Lord Frost warns: Hurtling towards net zero at any cost will be a mistake

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

If only we had more guys like David Frost with a bit of common sense:

With 800,000 British car-making jobs on the line because we’re not making enough batteries for electric vehicles, leading motor manufacturers are demanding renegotiated trade rules with the EU to give us more time to catch up.
Lord Frost, Britain’s chief negotiator for Brexit from 2019 to 2021, is clear where the fault is.
“The underlying problem is that we’re rushing at electrification of cars far too fast for the technologies we’ve got,” he insists.
“What it shows is that the expectation we had in the trade agreement when we negotiated it was that things would have moved by 2024, and that is not true.”
Vauxhall’s parent company, Stellantis, told MPs earlier this week that it would be unable to keep a commitment to make electric vehicles in the UK without changes to the Trade and Cooperation Agreement with the EU.
From next year, under the agreement, 45 percent of an electric vehicle’s parts should originate in the UK or EU to qualify for tariff-free trade between the two.
Without meeting the requirements, cars made in the UK would face a 10 percent tariff if sold in the EU – ­rendering them uncompetitive. Electric car batteries are mainly sourced from Asia and can be up to 50 percent of a car’s value.
But it’s not only car manufacturing, Lord Frost believes, but that is also under intense pressure from the rush to achieve net zero – a government commitment to ensure the UK reduces its greenhouse gas emissions by 100 percent from 1990 levels by 2050.


In an exclusive interview with the Daily Express, Lord Frost insists: “Everyone can see we’re not ready. The [electricity supply] grid is not ready, the costs are too high; all we’re doing is needlessly causing problems for our own industry.”
Not only that but the poorest are hit hardest by the transformation.
“We are told constantly that net zero 2050 is not only something that must be done, but it’s also something that’s going to be good for you and is going to increase economic growth and everyone’s going to be better off,” he says.
“I don’t think that is true. We are replacing a lot of perfectly good ways of generating electricity with gas and nuclear for bad ways of generating it with wind and solar, so why would you not expect costs to go up?
“If we’re requiring poor technologies like heat pumps to be installed then that’s going to hit the poorest worst. If it’s good technology, people will install it anyway.
“If it’s bad and expensive technology, the Government has got to make people do it.”
Once dubbed the “greatest Frost since the Great Frost of 1709” by Boris Johnson, the 58-year-old is considered by many Tories to be a leading voice of common sense and even a potential future party leader.
A ­former diplomat, civil servant and Minister for State, he will be giving the annual lecture next week at the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
He strongly believes the Government’s policy of net zero going too fast will cause considerable damage to the UK economy, making us all poorer, especially the less well-off.
Lord Frost does not dispute that climate change is happening. Nor is he repudiating the need for green policies to combat global warming.
“But that’s not the same as saying we’re in climate crisis or emergency, and it’s not the same as saying the only choice we have is to do net zero by 2050,” he says.
“Those are political choices – they’re not scientific choices. And with all political choices, you’ve got to weigh up the pros and cons; the costs against the benefits. And that’s what we’re not doing. You don’t have to deny science to say we need to look at the way we’re going about this and whether it makes sense.”
Lord Frost says what’s especially frustrating about this debate is that many people assume if you’re sceptical about net zero then you’re not interested in protecting the environment. “They’re not the same thing at all,” he insists.
“We all want a cleaner environment. That has nothing to do with the net zero ideology. When this country was first industrialising, the environment was much more polluted than it is now. What has enabled us to improve the environment is economic growth; more efficient ways of doing things. When we get richer, we can spend on clearing up pollution.”
With China set to dominate the electric car market in Europe, and the US supplying us with shale gas, the former minister is incensed we are making other countries richer while making ourselves poorer.
“It obviously makes no sense as a policy,” he says. “As a country, we’re [responsible for] about two per cent of global emissions. We could shut down the British economy tomorrow and it would make no difference to the nature of the problem.
“We are helping [China] by off-shoring our own production and making energy more expensive. We’re going along with that and making ourselves weaker. It makes no sense in a world that’s got more dangerous.”
Energy security has to be a prime concern for Britain, especially as we import so much of our energy from unreliable foreign nations.
“More than ever now, since the Ukraine War, we need an energy system that is productive,” says Frost. “One that we can rely on and we have control over. We’re going in the other direction. We’re installing unreliable technology that has to be backed up. The wind doesn’t blow all the time so you need a back-up to fill the gap. Well, why would that not be more expensive?
“Why not just have the back-up and forget about the wind farms? With our current state of technology, the idea that renewables are going to make us more secure seems to be a total fallacy.”
He stresses how it’s all the more frustrating when we know what the solution is.
“It’s gas, moving to nuclear – that’s the way of reducing emissions in a way that powers the economy,” Lord Frost adds.
“It isn’t reducing our capacity to produce energy, crushing the economy, and making people live in a different way. I don’t think people are going to put up with that.”
Lord Frost is exasperated by the current moratorium on shale gas exploration.
“We have so much shale gas in this country that we could be tapping. A shale gas facility that’s about the size of Parliament Square can produce the same amount of power as a wind farm 10 times the size of Hyde Park.
“This is not a disruptive technology unless your vision of the future is that we don’t have any industry. All of us politicians have to care about voters but I think, in the interest of the country, you have to take on the argument.”
There’s a suggestion that we have removed the shackles of the EU, only to replace them with net zero.
“Yes, a lot of the net zero legislation is inherited through the EU and it is now in our hands to change it, but we don’t seem anxious to do so,” Frost says.
“I think people have got captured by this ideology. They believe the messaging without thinking about it rigorously.”
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JCM
May 21, 2023 10:59 pm

