E.P.A. Tells States:  Clean Up Your Smokestacks

Essay by Kip Hansen — 16 March 2023

Many of us are not pleased with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) which, over the years, has engaged in a seeming never-ending power grab,  having both regulatory and enforcement authority over a wider and wide range of both individual and commercial activities in the United States.  The EPA was established, not by Congress, but by an Executive Order signed by then-President Richard Nixon.  

On the other hand,  the EPA, in its first decade of operations, enforced environmental laws  passed by Congress, primarily the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) [of 1970].  Since then, regulations and enforcement of air quality standards have resulted in greatly reduced air pollution generally, and in some locales, such as Los Angeles, almost miraculous results. 

Here are the results for aggregate air pollution [six most common pollutants] shown coincident with growth in Gross Domestic Product, Vehicle Miles Traveled, Population, Energy Consumption and CO2 Emissions.

The EPA took off the low hanging fruit first (the steep drop at left) and has continued to lower air pollution levels to a hugely successful 80% reduction [eyeball estimate]. All that despite increases in the contributing factors. 

So, why, to we find that this week a headline that:

 ”E.P.A. Tells Dozens of States to Clean Up Their Smokestacks”

“The Biden administration is strengthening the ‘Good Neighbor’ rule, to cut pollution from power plants and factories in the West and Midwest that wafts east.”

According to our long-suffering environmental journalist at the NY Times, Coral Davenport:

“The Biden administration on Wednesday finalized a rule forcing factories and power plants in 23 Western and Midwestern states to sharply cut smog-causing pollution that is released from their smokestacks and fouls the air in Eastern states.”

“Known as the “good neighbor” rule, the new regulation strengthens and expands an earlier interstate air pollution standard that was enacted during the Obama administration. While that rule directed power plants to clean up their emissions, the revised rule enforces similar controls on mills, factories and other industrial facilities.”

“The good neighbor rule holds that states should take measures to ensure that their pollution doesn’t affect downwind states. It directs coal-burning power plants and industrial facilities such as iron, steel, cement and concrete manufacturers in the Western and Midwestern states to reduce their emissions of nitrogen dioxide, a pollutant that causes smog and is linked to asthma, lung disease and premature death.”

“Soot and exhaust belched from those industrial facilities is carried by prevailing winds toward Eastern states, causing high levels of pollution in states with fewer industries.”

Well, that sounds perfectly reasonable, doesn’t it?  But (and there is always a ‘but’) is it true?

Let’s get a nitpick out of the way first:  industrial facilities do not “belch”. The use of such language helps us to identify the statements in the NY Times as propaganda.

It is true that the prevailing winds in the northern USA east of the Rocky Mountains are West to East:

Prevailing winds in the United States

It is not true that “smog-causing pollution that is released from their smokestacks … fouls the air in Eastern states”.  The new regulation is about NO2 (nitrogen dioxide though I suspect a close reading would reveal that it is more correctly about NOx).

Let’s see if NO2 is really being “carried by prevailing winds toward Eastern states”.

Source images here

On the left above is satellite detected NO2 levels in 2005.  One can easily see the megalopolises (and major cities) of the United States.  By 2022, the problem has been reduced to near zero in the right- hand panel.  In fact, NO2 levels are hardly detectable except in the largest population centers: mainly Dallas/Fort Worth, Northeast megalopolis (Boston to Washington Megalopolis), Los Angeles, Chicago and Detroit.  Very light-yellow shadings for other large cities.

What can be determined by the NASA supplied maps?  The darkest, most affected areas are not the manufacturing centers of America, just dense population centers.  The air of what used to be the deeply affected areas south of the Great Lakes has already been cleaned up – admirably by EPA and state air pollution regulations and by the  shuttering of much of America’s manufacturing capability — and not by their pollution being carried by the wind to affect the Eastern-most states. 

So, the main claimed motivation for the new rules is, simply put, claptrap.  (Commonly known as “lies”.) “Power plants and factories in the West and Midwest” are no longer producing NO2 pollution in quantity….and it is not wafting East.  It appears obvious, in fact, that the concentration of NO2 pollution that is seen in the Northeast megalopolis is not caused by power plants and factories to their West, but by local human activities – dare I say probably mostly transportation (cars and trucks).

Thus, there is no need, at least as claimed, for the new regulations.

Bottom Lines:

1.  EPA is using false claims to justify its of grabbing more authority to regulate and change America’s primary energy production – and to force the politically motivated shift away from fossil fuels in both power production and industry.

2.  Earlier EPA and State air pollution regulations have cleaned up our air very successfully – federal agencies, headed by un-elected agenda-driven officials,  are happy to claim success but loathe to give up their power – exercising it far beyond the point of gains and shifting over to societal harm through unnecessary regulation.

