Note: this is the backstory to what happened yesterday while I was moderating the live interview. We discovered while we were live that the YouTube stream was blocked, now we know why. – Anthony
By Jim Lakely
Originally published January 6, 2023 at Heartland.org
The censors at YouTube justified striking down Heartland’s channel because we supposedly uttered “misinformation” about the 2020 Election. We did not. And that is very suspicious timing.
Every Friday at Noon CT, The Heartland Institute hosts a live program we call Climate Change Roundtable. It’s a timely discussion of the latest news on environment and energy policy that differs from the alarmist perspective that echoes throughout the “mainstream” media. On Friday, January 6, 2023, we were excited to have Dr. Judith Curry as our special guest for the program.
Dr. Curry is of the most well-known and popular climate scientists in America — especially because she holds views that differ from the likes of Michael Mann and other alarmists. Dr. Curry is not a “climate denier,” as Mann calls her. She’s an esteemed scientist who has looked at the data, sees a warming world, but not an impending climate catastrophe that is all the fault of human activity. For that, she is vilified by many, and feared by even more — including, apparently, the folks who decide what to ban and when on YouTube.
Heartland live-streams every show on YouTube, Facebook, and Rumble. But the vast majority of our audience — both those who participate in the chat during the live-stream and those who view it later — watch it on YouTube. Like it or not, it’s the most-popular video streaming app in the world. Freedom-oriented sites like Rumble and BitChute have a very long way to go to catch up.
Anyway, just as we were finishing our show-prep for the episode with Dr. Curry, we got a notice in the back end of our YouTube channel that we had earned a “strike” for spreading “election misinformation” in a previous video.
So, with literally just minutes to go before we were live with Dr. Curry and undoubtedly our biggest live audience yet, YouTube shut down our channel and prevented anyone from watching it there.
The previous “offending” video was an episode of Heartland’s In the Tank podcast, episode 293, which was streamed in early May 2021 — 20 months ago. YouTube did not specify what was said that violated the terms of service and the ban on “election misinformation.” And it also did not notice for nearly two years that a live-stream that almost no one has looked at since May 2021 (and would be nearly impossible to find in a general search on YouTube) was in violation of the terms of service … until just before a live-stream with a non-alarmist climate scientist was about to begin.
It is hard to believe this was just a coincidence — that the algorithm just happened to get around to catching this supposed violation by us — and it’s just our awful luck that it happened mere minutes before we were going live with Dr. Curry.
A better explanation is this: The the name “Judith Curry” was noticed by someone at YouTube — or maybe Michael Mann, who is sensitive to such things, especially regarding Dr. Curry, and he reported the stream to YouTube — and then a human being at YouTube decided that a live-stream from a “climate realist” scientist not be allowed to happen. So, the pretext of Heartland supposedly spreading “election misinformation” was invented, the strike issued, the stream stopped, and high fives all around for a job well done by the the leftist censors at Alphabet/Google/YouTube.
But, as the character of “Mr. Universe” said in the movie Serenity: “You can’t stop the signal, Mal.” And we weren’t stopped, either. You can still view our program with Dr. Curry. We don’t just broadcast live to YouTube, but also simultaneously to Rumble and Facebook. I’ve embedded the Rumble version of the program below. [NOTE: When you click the player below, if it says “blocked by an extension” and/or “loading,” just give it a minute. It might look “broken” for a bit, and then play. If you can’t watch it below at all, watch it on Rumble.]https://rumble.com/embed/v21kw2c/?pub=b414h
Heartland is now banned from uploading any videos or live-streaming from our channel for a week — presumably until Friday, January 13 at around noon CT. We will report back if our appeal is heard and what YouTube says.
Oh, and as for Heartland violating YouTube’s terms of service by spreading “election misinformation” on that long-ago live-stream? Why don’t you watch and judge for yourself. While the YouTube video has been sent to the Great Digital Beyond somewhere, the Rumble version still exists. Don’t worry if you’re pressed for time. You don’t have to watch for very long. We talk about it at the top of the show and then move on to another topic after about 15 minutes.https://rumble.com/embed/ve0gpn/?pub=b414h
We didn’t talk about the results of the 2020 election, nor expressed any skepticism of the results. Why? Because a year earlier we discussed the infamous Time Magazine article titled “The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election.” That story reported, in the most-positive way possible, on how the 2020 election was “fortified” by hundreds of millions of secret dollars by Facebook Founder Mark Zuckerberg and other big Democrat donors. Merely reading on the podcast what Time Magazine reported — essential if you’re going to talk about it — was enough to get a previous video banned, as absurd as that seems.
In this latest supposed “misinformation” live-stream podcast from May 2021 that YouTube just now noticed, we had to explain why Donald Trump was banned permanently from Facebook. Even if questioning the results of the election is an offense worthy of being banned, we did not do that. We talked about whether banning people for expressing views that are not crimes are worthy of having your ability to speak on a social media ended.
