Bill Gates: Nuclear Power and Fake Meat can Save Us from Climate Change

Essay by Eric Worrall

Microsoft founder Bill Gates wants us all to eat fake vegetable meat and embrace nuclear power, to avert the climate crisis.

Bill Gates: We will overshoot 1.5 degrees Celsius of global warming, nuclear can be ‘super safe’ and fake meat will eventually be ‘very good’

PUBLISHED FRI, JAN 13 20234:02 PM EST
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  • The world will not be able to avoid overshooting the goal established in the 2015 Paris Climate Accord to limit global warming to, ideally, 1.5 degrees Celsius compared to pre-Industrial levels, Bill Gates told Reddit users on Wednesday.
  • While it’s “great” if people want to be vegan, Gates doesn’t think most people will do that and thinks that alternative meat products will “eventually” be “very good.”
  • Individuals who want to contribute to climate change mitigation can do thinks like vote, buy an electric car and stay optimistic.

The world will not be able to avoid overshooting the goal established in the 2015 Paris Climate Accord to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius compared to pre-Industrial levels, according to Bill Gates.

“The pace of innovation is really picking up even though we won’t make the current timelines or avoid going over 1.5,” Gates wrote in response to a question about how well the world is responding to climate change.

The advanced nuclear reactors TerraPower are building use liquid sodium as the coolant and uranium as a fuel source. 

“We are making excellent progress,” Gates said, while also acknowledging that the Ukraine war has thrown a wrench in TerraPower’s plans because the reactors planned to operate with fuel coming from Russia and that relationship is no longer viable.

Gates has backed several companies working to make meatless meat products, including Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods, he told Reddit users. And he’s also backed Memphis Meats (which has since rebranded under the name Upside Foods), Gates said, and which takes cells from an actual animals and grows the products in laboratory environments.

I think eventually these products will be very good even though their share is small today,” Gates told Reddit. It’s important to innovate alternative ways to produce meat alternatives and climate conscious ways because, “for people who want to go Vegan that is great but I don’t think most people will do that,” Gates said.

We need support on climate from both parties in the US and in all countries,” Gates said. Also, “staying hopeful is a good thing!”

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/13/bill-gates-we-will-overshoot-1point5-degrees-of-global-warming.html

Impossible Foods, one of the companies Bill Gates invested in, laid off staff last October, but claims sales are growing rapidly.

Vegan Meat Leader Impossible Foods Lays Off 6% of Staff Despite Steady Growth. What’s Next?

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By Jill Ettinger Last updated Oct 12, 2022

Impossible Foods, the Bay Area vegan meat brand behind Burger King’s Impossible Whopper, says it recently laid off six percent of its workforce. Is it a sign of more cuts or more growth ahead?

According to Impossible Foods’ CEO Peter McGuinness, the recent spate of layoffs come as part of the company’s restructuring, following his appointment as CEO in April. McGuiness said in a memo to employees that the layoffs involve “roles that have become redundant to others in the organization or that are no longer aligned with our core business priorities.” 

Plant-based meat sales on the decline

An Impossible Foods spokesperson told Green Queen that “contrary to reports about the performance of the plant-based meat category and a number of companies within it, we’re seeing hyper growth, with over 60% year-over-year sales growth in retail alone. Earlier this week we proactively made some organizational changes that strengthen our company and establish clear supply and demand functions to position us for our next phase of expansion. As a result, some roles were eliminated, but we’re continuing to actively recruit for key positions that will enable our continued growth.”

Read more: https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/impossible-foods-lays-off-staff-despite-steady-growth/

I’m OK with nuclear power, but in my opinion this fake meat push is going to kill people.

I’ve lost over 10Kg in three months since I switched to a mostly meat diet, on the advice of medical specialists. Some people’s metabolisms simply cannot tolerate a carb and vegetable rich diet. I believe banning meat, having to eat fake meat, would be a death sentence for me and people like me.

I’ll leave it to your imagination what I think Bill Gates can do with his climate friendly fake meat.

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Tom Halla
January 13, 2023 6:07 pm

I remember early versions of Windows, and have little sympathy for a company that would put out such kludge.
I think the real problem Terrapower has is the association with Bill Gates.

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 13, 2023 7:53 pm

Great news, once the 1.5C limit has been breached, the goal post will be extended to 2.25C “Due to better calculations and finer tuning on climate models” thereby making the imminent danger posed by the arbitrary1.5C limit meaningless and granting us more time to avoid thermogeddon

Richard Greene
Reply to  Bryan A
January 13, 2023 11:29 pm

The +1.5 degree C. meaningless tipping point limit was reached in April 1998 and February 2016 during the peak heat release moments of two large El Nino Pacific Ocean heat releases. Millions of people died. It was in all the newspapers.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 14, 2023 4:40 am

According to NASA Climate and NOAA, the year 2016 was 1.2C or 1.1C above their average, depending on who you listen to.

The Earth would have to hit the high temperatures of 1934 (in the U.S.), where 1934 was 0.5C warmer than 1998 and 2016, to get to the feared 1.5C above their average.

The global temperatures seem to be headed in the opposite direction at the moment, being 0.6C cooler than 2016, today.

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Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Bryan A
January 13, 2023 11:59 pm

At 1.5C will excess summer deaths equal the excess winter deaths of the 1960s? Or will excess deaths in summer and winter be about equal? At what point will there be minimal excess winter deaths and summer excess deaths exceed the rate of the 1950s?

