EU Puts Continent on Fast Track to Zero… New Fossil Fuel Cars to Be Banned By 2035!

From the NoTricksZone

By P Gosselin

Europe needs to call the economic suicide hotline…

The EU’s increasingly centrally-planned society has taken another huge leap forward, as it bans fossil fuel mobility. 

Source: AI generated image, dall.e 2

Beginning in 2025, it will no longer be possible to register new fossil fuel vehicles in the EU. They will be completely banned.

This is what the European Union decided after MEPs approved its new draconian car-emissions measure on February 14. Though used diesel and gasoline engine vehicles will not be affected, they will end up being phased out as they reach their end of life.

EU’s fast track to zero

Car manufacturers, a major engine of the European economy, will have to gradually reduce the total CO₂ emissions of all the passenger cars they sell within a year. By 2035, CO₂ emissions from newly registered passenger cars will have to be zero.

Proponents argue that it provides European automakers a clear timeframe to switch production over to electric vehicles and will ultimately force them to become more completive internationally. It’s for their own good, Europe believes.  The European Union’s aims to be “climate neutral” by 2050. Greens are calling it a victory for the planet.

Millions of jobs at risk

Critics, however, claim nobody is ready for such a draconian end to internal combustion engine vehicles and that the measure will put millions of jobs at risk. In Germany alone some 600,000 people work on gasoline and diesel engine car production. And approximately 20% of all German jobs are at least partly dependent on the automotive industry.

Also, both the European and German power grids are far from ready for the massive extra load. A fully electric transportation sector likely will not be possible without severe rationing and charging restrictions.

Experts also warn cars will become a luxury good affordable only for the rich and that overall mobility for regular citizens will be massively limited.

The center-right European People’s Party (EPP) warned of the “Havana effect”, where Europeans will be forced to drive vintage fossil fuel-burning cars after new sales are banned – because they won’t be able afford electric cars.

Another dream to be smashed by reality?

So what are the chances this new EU draconian policy will actually work in practice in the future? To get some hints, one only needs to look at Europe’s overall green movement and progress so far. It’s not pretty:

  • Skyrocketing heating bills, fuel shortages
  • Already unstable power grids, supply
  • Food shortages and inflation
  • Disrupted supply chains
  • Double digit inflation on many goods
  • Mass censorship (to keep debacles hidden)
  • Deindustrialization and prosperity loss

Already, due to its power grid instability, the German government has been forced to extend the operating time of 3 nuclear power plants that had been planned to be taken off line December 31st, 2022. Policy reversals are unavoidable whenever pie-in-the-sky ideologies clash with realty.

Violent clash with reality

Europe’s dream of a “clean”, zero-emissions electric mobility also will lose in the collision with reality. Too many major drawbacks have been dismissed or outrightly denied by Europe’s green central planners. Thus the chances of a major back-to-reality energy policy reversal are almost certain in the future.

There isn’t going to be any soft landing for this reckless blind leap by the EU.

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Scarecrow Repair
February 16, 2023 10:05 pm

Oughta start a pool on when the EU postpones the date of reckoning. Has to be by 2030 at the latest to avoid shutting down designing, and I can’t imagine even a 5 year postponement doing any good, got to be at least 10 or 15 to avoid having too few cars to sell, because EVs can’t make up the deficit of no ICE cars, and the transportation networks can’t adjust that fast.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
February 16, 2023 10:21 pm

More EVs + Nut Zero = shorter time delay until blackouts

Reply to  Richard Greene
February 17, 2023 5:14 am

Need to blow up more pipelines.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Scissor
February 17, 2023 9:50 am

UK wasn’t buying Russian gas
For Germany and the EU:
Nordstream 2 was never opened
Nordstream 1 was shipping a declining quantity of gas due to the trade war

It doesnot add up
Reply to  Richard Greene
February 17, 2023 10:39 am

Nordstream 1 stopped shipping any gas several weeks before.

I was interested to read that the Russians assess the cost of repairs as a mere snip at around $500m. They spent several weeks surveying the line around and well upstream of the explosions. That would of course be paid by the German customers and investors were it to proceed. No skin off Putin’s nose at all.

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Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
February 16, 2023 11:49 pm

The point is made that the objective is not to have us all driving EV’s but to have all but the ‘elite’ walking.

Reply to  HotScot
February 17, 2023 1:27 am

But walking is very healthy. It will likely reduce medical expenses and prolong life. (wink)

Reply to  Vincent
February 17, 2023 2:04 am

Have you ever walked 200 miles, ie London to York? How long did it take you?

Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 5:26 am

No, but that would be a tremendous achievement. I think I would get more positive votes for that, than my usual negative votes. (wink)

Bryan A
Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 6:46 am

Most people would plod along at about 2mph for about 10 hours per day averaging 20 Miles per day it would take 10 days and given their durability you’d need a new pair of shoes when you arrive

Reply to  Bryan A
February 17, 2023 3:14 pm

In Australia, if you shop around, you can buy walking shoes at less than the price of the petrol required to drive 200 miles.

michael hart
Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 5:03 pm
Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 10:51 pm

The question is immaterial. Nobody will be allowed to walk that far, everybody will be required to die no further than 15 minutes travel from their place of birth.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Vincent
February 17, 2023 3:34 am

I used to think walking was safe until a 49-year-old female friend was struck and killed by a pickup truck, while crossing a street as a pedestrian, in her hometown of Urbana Illinois a few years ago.

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Reply to  Richard Greene
February 17, 2023 5:40 am

In Australia, the percentage of pedestrian deaths in road accidents is around 14%. The majority of deaths are the occupants of the vehicles involved in road accidents.

Reply to  Richard Greene
February 17, 2023 11:23 am

They are planning on getting rid of most cars.
However, the number of busses will probably go up.

Reply to  MarkW
February 17, 2023 5:40 pm

In Paris, as a child I thought of bus driving a inherently prudent and conservative.
Now I see a lot of reckless busses in Paris!

February 16, 2023 10:09 pm

I foresee revolution and return of the guillotine.

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Reply to  Streetcred
February 16, 2023 11:30 pm

Revolution and the return of gasoline?

Reply to  Streetcred
February 17, 2023 4:02 am

Unfortunately I disagree. The plebs are far too supine.

Reply to  Streetcred
February 17, 2023 1:51 pm

I foresee the EU government turning Europe into an impoverished economic backwater. Who knows, maybe in another generation or two Europe will be colonized by China or India.

Reply to  Marty
February 17, 2023 3:14 pm

It is already being colonized by northern Africa and the Middle East.

Just as the US is being colonized by Mexico and Central America, as well as China.

Reply to  Streetcred
February 17, 2023 5:47 pm

The barbarian way the yellow vests were repressed WARNING extremely graphic

The “pays des droits de l’homme“:

Effect of crowd control weapon

comment image

And that is just a very small part of the disgusting effects.

And yes, grenades were sometimes shot in absolutely peaceful protesters.
People died. Some weren’t even protesting (one old lady who was closing her window – that death was attributed to the hospital).

(In Macron’s France, being shot (with a large projectile, not a lead bullet) can result in ‘death from hospital condition’; but being very ill and having COVID results in death from COVID.)

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Richard Greene
February 16, 2023 10:19 pm

Moderator Charles “The Big Cheese” Rotten posts one good article every four hours and adds one good photograph. He deserves three or four cheers.

This is impressive 24 hours a day performance from a guy whose “office” is a bar stool at a seedy bar down by the docks, where he drinks MD 20-20, alternating with black coffee, with his “executive assistant” Honeypie Deluxe at his side. Most people would reach a tipping point under those circumstances, falling off the barstool, fast asleep, but not Charles. He has stamina, just as in the good old days, when he had been the lead singer for the band Sex Pistols, calling himself “Johnny Rotten” at the time, because Charles was not cool enough.
Moderator Bait.

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Reply to  Richard Greene
February 16, 2023 11:54 pm

Causing trouble again I see.

Reply to  Richard Greene
February 17, 2023 12:47 am


Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 2:16 am

Mr. Green thinks it’s really clever to insult people by adopting juvenile playground tactics like misnaming people as an insult.

I just can’t get this image out my head every time I see him post another of his puerile comments. 🤣

Richard Greene
Reply to  HotScot
February 17, 2023 3:42 am

I posted a joke
Charles could remove it if he was offended by it.
But you obviously have no sense of humor
That’s why you responded with angry character attack

Your much more vicious character attack on me at the Manhattan Contrarian website drove me away from that website because it is not properly moderated, and the web master later refused my request to remove it
Congratulations for silencing me there.
It won’t work here.

Reply to  Richard Greene
February 17, 2023 4:09 am

You forgot the /sarc tag again Richard. Just look at how many literal-minded people you’ve started up now!

Richard Greene
Reply to  Disputin
February 17, 2023 9:54 am

48.9% of my jokes are not recognized as jokes and 1.4% get me slapped in the face by women. Sarcasm is best if it gets people riled up. The anonymous HotSpud sees my name and is immediately all riled up.

