater esteem than any so called hero of the establishment with their fake awards and false status as pimped by a corrupted media.
    The true hero requires no nobel prize or buy off grant money, all the grant cash and fake awards in the world cannot and never will buy the truth.
    Fight the good fight not because its easy or you will gain the passing gratitude of the clapping seals/establishment chatterati but because it is the right thing and the right thing was never easy nor should it be.

    Thankyou for your efforts on my behalf.

  50. Al Gored says:
    June 21, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Al,
    BP as being “the most dangerous oil company in the world” – ‘av a larf Mate! how about placing any of the next few way above BP or any of the majors for that matter:
    PDVSA, Venzuela’s state oil Co; CNOC, China; Any from the list of Russian supergiants….etc…kill far more but bury the news.
    Remember, the rig’s BOPs failed. The rig and it’s BOP stack was owned and maintained by Transocean. Who delivered a dividend recently. And are viewed as American as apple pie, even if they’re registered as Swiss (Halliburton are registered in Dubai, are they an Arabian Co?)

    AleaJactaEst

  51. AleaJactaEst says:
    June 21, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Don’t blame the messenger. That was the title of the story… and its a little tabloidy to catch attention I guess. I just copied and pasted it… Its more about Mr. Hope and Change et al.

    Here it is again:

    “The Spill, The Scandal and the President The inside story of how Obama failed to crack down on the corruption of the Bush years – and let the world’s most dangerous oil company get away with murder”

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965

  52. I listened to the BBC this morning and laughed: “the sceptics have been proved wrong … there is a consensus …. a majority of experts(?) in the field agree than mankind is partly responsible for global warming”.

    In other words, a majority agree that mankind isn’t the sole cause of the small upswing. A majority are not prepared to say: “this is the greatest disaster facing mankind”, a majority have retrenched to the basic physics that CO2 is a IR blocking gas so its increase ought to raise temperatures.

    AND A MAJORITY CAN’T AGREE HOW MUCH!!!

    This makes them a complete laughing stock. In real science, the longer you wait, the more evidence you get in, the tighter your error bars and so the more certain you are of the result. In climate “science” it is the opposite way around. The more real evidence that comes in the more apparent it is that they haven’t a clue what they are talking about and the wider the evidence forces the error bars until they are completely meaningless.

  53. Ric Werme says:
    ” No such luck – I think some killjoy replaced them with a non-regulation size hockey stick (i.e. small enough to nearly fit in the bag)”
    But was it carved from bristlecone pine or Yamal larch? That would be a keeper! Straight to the pool room!

  54. Dont worry I get accused of being a corporate shill all the time. I always ask the accuser just which co Im supposed to be shilling for so I can send them a bill for my time heheheh.. :)

  55. Mike Hassler,

    Fools rush in where angels fear to tread?

    I believe the whole ethos of alarmism is to bounce us into an ill thought out hasty and ill judged series of actions without stopping to consider the wider ramifications and waiting until more information can be gathered.
    It certainly seems that the alarmist believers demand that we take a leap into the dark based on faith rather than reason and caution. The ethos demands with incresingly shrill urgency that we should not think but act without thinking. Rational and reasoned caution is missing replaced with a foolish desire to gamble with our very future based on kneejerk emotional frenzy.

  56. The so-called study led by Mr Anderegg of Stanford University is nothing more than a fairly dim-witted attempt on the part of the authors to ‘be real scientists’. The study , if it were designed by Year 11 students at high schools in the UK would be failed by most teachers here who know a little about survey design. For the warmers to say that this study is anything more than what it is, a simplistic and badly-designed attempt to be a self-fulfilling prophecy, actually defines the low scientific standards accepted by the authors of the paper. And if it’s okay for a ‘computer support worker’ to be listed as a co-author on this paper, why do similar job titles on the sceptical side of the ledger become a minus in the authors’ estimation of ‘credibility’.

    For me, Judith Curry’s slightly droll and understated comment about the study is right on the money – ‘unconvincing’ indeed!

    Can I add my thanks to Anthony, the WUWT team and all those who share quality posts with the on-line community. A new piece of personal education every day!

  57. Today I followed the links from Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit to the Petition for Reconsideration by Peabody Energy Company.

