Will Soaring Insurance Costs Derail the EV Revolution?

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Image courtesy of the Dutch Coast Guard

From ClimateREALISM

Guest essay by Duggan Flanakin

Reprinted with permission from RealClearEnergy

Four hundred ninety-eight electric vehicles (EVs) and over 3,200 other vehicles, including 350 Mercedes Benzes, were bound for Egypt on the Fremantle Highway when one or more of the EVs caught fire, costing at least one seaman his life and injuring several others. Curiously, the Dutch coast guard had initially reported that only 25 of the vehicles were battery-electric models.

At last report, the Dutch coast guard admitted that it has been unable to put out the fire and that the ship has taken on water and is “listing” and on a trajectory toward a capsize. Should the ship sink, the total loss would also threaten the Frisian island of Ameland, part of a UNESCO World Heritage Site that is home to over 10,000 aquatic and terrestrial species and located near one of the world’s most important migratory-bird habitats.

On a global scale, of course, 3,000 vehicles are but a drop in the bucket, and in insurance terms, the loss of one 18,500–ton transport ship and one human life (all the wounded are expected to survive, despite broken bones, burns, and respiratory problems) is only so much. To compute a total cost, the ecological devastation would also have to be factored in, along with the cost of rescue, firefighting, and salvage operations.

But all in all, this was a freak accident, a one-off. This stuff never happens. Right?

Actually, it does. Just a year ago, the “Felicity Ace” sank as it was being towed from the site where 13 days earlier a fire had broken out on board. That ship, too, was transporting EVs and internal-combustion vehicles – including 15 Lamborghini Aventador LP 780-4 Ultimae supercars valued at half a million dollars apiece. Also lost were 1,117 Porches, 1,944 Audis, 561 Volkswagens, 189 Bentleys, and 70 other Lamborghinis.

And just a month ago, two firefighters died battling flames that broke out on another roll-on, roll-off (RORO) cargo ship docked at Port Newark in New Jersey. Firefighters arrived at the scene when just five to seven vehicles on the 10th floor of the ship were on fire, but the fire quickly spread to the 11th and 12th floors.

One commenter explained that on a RORO ship, vehicles are chain-shackled on all four wheels to the deck, creating trip hazards for firefighters. There are multiple decks, ramps, ladders, confined spaces, low overhead, and solid metal all around (like a gigantic oven). Fighting such fires is a very dangerous challenge, even if the deck plan of the ship is well known.

The port authority assured reporters that no EVs numbered among the 5,000 vehicles (bound for Africa) on board, but just imagine if the fire had begun with the ship far out at sea. Or imagine the horror should an EV fire break out on a ferry boat carrying hundreds of vehicles and thousands of passengers? Or in an underground parking garage in a New York high-rise?

Olivia Murray notes that automakers have largely replaced steel and metal with plastic, and that a huge fire could unleash immeasurable quantities of synthetic chemicals into the atmosphere from the burning plastic. A total capsize would send millions of pounds of debris and spilled motor oil (from the non-EV autos) to the sea floor along with any toxic flame retardants. The impact on sensitive marine life would not be known for years.

Even at $80,000 per vehicle (a low number, perhaps), the insurance loss for the nearly 4,000 vehicles on the “Felicity Ace” alone would be $320 million – and this does not include the loss to end-buyers of the opportunity to drive a vehicle that they may have already purchased.

But massive fires are not the only insurance concern with EVs. The New York Times recently reported the sad story of a Rivian owner whose electric pickup truck was involved in what would normally be considered “a minor fender bender.” The owner’s insurance company gladly offered to pay about $1,600 for the repairs, but the certified repair shop produced a bill for $42,000 – about half the cost of the vehicle.

The Times reporter explained: “A key reason is that the accident damaged a sleek panel that extends from the truck’s rear to front roof pillars.” To repair and repaint the vehicle, mechanics had to remove the interior ceiling material (the headliner) and the front windshield. Indeed, the State of New York’s consumer guide for auto insurance lists many models as “difficult-to-insure vehicles” simply because they are electric.

But that’s still better than the news reported in March that insurance companies are having to write off EVs with just a few miles – leading to higher premiums – because of the many EVs for which there is no way to repair or assess even slightly damaged battery packs after accidents. EV battery packs are ending up in junkyards in multiple countries.

According to the Agent Support Network of America, the intense impact of a crash can be much more devastating to EVs, increasing the likelihood of a totaled versus repairable car. EVs, according to Consumer Reports, may not withstand an accident as well as traditional gasoline-powered vehicles. EV batteries are vulnerable to damage, and with any indication of a compromised battery, insurance companies will likely declare an EV crash a total loss.