Stuart Baeriswyl
February 16, 2023 10:34 pm

…and none of this banning of fossil fuels is actually necessary. With the possible exception of coal, fossil fuels are a clean resource that is wonderfully cheap and relatively environmentally friendly to explore for, develop and use.

The earth has been warming fairly linearly for about 250 years – well before significant emission increases of the dreaded CO2 began about 75 years ago. Moderate warming is actually GOOD and added atmospheric CO2 has a positive greening of the environment.

So, as I see it, fossil fuels = green energy

Reply to  Stuart Baeriswyl
February 16, 2023 11:31 pm

And fossil fuels are renewable. Timescales may be a bit of a stretch but they are truly green.

Reply to  Stuart Baeriswyl
February 17, 2023 12:46 am

Well, German coal is massively awful but British coal is some of the best in the world and this coal is a very clean fuel nowadays – as well as being the cheapest source of energy available (without all the greenie cross-charges) and being a great source of the food that plants are being starved by!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Ian_e
February 17, 2023 7:08 am

Modern A-USC (Advanced Super Critical) and Steam H Coal Plants are very clean and able to start up from cold in under 30 minutes. What’s not to like?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Stuart Baeriswyl
February 17, 2023 11:14 am

Even coal is fine given modern pollution controls. And necessary for metal making (different variety).

February 16, 2023 10:35 pm

And approximately 20% of all German jobs are at least partly dependent on the automotive industry.

20%? How about ALL. Absent combustion engines the economy collapses and the masses starve. Even electric car production would cease, you cannot make them without a combustion engine driven supply chain.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 16, 2023 11:34 pm

Ford have announced something like 3800 job losses across Europe already as they need fewer engineers to develop EVs. And still UK politicians announce the green job revolution is just around the corner. Honest. Tomorrow. Millions of green jobs.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  Bil
February 17, 2023 6:28 am

The important part is that they have abandoned the mass market. You can have an electric Mustang for cery fancy money to show off to your neighbours.

The factory redundancies will follow as the party for the Fiesta ends.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Bil
February 17, 2023 11:59 am

Experience shows addition of “green jobs” subtract three useful jobs each.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 17, 2023 5:31 am

you cannot make them without a combustion engine 

More importantly, how do you get road side service without ICE vehicles!. Ever notice the service vehicles for dead Teslas?

Lee Riffee
Reply to  RickWill
February 17, 2023 7:40 am

Service vehicles for dead Teslas – tow trucks! There’s no way AAA can bring you a few volts to get you to the next charging station….

Richard Greene
Reply to  Lee Riffee
February 17, 2023 10:04 am

 for dead Teslas:

The owners should set them on fire and collect the insurance money. Most Tesla buyers will be glad to use that insurance money to buy a much cheaper ICE vehicle, or even two of them, with the same amount of money they paid for one inconvenient Tesla.

My buddy had an EV “relocation service” for owners who are disappointed with their EVs. The EV will “disappear” for a small fee, and the owner then collects insurance money. Walter is temporarily out of business on unpaid sabbatical, but will return in six months. Write him at:

Walter “I didn’t do it” Washington
Suite 34
Cellblock B
Jackson State Prison
Jackson, Michigan 49201

Dave Andrews
Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 17, 2023 7:10 am

BMW have already announced it is moving production of the electric Mini from UK to China. Germany next?

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Dennis Gerald Sandberg
February 16, 2023 10:59 pm

Europe will get net zero, alright, net zero economy. If the auto industry doesn’t make the appropriate response, they’ll get what they deserve, bankruptcy. They must announce a complete manufacturing withdrawal and relocation outside the European Union unless the deadline is extended to a less unreasonable 2050. An incredible attempt at economic suicide. Here’s hoping they have a Suicide Prevention Program to deal with this emergency.

Dennis Gerald Sandberg
Reply to  Dennis Gerald Sandberg
February 16, 2023 11:21 pm

I’m confused by an apparent contradiction between the headline and this statement in the posting: Beginning in 2025, it will no longer be possible to register new fossil fuel vehicles in the EU. They will be completely banned.
Comment: The 2025 set off by alarm system, maybe it’s 2035, still dumb but not insane.

Iain Reid
February 16, 2023 11:16 pm

electric vehicles are pointless unless the electricity generated is zero CO2 emitting, which it can’t be if they continue with renewables. A large renewable capacity requires a large fossil fuel capacity for balancing and intermittency.
Nuclear generation is the only one technically possible to de carbonise electrical generation but it is not politically acceptable generally, and certainly out of the question with regard to the very short time frame.