That would seem to me to be a measure of how “good” or “bad” the Climate is.

Old England
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 14, 2023 1:19 am

The ratio between summer and winter deaths I looked at a few years ago seemed to show no appreciable difference between the southern european nations and the UK. Ergo I concluded claims that exceeding 1.5C would significantly increase summer deaths had no basis other than as propaganda.

I’m also very conscious that the previous warmer periods, Medieval, Roman, Minoan all saw the greatest developments in civilisation and they were all between 1 and 3 degrees warmer than today. History has proven that humans and the natural world thrive better in temperatures which are warmer thatn today’s.

slowroll
Reply to  Old England
January 14, 2023 11:59 am

I have often wondered how and why more people would die from a 1.5C temperature increase. We see a bigger change than that everyday from sun up to sundown.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 14, 2023 3:38 am

aus had 18k excess deaths 5k blamed on covid..the rest
crickets
no ones really tried the good ol climate dunnit line(yet)

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 13, 2023 8:37 pm

Prior to Windows 3.1, Windows was a shell that ran on top of MS-DOS. It wasn’t until 3.1 that Windows was a true operating system.

Windows had a problem that they had committed to supporting all of the existing DOS programs. Unlike Apple that had no problem requiring customers to replace all of their existing applications if they wanted to switch to a newer version of the OS.

Premium Cracker
Reply to  MarkW
January 14, 2023 6:25 am

You are wrong about Windows 3.x being a true OS. All Win 3.x versions including WFW required DOS.

Disputin
Reply to  MarkW
January 14, 2023 6:30 am

A pox on both your houses. I run Linux.

Gunga Din
Reply to  MarkW
January 14, 2023 4:14 pm

I think Windows NT and/or Windows XP were the first that didn’t completely depend on DOS running in the background.
PS I do remember a Windows version (3.0?) that required you to enter a DOS command after booting up (C:\Windows.exe?) for it to run.

antigtiff
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 14, 2023 8:07 am

Mr. Beel is Alfred E. Neuman and sez “What me worry?” Mr. Beel operates under the name of charity – tax free- and works his mischief.

Edward Katz
January 13, 2023 6:10 pm

Increasing the amount of nuclear generating capacity is an idea that climate realists recommend, but the alarmists vehemently oppose it since they they continue to believe wind and solar can somehow supplant fossil fuels. As for large numbers of people giving up meat, there’s a better chance of human colonies being established on Mars by 2025.

AndyHce
Reply to  Edward Katz
January 13, 2023 8:16 pm

As for large numbers of people giving up meat, there’s a better chance of human colonies being established on Mars by 2025.

Perhaps the modifier “voluntarily” was supposed to be in front of “giving”. Involuntarily is another kettle of fish entirely if the parasites get their way.

alastairgray29yahoocom
Reply to  AndyHce
January 14, 2023 12:18 am

You can forget about your kettle of fish too

alastairgray29yahoocom
Reply to  Edward Katz
January 14, 2023 12:16 am

Who said anything about giving up meat? It will simply be taken off the menu for proles Kings and WEF elites may still tuck into steak and burgers

Old England
Reply to  Edward Katz
January 14, 2023 1:25 am

I suspect the true reason eco-activists oppose nuclear is that it would produce reliable power and avoid the destruction of western economies which is what they appear to crave.

It is also so much easier to return people to an existence based upon medieval ideas of serfdom (such as 15 minute cities) if you first destroy their economy and jobs.

Graham
Reply to  Old England
January 14, 2023 11:12 am

I believe you are right about why eco activists oppose nuclear power .
They have this strange idea that energy should be strictly rationed BUT important people can use as much as they need .
To hell with the rest of us .
The war against animal farming by activists and bigots like Bill Gates is crass stupidity.
Not one additional atom or molecule of carbon is added to the atmosphere by farmed animals because the the process is a closed cycle .
Every mouth full of fodder consumed by farmed animals has absorbed CO2 from the atmosphere and the small amount of methane emitted during digestion breaks down in the upper atmosphere within 10 years into water vapour and CO2..
The vegetables that are used to manufacture FAKE meat require fossil fuel and nitrogenous fertilizer to grow , then energy to manufacture .
There should be strict laws on for the labeling of fake meat and also alternative milks .
If champagne and specialty cheeses can register there name that no one else use them surely milk has to come from a mammal and all these other fake milks have to be called what they actually are . Juice
Soy juice,Almond juice ,coconut juice and then fake cheeses made without milk should not be able to be sold as cheese .

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Graham
January 14, 2023 4:58 pm

G’Day Graham,

” …all these other fake milks … “

What’s in a name…? My wife (American) had a problem in Brisbane. “Peanut paste? Yuck. What’s wrong with peanut butter?” “Butter comes from cows.” “Oh.”

All it takes is for the dairy industry to have a strong influence in Parliament.

aussiecol
January 13, 2023 6:19 pm

I’ll leave it to your imagination what I think Bill Gates can do with his climate friendly fake
meat.

To be put up in an area where the sun doesn’t shine and the wind blows from time to time.

Richard Greene
Reply to  aussiecol
January 13, 2023 11:30 pm

A lot of hot air exits Gates’ mouth too.