To help us battle Big Tech censorship, subscribe to Heartland’s YouTube channel, as well as our Stopping Socialism TV channel where we live-stream our In the Tank podcast every Thursday at noon CT. We are also post regular videos on Rumble, BitChute, and Facebook — so click those links to follow us there. And if you want to make sure to never miss our audio content, subscribe to the Heartland Daily Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
PS: I realize that today is Jan. 6. I know it’s like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor Day times 100 to the unhinged left and their “mainstream” media. So maybe they cranked up the algorithm to flag any and all vids on the platform that they might have missed over the last year or two and make sure those were flagged and removed on this “special” day. But I haven’t seen any other complaints on social media about others getting the treatment Heartland got from YouTube today.
And, again: We did not question the outcome of the 2020 Election on the “offending” podcast. We said that if Trump should be banned for what he says about the 2020 election, then it should be fair game to ban Hillary Clinton for questioning the 2016 Election and Stacey Abrams saying her election for governor of Georgia was stolen. That’s it. We did not violate YouTube’s rule.
Google/youtube has apparently amended their corporate motto to “
Don’tBe evil.” Now they censor accurate, substantive content, while spewing out scam ads & clickbait on behalf of anyone whose money is green.Actually, they dropped that motto/mission statement over a decade ago. Now you see why.
So how are you going to handle this? The quick solution is to complain and have Heartland’s service restored and move on. And if it was just an inopportune misfortune caused by an algorithm, so be it. But I would dig deeper and have YouTube explain the suspicious timing. Take it a step further to punch back harder against the leftist tyrants imposing their worldview. Sue YouTube for breach of contract, demand that they identify why it happened and who was responsible for it, along with all relevant communications, and demand that all responsible are fired. It’s time for leftists to have serious consequences so they can’t hide in anonymity.
YouTube sux rox royale—switch to Rumble and kiss the google communist zealots goodbye forever, they don’t deserve it.
Oh, I see a LOT of fake crap coming from Rumble, too! If you can’t find it anywhere else when searching, then it has to be a big question mark! I don’t report or repost ANYTHING that comes from them!
No matter which username you post under all you do is spew lies.
You apparently paraphrased what you said. May we see/hear the actual words?
It’s pretty obvious the ban was politically motivated. The more interesting question is whether it was initiated by YouTube or initiated by say a climate alarmist.
It might well have been. Youtube has a no **** policy, which might result in certain “political” claims being censored. In the private sector, it’s allowed.
But again, what exactly got said. This was the main claim of the post, but if the offending words are in that post (as they should be), I’m missing them.
Youtube and Twitter, too, before Musk will censor opr block anything that does not support THEIR agenda Even if it’s TRUE, and much of what they block IS, they don’t want to hear it or read it, and they will ‘protect’ our virgin ears! Maybe Musk can workout a deal to buy Facebook/Meta,too?
‘In the private sector, it’s allowed.’
Yes, but what’s not allowed is censorship initiated at the request of government agents. And does the latter prohibition extend to climate scientists funded by the government?
Tell us more about these Big Foot “government agents”, Q.
I think the delineation is between truth and lies/misinformation. They don’t trouble themselves with “funding”. If they did, Heartland Institute?
Apparently, you haven’t been keeping up with the Twitter files. Google, and YouTube, have been specifically mentioned.
Guilty as charged. Maybe the stuff I’m missing is in Elon’s kitchen sink.
Then before you come a’trollin, maybe you should be up to speed on the latest and greatest. An uninformed troll is so boring.
You might want to give that story a good read. One private company deciding to censor views it sees as politically inconvenient is one thing. Coordinating with the government to exercise these bans seems like a violation of the First Amendment. Mass coordination across most of the tech world sounds like a page from China’s playbook.
And you’re falling for it just as easily as the average Chinese person – only they get welded inside their apartments or sent to a prison labor camp if they dare voice any opposition.
Yet another commonly known fact that BugOilBoob admits to being ignorant.
So much arrogance, so little reason.
I don’t know if BugOilBoob is as ignorant of recent history as he tries to appear, or if his desire to distract from the failures of his fellow alarmists justifies embarrassing himself to this degree.
BigOilBoob appears to be another typcial liberal – Big Mouth, No Brain.
“Yes, but what’s not allowed is censorship initiated at the request of government agents.”
Another way for Government to censor the private sector.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-fcc-nominee-gigi-sohn-shared-tweet-calling-trump-raggedy-white-supremacist-president
Nobody said it wasn’t allowed.
What we are pointing out is first the double standard employed by you socialists and secondly how totalitarian socialists become whenever they get even a little bit of power.
Tell me more about this “double standard”. Specifically, what lies do they let these mean ol’ “socialists” get away with?