Reply to  Iain Reid
February 17, 2023 1:04 am

Well said Iain Reid.
Industrial countries need plenty of affordable and reliable electricity .
Politicians are in dream land if they ” think? “that factories can employ people to manufacture goods that are needed for modern living using expensive intermittent power supplies.
The cost of energy flows through to every thing that is in the supermarkets and stores .
I agree with you that nuclear power is the one and only solution to carbon zero .
The fact that not one government is planing to build new Nuclear power plants has to mean that this zero carbon push by all the countries that signed the Paris agreement is a farce .
Eight billion people cannot survive on this earth without the energy that the world is now generating .
The push towards electrifying the worlds transport fleet will require a massive amount of extra electricity.
I ask you and every politician that is pushing net zero or carbon zero where is this electricity coming from except nuclear ?
The answer is that they have not got a clue .
As I told the select committee on our zero carbon Act
“. History will judge you for putting unproven ideology ahead of common sense .”

Reply to  Graham
February 17, 2023 2:09 am

Your description of politicians is appropriate. I refer to them as the “technically-illiterate”.

Elliot W
Reply to  Graham
February 17, 2023 11:28 am

“History will judge you”

Sadly, no, it won’t.

Firstly, history is written by survivors—but, by design, those that bear the brunt of the No Energy policy will die.

Secondly, for information to become history rather than legend, it must be written down and kept someplace. There are two problems with that: no energy also means no paper/printer/book/computer production AND the increasing illiteracy of the young.

February 16, 2023 11:29 pm

In the UK it’s 2030 for the ban on new ICE. And Ford have already started laying off staff involved in new car design as they say EVs are simpler. Can’t be long before a U turn is needed.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Bil
February 17, 2023 7:20 am

There are over 31m ICE cars in the UK compared to less than 1m fully electric vehicles. The ICE vehicles pay road tax and fuel tax which EVs are exempt from. Those taxes bring in over £37 billion a year to the Treasury. Add those costs to the already much higher cost of EVs and even fewer people will be able to afford them. The UK Treasury needs to wake up before its to late.

Reply to  Dave Andrews
February 17, 2023 7:33 am

I’ve seen so many EV drivers state how much cheaper their cars are to run – until the Treasury decides it needs to tap them, then watch them squeal.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Bil
February 17, 2023 1:22 pm

The way my electric bill is going, they won’t need taxes or fees to make EVs more expensive.

Reply to  John in Oz
February 17, 2023 4:57 pm

So it looks like these people want roads maintained for their electric vehicles and believe that they don’t have to pay because they are saving the planet.
Rather a selfish attitude fostered by politicians .
How much coal is used to generate electricity in Australia at night when the wind stops blowing ?.
In most countries fuel tax is added at the pump and is paid by all road users to build and maintain the roading network .
In New Zealand I was involved with Federated Farmers in the mid eighties and we were able to persuade the government to not tax diesel but to fit all diesel vehicles with hub meters so that they now pay by the kilometer traveled according to their weight. .
This was because virtually all farm tractors and combine harvesters are diesel powered .
All construction and earth-moving equipment and fishing vesselsare diesel powered .
This has worked well here in New Zealand except our heavy transport sector complain that they have become the governments tax collectors .

Rod Evans
February 16, 2023 11:48 pm

As a mechanical engineer, I view these state policies with a bemused equanimity.
I come from the age before computer games, a time when we believed if something was impossible, then it would not happen.
Clearly, in today’s world those making long term policy decisions operate a different mindset.
It is of course possible to ban all fossil fuel powered vehicles. That option, a period of history going back just a couple of hundred years, was an interesting time for humanity. Many fine musicians produced some of the worlds finest music. We had a small world population less than one billion souls, surviving a brief period of life the average around 40 years with illness and exhaustion taking its toll.
We can return to that past paradigm though why anyone would desire doing so is a puzzle.
We have made some fine music during these fossil fueled years too many to mention them all and living to around eighty years of age for many is seen as a positive development.
Hey ho, blocking the use of fossil fuel and returning to the by gone era of slavery and servants will no doubt appeal to a certain strand of society. I am not sure the majority of people will want to transition to the 17th century though, so things will get interesting…..

Reply to  Rod Evans
February 17, 2023 12:23 am

The vision isn’t that. Its that everything stays the same, except that the power is supplied by wind and solar, cars are EVs, but there are still malls, cities, driving, supermarkets. And especially there is still not the Internet, which to this generation consists entirely of streaming services and social media.

Rod Evans
Reply to  michel
February 17, 2023 12:52 am

What their (the alarmists) vision is and what the reality of their policies achieve, are clearly not the same.

