Jane Fonda sitting on a North Vietnamese Anti-Aircraft Gun during her infamous visit to Hanoi. Fair use, Link

Hanoi Jane: “If there was no racism, there’d be no climate crisis”

Essay by Eric Worrall

Jane Fonda still bashing America and promoting bizarre social justice theories on the world stage.

Jane Fonda: climate change and the UN’s ‘racial sacrifice zones’

Actress Jane Fonda is trending on social media for the hilarious anti-science belief that racism and misogyny are causing climate change.

Today’s trend was sparked by a video on MSNBC in which Jane Fonda said:

‘If there was no racism, there’d be no climate crisis. If there was no misogyny, there’d be no climate crisis. It’s part of a mindset.’

We shouldn’t be surprised.

These are not original scripts penned by Fonda, they are lines recited from the United Nations who have put out headlines like: The global climate crisis is a racial justice crisis: UN expert in which the article says:

There can be no meaningful solution to the global climate and ecological crisis without addressing systemic racism, and particularly the historic and contemporary racial legacies of colonialism and slavery, a UN human rights expert warned.

Which is obvious nonsense. Where’s the justice for victims of third-world perpetrated slavery and human rights violations going back before the dawn of the West? Where’s the global justice for Asian, African, and South American nations which rank as the world’s worst climate polluters? Their actions aren’t a result of ‘colonialism’ – they were made by governments in full control of their actions looking for a moral escape for their ‘climate crimes’ that doesn’t involve personal responsibility.

Read more: https://spectator.com.au/2022/12/jane-fonda-climate-change-and-the-uns-racial-sacrifice-zones/

I don’t know why Fonda still lives in America, given all the evil she sees around her. And that new house she bought last August in Los Angeles likely consumes enough electricity to power a small town, in my opinion not exactly a statement of climate piety.

The reality of course is fossil fuel is Africa’s only hope for liberating themselves from generational poverty – a policy they are pursuing as hard and fast as they can manage.

All the “social justice” in the world won’t help you, if there isn’t enough to eat, and you can’t afford medical treatment for yourself, your kids and your relatives.

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Editor
December 8, 2022 2:01 am

Jane Fonda still bashing America and promoting bizarre social justice theories on the world stage.

No surprise there.

Regards,
Bob

Scissor
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
December 8, 2022 4:20 am

Some say the mind is the first thing to go. Hers went about 60 years ago, unfortunately.

pillageidiot
Reply to  Scissor
December 8, 2022 5:33 am

Objection!

Assumes facts not in evidence.

ATheoK
Reply to  Scissor
December 8, 2022 5:45 am

Jane Fonda was never the brightest turnip in any carrot patch. Her climate pronouncements are as bad as her idiotic communist and antiwar rhetoric back in the 1960s.
Not even her performance, or lack thereof, in Barbarella brought any entertainment.

Now, the “Feed Jane Fonda to the Whales” T-shirts were entertaining, especially for the appreciative comments, ‘Right on’s and hand clasps as one walked down the street. Quite a few folks asked where I got the shirt and how much did it cost.

Bill Powers
Reply to  ATheoK
December 8, 2022 12:22 pm

Great T-shirt but in reality they would likely (favorite phrasing of the Climate Alarmists) spit her back as a pot headed bitter tasting weed with a long lasting undesirable aftertaste that never seems to die.

Mary Jones
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
December 8, 2022 8:46 am

‘If there was no racism, there’d be no climate crisis. If there was no misogyny, there’d be no climate crisis. It’s part of a mindset.’

Bob, I happen to think that the climate crisis people (most of whom are rich white liberals in rich countries who never have to go a day without as much food as they want) ARE incredibly racist and misogynistic. Their policies prove that. So Hanoi Jane is right on target. She just isn’t aware enough to recognize what the target actually is.

DonM
Reply to  Mary Jones
December 8, 2022 9:02 am

I think that Jane’s therapist (or likely psychologist … she can afford it and they can give her the good drugs) has allowed her to get ALMOST of the way through the fog of rationalization.

She is almost there. But I don’t think she will ever get there.

She would have to accept the previous 60 years of her own wrong thinking before she can understand why she turns to racism/misogyny every time she needs reconcile her emotional misunderstandings of ‘her’ society.