An overlooked insurance cost for EVs involves towing, which many insurance customers (and AAA members) take for granted as an inexpensive add-on to their policies. But EVs can be safely towed only on a flatbed truck with enough load capacity to handle the extra weight of the vehicle. Drivers are warned not to allow anyone to try to tow their EV with its wheels on the ground. Improper towing can damage, even total, the vehicle.

The higher costs for auto insurance only add to the already-higher costs of purchasing an EV, then procuring a personal charging station and spending more money to upgrade home wiring boxes (especially for older homes). The inconvenience of having your nearly new vehicle totaled – and then having to wait perhaps months for a replacement – further adds to the “buyer avoidance” that has frustrated those who demand an immediate end to the traditional gasoline-powered vehicles that most people around the world rely upon.

As automakers continue to lose money on EVs and consumers worldwide continue to prefer the vehicles they have learned to trust over decades, will EV mandates fall by the wayside – or will elites again double down, believing that “resistance is futile”?

Duggan Flanakin is a senior policy analyst for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow and a frequent writer on public policy issues. 


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DMacKenzie
August 24, 2023 6:15 am

Increased insurance rates due to Climate Change….of course!

James Snook
August 24, 2023 6:16 am

It is ridiculous that Western Governments have resorted to command economics to force a change from IC engined vehicles to EV’s.

If people wish to do so, they should be free to buy an EV but its purchase should not be subsidised by other tax payers. If Manufactures wish to continue producing IC engined models because of customer demand they should be free to do so and not fined if they do.

Command economics are blunt instruments that lead to economic calamity and pain for the populace. They never achieve their stated objectives.

Reply to  James Snook
August 24, 2023 9:41 am

but its purchase should not be subsidised by other tax payers.

look if my tax dollars build and maintain your roads they can also subsidize EVs.

if my tax dollars build and maintain a blue water fleet that maintains free and open trade routes for Oil transport, then they can be used to subsidize EVs.

its my tax dollars and I i vote in people who promise to subsidize EVs, then thats just democracy working

Energywise
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 9:57 am

But it’s not just you alarmists dollars being sequestered by dodgy shills selling nut zero tat, everyone is being forced to do it, that ain’t democracy
If you wish to fund battery cars, that’s your choice, my choice is to stick with the far superior ICE vehicle

James Snook
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 10:37 am

But these imbeciles are not just subsidising EVs they are demanding that manufactures switch to them and if they don’t they will be penalised. I doubt that the majority voted for this version Mao’s ‘Great Leap Forward’, but that is what has been imposed on them.

More Soylent Green!
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:06 am

It’s a corruption of democracy.

MarkW
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 11:47 am

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Steven is convinced that he will always be a wolf.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2023 2:07 pm

Democracy is not perfect and we have seen how brittle it can be recently, but if you have a better system, I’d love to hear it?

Duker
Reply to  Simon
August 24, 2023 2:24 pm

Democracy has many flavours from the direct democracy- consensus politics of the Swiss, to the multi-party proportional European to the UK and USA types Most have a westminister system where the executive-legislature is one not the separate US system

spren
Reply to  Simon
August 24, 2023 6:14 pm

America is not a democracy. James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay – our primary framers of our Constitution, went to great lengths in their compilation of essays called the Federalist Papers to detail their contempt for democracy and to warn how it invariably leads to mob rule and its own self-destruction.

cimdave
Reply to  spren
August 26, 2023 7:59 am

Sadly, the system we have seems to have led to the same problem.
Politics is downstream of culture.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
August 24, 2023 9:58 pm

Easy, only those who pay taxes get to vote.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Simon
August 26, 2023 2:41 pm

You ever hear of karma, or what goes around comes around or make your and then have to sleep in it, …?

Be careful what you wish for!

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2023 5:23 pm

You left out the rest of that… “…a republic is a well-armed sheep.”

More Soylent Green!
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:07 am

Doesn’t that same blue water navy transport EVs? Transport lithium batteries, lithium ore, refined lithium, etc.?

JamesB_684
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 12:10 pm

I think he’s talking about the Navy, not the Merchant Marine.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  JamesB_684
August 24, 2023 1:14 pm

Point still stands, same tax dollars.

Duker
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 2:26 pm

Lithium ores arent fire prone.

And yes lithium batteries in container ships are causing fires in them too

real bob boder
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:20 am

Fake libertarian. Wealth is created by using less to do more. There are no practice solutions to roads and military’s but they are a cost that only an efficient market economy can afford.

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:44 am

It was taxes on gas/diesel that built most of those roads.

I just love it the way idiots on the left actually believe that one subsidy justifies any subsidy.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2023 11:46 am

The edit function is still broken.