Reply to  Rod Evans
February 17, 2023 1:22 am

Indeed no. The reality, if its pursued, will be a fall in the number of cars, and those that remain will be impractical to use for many common uses we take for granted today. The main barrier to numbers will be cost. the main barriers to use will be range and refuel times.

The difficult question is whether the political class will back off as this becomes apparent. I think there is a good chance that they will not.

To the young, who are the real climate, race and gender ultras, modern society is completely magical. Its just there, its indestructible, its always been this way. The Internet consists of social media and streaming services. They are carrying in their pockets computing power which exceeds that available in the entire world until a few decades ago but have no idea what its all based on. They have no way of assessing what is realistic and what is not, but their general approach is demand, get some suggestions, start doing it.

Meanwhile the political class, a generation older, is in profound group think and terrified of offending anyone who raises their voice. Where this came from, who knows?

The effects of the proposals will be gradual because of the large number of used ICE cars. So come 2030 no-one will notice much. But the decisive change will have happened, no-one will be making ICE cars any more, and from then on the changes will gradually start to happen. I think by 2040 we will see 20% max of the present number of cars. We’ll also see the demise of much out of town real estate, shopping centers, industrial estates. People will increasingly not be able to get to them. Commuting to work will become difficult and more expensive. The school run?

Neither the activist young nor the political class of a generation older seem to have any idea what their policies will lead to. Nor do they have any interest in figuring it out. Its because the world they live in is magic. They don’t know where it came from, what it rests on, and they have no idea what their policies will do to it, and no interest in even discussing it. In a magical world, everything is possible, so just do it.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  michel
February 17, 2023 5:16 am

‘To the young, who are the real climate, race and gender ultras, modern society is completely magical. Its just there, its indestructible, its always been this way.’

You’re referring to the Eloi, of course. Cue Rod Taylor.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
February 17, 2023 7:37 am

mmm tasty

Reply to  michel
February 17, 2023 11:25 am

I agree with what you have written as I was born in 1943 and I would never expect anyone to live without electricity or vehicles as many did in those times.
Do you really believe that the general public and our grand children and great grand children will accept this nonsense of zero carbon? .
Some governments in some countries will defy the UN and world opinion .
Just as China is doing at this time in history .(China is now consuming much more coal now than the whole world used in 2010)
Some western countries will defy world opinion and will install nuclear power plants to carry on with our western style of living .
These countries will will become magnets for young people all over the world to visit and enjoy .
The UN was formed to help the world recover after WW2 but it has been taken over by people with hidden agendas trying to turn the world into some communist utopia .
The Paris Climate Agreement is pushing the world to de carbonize but they have not thought how that can happen without another major energy source .

Reply to  michel
February 17, 2023 12:27 pm

Whether there will be a slow decline of ICE vehicles completely depends on the availability of gasoline and diesel. There may be plenty of oil in the ground but if governments make it uneconomical or impossible to recover, that’s that.

But without oil, loss of the use of fossil fueled vehicles will just be one of several major disasters. The problem of replacing plastic, alone, by wood, metal, ceramics, plant fiber, or animal products is virtually insurmountable. Then there is a host of other replacement problems, from jet fuels to medicines.

Reply to  michel
February 17, 2023 11:33 pm

I really do think that the green’s vision is exactly that. The common folk will be treated like serfs. In many places in the middle ages, they were literally owned by the Lord of the manor. Whereas the greens expect to become the lords.

Reply to  Rod Evans
February 17, 2023 2:11 am

But many of us love horses!

Reply to  mikelowe2013
February 17, 2023 4:13 am

I think that’s illegal!

Reply to  Disputin
February 17, 2023 11:32 am

Almost as bad as dating yourself.

Reply to  Disputin
February 17, 2023 11:56 am

What about those who identify as horses? Some may even be non-binary trans horses. Trans horses need love, too. (ridicule of the woke).

Tom in Florida
Reply to  mikelowe2013
February 17, 2023 4:33 am

Oh, horse sh*t.

February 17, 2023 12:01 am

Beginning in 2025, it will no longer be possible to register new fossil fuel vehicles in the EU. They will be completely banned.

Think that’s a typo. Don’t you mean 2035?

Reply to  michel
February 17, 2023 12:49 am

I certainly hope so: I want to buy my next Fiat Panda in 2029, before sales are banned in the UK (ye gods, that is 2030)!

Reply to  Ian_e
February 17, 2023 1:19 am

Similarly, I am buying my next big diesel tow car in 2028-2029 before the UK ban on the sale of new petrol & diesel vehicles in 2030. Should see me out into my dotage.

After which the UK will become like Cuba. Car sales will crash in 2030.