MarkW
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
December 8, 2022 1:32 pm

When all you have is a hammer …

Douglas
December 8, 2022 2:09 am

“They have taken a kernel of truth ( that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere mildly) and buried it in “ a mountain of nonsense”.- Lord Lawson.
This is some of the nonsense.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Douglas
December 8, 2022 2:36 am

Some of your men have taken seeds of truth
And planted fields of hate.
Runrig

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Douglas
December 8, 2022 3:39 am

No the kernel of truth is that adding more of one or two minor greenhouse games would warm the atmosphere mildly IF “all other things” are HELD EQUAL.

And since “all other things” have never been, are not, and will never be “held equal,” there is nothing more to their “kernel of truth” than “hypothetical bullshit.”

barryjo
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
December 8, 2022 7:40 am

I love it when people talk technical.

MarkW
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
December 8, 2022 1:38 pm

Greenhouse gasses warm the planet. The question is by how much.
If all things are held equal, the amount of warming for a doubling of CO2 is something under 1C.
Negative feedbacks can reduce this warming, but they can’t eliminate it.

That the environment is dominated by strong negative feedbacks is amply demonstrated by both science and history.
The positive feedbacks postulated by the global warming crowd have all been disproven, but are still kept in the models.

Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2022 10:01 pm

MarkW
“Greenhouse gasses (spelling wrong) warm the planet”
A coat of paint hides the colour of the wall. Two coats hide it better. Three coats and no more coats of good paint are needed.
The big point with our atmosphere today is that more CO2 causes trivial more warming. Enough coats of it have been applied.
It is one easy explanation for this observation over Australia
Geoff S
http://www.geoffstuff.com/uahdec2022.jpg

Steve Case
December 8, 2022 2:13 am

“The reality of course is fossil fuel is Africa’s only hope for liberating themselves from generational poverty…”
__________________________________

Climate Cult Policy:

 Black Lives Matter
 Except for Africans

pillageidiot
Reply to  Steve Case
December 8, 2022 5:41 am

If the Africans were able to build coal-fired power plants – with 1920’s levels of emission controls – up all of the great rivers in Africa, their poverty and food insecurity would would be greatly reduced.

Even belching SO2, NOx, and mercury, the life expectancy of the population would go way up, the child mortality rate would go way down, and the quality of life would go up.

The global Leftists somehow think their preservation of death and privation in the 3rd world makes them moral exemplars.

Reply to  pillageidiot
December 8, 2022 10:03 pm

pillage,
It is also relevant that at year 1900, all countries had the choice to embrace an emerging technology loosely named the “steam age”.
Why should those who adopted it now be asked to give huge $$$ amounts to those who did not?
Geoff S

HB
December 8, 2022 2:24 am

Hanoi Jane is nuts enough said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZV2II8wjDg

Stephen Wilde
December 8, 2022 2:24 am

The people of the so called West are now outnumbered by those of a different culture but who resent us even though and perhaps because they owe everything they have to our successes over the past 500 years.
We need to stand up for ourselves in the face of attempts to denigrate all that we have achieved.
Every well off person in every other culture owes his or her position to our successes and if we owe anything to their poorer citizens then they owe just as much and perhaps more because they carry the primary responsibility for those citizens still being poorer. They have had plenty of time since the end of colonialism and the vast benefit of the systems, resources created by us and infrastructures that we freely handed over to their leaders.
What we really see now is privileged elites in poorer nations holding their people down whilst they piggy back on our past achievements and seek to blame us when their people are not content.
We created the greatest, wealthiest, most free and potentially most sustainable civilisation that the world has ever seen but it is being destroyed by those corrupt foreign elites supported by guilt laden ignoramuses in high positions within our own nations.
Sadly, all the international organisations have been captured by those corrupt and privileged foreign elites and we should now withdraw both our presence and our funding.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eric Worrall
December 8, 2022 2:28 pm

“Most people are decent the world over.”

I think that is true.

Moriarty
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 8, 2022 5:33 am

Stephen, our enemy is within.

Ozonebust
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 8, 2022 10:45 am

Stephen
If we are so wealthy, why does virtually every country have to print money and distribute it to keep the so called economy alive, and why is the national debt of every country so large.

If we are so successful, why do an elite group own most of the worlds assets, and why are the numbers in middle classes reducing and the poor increasing. Why do people have to choose between food and heat.