According to Steve, the fact that there are more people who want to be supported than who want to do the supporting justifies raising taxes as much as needed.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2023 1:18 pm

In the UK, on the last year available, the government raised £33 billion from fuel duties and Vehicle Excise Duty (aka VED) and spent £11 billion on road infrastructure.

Duker
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
August 24, 2023 2:29 pm

Didnt realise it was such an imbalance

spren
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2023 6:17 pm

According to the genius (not) Mosher, these subsidies also justify his house being subsidized. He used to seem to have a semblance of intelligence, but something went wrong over time.

Mike Maguire
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 1:13 pm

“its my tax dollars and I i vote in people who promise to subsidize EVs, then thats just democracy working”

Very true Steven. What does that say about you then?

  1. Uniformed?
  2. In denial?
  3. Part of the crony capitalists getting rich off the subsidies?
  4. Allegiance to a political ideology/tribe that practices fake climate crisis religion and costly fake green environmentalism which is wrecking the planet to save it?
cimdave
Reply to  Mike Maguire
August 26, 2023 8:02 am

Greed

karlomonte
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 2:06 pm

The question mosh won’t answer: Got yer own battery car yet, steve?

bnice2000
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 4:14 pm

Can anyone ever recall ICE cars being subsidised for the general public?

Can anyone remember anyone saying you can only buy an ICE car, rather than a horse and cart?

Sorry Mosh, people will vote with their wallet and their needs.

The only need covered by an EV, is virtue-seeking.

B Zipperer
Reply to  bnice2000
August 24, 2023 8:31 pm

Obama’s 2009 “Cash for Clunkers” comes to mind.
And note it was widely felt to be a failure [both on economics & environment].
Just another example of subsidies causing misapplication of capital.

John McKeon
Reply to  bnice2000
August 25, 2023 3:36 pm

C mon EVs are far superior in efficiency et al. What is needed is the “slot car” mode. Should i go to my municipality and suggest a feasibility study? Hmm VW maybe.That’s the brand I own. I drove it home from the dealership. It’s a fine SUV.

ATheoK
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 25, 2023 6:17 am

its my tax dollars and I i vote in people who promise to subsidize EVs, then thats just democracy working”

🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
🤡

cimdave
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 26, 2023 7:56 am

Dmocracy is 100 wolves and 99 sheep deciding what’s for dinner.

Energywise
Reply to  James Snook
August 24, 2023 9:55 am

Fully agree James – it’s like a mafia enforced racket – Governments should keep out of free markets and science because they are ruining both

MarkW
Reply to  James Snook
August 24, 2023 11:43 am

The left believes in command economies for all aspects of your life.

doonman
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2023 12:44 pm

When its hot outside you should not charge your EV. So says Gov Newsom.

spren
Reply to  James Snook
August 24, 2023 6:09 pm

No Mosher, you fool. This is not “democracy working.” This is the classic example of fascism which James is calling command economics. Fascism is where the facade of private ownership is retained, but government calls the shots and sets the direction and requirements for both producers and consumers. If EVs were so superior, government wouldn’t have to mandate them as people would buy them on their own. I’m so sick of this idiocy.

ResourceGuy
August 24, 2023 6:18 am

Or on the maiden voyage of a White Star luxury liner on the Atlantic loaded with the EVs of passenger Al Gore and John Kerry, lifeboats not required for the 3rd class ICE owners on board

Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 24, 2023 9:43 am

always dreaming of the death of enemies.

this is how actual violence starts.

Energywise
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 10:00 am

Your alarmist tribe policies will kill more people through hunger, poverty and cold, remember that up there on your high horse

abolition man
Reply to  Energywise
August 24, 2023 1:09 pm

That’s not a high horse; Mouser believes that his Rocinante is a unicorn! And his quixotic quest is to protect windmills from mental giants!
Only in the dark mind of a Climastrologist can the slaughter of birds, bats and whales be called “protecting the environment,” explosive growth in child and slave labor are to be celebrated; but open and fair elections are now a “threat to democracy!”

real bob boder
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:21 am

No believing the ends justify the means is how actual violence starts, ie the lefts playbook

Tony_G
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:34 am

You mean like showing off someone’s bloody severed head?

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:48 am

The english major once again fails at basic reading comprehension.

bnice2000
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2023 4:20 pm

…. and basic writing !

bnice2000
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 4:19 pm

So moosh is now ADMITTING that he knows EV cars are fire-prone and hence lethal in a confined ship.

I hope your feet are tasty, moosh, or is sucking your toes your equivalent sucking your thumb ?

DavsS
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 25, 2023 1:02 am

Try reading what he actually wrote.

Tom Halla
August 24, 2023 6:24 am

There is also the issue of homeowners/residential fire insurance. A large number of single family houses have an attached garage, or high rise apartment buildings with parking on lower floors. Parking/charging a BEV in that situation is an obvious risk.