Lord Frost says what’s especially frustrating about this debate is that many people assume if you’re sceptical about net zero then you’re not interested in protecting the environment. “They’re not the same thing at all,” he insists.

It suggests an erosion of sense and reason in the minds of many. The inability to know, see and to understand that the real physical erosion is that of the Earth. Environment is much more than “pollution” and “cleanliness”. It is the system of nature which allows us to exist. It is the ecosystem services which sustains the steady hydrology, biosystems, temperatures, and climate that we expect. It is the lands, the Earth, and the watersheds in which we live. Grind and deteriorate that system down to the bare mineral state, and watch your hydrological and temperature extremes go way out of expected range. It really is that simple. No reductionist radiation theory, no multi billion dollar model. If you deteriorate that parcel of Earth which sustains you then you will suffer drought, flood, and temperature extreme. It is the most simple concept known since millenia.

Reply to  JCM
May 22, 2023 2:16 am

Yes.
The millennia part only needs to be 2 millennia and Ancient Rome.

It is, I’ve introduced it previously = that we all possess inside us a little thing called pica-pica
Pica is an ancient word for Magpie
(UK nomenclature – a black/white bird, member of the Corvid Family and noted especially for its curiosity and attraction to ‘shiny things’)
Magpies are constantly searching & experimenting, especially for new or different stuff to eat.

It doesn’t know why it does this BUT, it ‘knows’ when it has found something good.
Thus, pica is an instinct that tells critters (incl. us) what is good to eat and, when something is lacking, it sets us off on a search to find the missing whatever.

So it was with Ancient Rome. They grew far to big, too fast, too numerous and they trashed Southern Europe and North Africa – growing sugar and grazing goats
Despite all the Romantic Thinkings Dreamings Notions and Words – a Mediterranean Climate is a Desert Climate

But, the pica told them something was going wrong in this GardenOfEdenIdyll and it sent them off searching.

Question: What especially is Rome famous for if not ‘Plumbing’, water management and the searches for, the discoveries of and massive use of; Spa water
Romans loved ‘taking the water’
and taking care of it – water was important to them and for reasons not obvious even to themselves’
Apart from: It made them happy

They ‘took Spa Water’ wherever it turned up and England was a rich source of places where mineral-rich water bubbled out of the ground.
e.g. Harrogate, Bath, Leamington, ‘Epsom’ salts and myriad places all across Europe

They were using the spa water to replace ‘something’ that was missing from their normal food. They knew not what but pica-pica sent them looking and told them they’d found ‘whatever it was’

One of their favourite spa locations was Ourense in Spain.
(attached) also here

Why they especially loved Ourense is because the waters are warm/hot
(isn’t that crazy. wasn’t Rome created by its own Warm Period so why did they need any more warm anything)
But the springs at Ourense are very rare in that the water there contains, on top of the usual stuff like Magnesium and Sulphur, Ourense spa water has Lithium in it

And us human critters need Lithium, very small amounts yes, but we still have to have it else:

  • We Go Crazy.
  • Demented
  • Senile before our time
  • Autistic
  • Brain fog
  • Lose the plot
  • Memory fails
  • Our brains/neurons shrivel/die
  • we get depressed and suicidal

<think of the batteries for electric cars>
<smile>

Ourense Romans Settle.JPG
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 22, 2023 4:50 am

Pika is a North American animal.