Unless…could there be a loophole where we grey import “secondhand” petrol and diesel vehicles with just a few miles on the clock…..? Sounds like a business opportunity. ;=)

Dave Andrews
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
February 17, 2023 7:27 am

The nearer to 2030 you leave it the costlier the ICE vehicles will become because so many people will be doing the same.

Reply to  Ian_e
February 17, 2023 2:54 am

My understanding is that 2030 is the year when ICE only cars are banned in the UK. In other words we are still able to buy hybrids. 2035 is when all ICE vehicles will be banned altogether and the only option will be to buy a full BEV (Battery Electric Vehicle).

If these ridiculous restrictions are not lifted by 2027 (when my next lease runs out) my final ICE only car will be bought then, and run until either I keel over or it dies of rust.

Reply to  Ian_e
February 17, 2023 11:33 am

You mean one of these?

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February 17, 2023 12:10 am

There is a popular saying about putting all one’s eggs in the same basket.

Our evolved, distributed and rather well balanced global energy mix was, until Joe Biden’s Presidential coup, working rather well for humanity.

Relying on a single energy source for for everything consumers western consumers need is a collective suicide pact. BRICS nations won’t conform to it, and if we imagine China is commercially powerful now, we are about to open the door for them to completely dominate the world in every imaginable way.

February 17, 2023 12:46 am

Can’t afford an EV?

Get a soapbox cart

Dave Andrews
Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 7:29 am

Should be able to fit a small electric motor to that 🙂

February 17, 2023 1:10 am

Clearly the technocrats are intent on destroying Germany. Without Germany as the banker, the EU project falls apart, their major industry is being ripped apart though a combination of high costs of war and green energy inducted economic suicide combined with the retirement of the mittelstand owners + the added social welfare costs of immigration and aging population. The Green jobs and economy delusion is the straw that will break the camels back.

Less well off Europeans will import cars from China, good luck being the politician that tells the population in suburbia, they must cycle to work and use a cargo bike to do weekly shopping or cannot take cheap flights to go on holiday in Southern Europe. They will vote.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  mews
February 17, 2023 7:36 am

Green jobs? Wind Europe said in Feb 2022 that the wind industry had already lost 50,000 jobs in Germany alone over the preceding 6 years.

Elliot W
Reply to  mews
February 17, 2023 11:34 am

Doesn’t matter who votes what. What matters is who tallies those “votes”.

Peta of Newark
February 17, 2023 1:19 am

They are ill, They really really are.
I came on this a little too late for Kip’s skate over food nutrients – this one blows him, and all of us, completely out of the water.

And. next time you wanna take the pi$$ out of Greta, remember the 2nd point on there.
It is that, as a wannabe mother and should you be so inclined (you wont be) , there is an actual recipe for making Autistic children
i.e While pregnant, deprive yourself of Iron and Folate
You need not even deprive of Iron, just deprive of Copper and that will strip any available Iron out of you.
If you can’t be bothered, just let Glyphosate do the heavy lifting – it will strip both those out of you. Find it in High Fructose Corn Syrup especially

Listen carefully Brandon (if you still can) and Brandon wannabes, to the words at 40:26
Brain fog? Chronic Fatigue?

Did anyone see/care/give a t0$$, it’s time for Brandon’s Health Check about now – to see if he’s A Fit Person.
He’s gonna get a blood pressure/sugar and a colonoscopy plus a few other bits of irrelevance but The Very Last Thing he’s gonna be checked on (unlike Trumpo) – is his cognitive skills.
A mental ability test has been completely ruled out – actually ruled out – seemingly it might have been part of that checkup

How many times in that ITT podcast yesterday did they say: “The world has gone mad and everything (compared 20yrs ago) – is now wrong

edit to PS. Wind it back to the start, play it all.
Just pick out the nuggets that appeal.The process of learning is like building a jigsaw – nothing makes sense at the start.
Even worse with ‘learning’, you don’t even knpw where the pieices are and which out of myriad simultaneous jigsaws each nugget fits as you come upon them

Then suddenly……………

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Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 17, 2023 2:07 am

Have you seen the 2nd hand EV market? It’s interesting that they don’t account for reduction in the battery’s original capacity, which leaves looking for a low mileage one….

Dave Andrews
Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 7:49 am

The Chinese EV manufacturer Nio has developed a smart swap out battery station system whereby you lease the battery and change it for a different one when it runs down.
They have several in operation in China and have recently opened one in Norway – attracted by the high take up of EVs in that country due to the very generous subsidies available from their vast sovereign wealth fund built on the back of their huge N Sea oil and gas reserves! Many of those subsidies have now been withdrawn, however.