3.  EPA is unabashedly playing anti-fossil fuel politics.

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Author’s Comment:

It is interesting to note that the EPA was created by Executive order, and given both regulatory and enforcement power.  Apparently in a follow-up to Rachel Carson’s emotionally powerful, but largely scientifically wrong, book Silent Spring

I can’t state strongly enough my objections to executive branch agencies being given the power to both make and enforce regulations (with the power to fine, arrest and imprison) that have not been made into law by our elected legislators.

The fact that such agencies are allowed to be run to carry out and enforce political agendas, and not the laws of the land, is a very dangerous situation. 

Thanks for reading.

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Tom Halla
March 16, 2023 6:09 am

Having the EPA as a separate agency is yet another reason to despise Richard Nixon. Aside from collecting True Believers among their employees, their continued existence requires that no issue ever be settled as adequate, and further abatement is not cost effective.

Duane
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 16, 2023 7:05 am

Nope – it was exactly the right thing to do then and now. No other agency had the power or the resources to write and enforce environmental rules.

The fact that EPA, particularly under Democratic Presidents, often oversteps its authority or writes and enforces excessively burdensome regulations it just a fact of life. That’s what people do. So we have numerous checks and balances, both written into the laws themselves, so the Congress can always amend the law if necessary, and the People always have the right to challenge any rule when proposed, enacted, and enforced in the Federal courts. The people quite often win those cases in the courts.

There is no other way to regulate environmental pollution. What, you think companies and individuals are ever going to voluntarily increase their costs of doing business, and thereby stop shifting their costs to others who have to absorb such costs? That is called “externalizing costs” – making someone else pay for your refusal to control your own pollution. Not in any real universe, no, they won’t.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 7:18 am

Ah yes, the old totalitarianism works model of governance argument, combined with the old all corporations are evil so they must be run by government argument.

PS corporations do what their customers demand. Always have and always will. The nonsense that corporations do whatever they want was never true, but it is often trotted out by socialists as justification for their power grabs.

Duane
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 9:51 am

Democratic nations must regulate those who harm others with their actions. That is the opposite of totalitarianism.

Anarchy is what you get when there is no government.

Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 10:10 am

“Democratic nations must regulate those who harm others with their actions. That is the opposite of totalitarianism.”

You could not be more clueless. Totalitarian governments are “rule by government experts”. who either tell private corporations / businesses what to do (fascism) or own the corporations / businesses (communism).

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 16, 2023 11:21 am

Everyone Duane knows agrees with him. Therefore anyone who disagrees is in the minority and deserves whatever the majority decides to do with them.
People like Duane aren’t bright enough to figure out that they won’t always be in the majority.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 11:20 am

Ah yes, the old socialist argument that any reduction in government power is anarchy.
And it’s also got the government gets to decide what is harm and what isn’t argument.
Totalitarians like you are so transparent.

DonM
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 4:33 pm

This specific article is about NO2 and the associated MAKE BELIEVE harm to the eastern states.

The EPA has the power to regulate/abate MAKE BELIEVE harm because it is falling outside of the original standards of this Democratic nation (republic).

They are trying to mitigate a perceived indirect societal harm; and in doing so causing direct individual harm(s).

The fact that you on the ‘perceived indirect harm’ side of the equation does not make it the right thing to do (now or ever).

John Oliver
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 8:18 am

I worked for a company that provided court reporting and litigation support services for 4-5 years. we had a very efficient hybrid electronic system allowing us to provide certified verbatim transcripts at a lower price than the competition. Long story short we ended up with contracts with every government regulatory agency out there- local, state and federal to do their hearings. I saw so many small and medium sized companies needlessly destroyed or severely financially damaged because they got caught up in an inanely complex web of poorly written and overzealously applied regs that should have never even been applicable to the particular situation.
Your position naively assumes that it is just so easy to petition these agency’s to modify there regs; in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

MarkW
Reply to  John Oliver
March 16, 2023 8:50 am

It’s not hard if you have enough money to grease the proper palms.

Duane
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 10:02 am

Business associations like EPRI (utilities) and AMA and legal support foundations like Pacific Legal Foundation have plenty of money and high powered lawyers, and they routinely sue EPA and win in court. States too typically band together to sue EPA when they overstep their legal authority. Our system works very well.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 11:23 am

In other words, you prefer a system where the rich and powerful get whatever they want, while everyone else suffers.
How socialist of you.

nailheadtom
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 3:19 pm

The more regulations the better as far as the legal community is concerned. It’s their bread and butter and BMWs.