Matt Kiro
January 13, 2023 6:26 pm

Animals do an amazing job of turning grasses, leafy greens and other plants into meat naturally. Why are we wasting our time and energy on this fake meat? It probably uses more energy than all the methane farts in the world.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 13, 2023 10:09 pm

The “thing” behind the curtain is animal justice, or whatever it is called.
Some people do not believe in having pets, eating animals, wearing furs,
and so on. Further, it is cow belching due to enteric fermentation, not the farting.
But again, it is the use of animals some object to.
The climate won’t care.

nailheadtom
Reply to  John Hultquist
January 14, 2023 7:15 pm

The anti-fur bozos have made life difficult and then some for the northern Native Americans, Yupiks and Inupiats that have depended for centuries on trapping fur bearers to make their garments and trade for necessities. In fact, fur was the first reason Europeans came to the New World.

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 13, 2023 10:35 pm

I am no expert on meat production, but I have seen it said many times that a lot of meat animals graze on land that is incapable of being farmed, usually for being too dry or rocky. It seems entirely plausible from what I see on road trips, but I have no idea what proportion — 10%, 50%, 90% — and I have no idea how much of their feeding is being fattened up just before slaughter.

But I do believe that prices and money are just about the most revolutionary invention ever, that farmers and ranchers are as interested in making money as anybody else, and that if they raise meat animals the way they do, it is more profitable growing crops.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
January 14, 2023 3:45 am

CAFO feedlots are foul and use a lot more water and grains than grazing ever did throw in growthpromoters and no thanks.
range fed cows do us all a favour by keeping fire down and eating grass and weeds, saves on chem poisons too

Graham
Reply to  ozspeaksup
January 14, 2023 11:27 am

Buy New Zealand grass fed beef some of the best in the world .
Here is what has happened in New Zealand because of the eco loons interfering and pushing our government on animal welfare standards .
We have a shortage of eggs and the price has increased because of a ban on battery cages .
Then they campaigned against the use of sow crates by our pork and bacon producers which have now been banned which has led to a shortage of New Zealand bacon and ham because so many piglets are now being crushed by their mothers .
Bacon and ham is being imported but there is no guarantee that this product is produced without sow crates .

HB
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 13, 2023 10:42 pm

Without grazing ruminant animals the who planet would turn into a tinderbox every time we had a dry spell ,they provide a necessary service eating and digesting forage that insects (except termites that produce heaps more methane ) cannot handle.
If we did not eat them we would need to manage wild ones the who meat ban achieves nothing.

Graham
Reply to  HB
January 14, 2023 11:38 am

You are 100% right .
Over the last 5 years there were two wild fires in New Zealand that got a lot of press coverage and climate change was blamed .
One was on Banks Peninsula near Christchurch and the other in the Hawkes Bay .
Both areas where the fires started was poorly farmed with a lot of dry grass and scrub.
I have been farming for 65 years and I have only seen two grass fires which were started by sparks or hot coals from coal burning steam locomotives into scrub along side the line .

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 14, 2023 3:43 am

yes Ive mentioned that to fools touting fake meat
how eco is it to run massive labs huge vats and all the peripherals in energy compared to a cow eating grass.
one or two decent outbreaks of botulinum or other bugs would be useful to discourage many from fakefood(and maybe remove supporters permanently)

slowroll
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 14, 2023 12:02 pm

Right. I’m a vegan once removed. My food eats vegetables.

SMC
January 13, 2023 6:27 pm

I’m all in on the nuclear power idea.

As for vegan diets? Well, I like eating vegans and I regularly frequent establishments that serve vegans. 🙂

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Colin
Reply to  SMC
January 13, 2023 7:22 pm

Kinda gamey though?

SMC
Reply to  Colin
January 13, 2023 7:35 pm

Nah. Not if prepared properly.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  SMC
January 13, 2023 8:47 pm

So do I. They are called beef and lamb.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
January 14, 2023 4:21 pm
Richard Greene
Reply to  SMC
January 13, 2023 11:32 pm

Do they taste like chicken?

It doesnot add up
Reply to  SMC
January 14, 2023 12:37 pm

Perhaps Vogons will be next on their menus.

old cocky
Reply to  It doesnot add up
January 14, 2023 7:12 pm

Be very wary of any poetry printed on the menu.

stanny1
January 13, 2023 6:28 pm

The Meat is for the Elite (Davos WEF Globalists) and will be raised on Gates’ farmland. He is the largest private owner of U.S. acreage.

SMC
Reply to  stanny1
January 13, 2023 6:34 pm

Here is an interesting article about who owns the most land in the USA.
2021 Land Report: Who owns the most land in the United States? | Successful Farming (agriculture.com)

DMacKenzie
Reply to  stanny1
January 14, 2023 8:15 am

Bill just says stuff to the media to increase the market value of corporations that he owns shares in.

old cocky
January 13, 2023 6:35 pm

Switching from flood to drip irrigation of rice would almost certainly do more to reduce methane emissions than stopping livestock farming.

davezawadi
Reply to  old cocky
January 15, 2023 1:00 am

Most rice is not grown that way. Paddy rice is particularly Chinese and East Asia, other kinds are grown in the rest of the world, particularly the USA without flooding the fields!

old cocky
Reply to  davezawadi
January 15, 2023 12:20 pm

Most rice is not grown that way. Paddy rice is particularly Chinese and East Asia, other kinds are grown in the rest of the world, particularly the USA without flooding the fields!