As for your name calling of me, how many “socialists” spent the first half of their adult lives working private sector oil and gas? Yes, I freely admit to later contracting petroleum engineering in conflict zones for almost 2 decades, in countries with a variety of gubmints. I also earned my first petroleum engineering degree from a “Mines” school using the socialist GI Bill, post Seabees.
But in your book, guilty as charged, right?
Maybe you should find someplace else to troll.
Lots of deflections, but no one pointing to what was actually said in the podcast. It was the whole whine here, and the original content is “In there somewhere”.
Could it be that the interpretation that WAS headlined in the article is not the whole wtory? Nah!!
Maybe read the last paragraph? That might be a clue. Or is that too difficult for your ‘Q’ obsessed brain to manage
I did. It is an interpretation. This should be easy for you and yours. Just give me a time stamp for what was actually said on the rumble podcast. Why are you so afraid to do so?
Afraid? Me? Nah. I never watched the podcast and, quite frankly, I don’t care about the 2020 election any longer. If you are so obsessed with it, then look it up yourself. Or are you too lazy? Is it too difficult for you? Do you have enough brain power to think of more than one thing at a time? Do you stop breathing when you type due to a lack of cognitive capacity?
Here you go:
While the YouTube video has been sent to the Great Digital Beyond somewhere, the Rumble version still exists. Don’t worry if you’re pressed for time. You don’t have to watch for very long. We talk about it at the top of the show and then move on to another topic after about 15 minutes.https://rumble.com/embed/ve0gpn/?pub=b414h
Bob isn’t here to learn anything. He’s here to try and change the subject.
blob here has a really bad TDS infection.
Go listen to it yourself, you lazy SOB!
Poor Bob, he actually believes that sticking his fingers in his ears makes inconvenient facts go away.
“Specifically, what lies do they let these mean ol’ “socialists” get away with?”
Let’s see:
Kids are sexual at birth.
Trans women are women.
Trans men are men.
If you need more, there are plenty. But I’m guessing you’re really not interested in that.
Hi Jeff,
perhaps you can point me to the section in Marx where those views are discussed? None of them are socialist positions and have zero to do with viewing history through the lens of class struggle. Perhaps you need to actually read some socialist economic theory to work out what is and what isn’t socalism.
They are certainly part of Alinskyite rabble rousing to destroy Western Civilization and institute the tyranny of the Left. After all, he dedicated his Rules to Lucifer; that’s all you need to know. Hillary and Obama are acolytes.
They may not be “socialist” positions, but they are positions that almost all socialists take. That’s a pretty pathetic evasion, but par for the course from you socialists.
Isaac the Idiot tosses in his own unique brand of irrelevant noise.
You get SO close… Yes, the followers of Marx view all things through the lens of “class struggle.” Oppressors and oppressed.
Capitalist oppressors – worker oppressed.
White oppressors – people of color oppressed.
Heterosexual oppressors – alphabet soup oppressed.
Jewish oppressors – Aryan oppressed. (Reworked for modern times to Judeo-Christian oppressors – Muslim oppressed.)
Socialists MUST have the oppressor “class” and the oppressed “class” – even when they have to create them from whole cloth. It is the only way in which they can seize power. Of course, no mention that it will then be, forevermore, Socialist oppressor – everyone else oppressed.
The double standards have been well documented. Several have been listed in the article and posts that you once again, haven’t bothered to actually read.
Are you actually stupid enough to believe that working in the private sector means you can’t be a socialist. I’ve heard you say some really dumb things, but this one really takes the cake.
Re: “It’s pretty obvious the ban was politically motivated”, you said
Well one alternative is more conspiratorial in that a political reason was used to effectively take down Judith’s live interview by a climate activist who didn’t want to draw attention to the climate debate itself.
“allowed” != “right”
You have been provided with links in the article to the original content for you to verify and review for yourself. So yes, you may see them.
Like the rest of the alarmists here, his only goal is to be a distraction.
Noise generation, its their stock-in-trade.
So, I have to view the whole podcast to see the actual words spoken in a post dedicated to just those words? No tanks.
Typical deflection from the actual content. You all will pearl clutch about the interpretation no matter what the actual exchange was anyhow….
If you are that lazy, then why would you trust anything written here?
Did you read the article? The relevant section of the historic podcast is at the beginning. You don’t have to listen to the whole thing, unless you need to prove that there wasn’t something salacious in a different part.
You are too precious for your own good.
“The relevant section of the historic podcast is at the beginning.”
Not based in fact. There is an interpretation of what was purportedly said, but no quotes. There is also no time stamp for when the offending exchange was made on the rubmle podcast. Pretty weak for a whine post that centers on it.
But since it’s so accessible to you, then it should be easy for you to either c/p the link to the actual exchange, or if it is in the rumble podcast, provide a time stamp.
You really need to bone up on logical fallacies if you’re going to troll successfully. Here’s a primer.