Duane
Reply to  John Oliver
March 16, 2023 9:58 am

There is nothing naive in what I wrote at all. The People act collectively through business associations, legal defense foundations, various other interest groups, and through the states.

Just today FL Gov Ron DeSantis announced a joint challenge to the Biden Admin on their ESG rule – 18 states joined with Florida. EPA lost the court case filed in 2021 at the Supreme Court last year on one of their proposed rules on carbon. It was a suit filed by Republican states, and the rule was overturned because EPA had no Congressional authority for their rule. Another case involving another such rule was just heard by SCOTUS last month and it is likely to be overturned too.

The United States is governed by the People, thru private associations and the States.

Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 10:05 am

The United States is governed by nearly permanent bureaucrats, the subject of this article, lobbyists and elected politicians.

Elected politicians can make any pre-election promises, and then do whatever they want to for up to six years. Much longer as a politician- appointed SCOTUS justice.

Just what are you smoking to claim
“governed by the people”?

There is no popular referendum on each government policy decision.

And no elections to change those decisions made by permanent bureaucrats.

There is also no popular vote for President or Shrillary Clintoon would have won in 2016. More people voted for Shrillary but Trump on. So that could be an example of “the people” losing.

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MarkW
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 16, 2023 11:24 am

On one hand, Duane whines about how much influence the rich and powerful.
On the other hand Duane declares that unlimited government power isn’t a problem because the rich and power have enough influence to get whatever they want.

Editor
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 1:56 pm

Douane – Ron DeSantis shouldn’t have to be fighting this battle against his own federal government and their agencies. He may win an occasional court challenge – at vast expense to both sides including the American people – but the authoritarian federal juggernaut rolls on.

DonM
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 4:44 pm

“The People act collectively through …”

Why should they have to band together to protect themselves from their own government. Why should the govt (and the individual administrative regulators) even think about stepping over the line to make this necessary?

Are you concerned at all, in any way, about the individuals that do not have the financial or political clout to band together?

Rick C
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 9:34 am

I had no idea that there are still so many factories and power plants belching out massive amounts of pollutants out west that end up polluting the air in the Northeast without apparently having any effect on the area between. EPA must have been doing a terrible job of cleaning up industrial air pollution for the last 50 years. How can we trust such an ineffective incompetent bureaucracy to prevent this scourge of long distance remote pollution?

Duane
Reply to  Rick C
March 16, 2023 10:05 am

We have a Democrat in the White House and he directs EPA on stuff like this. Private parties and the GOP routinely sue to overturn bad rules, and in case you didn’t notice, they almost always win at SCOTUS which has a 6-3 conservative majority.

Our system works very well.

John Oliver
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 10:38 am

I have seen it Duane first hand. Massive amounts of money spent by companies to deal with defend against and navigate through this crap. And once one’s business is destroyed by by these tyrannical agency’s you don’t have much time and money left to spend the rest of your life as a activist or community organizer or pro business ( and personal) freedom lobbyist.
It’s not just big “evil big business” that is effected either. Many small business people have try to start mini steel mill and fabrication companies and they run up against the regulatory wall. What little is left of our US industrial base will be completely gone thanks citizens like your self. In my state they just past first phase ICE auto ban. I and a vast number of business owners are voting with our feet, out of these states and maybe out of the country taking our business with us.

doonman
Reply to  John Oliver
March 16, 2023 3:36 pm

The shakedown has always happened in America. It’s just that government agencies have discovered that they can do that better than the Mafia, because how they do it is now legal.

Rick C
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 9:43 pm

You’ve got it exactly backward – EPA directs the Whitehouse when a senile idiot is in power. It’s also common for the really big businesses to embrace new regulations that they can afford to meet since they know it will drive many smaller competitors out of business. The big guys will then easily recover their expenses with higher prices. For an obvious example – big oil/gas have benefited greatly from Obama & Biden killing the coal power industry and forcing a switch to natural gas. Not having to compete with cheap coal pushes up the price and profitability of oil and gas, Note that renewables have done nothing to reduce the total consumption of these fuels.

Tony_G
Reply to  Duane
March 17, 2023 6:53 am

If having to constantly sue to overturn bad rules is your idea of working “very well” I would hate to see what you think working poorly would be.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Rick C
March 16, 2023 1:49 pm

Long distance AND so very selective!

Gunga Din
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 1:04 pm

Here in the US anything that has the effect of Law is supposed to go through Congress.
Neither the Executive Branch or the Judicial Branch have the Constitutional authority to make Law.
The Executive Branch is to enforce the Law. The Judicial Branch is to rule whether or not the law (or a case) lines up with The Law of the Land, The Constitution and the Limits placed on “Government, The Bill of Rights.

beng135
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 1:21 pm

But the EPA is totally corrupt now. Only solution left is to tear it down to the ground, fire everyone, and restart.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  beng135
March 16, 2023 1:56 pm

Or disband it permanently. The problems the EPA was established to fix have already been det with. State EP agencies can do the “maintenance.”