US production is 6 million tons. China alone is 149 million. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rice-production-by-country

https://www.usarice.com/thinkrice/discover-us-rice/how-rice-grows and https://blog.kett.com/how-rice-is-grown-in-the-united-states indicate that even the USA still largely uses flood irrigation, with some unspecified amount of drip lines.

Australian rice used to be flood irrigated, but I think this has largely switched to drip lines, as has Australian cotton growing. That’s largely to grow greater acreages with our very limited water supply.

The cotton crops we saw in Texas a few years back used centre pivot.

Irrigation isn’t my area, but my understanding is that drip lines are the most water efficient..

Anyway, the point was that there are more effective ways to reduce methane emissions than to try to eliminate commercial livestock production. Estimated (they aren’t measured) livestock enteric emissions have been very stable for decades and were never going to follow IPCC Scenario A.

Aetiuz
January 13, 2023 7:33 pm

Actually, nothing can save us from climate change, because climate change isn’t real. It doesn’t exist.

Energywise
Reply to  Aetiuz
January 14, 2023 5:27 am

Please don’t give climate alarmists ammunition – climate change does exist, always has, it’s a natural process – the idiot alarmists peddle it’s all caused by human activity and ensuing CO2 emissions, which of course, is a lie

Joe Gordon
January 13, 2023 7:35 pm

Great. A college dropout and a high school dropout are the world’s two leading government advisors.

At least this idiot savant seems to understand that if we convert all our farmland into wind turbine graveyards, we won’t grow enough food to feed those not privileged enough to go to Davos.

But he can take his climate models of doom religion and, proverbially, store it with his solar panels at night.

Peta of Newark
January 13, 2023 7:43 pm

Yes and no Mr Grates…
Until your fake meat ceases to contain:

  • Lectins
  • Tannins
  • Alkaloids
  • Carbohydrates
  • a far from comprehensive list)

and does contain:

  • Saturated fat
  • Animal proteins
  • Real salt e.g. Sea salt, Rock salt or Himalaya salt
  • Correctly balanced minerals and trace elements

…they will be a bigger health disaster than fake (artificial) sweeteners are – in that they will make people hungry, fat/obese/diabetic, braindead, demented, stupid, belligerent, warmongering and physically dead.
The increased production of plant-based nutrient-free mush will accelerate soil erosion even more than existing agriculture already has and the 6th extinction will become a reality.
(It is in fact already a reality, it is ongoing and accelerating)

There is precedent: King Henry 8th
Look what he did: Set off an Ice Age

But Henry was a modest little nobody operating on a fairly local scale – this time Mr Grates, the thing you set off will be global and total

Richard Greene
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 13, 2023 11:35 pm

…”they (fake meat) will be a bigger health disaster than fake (artificial) sweeteners are – in that they will make people hungry, fat/obese/diabetic, braindead, demented, stupid, belligerent, warmongering and physically dead”

Artificial sweeteners are not a health disaster. That is a conspiracy theory. And the rest of your sentence is Floyd R. Turbo-style claptrap.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 14, 2023 3:50 am

so explain why all the obese people are the ones gaining weight while guzzling diet drinks? and lo-cal muck sold high for low value?
the body tastes “sweet” produces insulin except theres no sugar to process and the insulin has to go to storage.
even medicos are finally speaking up about it
stevia which is /or was natural got the GMO works in china to superboost it for commerce before coke n pepsi started their huge promotion of it

Premium Cracker
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 14, 2023 6:59 am

“in that they will make people hungry, fat/obese/diabetic, braindead, demented, stupid, belligerent, warmongering and physically dead.”

It sounds as if you are describing western society today, excepting the hungry part. I do not think we can blame fake meat for these pathologies.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
January 13, 2023 8:00 pm

More social control. What you eat, think, see, believe is up to someone else.

AndyHce
January 13, 2023 8:13 pm

I chanced upon a link earlier today but can no longer find it. It was about rewritten regulations for next generation nuclear power plants that was supposed to simplify the process and reduce expenses but said that the plans submitted for approval actually made the approval process greatly more difficult and much more expensive. Has anyone else see such a thing?

lanceman
Reply to  AndyHce
January 14, 2023 9:45 am

The AP1000 reactor was designed by Westinghouse. The Chinese began construction of their Sanmen 1 unit in 2009 and it went into operation in 2018. By contrast, Vogtle 3 began construction in 2013 and is expected to go into service early in 2023 at a cost FAR higher than originally anticipated. So the US effort took a year longer despite having an advantage of 4 years of hindsight. To be fair, some of the US delay could be due to the covid hysteria. And NRC mandated modifications to the containment building to increase resistance to aircraft impact.

I worked on the VC Summer project which planned identical reactors in South Carolina but was cancelled in 2017 due to cost overruns. In my opinion, some of the major reasons for the problems on the US side were:

  • Westinghouse made very poor selections of subcontractors for the US projects. They were spread around the globe and some had no nuclear experience.The Chinese developed their own Chinese supply chain.
  • For all the effort at standardization, Westinghouse was still issuing drawings as construction was underway. Some construction activities were on hold until the drawings could be issued.
  • Whether through ineptness or deceit, Westinghouse’s scheduling estimates were always optimistic. This was revealed when the customers were allowed to finally audit Westinghouse when the projects were reorganizing when Westinghouse declared bankruptcy.
  • A major problem was getting a qualified construction workforce. The US no longer emphasizes careers such as pipefitting, electricians, carpenters, ironworkers etc. We scoured the country for such workers from as far away as Alaska and still had trouble as we were competing with the Georgia project. Many of these workers were in their 50s or older and were susceptible to injuries and other health problems. The younger workers had trouble passing the drug/alcohol screening and just didn’t want to put up with the requirements of a nuclear construction project.