List of fallacies – Wikipedia
I realize it’s Wikipedia and therefore, not authoritative. But it’ll give you a place to start as you research how to be a better troll
Again, why would anyone expect you to trust any transcription written by anyone here? You don’t trust the paraphrasing, you wouldn’t trust anything alleging to be literal.
Go to the source. Stop looking for excuses to not find the truth.
“Go to the source. Stop looking for excuses to not find the truth.”
Which is what I’m trying to do. All I want is a time stamp on the rumble podcast. The whole point of the article was to whine about Yahoo censorship,. But they made it so hard to find what was actually said that no one here can provide a path directly to it.
Move on “…after about 15 minutes”? I do **** during the day, unlike most posters here…
Bob,
Stop being obtuse. Several commenters in this thread have pointed out that the “offending” part of the previous live-stream is at the beginning of the podcast. The whole discussion takes no more than 15 minutes. If you want to hear it for yourself, it’s there for you.
ALSO: I’m told the video was not embedded in this post because Rumble vids look weird on this site and screw things up a bit. But Anthony provided the link. If you want to read a version of this article with the videos embedded, you can go to the link below.
https://heartland.org/opinion/youtube-pulls-down-heartland-institutes-channel-just-before-live-stream-with-climate-scientist-judith-curry/
Jim Lakely
VP, The Heartland Institute
“I do **** during the day, unlike most posters here…”
YOU have spent more time complaining about a time stamp than you would have spent watching the video twice.
The stuff you do during the day (clean (the ones you can reach) your toenails; pick at your teeth; watch CNN; think about cleaning the litter box; etc.) can wait.
While the YouTube video has been sent to the Great Digital Beyond somewhere, the Rumble version still exists. Don’t worry if you’re pressed for time. You don’t have to watch for very long. We talk about it at the top of the show and then move on to another topic after about 15 minutes. https://rumble.com/embed/ve0gpn/?pub=b414h
One day you’ll read the article properly.
“One day you’ll read the article properly.”
No he won’t.
My impression is that the censors have not revealed what they are censoring. Thus any interpretation of the particulars is just a guess.
Were you born a cretin with limited written word comprehension skills, or have you cultivated this condition?
c’mon bobby,
people have to read your babble and waste time to see if you actually have a point … then when painted into a corner it turns out that you claim some completely different point.
… and you don’t want to put any effort into this?
Yes you may. Follow the links they provided.
Well, howdy scarecrow repair.
Did you miss this bit or are you prattling on about something else?
No need to, we all know what a lie spewing liar you are, boob.
Why do people still use Fascist ^%@tube?
As in many tech thing, it’s convenient. Easy to use. (“I’ll just Google it.” or “I’ll it up on Wikipedia.”)
Once it has dominated a mainstream market, the talons come out.
It’s also happened to established groups (The Girl Scouts, The Boy Scouts, etc.) where the leadership has been infiltrated and subverted the group from the top down from its original intentions.
As to the Boy Scouts, many years ago they were sued for refusing to let male homosexuals be involved in scouting. They were sued in federal court for discrimination and the national leaders either lost, or consented to allow homosexuals to be “leaders” in direct contact with the boys.
After years of allowing what was forced on this religious based organization, they have been sued for sexual abuse of boys by leaders, surprise, surprise.
The homosexual pedophiles lawyers made out well.
Funny how with the Catholic Church, from the beginning, the abuse of children was always just called pedophilia, and NEVER called homosexual pedophilia, which it was.
BTW: When my daughter was young I coached Bobby Sox softball for years. They had rules that would NEVER allow a man to be alone with any girl. We could not even practice if the an adult female was not on the field. One game, a 8 yo girl was hit by a line drive and I ran out to check on her, and one of the women yelled at me not to touch her until a woman got there. Yep, in the infield in the middle of a game with parents in the stands.
Second BTW: That woman, who had the position with the Bobby Sox league as a “Players Agent” and was responsible to look out for the girls, lived with another woman in a “relationship” and SHE was allowed to be alone with girls. Grooming anyone? And this was over 25 years ago.
I get what you’re saying. Glad my son became an Eagle Scout before all that. And that my daughter never went beyond Brownies, The Girl Scouts leadership was first taken over by the Radical Feminist. It took awhile for that to trickle down to the local level.
There are a great many videos that are in no way political. They can provide useful information of just about any non-political difficulty one is having, providing that difficulty involves some functioning of the real world.
At this stage … is anyone really surprised to find a compliant media is prepared to act against opposition to ‘the narrative’?
Settled = bought and paid for.
Not as long as we still have “narrative compliance checkers”.
I commented to YouTube immediately after the broadcast ended, criticizing their action.
Maybe it is time for Elon Musk to buy YouTube and begin releasing the “YouTube Files”.
Does the World have enough bandwidth?
BTW All these things (YouTube, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Internet Providers, etc.) depend on a system that gives them internet “access”.