Tony_G
Reply to  Duane
March 17, 2023 6:51 am

Where does the Constitution authorize the Executive branch to create such an agency? Be specific, please.
Or does the Constitution not matter to you?

Ron Long
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 16, 2023 8:07 am

Tom, I stood next to President Nixon at the Sabre Heliport at DiAn, Vietnam, in 1969. I do not despise him. Note that he won re-election by the largest margin of any re-elected President, then the other idiots broke into the Watergate Hotel and Nixon, after the fact, tried to cover it up.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Ron Long
March 16, 2023 10:00 am

Good comment. The Left had a pathological hatred of Nixon, starting with the Alger Hiss saga. The fact that Nixon attempted to clean up after their failed policies, and effectively granted them many of their wishes, did nothing to diminish their hatred.

MarkW
Reply to  Ron Long
March 16, 2023 11:26 am

What Nixon did was wrong. However compared to what the Democrats were doing, both then and now, Nixon was a saint.

DonM
Reply to  Ron Long
March 16, 2023 4:48 pm

more and more evidence that he was set up. guilty, but still set up.

Tony_G
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 16, 2023 9:47 am

their continued existence requires that no issue ever be settled as adequate

An organization whose existence is dedicated to the eradication of the problem it intends to solve is, IMO, not to be trusted. There is a vested interest in maintaining the problem to justify the continued existence of the organization.

stinkerp
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 16, 2023 5:03 pm

The EPA was established, not by Congress, but by an Executive Order signed by then-President Richard Nixon

Yes, but the President has the authority to rearrange agencies and even create any he wants in order to execute the legislation passed by Congress. Nixon simply consolidated the environmental regulation enforcement of several agencies into one agency. He didn’t need the authorization of Congress to do that, though they reviewed it and approved it. Congress had already enacted several bills to regulate air and water pollution. They were just being done by different agencies. There is nothing nefarious about having an EPA.

There is, however, something nefarious about the way the EPA and all other Executive Branch agencies (DOE, OSHA, FDA, USDA, etc.) create laws (“regulations”). It’s anti-democratic and unconstitutional.

The Constitution is clear that only the Legislative Branch (Article I) has the power to enact laws. The Executive (Article II) and the Judiciary (Article III) do not. Our elected representatives debate legislation and vote. If we don’t like it, we can elect replacements. We have no such power with the Executive Branch agencies. They are unaccountable to the electorate. They were given de facto legislative power in the 1946 Administrative Procedure Act passed by an overwhelmingly Democrat Congress and signed by a Democrat President. It’s time to repeal and replace it. Give agencies rulemaking authority for anything that affects the administration of the agency. Rules they propose that affect the public should be sent to Congress for debate and a vote. No more “public comment period” sleight-of-hand to give the illusion of being democratic. We want a real democratic process with rule makers who are accountable to the electorate, which is what Congress is.

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Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 6:13 am

sharply cut smog-causing pollution that is released from their smokestacks and fouls the air in Eastern states…”

The air isn’t foul here in Woke-achusetts. Maybe on a very hot summer day- it seems foul, mostly because on such days the air is stagnant. I notice as I’ve been working outdoors for 50 years. What I do notice is pollen causing me sinus problems- and the very cold damp air most of the year- so I pray it’ll warm up a few degrees, on average. 🙂

Of course I live in a rural area. The air in the cities of course isn’t as good but that’s due mostly to all the cars and trucks and lack of vegetation. But the last time I was in Bah-stin I didn’t notice any air pollution.

Duane
Reply to  Kip Hansen
March 16, 2023 7:18 am

The real issue here, Kip, is not EPA’s role and authority. The real issue is that EPA may not be using valid science to design their new rule. There is always a process available to the People to challenge such rules. The states themselves often challenge EPA rules in Federal courts if, typically, they’ve got Republican governors and legislatures. If this is truly a burdensome and unjustified rule, we can count on the affected states that are governed by Republicans to gather together and file jointly a Federal lawsuit. That would include states like Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Iowa, Texas, Oklahoma, and the two Dakotas. That group of states used to include Arizona but a Dem won governor there in 2020. New Mexico is usually Dem controlled too and is today.

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George Daddis
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 7:36 am

Often a bad rule or principle is the foundation for invalid “science”.
The LNT assumption applied to EPA subjects as well as health issues in general has caused a lot of economic harm.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 8:51 am

As long as one has enough money to challenge an EPA ruling.
Not many people have that kind of money.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 2:00 pm

All it takes is money to keep fighting the machine. Better to disband an organization that has long outlived its usefulness.