More Soylent Green!
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 24, 2023 6:50 am

IIRC, several residential buildings in NYC ban e-bikes because of the fire risks from the batteries.

186no
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 24, 2023 7:03 am

…and not just within the confines of the EV owner’s residence – I will be amazed if underwriters do not get around to asking about the proximity of EVs in the same way as they do trees and use non disclosure of the “material fact” of any neighbour/ing EV as a reason to refuse any claim….

Tom in Florida
Reply to  186no
August 24, 2023 8:04 pm

Most likely they will add an exclusion to the policy that EV fire damage is not covered. That will be more effective than all the science arguments put together.

Reply to  Tom Halla
August 24, 2023 9:44 am

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your phone is a risk.
your gas stove, your generator.

Energywise
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 10:03 am

Climate alarmism is the greatest risk from a climate hazard that doesn’t even exist

Tom Halla
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 10:05 am

This is more like the risk of old Town Gas, which had a high carbon monoxide level, without any warning scent.
The size of Li ion batteries matters quite a lot, too. A thousand kilo battery is much more of a risk than a tenth kilo battery.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 24, 2023 1:13 pm

In the UK a smell was added to towwn gas and is still added to natural gas. Companies add a harmless chemical called mercaptan to give it its distinctive “rotten egg” smell.

real bob boder
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:23 am

Reading your nonsense is a risk, scale matters

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:50 am

In what pathetically passes as your mind, all risks are equal?

Lee Riffee
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 12:28 pm

yes, your I-Phone can catch on fire…and if it does, you chuck it outside. Your Tesla catches fire in your garage, then what? Kind of like a thimble full of black powder vs several 55 gallon drums full.

bnice2000
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 4:23 pm

Phone has a TINY battery.. and yes, they have exploded too.

EV battery is huge and contains a lot of energy.

They are a disaster waiting to happen…

antigtiff
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 24, 2023 9:46 am

In Spokane vandals have thrown e-bikes in the river causing serious pollution.

strativarius
August 24, 2023 6:50 am

They will double down – and tax the hell out of us.

doonman
Reply to  strativarius
August 24, 2023 12:49 pm

And when they can’t raise taxes, they will inflate the money supply for the same effect and blame someone else.

More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 6:50 am

The people who advocate (that is, attempt to mandate) EVs don’t live in the real world. How many people pushing EVs actually have one? How many use them as their primary vehicle?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 7:42 am

How many have one as their ONE AND ONLY vehicle?!

A vehicle suited for only certain “use cases” is basically worthless, which is exactly how I would characterize BEVs.

Pretty much the same way I would characterize “plug in hybrids,” since if the “battery” isn’t charged, what you’ve got is called an “underpowered piece of shit that can’t get out of its own way and gets lousy gas mileage as a bonus.”

Energywise
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
August 24, 2023 10:08 am

The only people I know who have battery cars are company car drivers dodging BIK – most would never buy one themselves

J Boles
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 9:03 am

How many of them have solar panels on the roof? That is telling in itself.

Energywise
Reply to  J Boles
August 24, 2023 10:08 am

They’re the green crap for thee, but not for me gang

Reply to  J Boles
August 25, 2023 7:55 pm

you got an Oil well and coal mine in your back yard.

telling

Energywise
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 10:06 am

Imagine if your neighbours battery car burnt your home down whilst charging over night in its garage, or on the drive – alarmist shills don’t want one anywhere near them or their families – they want you and I to own one though, we are acceptable green crap collateral damage to save a burning planet, allegedly

JamesB_684
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
August 24, 2023 12:25 pm

I know one, were I work. Unmarried, no kids, lives with his girlfriend. Has only the EV. Will hold forth endlessly on the virtues of EV, often aggressively.
I avoid talking to him as he’s fanatical about it: won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject.

Fran
Reply to  JamesB_684
August 24, 2023 5:19 pm

My brother was an early taker-upper. Only took a few months before they became a 2 car family.

ResourceGuy
August 24, 2023 7:21 am

Insurers don’t like repeated “one off” events.

Energywise
Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 24, 2023 10:10 am

And as more battery cars take to the roads, the instances of self combustions, explosions and sever battery related accidents will exponentially rise

Paul S
August 24, 2023 7:33 am

I own two 93-year-old Model A’s that I drive most any day. They are easy to work on, easy to fix and last forever. Ask the people in Cuba about their cars. They just don’t make them like they used to!