Who controls that?
How many heads would explode if Trump bought YouTube and Google!!!
(Fun to imagine.)
Probably not enough.
“To help us battle Big Tech censorship, subscribe to Heartland’s YouTube channel…”
This does not seem like a sensible solution.
I don’t see how that helps, either. Unsubscribing would be a better option.
Rumble works, use it instead.
A question.
Does “Rumble” have a TV thing?
I’m only asking because YouBoob is built into my ‘Smart” TVs. If there was an option…?
Rumble has lots of live broadcasts, and none of the youtube annoying autoplay trying to force you to watch what Goober thinks you need to watch.
Most likely your ‘Smart’ TV has an option to use WiFi, or maybe even a cable connection, to access the internet, thus Rumble and everything else on-line is an option.
Yes, his smart TV should have a web browser. Mine does, and it’s several years old.
They do though I never messed with the internet connection till recently.
It’s a pain to use the TV remotes to put in an address!
I did some experimenting and found I could plug a USB hub into the lone USB port and found I could plug in a corded mouse and keyboard. Next step is to test a hub with my PC’s wireless keyboard and mouse. If that works, buy a couple of cheap ones for both TVs. (I want to use a hub so I can still plug in a flashdrive without needing to undo all the connections.
I asked about Rumble and TV stuff to see if old TV shows and movies were offered.
Doesn’t look like it but maybe after they grow more …
Ewwwwwtube is pro-consensus, which is what normally triggers claims of misinformation, yet, Eeeeeetube amplifies consensus making it more difficult for new real science to ever be known.
Not sure how banning a livestream that hasn’t occurred yet because of a two year old post accomplishes anything of value for Youtube.
The Feds probably told them the broadcast was Russian disinformation.
Or, maybe Anthony is right, and Mr. Mann lodged a complaint. Twitter took requests for censorship from private persons. Youtube could do the same.
I think it is a good bet that all these leftwing social media platforms have been corrupted by the federal government DeepState/Swamp. Everyone of them is exercising some form of censorship. And they only censor the Right, never the Left.
Our public communications systems have been totally corrupted by those who wish to shut the rest of us up.
Any port in a storm.
which is to say, any excuse that is handy — or even a tremendous stretch.
Next time advertise it as “Drag Queen Climate Crisis Hour” and they will add extra channels as repeaters.
Or a George Santos spot the truth competition. That would be popular.
Simon would enjoy a “how to transition children” channel !
Actually spent most of my life transitioning children… into adults.
Or the Joe Biden Count The Lies competition. He’s got Trump beat by a longshot, in only half the time.
“Or the Joe Biden Count The Lies competition.”
Complete and utter nonsense. Biden is not perfect but in a lying competition Trump takes the gold every time. I’d say the most dishonest president in history. Either you can’t count or you can’t read.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
Mind you this guy Santos is a Republican gem. “I’m Jew-ish” my favourite.
“Complete and utter nonsense. Biden is not perfect but in a lying competition Trump takes the gold every time. I’d say the most dishonest president in history. Either you can’t count or you can’t read.”
You are delusional, Simon. It’s called “Trump Derangement Syndrom”. People develop this problem after listening to too much leftwing propagada.
Biden claiming to have driven a truck, is not a lie in Simon’s view, because Biden once sat in a truck. That’s close enough.
Well come on Mark where is the list of Biden lies? Oh and while you are at it a reference would be good to how coal is clean?
Biden’s lies and exaggerations about his life are ‘shameless’ | Guy Benson Show
Biden lies 8…. Trump lies 30573. Getting close….
“Well come on Mark where is the list of Biden lies?”
Are you kidding, Simon? Just about everything that comes out of the Trafficker-in-Chief, Joe Biden’s mouth is a lie.
Simon, how about in the next “Open Thread” you list the five most agregious lies you think Trump has told, and our side will list a few real lies that Biden has told.
Deal?
That’s a deal I can’t resist….
So come on Tom… are the media making up all the charges Trump faces at the moment? The answer is no, they are real. I would suggest you are the one who only reads one side of the story. The undeniable fact is he is staring sown the barrel at the moment with numerous real charges. Here is the list
https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-investigations-civil-criminal.html
It seems Trump supporters go to get out of jail, is do as he asks and not believe the media, except the right wing stuff. When presented with facts say the story is made up. I have an idea Tom, why don’t you read both sides and then decide using real facts who is lying? That is exactly what I will be doing as the republicans try to nail Biden over the Hunter story. Read ALL the evidence then decide.
You are ate up with the leftwing propaganda, Simon.
Did you notice that the radical Democrat House of Representatives withdrew their request of the “Justice” Department to prosecute Trump for anything to do with Jan. 6?
Have you noticed that after all the fire and fury from the Left over Trump, that Trump has not been convicted of anything, in fact, he has been exxonerated in two impeachments and one special prosecutor examination?