Unless the Small Modular Reactor concepts prove their technical and economic merits (The NuScale effort is farthest along towards a prototype), there will be no new nuclear power construction in the US for decades unless it is a turnkey project probably of foreign design and certainly with a largely foreign labor supply. No US utility would consider a large nuclear construction project without complete financial backing of the US government.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  lanceman
January 14, 2023 11:43 am

Lanceman, as someone who went through the trials and tribulations of the 1980’s in learning how to do nuclear construction projects on cost and on schedule, I would add these points to the ones you have already discussed:

When the cost and schedule feasibility planning was being done in the mid-2000’s for new reactor projects, it was recognized that all of the hard lessons from the 1970’s and 1980’s had to be applied to these new projects, and that their cost and schedule estimates had to include the hard work of passing through the nuclear learning curve for a second time. 

The learning curve for new-build nuclear construction applies just as much to the professional staffs as it does to the component manufacturers and to the in-field construction workforce.

The details of the problems and issues being experienced in the 1970’s and 1980’s are further outlined in my WUWT comment from September, 2021:

“A History of Nuclear Construction’s Cost & Schedule Overruns in the 1970’s and 80’s”

The following topical areas and issues are covered in my history of that period:

— Lack of nuclear project management skills
— Lack of a properly trained and experienced construction workforce
— Mismatch of written plans versus field implementation
— Complex, first of a kind projects
— Strength of the industrial base
— A changing technical environment
— Lack of design maturity at the start of construction
— A changing regulatory environment
— Project management effectiveness
— Issues with matrix management systems
— Overconfidence based on past project success
— Reliance on contractor expertise
— Management control systems
— Cost & schedule control systems
— Issues with Quality Assurance
— Construction productivity & progress
— Project financing and completion schedule
— Lack of regulatory oversight effectiveness
— Lack of early NRC presence at construction sites
— Lack of NRC boldness and risk taking
— Working relationships with regulators

These are not yesterday’s issues. Most of the issues listed here are the same ones which caused the VC Summer project, the Vogtle 3 & 4 project, and the MOX project to blow their original cost and schedule estimates so badly — with the result that VC Summer and MOX were cancelled outright; that Vogtle 3 & 4’s original contractor team was fired and completely replaced; and that Vogtle 3 & 4 went from 2012’s estimate of $12 billion dollars US to its current estimate of roughly $28 billion dollars US.

The first sign of serious problems at VC Summer and at Vogtle 3 & 4 happened early on in 2011 when contractor teams were chosen which did not have the depth of nuclear experience, nor the necessary staff, needed to do a proper job of end-to-end nuclear project management.

As you have noted, problems with the quality and availability of the nuclear construction workforce and the nuclear industrial base were also a serious issue when construction at those projects began, as was the lack of design maturity for the plants. It must be said, however, that the fact these problems existed was well known before construction started. The work needed to address these problems should have been included in the project cost & schedule estimates.

In other words, the cost and schedule scope-of-work at the task management level didn’t properly recognize the realities of the true situation. I’m told by acquaintances who were working at Vogtle and at MOX that significant pieces of work scope were missing altogether from the project control databases.

Things went downhill from there. Just as happened in the 1980’s, many if not most of the problems being experienced at those two projects were avoidable if sound management practices had been followed.

Vogtle 3 & 4 survived and is now on track for completion in 2023 even if its capital cost has more than doubled from the original $12 billion estimate. The project’s original nominal capital cost was targeted at roughly $5,000 per Kwe, but it is now roughly $13,000 per Kwe. 

I hear through the grapevine that the best another AP1000 project could do would be roughly $9,000 per Kwe nominal capital cost. In comparison, NuScale’s SMR design is targeted at $5,000 per Kwe for the first six-module 462 Mwe plant, and at $3,500 per Kwe or even less for subsequent plants.

I don’t work for NuScale but I pay close attention to what they are doing. The NuScale project team of Fluor, UAMPS, and Energy Northwest is taking a thoroughly professional approach to managing their eastern Idaho project, currently slated for operation in 2029. It remains my prediction that NuScale’s SMR design will be the first to reach commercial operation in the United States.    

I’ve made some further comments about NuScale and the viability of the oncoming SMR’s over on a Christopher Monckton article posted a few days ago. These are contained in four or five of my comment postings which all appear within a comment thread originally started by Willis Eschenbach here:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/11/the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-renewable-energy/#comment-3665199

What kinds of obstacles could prevent that first SMR plant from being built?

Opposition from anti-nuclear activists isn’t the most important obstacle to new-build nuclear in the US. Keeping nuclear’s capital costs under control is the most difficult challenge the nuclear construction industry now faces. The target for most SMR projects is to keep capital cost to $5,000 per kw or lower. IMHO, the high rate of inflation which is affecting all component suppliers in the industrial supply chain is now the greatest threat to the successful deployment of SMR technology in this country. 