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Paul S
August 24, 2023 8:04 am

I feel the same about my younger 53 Ford Customline. EV’s haven’t improved much since 1917 when the addition of electric start to the model T killed the EV. Back then the electrics were priced from about $2300 when the model T could be had for less than $500. The Model T actually cost less than the replacement Nickel Iron battery for a Detroit electric car. Glad to see you on here. 🙋‍♂️

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Paul S
August 24, 2023 5:25 pm

Pictures, please!!!

chrisspeke
August 24, 2023 7:35 am

It would seem that EV’s are beginning to look more like asbestos or nuclear junk when it comes to treating them after an accident . They would seem to be morphing into an environmental nightmare which manufacturers are going to learn , will stymie their sales .

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  chrisspeke
August 24, 2023 8:12 am

Agreed to put out the fires Tesla submerges the entire car in a water tank, and leaves it there for months, Hard to get more extreme than that. They say it is the only way to guarantee the fire will go out. I wouldn’t have one anywhere near my house.

Fran
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 24, 2023 5:23 pm

The Tesla up the street from up will start a forest fire if anything happens while charging

William Howard
August 24, 2023 7:38 am

not to mention perhaps catching on fire in your garage at night and burning down the house. 13 people have been killed in NY while riding their EV bikes – all for the climate change fraud – wonder when this nonsense will end

Disputin
Reply to  William Howard
August 24, 2023 8:14 am

When they run out of EV owners

cipherstream
August 24, 2023 7:47 am

How much more likely would it be that leading auto insurance agencies would just not provide a policy for electric vehicles? It maybe that EV owners/operators would find themselves becoming self-insured or that the EV manufacturers would need to create an automobile insurance product in addition to the automobile itself.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  cipherstream
August 24, 2023 8:20 am

That would be very bad. Since they are making ICE vehicles illegal this would mean that only the rich people will be able to afford insurance and the little people won’t be able to drive at all.

WEF” You will own nothing and be happy, in your tiny cubicle, in a 15 minute city”

Sorry but I am not a serf and I will not comply.😠

Energywise
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 24, 2023 10:11 am

I’m with you Matthew

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
August 24, 2023 5:27 pm

In the minds of the Climate Gestapo, that’s a feature, not a bug.

Disputin
Reply to  cipherstream
August 24, 2023 8:20 am

It also includes third-party coverage for neibouring properties.

DFJ150
August 24, 2023 8:33 am

Living in a northern clime, where summer temps exceed 100 F, and winter temps drop to 35 below or colder, the narrow temperature range in which these “zero emission” vehicles (complete BS!) would drastically limit the days in which I may see more than a few miles of range. Also, since they have a nasty tendency to burst into flames which are very difficult to extinguish, I wouldn’t feel safe parking such a technological wonder in my garage. So a $100,000+ vehicle would stay outside to endure the ravages of UV and the weather (plenty of hail in the summer). During the winter, the spectacular 68 mile range (Ford Lightning) towing a trailer, and the lack of sufficient charging stations along the route, would preclude any 670 mile trips to my snowmobiling destination. And, God forbid I get into any minor fender-bender, which might gently jostle the battery and necessitate its replacement at $20-30 thousand dollars. All this supremely expensive and false virtue signaling leaves me as a hard NO on these economic and environmental disasters. I’ll keep rocking my F350 diesel and wave (one finger) at the Teslas sitting motionless, hooked to their umbilical cords, at the very few charge stations along my way to winter fun.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  DFJ150
August 24, 2023 5:29 pm

My 2014 F-250 gasoline powered beast is just as effective.

Sailor76
August 24, 2023 8:39 am

Great Article!

Saving the Planet, buy an EV. What could go wrong?

That ship could sink and take out some of the most pristine ecological areas of the Netherlands by spoiling it with Oil Slicks and what not else?

Those Islands to the North where the Bird Sanctuaries are, have some of the most pristine Beaches I have walked on in the World. I used to vacation on Ameland, Terschelling and Texel as a child growing up in the 60’s. Easter vacation was always on one of the Islands. (a different kind of Spring Break, for sure!)

Here are a couple of links with a nice photo collage of the Island(s) and its beaches:

Wadden Islands – Holland.com

2,971 Ameland Island Images, Stock Photos & Vectors | Shutterstock

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Sailor76
August 24, 2023 9:29 am

Epic links and nice to know.
Where I am, basically = Sutton Bridge and The Wash, is ‘mirror image’ across the North Sea.
All the same stuff is here and along the north coast of Norfolk
Also the nature reserves and bird sanctuaries AND the lighthouse
Actually twin lighthouses, one each side of the river.