Leasing the battery reduces the initial cost of the car but could cost £200 a month. Plus most EVs tend to be smaller in China than elsewhere so it remains to be seen how well the system works in Norway (and potentially elsewhere)

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Reply to  Dave Andrews
February 17, 2023 12:53 pm

There are niche markets everywhere, but the average number of miles driven in the US is twice that of Norway. Some states, like Wyoming, the average is triple. And finding swap-out stations in flyover country will be challenging for a long time.

One of my pet peeves of the greens is the assumption that one size fits all. There are some areas of the US where I would want a range of at least 600 miles if I had to drive there frequently in all types of weather.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 17, 2023 2:17 am

And talking of nuggets, Peta, I’m sure there are a few somewhere in there. But where?

February 17, 2023 2:03 am

Even more justification for the UK’s Brexit. How sensible that was, looking back.
Now it will be interesting to see whether there develops a new huge industry replacing high mileage car engines with lower mileage versions. Then there will be many unforeseen changes, such as enormous increases in values of low-mileage ICE cars. Meanwhile, I’m hanging on to my 13-year-old Nissan X-Trail, the perfect vehicle for those who just occasionally wish to transport larger objects further than the claimed range of an EV!

Lee Riffee
Reply to  mikelowe2013
February 17, 2023 8:00 am

Agreed. I think that’s the only industry that will grow in the EU. Rebuilding and re-manufacturing ICE vehicles. If some parts aren’t available by the manufacturers, aftermarkets will spring up to fill those needs. ICE cars that now are headed for the junk yard will instead be rebuilt. Welcome to the Cubafornication of the EU!

Tom Abbott
February 17, 2023 2:13 am

From the article: “So what are the chances this new EU draconian policy will actually work in practice in the future?”

As you said, “Zero”.

There is zero chance this will turn out good.

Clueless EU politicians are running just as fast as they can towards the economic disaster cliff. The picture at the top of the article is appropriate.

The EU politicians force this drastic measure on their people and meanwhile China and others are increasing their CO2 output. What a ridiculous situation!

EU Idiocracy.

There’s no evidence CO2 needs to be controlled or regulated, yet we get this from our leaders. Insanity!

Richard Greene
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 17, 2023 3:45 am

CO2 needs to be controlled to control you.
Control is the goal of all leftists.

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February 17, 2023 2:19 am

Ending car manufacturing in Germany. Stihl is going totally electric and is now made in China. Electric levels the playing field, you don’t need all those German technical experts working on their specialist diesel and petrol engines in Stuttgart.

Reply to  richard
February 17, 2023 2:59 am

now made in China”

Thus bringing German emissions down….

Tom Abbott
Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 9:50 am

Bringing emissions down along with the German economy.

Self destruction.

Reply to  strativarius
February 17, 2023 12:56 pm

And global emissions up.

February 17, 2023 3:24 am

maybe cars will become like ships : registered in countries of convenience .? some non EU country could offer vehicle registration by mail for a fee and generate a pretty good income stream for itself . why not ? ships and boats do it . poland is a popular boat registration country for many yachts recently because of the welcome ease of registration there .

February 17, 2023 4:34 am

So. Can’t buy the car I like (diesel 4WD) so will hang onto my current 4WD.
The problem for Europe will be plenty of car manufacturers by limited customers. What could possibly go wrong.
EU have been a bunch of simpletons for decades now.
Energiewende went well didn’t it.

Reply to  Rasa
February 17, 2023 7:43 am

I love my Suzuki Jimny, but they stopped selling them in the UK a few years back due to the entire Suzuki range being over their allowed ‘carbon’ emissions limits. Good news though, it’s now worth £3,000 more than I paid for it 6 years ago!

February 17, 2023 6:04 am

The EU has just signaled to all that it is looking for a way to end its existence. This latest proclamation may just do the trick. I cannot imagine the citizens of any country within the EU giving up their personal mobility via auto. All based upon a fake “climate” crisis. Which is being steadily debunked worldwide. Not gonna end well for the EU self-appointed guardians of the “climate”. They are proving themselves to be useless to the betterment of the citizens and I look for the removal of the constraints of that not-so august body of dunderheads.
The sooner the better.

It doesnot add up
February 17, 2023 6:24 am

You have to wonder how long it will be before EU greenstanding politicians are banned.

Reply to  It doesnot add up
February 17, 2023 11:43 pm

Make them ride a horse to their next conference.