“Consider the situation of the American Pika. These Guinea pig-sized creatures occur across the more mountainous areas of western North America in a range that progressively increases in elevation as it stretches southward from British Columbia to New Mexico.”

So it was with Ancient Rome. They grew far to big, too fast, too numerous and they trashed Southern Europe and North Africa – growing sugar and grazing goats”

A completely meaningless statement as neither “growing sugar” or “grazing goats” destroy land.

Rich Davis
Reply to  ATheoK
May 22, 2023 12:55 pm

Pikachu is I think a native of Japan, isn’t it?

strativarius
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 22, 2023 5:21 am

a black/white bird, member of the Corvid Family and noted… “

For a croak that sounds exactly like a football rattle.

JCM
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 22, 2023 6:20 am

here, on this very website, the damage to our sensibilities caused by the trace gas reductionist displacement of environment holds us hostage. we must not let “them” dictate the problem definitions and the terms of the debate. The do-gooder climate fanatics have not a clue the damage they have caused. The skepto-sphere must not get sucked into such narrow viewpoints.

Reply to  JCM
May 22, 2023 5:49 am

“It is the ecosystem services which sustains the steady hydrology, biosystems, temperatures, and climate that we expect.”

But, much of this planet’s landscape has had climates that we don’t like and never liked and hardly expect or hope to continue- vast deserts and tundras and jungles and ice caps. it’s not as if our planet is some kind of paradise of perfect climate. And, it’s never been “steady”.

“If you deteriorate that parcel of Earth which sustains you then you will suffer drought, flood, and temperature extreme.”

Yet, despite almost 8 billion people, not all that much of the Earth has been severely damaged sufficient to cause those problems- which really aren’t problems from the perspective of historical geology as they’ve always existed. Nothing is more natural than droughts and floods and hurricanes and temperature changes. It’s a fantasy to wish for a paradise on Earth. The endless challenges of our environments have helped shaped the human race to be so resilient. Without those challenges we’d still be living in the trees.

JCM
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 22, 2023 6:39 am

some kind of paradise of perfect climate

fantasy to wish for

the mocking language is the reaction to trace gas reductionist extremism. Conservation and restoration stewards now lumped in with the trace gas fanatics. A milieu increasingly unoccupied and attacked from all sides.

Reply to  JCM
May 22, 2023 7:22 am

I don’t get the downvotes. I think if we follow the alarmists admonitions to strip mine the Earth in order to manufacture and build out the wind and solar infrastructure they require for ‘net zero’, we’ll be looking at environmental degradation on the scale of Mordor.

JCM
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
May 22, 2023 7:31 am

I don’t get the downvotes

I am well acquainted with the downvotes. Point out to a trace gas fanatic that your catchment becomes more extreme hydrologically when it rendered to dust and it is perceived as a threat against trace gas reductionism and therefore you are = denier label. point out to a trace gas skeptic that it is possible to deteriorate your environment you are thus deemed “green” and therefore = Al Gore.

Reply to  JCM
May 22, 2023 8:21 am

Someone should tell the trace gas fanatics that the ice sheets didn’t reverse simply because of higher (Milankovitch) solar insolation. It also required the dust produced by high altitude desertification during glacial maximums when atmospheric CO2 concentrations were too low to support plants.

May 21, 2023 11:23 pm

Meanwhile Google are caught rigging the results of climate searches:

https://youtu.be/KrAw1HGeH4o

Disputin
Reply to  Phil Salmon
May 22, 2023 3:43 am

So don’t use Google. Try DuckDuckGo instead.

strativarius
Reply to  Disputin
May 22, 2023 5:21 am

Even that isn’t 100%

Reply to  Disputin
May 22, 2023 10:23 am

DDG also filters content, by the creator’s own admission.