And isn’t ‘mudwalking’ fantastic…

I wonder how many people have figured out why they do it?
(It’s also why ‘the kids’ in UK and elsewhere love to go to their (music) festivals and very often when there, go barefoot)

What’s mudwalking all about?
They’re doing what also happens when folks visit ‘spas’ and ‘take the water’
Our skins are remarkably porous and within 20 minutes, ‘most anything put/placed on our skin is circulating in our bloodstream. So barefoot mud-walkers are soaking up vast amounts of the trace elements/minerals that are missing from modern food/diets. Soil erosion from modern farming means that all theose things are now in that mud and not on the farm anymore. (Healthy bacteria also. Esp those that make Vitamin B12)
And the pica-pica inside us rewards with Dopamine to make us ‘happy’ when we do that.

Dennis Gerald Sandberg
August 24, 2023 8:52 am

Why aren’t the green organizations rushing to the courts suing BEV manufacturers for unleashing death and destruction like they do with oil and gas companies? Exxon “knew”, what about “Elon knew”?

Energywise
Reply to  Dennis Gerald Sandberg
August 24, 2023 10:12 am

It will come

Mikeyj
August 24, 2023 8:54 am

It cost twice as much to insure a Tesla than a BMW or Cadillac.AAA

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Mikeyj
August 24, 2023 5:31 pm

I’m picking the “uninsurable at any price” for $1,000, Alex.

B Zipperer
Reply to  Mikeyj
August 24, 2023 8:42 pm

In 2021 I compared insuring a NEW Sonata hybrid to a USED Tesla3 (1-2 yrs old):
Got 2 quotes: both were about $600 more per year for the Tesla.
Did some internet research as to why? It mainly was high cost for parts, labor, and can only go to the dealer. And no aftermarket parts. Don’t recall anything about fires..

auto
August 24, 2023 9:20 am

An update: –
https://gcaptain.com/burned-out-fremantle-highway-towed-to-dutch-port-for-salvage/

The salvage will be difficult, and may produce little of value.
The hull, is safe in port, however, in Eemshaven.

No later update on GCaptain.

Auto

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  auto
August 24, 2023 5:31 pm

It actually made it to port without capsizing? I’m surprised. Is it still burning?

August 24, 2023 9:35 am

But all in all, this was a freak accident, a one-off. This stuff never happens. Right?

happens all the time like hurricanes hitting san diego.

look yall going to be driving EVs in 10 years cause Oil is dead

Gunga Din
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 9:51 am

In 10 years?
Do you drive a DeLorean?

Energywise
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 24, 2023 10:17 am

Steven will continue driving his 2lt diesel whilst spouting utter nonsense

Ian_e
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 10:11 am

Wow: the stupid, it burns (almost as well as EVs!).

Energywise
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 10:16 am

imagine all your dodgy, toxic batteries clogging landfills in 10 years time whilst ICE vehicles continue just going and going and going, no doubt you will still be in one then, as now

real bob boder
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:30 am

A hurricane hit San Diego? That need to everyone.

real bob boder
Reply to  real bob boder
August 24, 2023 11:33 am

News

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 11:58 am

Y’all going to be driving EVs in 10 years. The totalitarian wannabe has spoken.

A hurricane didn’t hit San Diego. Big storms on the other hand do hit San Diego a couple of times per century.

Once again the English major proves that he’s a complete failure at anything involving math.

I wish Steve would post more often, every time he does, he exposes the ugly underside to climate alarmism.
Illiterate, innumerate and totalitarian to the core.

heme212
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 12:54 pm

and gold is a barbarous relic.

doonman
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 12:58 pm

Hurricanes have not hit San Diego. In ten years I will not be driving anything as I will be too old. Just stop making yourself look ridiculous, it’s not that hard.

bnice2000
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 4:59 pm

moosh yet again shows his total lack of ability to make coherent sentences.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 5:33 pm

My 10 year old 6.2 liter ICE can be repaired and rebuilt and rebuilt and repaired again until ICE vehicles are once more available for purchase.

slowroll
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
August 24, 2023 6:34 pm

I do wish I’d never sold my 1953 Jaguar XK-120. Lovely car, and absolutely duck soup to fix. Real bumpers too, so minor bumps caused no damage.

spren
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 24, 2023 7:55 pm

If you’re still alive in 10 years you’ll be even dumber than you are now. Every one of your ridiculous comments sounds like a pathetic attempt at parody.

Energywise
August 24, 2023 9:53 am

In 2022, there were 108 battery vehicle fires in NYC alone
I refuse to park next to one in a public car park because of the high risk of battery car self combustion
Thankfully my neighbours are as negative on battery cars as I am, so the risk of collateral damage by next doors battery car exploding is nil
As more and more of these things self combust and ignite other cars near them, or indeed homes or other buildings in close enough proximity for fire spread, then insurers will undoubtedly hike premiums and maybe stipulate certain insurance criteria, such as no parking during over night or during charges in or near to other vehicles or buildings
These insurance hikes will no doubt be spread amongst all motorists, not just battery vehicle drivers, to keep the cost of insuring battery vehicles as low as possible to aid their take up
My gut tells me the whole battery vehicle con will fizzle out within the next 2-3 years, no one wants them

mikelowe2013
Reply to  Energywise
August 24, 2023 12:48 pm

Our retirement village already bans the charging of EV batteries in our underground car park.How long before councils and roading authorities ban them altogether in tunnels, parking buildings, proxinity to anything risking massive loss, etc.? Can’t be long before that happens, and I can’t see the insurance industry knuckling under to unreasonable demands!