DonM
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
March 16, 2023 4:50 pm

and it’s pretty tough when the machine gets to fight back using your money as well.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 7:20 am

Cars and trucks have for the most part already been cleaned up. In many of the largest cities, the air coming out of tailpipes is cleaner than the ambient air.
The source of the remaining pollution is homes and businesses, just living their lives.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 7:36 am

There still is carbon monoxide from vehicles- I always wonder when I see people jogging in a city hyperventilating that CO.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 8:53 am

That’s not true. If your car is properly tuned and the O2 sensor working, CO levels are close enough to zero that most equipment can’t read it.
Every time I’ve had my car tested, the standard was just a few parts per million and my car registered zero.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 11:02 am

your car may be emitting zero but in a city with heavy traffic- I wouldn’t want to breath it

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 11:28 am

So you are going to continue to believe what you want to believe, even if it is completely contradicted by the evidence.
It’s not just my car, it’s every car. In these cities, every car has to pass inspection, and even if every single car was emitting the maximum allowed by law, it still wouldn’t amount to enough to make a difference.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 11:37 am

I AM NOT GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE. No need to get obnoxious. I am the most skeptical human on this planet. Just trying to makes sense of something I don’t know much about. I guess I’m wrong on this. Bu, I don’t give a dam. I am not wedded to the idea like climate lunatics. Like I said, I’m probably more skeptical than most people here- about everything, politics, religion, climate “science”, relationships- it’s mostly all bullshit. 🙂

yet, I’ll contend that the air out here in a rural area- is better for you to breath than the air in Bah-stin

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 3:13 pm

You insist on “knowing” that cars are putting out enough CO to endanger the health of joggers, despite this fact having never been true, and is even less true today.

I will agree with you that the air in rural areas is cleaner than the air in urban areas. But it has very little to do with cars.
The pollution comes from millions of people living their every day lives, and the companies that employ them.

DonM
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 4:53 pm

regardless …

I would rather breath the air in Zorzin’s rural area than the air in a parking garage.

MarkW
Reply to  DonM
March 17, 2023 10:53 am

Agreed, but modern cars do not spew CO as was claimed earlier.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 7:38 am

In ’76, I took my first trip out west from MA- where we had ended leaded gas for many years. Got to AZ and found it hard to breathe in the cities since they still had leaded gas. It smelled terrible. I think getting the lead out was a good deal.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 8:54 am

I don’t know what you were smelling, but it wasn’t lead.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 11:03 am

then what was it? When I smelled in AZ- it brought back memories of that smell from before leaded gas was outlawed in MA- so it must have something to do with lead or perhaps something else that was also in leaded gas- whatever it was, it was a terrible smell

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 11:29 am

Don’t know, I wasn’t there. It couldn’t have been lead.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 11:39 am

I suppose it could have been some other toxic substance in the exhaust other than lead- but whatever it was, I used to smell it as a kid in the ’50s and early ’60s. It’s nauseating- but I suppose we were all used to it and didn’t notice it – until we got away from it-then exposed to it again. Must be somebody around here that knows what it was.

By the way, when I said lead- it obviously wasn’t pure lead- I presume the lead in gas was some complicated compound- but I have no clue.

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MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 3:15 pm

Could have been unburnt hydrocarbons.

old cocky
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 3:28 pm

I suppose it could have been some other toxic substance in the exhaust other than lead- but whatever it was, I used to smell it as a kid in the ’50s and early ’60s. It’s nauseating

It was probably unburned hydrocarbons, most likely aromatics.
One of the problems with tetra-ethyl lead is that it poisons the Pt catalyst used in catalytic converters, used to remove any remaining hydrocarbons in the exhaust gas.

John Oliver
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 4:00 pm

I have an old 73 Lincoln . It has that smell( when it runs) even though running obviously now on unleaded. I think it just might be the less complete burning of the fuel- due to being carbureted ,no cat, less emission controls ( although has some) and depends on level of tuning

old cocky
Reply to  John Oliver
March 16, 2023 4:30 pm

and depends on level of tuning

That’s a point. The sump may have breathed direct to the atmosphere rather than into the engine’s intake.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 2:04 pm

Maybe an exhaust byproduct that resulted from gas that contains lead that wouldn’t be present without the lead, as opposed to “smelling the lead (itself)?”

sherro01
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 1:54 pm

JZ,
There is zero valid scientific evidence that your respiration is or could be adversely affected by trace Pb levels once used in petrol, to any currently measurable degree.
Geoff S