Nuclear projects are different from wind & solar projects because the people who make the energy policy decisions and the energy system procurement decisions don’t particularly care what wind & solar costs. Wind & solar subsidies will flow regardless. However, they do care what nuclear power costs. If the nominal capital cost for a new-build SMR plant rises too much above $5,000 per kw, then here in the US, we will be seeing the postponement or outright cancellation of many if not all of the SMR projects now in the pipeline.

Time will tell what happens.

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Drake
Reply to  Beta Blocker
January 15, 2023 5:57 pm

I think a BIG plus for NuScale is that they are building in a federal protected facility and that the extremist activists will have harder time obstructing the construction than they would on private property.

If they can get the first group built and establish the assembly line production of reactor vessels, they MAY be able to accelerate their output to the point where they can produce at an inflation adjusted cost equivalent to what you mentioned.

One can hope.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  lanceman
January 14, 2023 12:23 pm

Mr. Lanceman, here is yet another of my commentaries about the future of nuclear power in the US, one which deals specifically with VC Summer and Vogtle 3 & 4:

Root Causes of the Massive Cost Overruns at VC Summer and at Vogtle 3 & 4

Advocates of the large AP1000 size 1,100 MWe reactors are saying now that Vogtle 3 & 4 is on track for completion and operation in 2023, consideration should be given to building another AP1000 project.

IMHO, this will be a very hard sell given that, as I hear it through the grapevine, the best another similarly size Ap1000 project could do would be in the realm of $9,000 per Kwe nominal, as opposed to the NuScale SMR’s targeted $5,000 per Kwe nominal.

lanceman
Reply to  Beta Blocker
January 15, 2023 7:25 am

You’ve made excellent points. Note that the problems with nuclear construction in the late 1970s- early 1980s happened during a period if high inflation AND a couple dozen projects underway. By contrast, Summer/Vogtle ran off the rails during a period of moderate inflation while only building 4 reactors.

The former CEO of SCANA (which was bought out by Dominion) as well as a few Westinghouse employees were criminally charged.

NuScale has to show that the emergency planning zone is small enough to significantly expand potential siting locations and they don’t need a cast of thousands to operate and maintain the plants.

Drake
Reply to  lanceman
January 15, 2023 6:12 pm

As to the reactors themselves, it can’t take that many.

As to the generators, cooling system, etc. it should be about the same as a coal plant.

No one is needed to unload and move the coal and clean and move the cinders and maintain the burners, etc. so a nuclear plant should take a LOT less people and FOSSIL FUEL BURNING EQUIPMENT overall.

BUT no one can guess how much redundant personnel will be required by regulators. Hell, Homer could probably run a reactor by himself.

AndyHce
Reply to  lanceman
January 15, 2023 5:01 pm

Problems may abound but this does not address the proposed new regulations I asked about.

Walter Sobchak
January 13, 2023 8:32 pm

OK he is right 50% of the time.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
January 13, 2023 8:48 pm

It’s important to know which times.

MarkW
January 13, 2023 8:40 pm

I’d love to know what Bill puts on his own table. Fake or real.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2023 8:49 pm

Other people put things on his table. He doesn’t consider himself a peasant.

Dick Meyers
January 13, 2023 8:42 pm

Welp, Gates is half right.

For a change.

Alan
January 13, 2023 9:02 pm

I tried Burger King’s Impossible veggie burger. Tasted ok, but humans need meat in our diets. What would happen to the human race after several generations of eating fake meat?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Alan
January 13, 2023 9:43 pm

If meat is repugnant to you, why do you eat something that tastes like meat?
Generic ‘you’. Not aimed at you.

Last edited 16 days ago by Alexy Scherbakoff
Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
January 14, 2023 12:05 pm

Yes, it’s like the Seinfeld episode about lesbians, once they switch teams they should give up use of the tools the male side of the Hetero equation provides.

A while back I posted a thing comparing ingredients for Ms Vickie’s salted chips, potatoes oil salt = unhealthy
But supposedly beyond meat is healthy, Uber processed food garbage.

People are silly

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Alan
January 13, 2023 11:07 pm

Our species evolved eating meat. We are born with a basic physical need to do this kind of thing. And so I make it a point to have a Double Whopper with fries every other week from a Burger King that’s just a mile from my house. I think it keeps me in spiritual touch with my neanderthal ancestors. As an alternative to meat once in awhile, black bean veggie burgers from Costco are pretty good too. Especially when loaded with pepper jack cheese.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Beta Blocker
January 13, 2023 11:38 pm

A man that eats a Double Whopper and a black bean veggie burger in a week is following the old concept of a varied diet.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 14, 2023 10:33 am

It makes perfect sense to me. What the Double Whopper’s meat doesn’t give me nutritionally, the black bean veggie burger with large slices of pepper jack cheese does.

The fries are the common thread between the two burger consumption modes of operation (BCMOPs), but with this small difference. The Burger King fries are deep fried, but the veggie burger’s side dish fries come from my freezer and are oven-baked.

The oil content of both kinds of fries eaten over time averages out to an acceptable level of health risk. At least it does so in my mind, anyway. A balanced diet, in other words.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Beta Blocker
January 14, 2023 3:53 am

for the same outlay as the burger with more nutrition why not buy mince and make your own ?

Beta Blocker
Reply to  ozspeaksup
January 14, 2023 10:38 am

Once you have had a Burger King double whopper, you are addicted to them for life. Unless you find yourself marooned on a tropical island, nothing can break that addiction except time spent in a fast food addiction rehabilitation center.