The Left hasn’t laid a legal glove on Trump. And here you are thinking he is going down. It looks like a denial of reality. Keep hoping.
” Democrat House of Representatives withdrew their request of the “Justice” Department to prosecute Trump for anything to do with Jan. 6?”
Can’t say I did. As far as I know they are pressing on with prosecution as they should given his behaviour. Have you got a link? This is an up to date article with no mention of dropping anything.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/01/05/jan-6-insurrection-2-years-later-how-many-arrested-convicted-and-what-price-donald-trump-may-still-pay/?sh=74fd0a14513e
“Have you noticed that after all the fire and fury from the Left over Trump, that Trump has not been convicted of anything, in fact, he has been exxonerated in two impeachments.”
No he wasn’t. The impeachments stand. In fact he is the only president in history to be impeached twice.
“The Left hasn’t laid a legal glove on Trump. And here you are thinking he is going down. It looks like a denial of reality. Keep hoping. and one special prosecutor examination?”
No exoneration there either.
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people. And Mueller did not exonerate Trump. If you read the report he had many misgivings about Trumps behaviour, but fell short of prosecution. The report was not kind to Trump though as he would have you believe. That was another of his lies.
“The Left hasn’t laid a legal glove on Trump
And here you are thinking he is going down. It looks like a denial of reality. Keep hoping.”
These things take time in the US, but things are ramping up now. I see a judge has just said Trump must stand trial for tax fraud in NY. That one very interesting given his company was recently found guilty. And also the documents he stole that he kept at his beach house that has the guy Smith looking into.
Oh and the election fraud thing in Georgia where he tried to steal the election by getting Rafensburger to make up 110000 votes. That one is on tape so hard to see how he will get off that. So much happening at the moment.
“That is exactly what I will be doing as the republicans try to nail Biden over the Hunter story. Read ALL the evidence then decide.”
When he says he doesn’t know anything, and he never talked to Hunter about his business & and there is a photo of him with 2 of Hunter’s business partners & and one of the guys in the photo say Biden is lying …
… you will find some other evidence and then decide?
I’ll look at all the evidence….
nyt ?? Your argument disappears.
And another thing Tom, are you not concerned with the noises Trump is making about standing as an independent? If he were a man who believed in the republican party do you think he would be making these noises? The truth is he has a long history of swopping to the party and groups that suit him best, so I am picking if De Santos starts to look like he will get the nod ahead of him, he will take his avid supporters and stand alone splitting the vote. If that happens it will be a disaster for the right, but he wont care. If you don’t believe me here is a list of positions Trump has taken in the past then swopped at his convenience…….
Pro abortion, now pro life… fan of Hillary Clinton now not a fan… fan of universal health care, now not a fan… fan of the Democratic party, now not a fan… not a fan of the electoral college, now a fan…..
I have direct quotes for all this, but you get the picture. The man runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds. The next few months are going to be so interesting…..
As do I.
Don’t ALL discerning, rational voters and taxpayers make these assessments and take these actions at every opportunity?
That is, at every election.
So, a question for you, Simon:
(Attributed to John Maynard Keynes)
“When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
My favourite quote. I live by it. But there is a big difference between changing your mind and being an opportunist which is what Trump is.
But isn’t changing our minds fundamentally being opportunists to improve our lot?
Why else would we change our minds?
To make things worse for ourselves?
(Unless of course you’re someone who is already locked into an ideological position such that fear of others’ criticism of your change of position holds you captive to the groupthink “right set of opinions”).
“But isn’t changing our minds fundamentally being opportunists to improve our lot? Why else would we change our minds?”
I change my mind because the facts lead me there. And I am want to know the truth. Only believing what you want to believe is a Trumpist philosophy.
Simon, you’re floundering now on this one mate.
Got any more insane rants for today, TDS-boi?
The fact that you think my listing facts is insane shows the level of honesty you operate at.
You are just listing radical Leftwing talking points, Simon. You believe them and Trump supporters do not. We don’t believe them because we know they are lies meant to demonize Trump.
“And another thing Tom, are you not concerned with the noises Trump is making about standing as an independent? If he were a man who believed in the republican party do you think he would be making these noises?”
I think Trump was instrumental in getting McCarthy elected as Speaker of the House of Representatives. That doesn’t sound like Trump is eager to leave the Republican Party.
Btw, Trump leads all the polls of potential Republican presidential candidates. You are thinking he wants to throw all that away?
It really is fascinating how socialists only see what the party tells them to see.
You need to find a mirror fast.
Yes, he drank the kool-aide and he’s drowning in it now.
Washington Post?? Riiight. They tell as many lies as the NYT.
Simon the Zealot also likes to quote NPR.
Haha better than Faux news… but it seems even they are turning on Trump.
That will be the WP that brought down Nixon. Yep that one.