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  sherro01
March 16, 2023 4:48 pm

So why did they delead leaded gas? I’m not arguing with you as I don’t know- but I’d like to know.

eastbaylarry
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 9:34 pm

Lead kills catalytic converters.

old cocky
Reply to  eastbaylarry
March 17, 2023 12:27 am

That’s certainly one of the reasons.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 10:28 pm

Because there was acceptance of the hypothesis that traces of ingested Pb caused drops in IQ of babies and younsters. There has been inadequate testing of reverse causation, that those born with low IQ are more likely to ingest Pb, or were more likely in the olden days post-WWII when hungry kids like me chewed on window putty that sometimes had Pb pigment in paint coating it.

old cocky
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 17, 2023 12:36 am

Lead oxides (eg lead-based paints) are known to be neurotoxic.

I think there was some evidence that combustion products of tetra-ethyl lead may be neurotoxic as well, but the effect is apparently difficult to isolate from other pollutants close to major roads.

March 16, 2023 6:27 am

Read and immediately highly recommended on my climate and energy blog
Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog

I’d say Hansen is in the running to be the best author here.
Good writers make a blog editor’s job easy.

But who needs steel?
We can make cars and washing machines out of plastic
Wait .. the environonuts are against plastic too
How about hemp cars?

strativarius
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 16, 2023 6:48 am

“We can make cars … out of plastic”

I might consider fibreglass…

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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  strativarius
March 16, 2023 6:55 am

“Fiberglass to Carbon Fiber: Corvette’s Lightweight Legacy”
https://news.gm.com/newsroom.detail.html/Pages/news/us/en/2012/Aug/0816_corvette.html

strativarius
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 9:00 am

Joseph

Carbon? Really?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  strativarius
March 16, 2023 2:06 pm

The rain STILL requires fossil fuel inputs. Just can’t get away from it.

But then again, no need to.

Tony_G
Reply to  strativarius
March 17, 2023 6:45 am

I just saw an ad for a car made from hemp.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 16, 2023 6:53 am

“Forget Electric Cars! Henry Ford’s Cannabis car was made from Hemp: 10xStronger than steel, 100% green!”
https://www.financialexpress.com/auto/car-news/forget-electric-cars-henry-fords-cannabis-car-was-made-from-hemp-10xstronger-than-steel-100-green/1384733/

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 16, 2023 10:30 am

And if you broke down you could smoke some of the car to relax until help arrived. I just saw a Henry Ford biography on the History Channel He worked hard for a long time before hitting the big time in the 1913 at age 50.
He was born in 1863:
Model T launched in 1908
Model T mass production in Highland Park Michigan in 1913
when Henry was 50 years old.

We have a great museum in Dearborn, Michigan called The Henry and a recreation of an old village next to it called Greenfield Village. One of the best vacation attractions in the mid-west in my opinion.

The Henry Ford – Museum, Greenfield Village & Rouge Factory Tour

And if you really like old cars this is where to go:

Gilmore Car Museum | Michigan

It’s in the middle of nowhere but I posted lots of photos a few years ago that I love. There are several affiliated museums on the same property — all add up to about 400 cars. plus a few trucks and motorcycles.

Additional Data For Blogs: Climate Related Photographs ( they burn fossil fuels ! ) (elblog2019.blogspot.com)

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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 16, 2023 11:13 am

“And if you broke down you could smoke some of the car to relax until help arrived.”

Heck, even if didn’t break down! 🙂

old cocky
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 16, 2023 4:54 pm

How about hemp cars?

Your wish is my command

nailheadtom
March 16, 2023 6:39 am

The impression is given that the “good neighbor” effort is being directed at existing facilities and it probably is. At the same time permitting for new power production and manufacturing will face EPA required financial hurdles that will prohibit their construction. While this might appease the vocal portion of the public that doesn’t seem to realize that there are necessary externalities to any human activity, it also pushes the country down an increasingly steep economic decline that has reduced the US GDP to legal fees, college tuition, pro athlete contracts, movie and television star income and international deals by elected politicians. It’s meant to eliminate the competition to renewable power from fossil fuel.

strativarius
March 16, 2023 6:46 am

It’s a good job China is building all those power plants etc – ready for when they take up US industrial output. Industries will go to bring emissions down.

dk_
March 16, 2023 6:52 am

Taken with the overreach documented in Darwall’s Green Tyranny, how different are these EPA claims from earlier era claims about Midwestern coal-fired electrical generators causing acid rain in the Northeast? Seems nearly to be cut-and-paste from the 80s (totally unlike anything else from the desk of demented Joe).