    I spent a good part of the day reading through it. I have been a “skeptic” for many years and aware of what has been going on.

    The petition covers, mainly, the implications of the “climategate” emails and for me, brought the whole scam back into focus. The lawyers didn’t leave anything out !

    James Sexton said above:- “Having a doctorate doesn’t mean one can’t be wrong,”
    James, I would just add, “and is not a crook !”

    I recommend the read,,,, maintain the rage !

  58. I like Malcolm Chapman’s question to Mr. Watts. “Are you coming to England anytime soon?” I think it would be marvellous for our cause if Mr Watts could do a lecture tour across the UK. I see a friendly organisation arranging a series of high profile lectures/debates in the major cities across the UK , and as news from the UK is distributed and read more than from any other country worldwide, the publicity would be tremendously valuable. We could ensure that press coverage is distributed worldwide. We could invite support from people like Lord Lawson (no relation) and other high profile supporters. We might even invite the pro. lobby like AL Gore and Doctor Hanson!! The cost of course would be borne by the usual big business!!! but if that was not forthcoming, we could cover it by an appeal to bloggers and blog readers. I would like to hear the views of others and particularly of Mr., Watts himself.

  59. Ironically, BP has in fact paid millions to lobbyists — to agitate for climate change legislation! They want the government to force us to buy their inefficient “green tech.” This is commonly known as “rent-seeking behavior” or “corporatism.”

    I would bet dollars to doughnuts AGW alarmists have gotten more money from Big Oil than skeptics. In fact, I’ll bet they’ve gotten more than ten times as much.

  60. timetochooseagain says:
    June 21, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Why is it that nobody cries “Big Wind stooge!” or “Subsidy chaser!”? Surely these represent equally if not more serious corrupting influences.
    ______________________________________________________________
    How about Big OIL Central Banker Shill? st

    The political activists in favor of AGW are either very uninformed or have hidden agendas. They do not real care about AGW as long as it pushes their agenda ahead. Marxism and Socialism do not consider lying about the truth or the facts dishonorable if it will advance their cause.

    John Dewey, Father of modern education in the USA stated:
    “…There is no God and there is no soul. Hence, there are no needs for the props of traditional religion. With dogma and creed excluded, then immutable truth is also dead and buried. There is no room for fixed, natural law or moral absolutes. – (Rondald Nash, The Closing of the American Heart: What’s Really Wrong with America’s Schools, United States: Probe Books, 1990, 91)

    So where did the current political push for the environmental/AGW originate? In Elaine Dewar wrote in Toronto’s Saturday Night magazine:

    “It is instructive to read Strong’s 1972 Stockholm speech and compare it with the issues of Earth Summit 1992. Strong warned urgently about global warming, the devastation of forests, the loss of biodiversity, polluted oceans, the population time bomb. Then as now, he invited to the conference the brand-new environmental NGOs [non-governmental organizations]: he gave them money to come; they were invited to raise hell at home. After Stockholm, environment issues became part of the administrative framework in Canada, the U.S., Britain, and Europe.”

    http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg106963.html

    So where does Maurice Strong stand as a CO2 emitter? Well if you thought Al Gore was a hypocrite, Strong has him topped by a mile. He is the biggest source of CO2 emissions in Canada!

    “…Ontario Hydro, an industrial concern, headed by Earth Summit secretary general Maurice Strong, which is the biggest source of CO2 emissions in Canada. This corporation is currently selling nuclear reactors to Argentina and Chile…. “ (Remember Strong is also the one who had everyone anti-nuclear in the 70’s and 80’s) http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/061.html

    Strong’s life long ties to oil started in 1953 in Saudi Arabia where he worked for the Rockefellers. At age 29 he became president of Power Corporation, he has served as president of energy companies such as Petro-Canada and Ontario Hydro, and was on the board of industrial giant Toyota. In 1981 he had moved on to Denver as oil promoter AZL Resources with arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi. He is a huge political donor, not just in Canada, but in the USA to both the Republican and Democratic parties. Strong sits on boards with the Rockefellers, Mikhail Gorbachev and chairs private meetings of CEOs, including Bill Gates. He hobnobs with the world’s royalty, with dictators and despots. He is Senior Advisor to the World Bank too. http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html

    So what are Strong’s actually thoughts on Western economic success?
    “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” Maurice Strong

    http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/Groups/DAVOS/davos.htm

    And what is Strong doing now?