Only 50 YEARS ago now, you really think the Wash Compost is the same organization now as back then?
Certainly a whole lot better than most right wing rags. Sure it has a left wing bias, but the journalists are high quality. A bit like Al Jazeera which has some wonderful journalists. But Fox has some good ones too you just have to be smart enough to see through the rubbish. My philosophy is if you want to get a genuine picture of the world you need to watch and read both sides.
Your leftwing bias is obvious, Simon. Except to you.
Nixon brought himself down.
A really stupid move. When I heard what Nixon had done, I said to myself, he has to go. That revelation, that Nixon was personally involved, came about during the congressional hearings on the subject.
I wonder what future congressional hearings will find about the Trafficer-in-Chief, Joe Biden’s involvement in illegal activities? I have no doubt they are much worse than anything Richard Nixon did. So the Trafficer-in-Chief has to go, too.
Blumenthal … ‘Vietnam veteran’
And the sheep of Connecticut ignored the HUGE lie and have kept him in office for 25 years
Now you’re talkin!
Twitter is opening their archives and “conspiracy theories” are proving true and “misinformation” is being outed as censorship. I don’t see Musk revealing anything about AGW because he’s either a believer or protecting his EV business but I expect legislation coming down to protect free speech/opinions and control political bias. There’s already FCC regulations to that effect but they’re either weak or being ignored.
Orwell imagined Winston Smith being employed by Minitrue, an organ of the state. Perhaps more of a nightmare when it is a virtual private monopoly instead.
I’m not surprised. There’s huge volumes of money involved. When the CO2 scam collapses many will be ruined.
You can’t expect leftists to follow the same rules they demand for others.
This action, as explained by AW, tells me we skeptics are slowly winning and the Mann’s of the world know it. And the advent of Alt channels like Rumble and Truth Social mean they know they cannot stop our information from flowing. CNN is down to a quarter of its former viewership, NYT is losing money, WaPo is shrinking…
The alarmist prognostications are now so wrong for so long that the alarmists have no escape route from their long list of failures.
Rud,
I will know we are winning when we discover more and more parents are teaching what the schools have failed to teach namely the 4 Rs: Reading, wRiting, aRithmetic and Reasoning. With a good foundation children will grow up equipped to question and counter all the political and ideological garbage being fed them by schools, the mainstream media, movies and most of the internet.
Just found out the local public school system here is closing 17 schools because parents are pulling their children out—they’ve had it.
Voting with their feet.
As much as I support and appreciate the work of the Heartland Institute, the Organization needs a new media strategy. I am now sure everyone agrees that youtube is not your friend. Humans are creatures of habit and youtube became the “go to” site for posting video. That needs to change, Rumble needs to elevated as you primary source for streaming media with Twitter as a source for short “highlight” clips. The next statement is, “but youtube is where all are viewers are?” That can be changed by encouraging the alternate, send an email to all of your members that EXCLUSIVE or EXTENDED content will only be available on Rumble, embed in the video a “frame” that says now available on Rumble, mention to viewers and members that Rumble allows monetization of your content, so a view on Rumble will act as a “donation” to the Institute. I could go on with more strategies, but you can see that it is possible to be in control of your media destiny.
Only for political content. Since so much of YouTube is not political content, the majority are likely to continue going there.
David,
We simultaneously live-stream both our Thursday In the Tank podcast and the Friday Climate Change Roundtable shows on YouTube, Rumble, and Facebook (as well as Twitter, for that matter). And we also upload the completed shows to BitChute, another free-speech-oriented site. When we send out pre-show emails, we provide links to the Rumble version as well as YT and FB feeds — and 95% of the people choose to view it on YouTube. So if we went only to Rumble and “canceled YouTube,” our live audience would be almost nil. A general rule of thumb is you have to meet your audience where they are, and (for better or worse) they are on YouTube.
Until Rumble improves its platform and allows better promotion of content (for instance, it’s impossible to pay for ads to promote your content and add subscribers on Rumble; you can do that on YouTube), we will continue to use all outlets available to us to get our content in front of as many eyeballs as possible. We have tens of thousands of subscribers to our YT channel. We have a couple hundred subscribers to our Rumble channel — and we’ve been regularly providing content on that Rumble channel for two years.
Jim Lakely
VP, The Heartland Institute
Just a general comment. Never, ever, ever give the other side ammunition by mixing politics with climate. Let them do that on their own.
For sometime now media entities have created freedom of speech censorship and information rejection demeaning policies to exclude any comments that expose or contradict climate science or renewable energy false and erroneous positions claimed by energy and science incompetent Democrat politicians, business leaders, educators and “scientists” by demanding that only their views be heard. Democrat politicians are solely responsible for this effort to destroy freedom of speech in our country as a precursor to full fledged implementation of socialism. Democrat politicians have succeeded in moving our country toward achieving their goals of a “1984” society.
and the lesson learned here is……?