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Duane
March 16, 2023 7:00 am

Kip wrote:

I can’t state strongly enough my objections to executive branch agencies being given the power to both make and enforce regulations (with the power to fine, arrest and imprison) that have not been made into law by our elected legislators.

First of all, the EPA does not operate prisons. They can arrest lawbreakers, like dozens of other Federal agencies and thousands of non-Federal agencies can do, but to send someone to prison requires conviction via a jury trial by one’s peers, as stipulated in our Constitution. Or else the miscreant can plead guilty.

Secondly, all of the laws affecting environmental releases of pollutants including air, water, hazardous waste, etc. ARE in fact enacted by Congress, specifically authorizing EPA to develop and enforce the rules via promulgation of regulations. The regulations themselves are written and enforced according to the Federal Administrative Procedures Act, which governs all administrative agencies.

Thirdly, it is weird to claim that it is somehow inappropriate for an agency to both write and enforce its own Congressionally authorized rules. Who else is going to do it? Local sheriffs? The FBI? US Marshalls Service? None of those other agencies are remotely qualified to enforce complex technical regulations. That’s why EPA exists at all, and that is why Congress explicitly authorizes EPA to both write and enforce their own rules.

If you are worried about oversight, both Congress and the People always have the right to oversee agency rules, their promulgation and enforcement, and if necessary Congress can revise the law, and the People can challenge the rules – and very frequently DO challenge the rules, and how they are enforced, in the Federal courts. The courts then rather frequently overturn agency rules, either telling the EPA they have no legal authority for the rule itself, or that the rule is not consistent with the law.

There is literally no other way to write and enforce environmental rules.

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MarkW
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 7:25 am

When you start with a lie, how likely is it the rest of your screed is worth reading.
Kip never said they operate prisons, he said they have to power to imprison.

As to your continued justification of government control of the economy, consider the source.

dk_
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 7:41 am

They can arrest lawbreakers…

someone to prison requires conviction

Almost true for imprisonment as punishment for conviction. Prior to conviction, those arrested are arraigned and imprisoned until trial if so determined by the court. To avoid prison and to ensure appearance at trial,bond or bail is required — amounting to restriction of liberty without conviction.

the People can challenge the rules

At great expense, under great restrictions, in limited circumstances, with multiple layers of approval and limited appeal.

For example, the Obama Waters of the U.S. rule was met with great opposition by states and non-EPA federal agencies but not stayed by the courts, Trump reversed it, but Biden has reinstated it. The suits against the original rule must be re-filed and enter a decades-long, expensive process. If not stayed by the court, violators will be punished on executive whim, despite ineffective oversight and violation of states’ and individual property rights.

There is literally no other way to write and enforce environmental rules.

Literally there are many other ways, as exemplified by each state and many smaller communities, U.S. territories, and almost all other countries.

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MarkW
Reply to  dk_
March 16, 2023 9:02 am

Duane is admitting that these “regulations” are not popular and could never be passed through the political process. So they must be imposed by dictatorial diktat.

dk_
Reply to  MarkW
March 16, 2023 9:48 am

Correctly correct, Mark, and not the only fuzzy thinking in there! On form, he(?) will continue on, regardless. I’ll conserve ammo.
Cheers!

Tony_G
Reply to  dk_
March 17, 2023 7:01 am

Literally there are many other ways,

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

George Daddis
Reply to  Duane
March 16, 2023 7:49 am
  1. Kip said “executive branch agencies” have the power to imprison; not specifically the EPA.
  2. The issue is that Congress is inappropriately delegating it’s authority “make law” to unelected bureaucrats in the Executive Branch. That is in effect destroying the separation of powers among branches. (The President appoints “his” guys to these agencies.)
  3. I know it is ancient history to some, but a group of sovereign states got together and established a LIMITED federation. States are very qualified to write and enforce most environmental laws – certainly better than bureaucrats in DC.
MarkW
Reply to  George Daddis
March 16, 2023 9:03 am

Limited government powers makes it too hard for the left to impose their ideal world on the rest of us.

Bill Pekny
Reply to  Kip Hansen
March 16, 2023 3:04 pm

Well said, Kip!