    Maurice Strong is in Beijing China working for CH2M Hill.
    CH2M Hill, is “an employee-owned multinational firm providing engineering, construction, operations and related services to public and private clients in numerous industries on six continents. CH2M HILL offers integrated services that help …”

    Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, so this is the dude Al Gore and Obama (board of directors – Joyce Foundation) were in business with a when they formed the Chicago Carbon Exchange. “The largest shareholder in the Exchange is Goldman Sachs. Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley is its honorary chairman, The Joyce Foundation, which funded the Exchange also funded money for John Ayers’ Chicago School Initiatives. John is the brother of William Ayers.”

    So how dare these people claim that Anthony Watts and the rest of us skeptics are “funded by Big Oil” when they have these rich unscrupulous hypocrites as their leaders!

  61. I want to know what we are supposed to use instead of oil? Planes, trains and tract0r-trailer trucks don’t run on wind, or solar or electricity. Neither do our passenger vehicles nor does farm equipment.

    Wind and solar can be used to generate electricity. This may reduce our use of coal and natural gas, but it won’t make much difference in oil. A good portion of the oil we import also goes to manufacturing as raw materials for plastics and related products.

  62. Of course Anthony has little credibility until he’s able to charge $2000 a plate to speak at a dinner, where press and recording devices are banned. ;-)

    Lovely suite at the hotel, btw. They are so much more spacious with LCD TV.

  63. Jimmy Haigh says:
    June 21, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “Are they ‘saving the whales’ or is it ‘the whole in the ozone layer’ that they are worried about?”

    Here is Monckton clearing that up with Green”Peace”;

    I think its the TIPPING POINT. Beware of the TIPPING POINT!

  64. Well this is about as good a place as any to put this:-

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract

    So it appears to be a study by the NAS, as in National Academies of Science; but it also appears to contain NO science at all; but is as ad hominem attack on any who disagree with the MMGWCC that the NAS promulgates; in order to continue the government research funding gravy train.

    The article also has the temerity to certify that the authors have no conflict of interest.

    So there’s Dr Stephen H. Schneider of Stanford; the very epitome of a conflict of interest; trying to defend the indefensible; his invention of “Climate Sensitivity”, without which, there would be no need for all of these statistical mathematicians who swill at the public trough fed by “Climate change” propaganda.

    But isn’t it odd that the NAS would put out an article which is nothing but an ad hominem argument against those who disagree with their view of the science of climate; and not say anything at all, about that science that is the material under dispute.

    And for Schneider to claim to be without conflict of interest, is at best laughable.

    But check it out; I have a ticket to the full paper; but I am not planning to read it; since it contains no climate science.

  65. Some slightly embarrassed environmental activist NGO’s around nowadays. I had to smile reading the Economists’ description of green groups fleeing BP’s largess in panic.

    http://www.economist.com/node/16274145?story_id=16274145

    “The website of one such NGO, the Nature Conservancy, has been bombarded with complaints from donors horrified by the discovery (although it had never hidden the fact) that over the years it had received around $10m in gifts of cash and land from BP”

    Sceptics don’t see much (or any!) oil money but green groups sure do.

  66. More on Oil or Big Oil
    Doctor Cho is Sec of energy. It is clear that BP will save the world. Save the environment. Sock puppets will say great things if you feed them money.

    Looks like big Green has been feeding at the Big Oil trough.

  67. Here’s a way to spread the word about climategate.

    Hire the same agency that put up those white on black billboards with messages from “God”.

    Just put one word on them, large as possible. CLIMATEGATE
    Put them up in DC, Los Angeles, New York City, where the highest concentration of useful idiots can be found. Curious people will search for the word on the web.

    Another one that might work well. HARRY_READ_ME.TXT
    Perhaps “So, we can have a proper result, but only by including a load of garbage!” might work too, but it’s a bit wordy for people to read and remember as they zip past on the freeway.

  68. Anthony, if you saw hotel rooms I’ve spent weeks on when travelling in Bolivia, at $3.00 the night (my Exxon budget didn’t allow more than that), you’d shoot your brains out before entering those “hotels”.

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