DonM
Reply to  Beta Blocker
January 16, 2023 10:37 am

I wasn’t addicted to them, but what really keeps me away from Burger King (whoppers, vegan mush, fries, or anything else that they sell) was their PR campaigns.

cow farts & burps are no laughing matter. they release methane, contributing to climate change. that’s why we’re working to change our cows’ diet….”

I try not to give money to people or entities that want to hurt me (directly or indirectly).

John Hultquist
January 13, 2023 10:00 pm

“. . . alternative meat products will “eventually” be “very good.”

We have had fish and chicken sticks (parts) for many years.
I suspect alternatives of various sorts will eventually approach similar quality.

I’ve read that as a young person Bill was a very good “Basic” programmer.
The quality of his thinking has since deteriorated. He is now useless and dangerous.

HB
January 13, 2023 10:31 pm

One needs to look at the amino acid profile in fake meat then the real truth will come out we need all 11 essential amino acids or we get sick

Phillip Bratby
January 13, 2023 10:51 pm

Nuclear power, yes; fake meat, no.

Richard Greene
January 13, 2023 11:22 pm

The last fake meat package I studied**** that showed the primary ingredients were water and peas, plus a boatload of chemicals that included a lot of fat. I would never feed one of those fake burgers to my dog. And if I did, my dog would probably bite me.

**** Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, …

… And those turkey burgers leave a lot to be desired too.

My Dad ate bacon, eggs, meat and potatoes, never exercised, and lived on his own, healthy until age 98. So those vegetarians can go to %$#@%.

Bill Gates is also a dork and has man-boobs. Not that I am interested in man-boobs — and not that there’s anything wrong with that — but I just happened to notice.

Last edited 16 days ago by Richard Greene
bnice2000
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 14, 2023 1:17 am

Are you sure they are man-boobs?

With his agendas, they are more likely to be non-man boobs !

Drake
Reply to  bnice2000
January 15, 2023 6:18 pm

We must ask them what they identify as.

John in NZ
January 13, 2023 11:40 pm

The thing is, if you don’t eat meat, you don’t stop animals from dying, you stop them from living.

The vegetarians don’t understand, if you get rid of cattle farming, the only place you will see cattle is in a zoo.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  John in NZ
January 14, 2023 6:28 am

Not true. Once natural gas and coal are banned and we can no longer make artificial fertilizers we will need even more animals to produce the natural kind.

World fertilizer consumption in 2020 was 212.93 million tonnes. It will take a bunch of cows to produce the equivalent amount of manure.

John in NZ
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
January 14, 2023 10:34 am

Fair enough Alan, but that means you haven’t got rid of cattle farming.

Ben Vorlich
January 13, 2023 11:53 pm

The traditional English Breakfast based on Bacon and Eggs comes from times when people were partially self sufficient. Both chickens and pigs don’t that a lot of feeding but supply protein. Pigs will eat virtually anything and chickens supply most of their own food.
Now meat is bad we make it in a factory and chuck in loads of artificial colours and flavours, and call it progress

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 14, 2023 8:23 am

Animal fat was the source of oil for lamps, with whale oil being much in demand by elites but bacon fat being used by peasants. It’s starting to look like the need for rendered animal tallow is going to have to make up for petroleum….

Right-Handed Shark
January 14, 2023 1:30 am

My reply to a comment in the previous thread applies, Just replace a few words:

“Had you Gates never existed, the exact number of carbon atoms in your his useless body now would still be in the air attached to two oxygen atoms.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/13/german-climate-researcher-schellnhuber-proposes-limiting-amount-of-co2-to-3-tons-a-person-per-year-enabling-private-emissions-trading/#comment-3665658

Redge
January 14, 2023 1:55 am

Hey Billy boy, I have a few questions for you:

According to UK Gov figures we have approx 36 million livestock in the UK. This is just cattle, sheep and pigs, so excludes all other animals bred for consumption by humans and pets etc

What happens when we and our carnivorous pets stop eating meat?

Do we cull all animals or release them into the wild?

Isn’t that a waste of an animal’s life if we cull?

If we release them into the wild, with no natural predators in the UK, how long will it take for UK citizens to be up to our necks in bullshit? (No need to answer this one, we’re already up to our necks in green bullshit)

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Redge
January 14, 2023 3:58 am

pets fed on “grainfree” and mostly also meatfree expensive crud develop heart and gut issues allergies etc
why
that same denatured processed pea protein is the base
cheap and nasty but sold at Massive profits to fools and their poor pets

Ed Zuiderwijk
January 14, 2023 2:25 am

Cows eat grasses. Sheep and goats eat grasses. Pigs eat grains and offal from animals which in their turn eat grasses. Humans eat grains and animals, hence grasses.

All grasses grow from sunlight and CO2 in the air. Hence every carbon atom in your body was a few years ago in the atmosphere as part of a CO2 molecule. Every molecule of methane in a cow fart has a carbon atom that originally, not so long ago was in a CO2 molecule. The methane oxidises in a few days, bodies decompose and the carbon atoms reemerge as CO2, closing the loop.

The ludicrous idea that cows are bad for the climate and that humans need a carbon budget only to breath is based on abject ignorance. Chase those people out of the village covered with tar and feathers.

starzmom
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
January 14, 2023 6:31 am

Tar and feathers are carbon based too, and don’t degrade too fast to CO2.