You would think that those on the left who claim they are open-minded, curious, intelligent beings would give this story a fair hearing.
Maybe somewhere deep inside, they might start to question whether the bubble they live in, carefully inflated by the tech community in California, might be feeding them a safe, politically slanted, view of the world.
Unfortunately… no. Anyone who dares question the church of zucKerberg, Gates and Bezos must be a heretic. You will not read about this censorship in The New York Times. You will not hear about it on NPR. And you will not see it mentioned on CNN. So sayeth their lord, so sayeth the flock.
I would like to offer yet a second ‘high level’ perspective on this censorship.
I came late to the climate wars, and by accident, discovering an NRCA lie to Congress while researching a first book ultimately titled Gaia’s Limits, So my first post here on that was in 2011. Been on the front lines many times since.
So my second perspective is not that censorship means we are winning, but rather that it means they can never win. Censorship ultimately fails on the internet, and truth always prevails in the end. The climate truth includes:
None of those truths have prevented the mis-spending of trillions of dollars, the destruction of the various power grids and energy sectors, the takeover and corruption of all major institutions, etc ad nauseum.
We are not winning by any stretch of the imagination.
We’ll decide what’s fact based and respectful about THE VOICE-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/important-to-have-a-respectful-and-fact-based-debate-on-the-voice/ar-AA165hgt
Which is of course a disgusting slur upon the 11 worthy democratic indigenous voices in our Federal Parliament now and their like in future. The irony being Parliament is only place where you do have complete freedom of speech free from any defamatory lawyering and the unelected censors.
With the current majority in the House, I hope such misbehaviors will be investigated.
It’s time to stop appealing. These people need to get sued for damages and violations of free speech guarantied by the Constitution. Their tax advantages as “public service” information providers should be declared null and void.
This is pure fascism.
Once again as in 1941 from a powerful western nation there is an explosion of a viscous and dangerous totalitarian contagion.
And once again the world can only look to Russia and the courageous sacrifice of her sons and daughters to rid the earth of this baleful revenant fascist plague.
In 2022 the principle fascist threat to world safety and freedom comes from the English speaking world. Yes – that’s us!
You want fascists to rid the world of fascism?
If you’re taking flak, you’re over the target.
just my opinion
ditch youtube n farcebook
elon seems to be cleaning twitter out fairly well so promos there linking to rumble etc might be more useful than zucks sheep pen of dross and inanity
i wont follow any fkbk links or have anything to do with that mucky site
Towards end of video reference is made to upcoming Mann trial in January. I can’t find any other reference to this anywhere. More info please.
Personal foul for targeting
Just another sensible reason to avoid YT, or anything Google related – take back your life and it’s privacy
Since this is Soviet/CCP level censorship I would assume there is a connection also to our Alphabet bureaucrats in DC. Does the FBI have a climate disinfo division now?
The Twitter Files revealed there was an FBI agent in the San Fran field office named Elvis Chan whose main job was apparently interfacing between three-letter agency censorship demands and Twitter. The ban orders got so voluminous that Twitter gave up even bothering to investigate those to be banned.
Before they all got shown the door by Musk, Twitter had scores of ex-FBI, -CIA, -DOJ, (i.e. the “IC” Intelligence Community) on staff.
As the bans including anything that goes against the Let’s Go Brandon! regime’s official party stands, I’m quite sure the IC also banned people for anti-climate change postings.
This is just my private attitude, but I cannot understand why people rely so much on channels of communication that they know are hostile to them. I do not know anything about facebook or youtube methods of controlling communication because I am not a participant in the process. It seems like self-flagellation to depend on a group like these to spread your findings when you know that they are working to hide or reduce the impact of your efforts.If you claim you have no alternatives, have a think about procedures that were used before “social media” became bigger. If you had a lovely, worthwhile scientific advance, you published it in a scientific journal. You did not try to float it to an audience of social chatterers who did not know or care about its meaning.
Geoff S
Well you did expose the truth about Twitter Elon and you know how it is with leftys-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/elon-musk-wants-to-move-trial-away-from-san-francisco-over-local-negativity/ar-AA166G07
AW: If you haven’t figured out YT’s treachery by now I have little sympathy. There are plenty of other media platforms such as Rumble and Locals.
YouTube is one of those places that claims to support diverse points of view, but only if it’s something they like.
“If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don’t like.” – Noam Chomsky
If you haven’t heard about it, SCOTUS will be hearing its first Section 230 case shortly: Gonzalez v Google. It doesn’t bear directly on this issue but as I understand there are more lined up, including challenges to TX and (?? can’t remember state) laws about viewpoint censoring, which have already been decided with opposing verdicts at the Circuit level.
Michael Mann, the fraud and data manipulator, objects? Political science is rampant and is the basis for corrupted conclusions. Think Dr. Science and the virus.