Dave Andrews
August 24, 2023 10:02 am

Just asked the Ducks ‘Are EV manufacturers losing money?’

1st page came up with

  • AA (UK) survey of 15,000 drivers found 18% plan to buy an EV next , down from 25% in 2022
  • EV start up Lucid losing $500,000 for every car it sells
  • In 12 years of selling EVs Tesla has never made an annual profit
  • GM will lose money on its EVs till 2025
  • Ford says it will lose $3 bn on EVs in 2023

Didn’t carry on but glad to see the EV revolution is in such good health 🙂

karlomonte
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 24, 2023 2:04 pm

Without forced taxation, there would be no market for these beasts at all.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  karlomonte
August 24, 2023 5:41 pm

Simplify that to, without government force…

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 24, 2023 5:40 pm

More proof that only force and virtue signaling are behind this. Henry Ford was able to get rich off Model-Ts and Model-As only because people would buy them at a profit. Every ICE vehicle before him had been losing money because they were too high-priced, and that was because they did not simplify it to be able to mass produce them. Now, it was such an enthusiastic market that even if Henry Ford had never been born, someone somewhere around that same time would have introduced an ICE powered automobile at a cheap enough price for nearly everyone to buy, but Henry happened to be the lucky one that turned his ideas into reality before anyone else.

slowroll
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
August 24, 2023 6:26 pm

With no government subsidy.

MarkW
August 24, 2023 11:42 am

The green’s ideal world has everyone, except themselves, crammed into high density cities and either walking or taking public transportation.

William Howard
August 24, 2023 11:58 am

and apparently there is not after market for these monstrosities since unlike ICE cars whose engine can outlast the car itself, as the EVs age and the batteries become useless the car has to be scrapped – so owners are paying the full price unlike ICE cars that will have some trade in value –

slowroll
Reply to  William Howard
August 24, 2023 6:41 pm

Regretably, the electronic controls (also mandated by EPA), will fail before the engine. I fear for the availability of replacement parts. I miss the older cars with no electronics. I say this, and I spent my career in the semiconductor business. Ya can’t make microprocessor in your garage on a lathe.

doonman
August 24, 2023 12:40 pm

The marketplace always decides which products will succeed.

heme212
August 24, 2023 12:51 pm

it’s a very small price to pay to keep those private mega-yachts from choking on biodiesel.

Mikehig
August 24, 2023 12:54 pm

According to the head of the salvage company all of the EVs are in good condition, untouched by fire:
https://insideevs.com/news/683115/evs-on-fremantle-highway-cargo-ship-good-condition-

Duker
Reply to  Mikehig
August 24, 2023 2:31 pm

hahaha very clever , news from “Inside EVs” would say that

Gunga Din
Reply to  Duker
August 25, 2023 12:03 pm

Was there an Ad on the page that said, “Have we got some EV deals for you!”?

prjndigo
August 24, 2023 1:45 pm

The “genpack” power train has already won. These battery-only piles of garbage cost far too much and have far too short of lives.

Bob
August 24, 2023 3:15 pm

Remove all mandates, subsidies and tax preferences and all of these problems disappear. This is a government problem not an energy, transportation or environmental problem.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Bob
August 24, 2023 5:42 pm

…government “created” problem…

Bob
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
August 24, 2023 7:50 pm

I don’t disagree.

John the Econ
August 24, 2023 8:14 pm

And even non-EV vehicle owners will be paying higher insurance rates because of the possible liability should they accidentally hit an EV. Better check your coverage now that that Tesla or Rivian you just hit may get written off for near 6-figures.

62empirical
August 24, 2023 9:15 pm

“EV battery packs are ending up in junkyards in multiple countries.” One can only imagine the huge, uncontrollable fire that dozens of EV battery packs on fire in a landfill would cause.

Gunga Din
Reply to  62empirical
August 25, 2023 12:06 pm

Where I live, they experimented with a “trash burning power plant”.
It was shut down.
But that was decades ago.
Now that EV batteries are available, maybe they should fire it back up?

ATheoK
August 25, 2023 6:13 am

This is, perhaps a story tip, but is so apropos here.