Drake
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
January 15, 2023 6:29 pm

I LIKE the “carbon” limit. Lets start with everyone with a private airplane and/or more than 2 residences. Why more than 2, because I have 2.

Also require all who have a lot of money pay for their carbon audit.

Also, all trusts and endowments must audit all their board members and employees.

Over the limit, starting with the wealthiest of the world, would be a hanging offence. After their termination all of their assets are to be turned over to those who currently can’t make it to the limit.

That way we can start on the reduction of population so important to these loons.

Ed Zuiderwijk
January 14, 2023 2:29 am

What does the staff in the vegan burger bar ask when you order?

Do you want your B12 with that?

ozspeaksup
January 14, 2023 3:36 am

I am remaining hopeful….that billygates has one of the very common “unexplained coincidences” thats dropping so many others in the last 2 yrs

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  ozspeaksup
January 14, 2023 9:49 am

You think he took his own “vaccine”?

Tom Abbott
January 14, 2023 4:34 am

From the article: “The world will not be able to avoid overshooting the goal established in the 2015 Paris Climate Accord to limit global warming to, ideally, 1.5 degrees Celsius compared to pre-Industrial levels, Bill Gates told Reddit users on Wednesday.”

Gates assumes he knows how much warmth a certain amount of CO2 will add to Earth’s atmosphere. But that’s all it is, an assumption. To date, there is no measureable effect on the Earth’s atmosphere from CO2.

There is no evidence that CO2 is the control knob of Earth’s temperatures. Bill Gates can assume it is all he wants, but that doesn’t make it so.

Our leaders are assuming us right into poverty with their delusional view of CO2.

Shoki
January 14, 2023 9:41 am

Bill should join his pal Jeffrey.

Pat from Kerbob
January 14, 2023 11:53 am

As we are almost at 1.5c rise since the LIA I predict that no one will notice if or when we get to 1.5, a completely meaningless number as we know. Well, it’s politically meaningful.

People who can read understand that most of the 1.3c to date is north of 55 degrees at night and in winter, 4x faster warming there than elsewhere which is why the continental USA shows negligible change.

The northern warming has been 100% positive for humans and animals and plants, no demonstrated ill effects to date.
I look forward to 1.5, 2, and whatever nature brings

slowroll
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
January 14, 2023 12:11 pm

I’d like a little runaway global warming to reduce my heating bill, which is significantly increased by the ass holes worried about warming.

Pat from Kerbob
January 14, 2023 12:07 pm

Gates again proves that being smart about one thing doesn’t mean you are smart about other things.

sturmudgeon
January 14, 2023 1:25 pm

Damn! Fake meat, and now fake vegetables to make “fake vegetable meat”…

Gary Pearse
January 14, 2023 1:34 pm

He’s one of the WEF perps of the looming “Climate-Policy-Caused-Disaster” that could rival the worst Gov’t Policy Disasters of the 20th Century in terms of human casualties. Sri Lanka was the proof-of-concept for what can be achieved.

Gunga Din
January 14, 2023 4:39 pm

Vitamin B12 is important. It comes from animal products. (Maybe also Brewers Yeast?). Foods fortified with B12 got it from animals. https://health.clevelandclinic.org/vitamin-b12/
One of the symptoms/effects of a B12 deficiency is psychological. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22831-vitamin-b12-deficiency
Man is an omnivore.
No amount of green dreaming will change that.

Curious George
Reply to  Gunga Din
January 14, 2023 6:17 pm

They want to redesign the human body, the digestive tract, and provide as many sexes as there are genders.

Kit P
January 14, 2023 7:41 pm

When you violate common sense and sound engineering principles, failure is the result.

Some people get rich doing something and no longer have the common sense to keep their trap shut about other things.

Clowns should not build nuclear power plants. The engineer sharing an office with me once went to a meeting dressed as Bozo stating he wanted the clowns to to feel comfortable.

Bill Gates is not building a nuke plant. How do I know? I looked it up. Got into an argument about it. When you have a construction permit from the NRC, then maybe you could build a nuke.

Bill Gates is a clown.

Economy of scale is an engineering principle that applies to nukes. The US navy operates small nukes on ships. Some of the first commercial reactors were small based on navy design. With experience, there output got larger and larger. My last reactor was 1600 MWe.

Why bother with small reactors?

I used work with clowns at WPPSS. They changed their name to Energy Northwest. I have not been following their progress closely. It is a train wreck that I do not have to watch.

There is a fallacy that nuclear power is failing because we are not building new reactors. The environmental impact of a power plant can be reduce by making the plant last longer.

My fist commercial start up is head for 60 years and doing the work for 80 years.

Andy Pattullo
January 15, 2023 8:40 am

Bill Gates is an expert in marketing and being pornographically rich. He doesn’t know squat about food and energy systems though he may accidentally be on the right track around nuclear. Letting him shape our views and policy in these areas is as catastrophically foolish as letting Greta Thunderpants or some narcissistic actor (e.g. Leo Dicrapio) feed us our opinions.

Trags
January 16, 2023 10:31 am

to quote a song from my past…”you can’t even run your own life, I’ll be damned if you’ll run mine”
Tom

Trags
January 16, 2023 10:41 am

By the way the song I referred to is “Sunshine” by Jonathan Edwards in 1971

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