Peta of Newark
March 16, 2023 7:06 am

I am so amazed that this (link below) story is still ‘up’ 20 years after it was first published.
The link itself says it all

Wild card: Howzabout that as an explanation for Global Greening – not least as both components (Nitrogen and Sulphur) of ‘acid rain’ are what goes to make the fertiliser farmers buy and use to make their crops/fields = (the colour) green.
Esp in the UK since coal-powered trains and most industry disappeared, farmers are now required to use extra Sulphur on their crops. 50 years ago it was unheard of to do so.
(In order for something to be = A Fertiliser, whatever you decide upon is required to be a (Liebig) limiting nutrient.
If/when/until CO2 gets below 200ppm, it is not a Liebig Limiter and thus not a fertiliser)

Add on that soot is = Biochar = a well recognised soil fertility improver and widely known for ‘breaking up’ heavy clay soils.
Also the rubber-dust coming off car tyres as they used, driven upon and wear out.
All = epic epic fertilisers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/1403483/British-acid-rain-helps-our-trees-says-Norway.html

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strativarius
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 16, 2023 7:32 am

The Guardian has a catastrophe for that…

“Scientists warn of ‘phosphogeddon’ as critical fertiliser shortages loom”

“We have reached a critical turning point,” said Prof Phil Haygarth of Lancaster University. “We might be able to turn back but we have really got to pull ourselves together and be an awful lot smarter in the way we use phosphorus. If we don’t, we face a calamity that we have termed ‘phosphogeddon’.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/12/scientists-warn-of-phosphogeddon-fertiliser-shortages-loom

If other nutrients like ammonia and nitrogen are being deliberately removed it doesn’t seem so much of a problem…

Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 16, 2023 10:37 am

“Also the rubber-dust coming off car tyres as they used, driven upon and wear out”

More tire and brake shoe dust with heavier electric vehicles.

Hell_Is_Like_Newark
March 16, 2023 7:27 am

Air quality stations around the world:

https://aqicn.org/map/northamerica/

George Daddis
March 16, 2023 7:32 am

The good neighbor rule” should be renamed “the diminishing returns rule“.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  George Daddis
March 17, 2023 7:58 am

How about the “cure is worse than the disease rule.”

CD in Wisconsin
March 16, 2023 9:21 am

My response to all of this is that it is high time that Congress pass legislation that requires all changes to EPA rules and regulations and all new EPA rules and regulations must be approved by both Houses of Congress. If deemed necessary, require that the President sign it into law as well.

The only way this is going to happen of course is for the Republicans to get control of both Houses of Congress and the White House. Congress needs to have a say because of the impact that changes to rules and new rules can have on the economy.

I acknowledge however that the chances of this ever happening are probably pretty slim.

Tony_G
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
March 17, 2023 7:24 am

CD even if the Reps gain control I wouldn’t count on it happening. Especially if it’s the “old guard”. They don’t have a good history of actually accomplishing anything over the last couple decades.

Bruce Cobb
March 16, 2023 9:30 am

Like a good neighbor, Big State is there.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Kip Hansen
March 17, 2023 8:02 am

Ronald Reagan was right. One of the scariest things you’ll ever hear is “We’re from the government and we’re here to help.”

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 17, 2023 7:59 am

Like a bad neighbor, Big State is there.

FIFY

Bob
March 16, 2023 11:53 am

Political leaders, administrators, bureaucrats and the lemmings who work for them all need to be cut down to size, they are completely out of control. The most useful first step would be to take away the EPA’s enforcement authority. The second most effective step would be to reduce all budgets, by that I mean an actual reduction not a reduction of an increase. There is no reason to play favorites, reduce all budgets.

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sherro01
March 16, 2023 1:40 pm

Kip,
Australia might not be like USA where you write of regulatory and enforcement action causing cleanup of air pollution. In the Australia of the 1960-70 era as I recall it, industry cleaned up what little pollution there was. Our EPA-like bodies, Federal and State, were self-congratulatory after the event, but in a realistic analysis they contributed little about techniques, cost estimates, timing, national measurement data, all aspirational talk, theory more than practice. They were costly, but they could not justify their existence by cost:benefit analysis.
I was involved in what might be a non-representable special case, being minimising of harm to all concerned through our mining of uranium in the remote Northern Territory. In the global context, Ranger was one of the first new, big deposits and was a pace-setter around the world. Radon gas was an example of what needed study and action. We did thorough and expensive work not because we were told to, not because of the high level of public hysteria, but simply because it was obvious common sense.
Overall, at national levels around the world, companies improved their performance with a range of emissions when they could afford this expenditure. Start-ups concentrate first on the essentials, aiming for financial success that allows later frills. In those past years, the bulk of onlooking activist demands about pollution were in the frills category. Mostly, the activists were inexperienced, ignorant of the important parts of the exercises because they had never done the work themselves. The companies fixed things less and less related to core business when they could afford them, when they were warranted and not when bureaucrats invented them as signals of power.
Geoff S

Punta Gorda
March 17, 2023 12:09 pm

This is the same EPA that intentionally poisoned the Animas river.

It doesnot add up
March 17, 2023 4:28 pm

I suspect that the remaining NOx probably has less to do with transport than you assume. It will be from furnaces. Here’s what has happened to UK NOx emissions by sector since 1990

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