February 17, 2023 7:57 am

Better ramp up the already high growth of freight trains from China across Russia to the EU to fill the orders. Will they impose a carbon tax on trains? Get your e-scooter now.

story tip

How Europe Needs Freight Trains to Cross Russia From China – BNN Bloomberg

Surge in goods from China strains Russia’s railway network | Reuters

China-Europe Rail Freight Transport Market Analysis – Industry Report – Trends, Size & Share (

Lee Riffee
February 17, 2023 8:17 am

What I can’t understand is why there isn’t more of a fight against these kinds of draconian measures – both here in certain US states and in the UK and now the entire EU. Individuals don’t have much clout – only at the ballot box and even that seems to be corrupted these days to varying degrees.
But big companies do have clout. Imagine if the US told soda and beverage makers that by a certain soon up coming year they could only make and sell diet drinks. Now here in the US pretty much any store you go into has vastly more non-diet drinks for sale. Because apparently they sell many more of those than diet versions. Some brands and flavors don’t even come in a diet version….that tells you (obesity epidemic aside) where the market lies.
So beverage companies are supposed to stock up on artificial sweeteners and tool all of their factors to make drinks that a majority of people won’t buy. And then they are supposed to just sit there and watch their profits dwindle and their companies shrink down to a shadow of their former glory….

IMO if this were to actually happen, I think the beverage companies might just fight back. But what is wrong with car manufacturers? In essence they are being forced to produce a product that most people can’t afford, isn’t practical and one that only certain consumers will buy. They are going to be hurt badly by this stupid little experiment, not so much the gov’t goons that created the laws. And here in the US most auto manufacture is union. What’s wrong with the unions? They will also be shadows of their former selves when auto manufacturing withers on the vine….no industry, no unions!

One other thing – it seems motorcycles are never mentioned in these rogue diktats. Not sure about CA and NY here in the US, but what about UK and EU? I just wonder how many people will switch to purchasing and riding motor bikes (not E-bikes) to get around? Obviously they won’t work for a family of 4 or 5….but couples or single folks could make use of them. Yet another unintended consequence – an explosion of motorcycle training and licensing and skyrocketing sales of motorbikes! Honestly if I had the choice between and EV and nothing, I’d strongly consider a motorcycle. Never rode one and was never into them, but old dogs can learn new tricks, and my husband used to ride them.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  Lee Riffee
February 17, 2023 10:52 am

THe US may not have gone very far with taxing fully leaded Pepsi and Coke, but in the UK we are a lot further down that track. Scotland has a policy that will require all drinks to be sold in returnable bottles, which it is reckoned will kill large swathes of the drinks industry in August when it comes in. The distilleries are not looking forward to returns of whisky bottles either.

February 17, 2023 8:31 am

You will own nothing and love it!

February 17, 2023 8:40 am

I am trying to imagine the car market in 2025. Used cars will go up in value. But will the trade in on an EV compensate for EV price? Does this include hybrids? The idea of turning EU into Havana seems spot on. Machine shops should start doing a good business. Will spare part manufacturing be legislated out of business?

stupid, stupid,stupid.

February 17, 2023 8:46 am

I don’t believe the ban starts in 2025 – other sources say it’s 2035?

February 17, 2023 2:37 pm

All those electric cars by whenever we can manage it? I’m still trying to work out which of the neighbours to the left or right of me wants to pay $18 a year for enviro power when Albo promised us all a $275 reduction-
“No time to waste:” Networks warn of delays for EVs, rooftop solar and batteries | RenewEconomy

Research from CitiPower and Powercor found residential customers were willing to pay an additional $9.00 annually on their electricity bills for better environmental outcomes.

Fess up now which one of you is rolling in the green!

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Reply to  observa
February 17, 2023 11:47 pm

Interesting, $9. Except all-electric power costs a lot more than that.

AGW is Not Science
February 17, 2023 3:23 pm

Chrysler owned by the French, GM going full Eco-Nazi, Ford seemingly headed down the same path.

Looking more and more like my next vehicles will be made by KIA, Hyundai or maybe (shudder) Toyota.

Unless somebody at the top smartens up and keeps more ICE vehicles in the mix, they’re going to be going down the toilet pretty fast.

February 17, 2023 5:21 pm

There is NOT one mainstream political party in France that has fully supported the idea of just keeping the ICE car (not keeping it a little longer, not keeping it until batteries get better or we find cheap lithium or we make hydrogen accessible).

It’s always: “of course gasoline is bad, petrol is evil, blogal worming will kill us BUT give us more time, go SLOW”.

Not one electable politician wanted to say: STOP these ideas. ICE is fine. Gasoline is fine.

February 18, 2023 4:31 pm

Used ICE cars will become highly sought after and valued.

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