John V. Wright
May 21, 2023 11:25 pm

The U.K. actually produces some 1% of manmade CO2 not 2% but I’m not going to quibble with the courageous Lord. Bottom line is that the U.K.’s manmade CO2 production is some 0.000002% of the earth’s atmosphere.
And about shale gas. There is not one reason that anyone can come up for the U.K. not to be using shale. Not a single reason. It’s almost as if our politicians – on both sides of the House – want us to be poorer as a nation.

strativarius
Reply to  John V. Wright
May 22, 2023 12:12 am

Almost???

Reply to  John V. Wright
May 22, 2023 5:56 am

Is there a lot of shale with gas/oil in the UK? I asked this once before and was told there is- just curious how much. I wonder how long it would take to start up a fracking industry if the national policy changed. If there is a lot, then it’s mind blowingly stupid not to do it- it’s hard to believe there isn’t a strong political push for it.

Mark Luhman
Reply to  John V. Wright
May 22, 2023 10:43 pm

It about time the world learns the the “Greens” are anti human, they want billions murdered, eliminating fossil fuels would be a first step in that plan. Just remover fertilizer produce from nature gas would kill off half the population of the world. It certain a few degrees warming is not going to do that.

May 21, 2023 11:33 pm

Somebody in England please buy Lord Frost a beer and shake his hand for me.

Scissor
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
May 22, 2023 4:20 am

He sounds like a cool guy.

strativarius
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
May 22, 2023 5:27 am

Frost was a hard nosed Brexit negotiator and was frequently frustrated by his political masters.

I cannot see him ever being given a role in government. But he has a seat in the Lords – and a platform. Plus, he can’t be cancelled in the ‘true’ sense of the word..

Reply to  strativarius
May 22, 2023 5:58 am

By the way, does the house of Lords have any power?

Rich Davis
Reply to  strativarius
May 22, 2023 1:03 pm

It was obvious from the moment I read common sense words attributed to him that he could never be part of government let alone PM.

Coeur de Lion
May 21, 2023 11:47 pm

WRT Net Zero- what is being done about lorries? Nothing, I haven’t see a ban on imports of ICE vehicles being discussed but I suppose this is implicit? Anyone notice? And aviation? Biofuel? Pull the other one. Shipping? Agriculture? Construction? All to yield no CO2 in sum? Oh we can capture, can we? 31% of CO2 is Chinese? Why is this never discussed? But good on old Frosty

strativarius
May 22, 2023 12:21 am

“”The end of the world is nigh, again. And as usual, it’s being greeted largely with a shrug. “”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/19/cilmate-crisis-1-5c-degrees

Send any anti-depressants you may have to the needy Guardian….

Today the temperature will go from 8C to 19C that’s well over 1.5…..

Rich Davis
Reply to  strativarius
May 22, 2023 1:09 pm

Oh my giddy aunt! NINETEEN degrees? I do hope you draw a bath of ice water to avoid heat stroke! How long is this intolerable heat wave forecast to last?

nilocmal69
May 22, 2023 12:24 am

Frosty for PM.

ethical voter
Reply to  nilocmal69
May 22, 2023 12:48 am

Never. He is much too sensible and pragmatic for the party machine which requires blind obedience and no departure from the mantra of the day. I can hear the swish of stone on steel from here.

Reply to  ethical voter
May 22, 2023 5:59 am

so what happened to the manhood of the UK???

Tusten02
May 22, 2023 1:09 am

All the cracyness practised by politicians can only be understood in light of WEF’s secret goal – to reduce, substantially the population of the Earth!

Robertvd
May 22, 2023 2:07 am

Mistake ! No
It is all about The “Final Solution to the Climate Question” (“Endlösung der Klimafrage”) with The Great Leap Forward. Remember that those ‘Greens’ think that there are too many of us on this planet.

I just wonder what they’re going to use to fuel the incineration furnaces. It should be Net Zero.

1saveenergy
Reply to  Robertvd
May 22, 2023 3:27 am

“I just wonder what they’re going to use to fuel the incineration furnaces.”

Should be self sustaining if you get the proportions of obese & skinny correct (you’ll need a combustion engineer for that); mince all the corpses up & dry (solar would be sustainable ) to evaporate as much water as possible (like sun dried tomatoes).

Be a problem with vegans (not enough fat) so a supplementary fuel will be needed. !!