It turns out the CEO of Ford Motors was completely oblivious to the challenges of driving overpriced electric vehicles until actually taking one for a spin. And he got got hit with quite the reality check.

Fox Business reported Friday that Jim Farley decided to go on a cross-country road trip in an F-150 Lighting{sic}.

The purpose behind the road trip according to The Drive was to take on more rural routes in a truck—a truck “for real people who do real work.”

The experience for Farley was eye-opening, indeed. He said the entire trip was a “reality check” regarding what customers go through particularly when it comes to charging their vehicles.”

That must have been quite a shock to someone who bet a lot of money on the upcoming EV revolution. A currently fizzled revolution.

“electric vehicles have proven to be a money pit for Ford.

Ford also recently announced it is cutting 1,000 jobs in the United States and Canada after accepting a subsidy from the Biden administration to produce more electric vehicles.’

“Ford Motor Company announced it is projected to lose a whopping $4.5 billion from electric vehicles (EVs) this year, up from the previous projected loss of $3 billion.

The company released its second-quarter financial results on Thursday. The U.S.-based automaker’s EV division, called “Ford Model e,” has lost $1.8 billion so far this year, according to Fortune.

The projected $4.5 billion loss is over twice as much as Model e’s $2.1 billion loss in 2022. The company recently announced that the price of its electric F-150 Lightning pickup trucks will be reduced due to cheaper raw battery materials.”

Hans Erren
August 25, 2023 7:46 am

Fire is extingished on the Fremantle Highway, unloading started in Eemshaven port four days ago.
https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/eerste-autos-worden-van-fremantle-highway-gehaald/

Reply to  Hans Erren
August 25, 2023 1:07 pm

Would you like to clean up this machine translation:

This weekend, the removal of cars from the burned-out cargo ship Femantle Highway has begun. This was reported by ANP based on a spokesperson for salvage companies Boskalis and Multraship.
At the end of July, the huge cargo ship Fremantle Highway caught fire about thirty kilometers off the coast of Ameland. The Fremantle Highway turned out to have almost 3,800 cars on board, of which almost 500 copies have an electric drive train. The presence of those electric cars would have complicated the extinguishing of the fire. The now burned-out cargo ship has been in the Eemshaven for a while and there salvage companies started this weekend with the removal of cars, Boskalis and Multraship report via a spokesperson to ANP.
For environmental reasons, they are taken off board via a special car wash installed on board the ship. The wash water is collected and disposed of afterwards. Then the vehicles end up on a shielded site in the port. It is up to the owner of the cargo and the inspectors to determine what happens to the cars next, according to a spokesperson.
The removal of cars is expected to take more than a week for Boskalis and Multraship. The salvage companies want to remove all cars from the lower four decks during that period. The cause of the fire is not yet clear.

cazzograndissimo
August 25, 2023 12:53 pm

Free energy technologies and patents have been around for decades but always seem to be outlawed, bought out or shot out by some mysterious “hidden hand”. This says to me that profit and control are the main factors in our current technological theater of the absurd.

MarkW
Reply to  cazzograndissimo
August 25, 2023 3:02 pm

Either that, or free energy is like cold fusion, a technology that is always about to become profitable.

Could you specify exactly where free energy has been outlawed.
Patents are public record, could you perhaps provide us with the patents numbers for these patents that have been “bought out”.

Tony_G
Reply to  MarkW
August 25, 2023 4:24 pm

Also, where does this free energy come from? What are some examples of these technologies?

rovingbroker
August 25, 2023 2:17 pm

From KBB

Study: Electric Vehicles Involved in Fewest Car Fires

Electric cars have been subject to several high-profile recalls over fire risk. Yet, a new study shows they are less likely to cause a vehicle fire than either gas-powered cars or hybrid vehicles.

The result? Hybrid-powered cars were involved in about 3,475 fires per every 100,000 sold. Gasoline-powered cars, about 1,530. Electric vehicles (EVs) saw just 25 fires per 100,000 sold.

tiny.cc/859avz
(Kelly Blue Book 01-28-2022)

There are so many gasoline vehicle fires that they aren’t news. There are so few EV vehicle fires that they are always news.

MarkW
Reply to  rovingbroker
August 25, 2023 3:05 pm

How many times does this evasion have to be shot down.
You aren’t comparing like to like.

IC cars are on average a lot older. This is even more pronounced when you look at the age of the cars that actually caught fire.
IC cars are driven a lot more compared to IC cars.
The vast majority of IC cars occur after high speed collisions. Electrics are mostly driven around town at low speeds.

Tony_G
Reply to  MarkW
August 25, 2023 4:26 pm

How many of those IC fires started spontaneously while the car was parked?

Also, they are a LOT easier to deal with than EV fires.

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