If we are so free, why are most “western” countries now run by global central authorities such as the UN, WEF and WHO and big pharma etc, through our elected puppets like the USA, Canada, NZ, Australia, France etc etc etc. Wait until the the WHO launch their global digital vaccination passport, you will have to inject everything they mandate into your body just to travl internationally.

The west has created a societal infrastructure that it can not afford.

The west has profited by exploiting third world countries, and still does.

What a legacy we have created

Lets celebrate with a great song.

Ben Vorlich
December 8, 2022 2:33 am

When talking of slavery people forget/ignore Arab Slave Traders and the Barbary Pirates (apart from the US Marines and the Shores of Tripoli).

European slaves were acquired by Barbary Pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy, to The Netherlands, Ireland and the southwest of Britain and as far north Iceland and into the Eastern Mediterranean,
Captives who converted to Islam were generally freed, since enslavement of Muslims was prohibited; but this meant that they could never return to their native countries.
Wikipedia

There was a thriving slave trade dating back several thousand years on the East Coast of Africa, across the Sahara and all of North Africa controlled by Arabs and the Ottoman Empire and the Religion of Peace.

All ignored and never taught

strativarius
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 8, 2022 3:33 am

They also give the Ashanti empire (modern day Ghana) a free pass.

Never mind the cages full of captured fellow Africans on the beaches for sale to Europeans, and forget the British wars against the Ashanti. The Ashanti continued to practice slavery when the British were determined to destroy the slave trade particularly along the west Africa coast.

Result? The British are supposedly worse than the Spanish etc and the Ashanti have been forgotten….

michel
Reply to  strativarius
December 8, 2022 4:09 am

Yes. Without the enthusiastic participation of local rulers the slavers could never have got the slaves to transport. There was a whole economic system devoted to aggressive warfare with slaving as its object.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 8, 2022 3:42 am

The Barbary Corsairs were abducting and enslaving people from Cornwall and Devon among other places well into the 19th Century.

michel
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 8, 2022 4:05 am

Two other things are forgotten. Britain did participate heavily in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. But it finally came to its moral senses and abolished the trade in the Empire in 1807, and slavery itself in 1833. It also got all the European countries to agree to having the British Navy intercept their ships if caught transporting slaves, and it stationed the West Africa Squadron off the coast of West Africa to intercept slavers and return the slaves. The expense of the squadron, both in money and lives, was considerable.

Meanwhile, the trans Saharan slave trade continued, on a much larger scale and much longer time than the trans-Atlantic one. A good short account here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Saharan_slave_trade

The trans-Saharan trade had very high death rates. Partly because the passage itself was dangerous, and partly because of the high rates of genital mutilation of males, which had very high death rates.

The Wikpedia piece linked to above quotes an estimate of 7.2 million slaves transported, from about 600 to 1900. The trade was thriving in the 19c.

Of course, as you remark, the slaves for the trans-Atlantic trade were provided to the traders by local rulers. A full scholarly account of the perpetrators, faciltators and bystanders has yet to appear. It needs writing.

The Europeans and the Americans certainly have their share of guilt over slavery. But the West, and especially the British, deserve credit for their attempts to remedy and abolish the evil. Something you never read about in the mainstream liberal press. When was the last reference you came across in the mainstream media to the West Africa Squadron?

Thought not…

strativarius
Reply to  michel
December 8, 2022 4:13 am

I doubt (modern indoctrination etc) that they’ve even heard of it.

pillageidiot
Reply to  strativarius
December 8, 2022 5:44 am

Heard of it?

Those are the pages they are ripping out of the old history books.

The “approved narrative” is the only acceptable version of “history”.

abolition man
Reply to  michel
December 8, 2022 9:59 am

Good overview, michel!
When Prince Henry the Navigator’s ships reached the Slave Coast of Africa in the early 15th Century there had already been a thriving slave trade for more than 500 years! The number you quote for the trans-Saharan trade is one of the lower estimates that I have seen; that may be due to the incredibly high fatality rate from crossing the desert combined with the practice of castrating all the men and boys by removing their external genitalia with a knife or piece of glass! As many as half of all the captives taken east to Islamic nations died en route! Early European explorers commented on the vast number of human bones and skeletons along the routes taken by the slavers, but the remains have largely vanished by now!
It is deeply frustrating to see radical Marxists like Fonda decrying racism while the politicians they support ignore the child- and sex-trafficking that occurs at our wide open southern border! I have also heard that the ouster of Gaddafi allowed the return of open slave markets again to North Africa! I guess Marxists can’t find anything to differentiate their policies from outright slavery, so they give it a pass!