If you kill in spring, dry them in summer & burn them in winter for district heating, it’s a win win, green, low energy & sustainable, whats not to like.

As you say – The “Final Solution to the Climate Question”
Where have I heard a similar phrase before ??

Reply to  Robertvd
May 22, 2023 6:00 am

Presumably, the Greens are having no children?

Rod Evans
May 22, 2023 2:33 am

Well I guess that is the end of Lord Frosts political career then. Anyone who stands up for common sense and stands against the blind dogma of Climate Alarmism is automatically cancelled by the BBC and jumped on by the antisocial media organisations.
Can’t wait to hear his position on ESG investment policies.

observa
May 22, 2023 3:18 am

Relax folks as our Climate Council has the problem completely under control-
Private vehicle usage must be halved to cut emissions, Climate Council says (msn.com)

We blokes were discussing this at the 4WD club and we were all agreed we don’t how the wives are going to take this. Not to mention all those girly shopping trolleys hitting the market all at once with limited demand. Workhorses and towhorses last and sacrifices will just have to be made.

May 22, 2023 3:33 am

From the article:”“Why not just have the back-up and forget about the wind farms? With our current state of technology, the idea that renewables are going to make us more secure seems to be a total fallacy.””

Lord Frost has my vote!

Imagine, common sense coming from a politician. I like it!

cwright
May 22, 2023 4:15 am

Other things being equal, I would have been a life-long Conservative voter as I despise socialism. But they lost my vote due to their barking mad climate and energy policies.

When Boris became prime minister I had some hopes, however small, that things might improve. Years ago he was a bit of a climate sceptic. He used his favourite word to describe climate alarmists: doomsters. And he actually wrote “Let’s get fracking!”

But no more. Now he’s a doomster himself. I suspect his wife filled his head with climate propaganda and quickly brought him into the climate cult.

Lord Frost could change all this, if he became the leader of the Conservatives. Who knows, they might even get my vote back! But I’m not holding my breath….
Chris

Reply to  cwright
May 22, 2023 6:04 am

How do UK conservatives fit climate alarmism into a conservative jacket?

Robertvd
Reply to  cwright
May 22, 2023 3:02 pm

It should be crystal clear by now that it doesn’t matter who you vote for. They all obey the same master (As does the press) . Politics is a puppet show .

Dave Andrews
Reply to  cwright
May 23, 2023 7:19 am

You forget that Bojo has never been a very deep thinker. As London Mayor he left all the detailed stuff to others. He was the ‘soundbite’ man and will always be so.

Same thing continued when he became PM. Difference was marriage to Carrie who took him down another path.

michel
May 22, 2023 4:23 am

“I think people have got captured by this ideology. They believe the messaging without thinking about it rigorously.”

Yes. Its not a conspiracy, the advocates are not actively seeking to bring about the disaster which will result from their policies. They have just got caught up in the messaging.

They also do not really believe their policies will avert the global climate catastrophe they talk about. They have not really considered whether they will or not.

We are in a culture where people want to do very far reaching, revolutionary things ‘because climate’ without feeling any need to explain what the connection with climate is.

This is the problem. Its central to where we are going as a culture. And its the result of attitudes and approaches whose effects are not confined to climate. Take gender as another example, or approaches to race. Same thing, waves of enthusiasm for policies which do nothing material on the alleged problem, but people seem to feel that waving their arms and invoking the problem is all the justification needed.

There is a crisis all right, but its not a climate crisis, its a cultural crisis. Its the abandonment of any requirement for evidence of efficacy when proposing policies.

I do not know how we deal with it.

Mr.
Reply to  michel
May 22, 2023 9:33 am

Yes indeed.
Any rational analysis of most “progressive” policies concludes that they’re perpetuating the problems they describe rather than solving them.

Reply to  michel
May 22, 2023 9:37 am

Excellent summary…The answer will come when we get an existential crisis – until then, “feelings” will rule the day…

ethical voter
Reply to  michel
May 22, 2023 1:37 pm

Elect not for policy. Rather elect quality people and quality policy will follow. Simple.

Robertvd
Reply to  michel
May 22, 2023 3:24 pm

They have had more than 20 years to brainwash young people into fanatical Climate Jugend and Green Shirts. The Green Wave. We all know how dangerous fanatics are. We indeed have a profound crisis where other opinions are no longer tolerated. I would call that a totalitarian regime.

observa
May 22, 2023 4:43 am

With 800,000 British car-making jobs on the line because we’re not making enough batteries for electric vehicles, leading motor manufacturers are demanding renegotiated trade rules with the EU to give us more time to catch up.

Not going to happen as China has all the tech it requires now to dominate global carmaking and they’re calling the shots with over half the world’s cheap coal fired power-
China confirms 6B emissions rules – global automakers could face bankruptcy – YouTube
Yes there’s 50% China Inc investment in those factories but if they go belly up guess who gets to inherit the factories?

The West can longer compete due to our stupidity-
BYD CEO: “Our New $11k BYD Seagull Will Destroy EV Companies!” – YouTube
The question arises how long will Communist China tolerate foreign ownership with Tesla who you’ll note are already using BYD battery technology. Thanks for all the cutting edge EV technology and manufacturing techniques there Elon.

Reply to  observa
May 22, 2023 6:08 am

“Not going to happen as China has all the tech it requires now to dominate global carmaking…”.

If the West hadn’t moved its industries to China- and allowed MILLIONS of Chinese students to learn its best science and technology at its best universities- China’s technology level would be early 20th century. But, alas, the industries wanted cheap labor and the universities want wealthy students paying the full price in order for those with tenure and the administrators to drastically raise their salaries, while converting most of the educators into slave adjuncts.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 22, 2023 7:06 am

Tip of the iceberg. Any video of Chinese military hardware clearly shows that their hardware looks a lot like ours. What a coincidence!

Reply to  observa
May 22, 2023 6:22 am

It doesn’t matter since EV’s aren’t going to work anyway, when you run the numbers the whole concept of EV powered transportation is ludicrous. So we shouldn’t even try to compete with China. Let them bankrupt themselves with those useless vehicles. This way China will fail and we don’t have to spend money for it to happen

May 22, 2023 5:37 am

Lord Frost does not dispute that climate change is happening. Nor is he repudiating the need for green policies to combat global warming.”

So, he’s hopeless!

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 22, 2023 9:38 am

Has to start the pushback somehow…

May 22, 2023 7:16 am

From next year, under the agreement, 45 percent of an electric vehicle’s parts should originate in the UK or EU to qualify for tariff-free trade between the two.

95% of the cost of a battery car is represented by the battery. The rest is fluff.

ResourceGuy
May 22, 2023 7:28 am

It will be another mistake if you don’t get in line at the U.S.- Mexico border.

Sunak’s complacency towards the management of Britain’s accounts is breathtaking (yahoo.com)

May 22, 2023 7:44 am

Maybe it’s time for “the Lords” to give up their silly aristocratic titles and become real conservatives. Perhaps Lord Frost could be one of the first.

May 22, 2023 8:26 am

Has the world ever endured the level of mass delusions and mass hysteria we are experiencing now?

Correction — the Western world is suffering multiple mass delusions and mass hysterias. The developing nations, intent upon improving their economies and the quality of life for their citizens, seem immune.

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
May 22, 2023 9:39 am

And asking us to pay them to do it

JosephG
May 22, 2023 10:27 am

Book: 1841 by Charles Mackay… “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”

May 22, 2023 1:01 pm

With 800,000 British car-making jobs on the line because we’re not making enough batteries for electric vehicles, leading motor manufacturers are demanding renegotiated trade rules with the EU to give us more time to catch up.
Lord Frost, Britain’s chief negotiator for Brexit from 2019 to 2021, is clear where the fault is.
“The underlying problem is that we’re rushing at electrification of cars far too fast for the technologies we’ve got,” he insists

British car making????

FFS: Brits couldnt build a car if you gve them all the parts

old cocky
Reply to  Steven Mosher
May 22, 2023 3:28 pm

They’ve done some very nice sports cars over the years, and some excellent open wheelers.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Steven Mosher
May 23, 2023 7:32 am

“FFS: Brits couldn’t build a car if you gave them all the parts”

According to the UK Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders

Over 780,000 people are employed in the UK automotive industry which accounts for 10% of total UK exports with more than 150 countries importing UK produced vehicles, generating £77 billion trade a year.

Looks like, yet again, you don’t know what you are talking about Steve