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MarkW
Reply to  michel
December 8, 2022 1:44 pm

Modern education likes to forget that slavery has existed since the dawn of time.
Up until about 300 years ago, it was considered normal in all corners of the world.
Socialists liked to pretend that slavery sprang suddenly appeared when the US founded and never existed anywhere outside it.

Bob Meyer
Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2022 5:37 pm

Slavery was so normal that it was hardly ever questioned. The first culture to question slavery was ancient Greece and it was also the first culture that experienced a need to justify slavery.

The first person to oppose slavery on moral terms was likely Euripides, the ancient Greek playwright who, in the fifth century BC, said that slavery was nothing more than the forced submission of one man to another.

Possibly due to Euripides influence a century later Aristotle wrote a defense of slavery saying that there was a natural hierarchy of men and the bottom of the hierarchy was incompetent to do anything but serve their betters.

Oddly, Aristotle ended his defense saying that some people believe that slavery was only the forced submission of one man to the will of another but that he, Aristotle, was not of that opinion. It was unusual for Aristotle to put his opponent’s arguments after his argument, he usually preferred to give his opponent’s argument first.

Perhaps there was more to this than it seemed because upon his death, Aristotle freed his slaves.

Martin Brumby
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 8, 2022 12:02 pm

Quite right Ben.

And (in addition to present day slavery in many counties – always ignored by the likes of Fonda), let us remember the slave routes from East Africa, where the black Africans were rounded up, mainly by Arabs, and marched as slaves to the Ottoman Empire. That went on for far longer than the famous trans-Atlantic trade, which Britain eventually stamped out at a cost of at least 2,000 British lives and much treasure.

Are the Turks always being condemned and asked for ‘reparations’ by very distant ancestors, who generally have done far better than the tribes now living in West Africa.

No.

Because the Ottomans carefully castrated all their slaves. So no ancestors.

Funny how these things work out.

rah
December 8, 2022 2:36 am

I imagine that a volume of urine equivalent to that of Lake Erie has showered effigies of that Biatch. Even as late as the 90s Hanoi Jane urinal targets abounded at Ft. Sam Houston.

Really the only news about it I desire to see will be in the obituaries.

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kelleydr
Reply to  rah
December 8, 2022 8:26 am

I, too, have enjoyed targeting the Hanoi Jane urinal screens at the occasional truckstop throughout the country. I dream of the replication of the Brussels Manneken Pis at the head of her tombstone.

Joe Gordon
December 8, 2022 2:40 am

It’s a shame that someone with connections, precious little talent, obviously mentally disabled, still gets loads loads of attention because of a soft-porn flick made more than 50 years ago.

It never occurs to these virtue-signalling people of privilege that they’re the ones spewing hate solely because of race and gender and other minor surface differences.

Editor
Reply to  Joe Gordon
December 8, 2022 3:11 am

Jane inherited her politics from her father Henry.

Regards,
Bob

Ron Long
Reply to  Joe Gordon
December 8, 2022 4:17 am

Joe, I remember standing in a line in Dothan, Alabama (next to Ft. Rucker) waiting to go in and see “Barbarella”, and the Southern Babtist ladies warning us that we would go to hell if we went inside. I will say that Jane had two good points in her favor, however when she became Hanoi Jane it ended everything. She was saved from trial for Treason by her father. Now she is just plain nuts.

Editor
Reply to  Ron Long
December 8, 2022 6:08 am

Ron Long says, “I will say that Jane had two good points in her favor…”

Thanks, Ron, that made me smile, and recall the stills from the movie that were published in that magazine. [pause to search online.] Yup, they’re still available online.

Regards,
Bob

jcdntexas
Reply to  Joe Gordon
December 8, 2022 6:39 am

Gotta admit . . . the concept of an ‘orgasmatron’ was pretty good 😉

strativarius
December 8, 2022 3:08 am

It got her noticed, in print etc

Age hasn’t made her any wiser

ewinb
December 8, 2022 3:43 am

If there was no hive-mind scientism socialist ideology, there’d be no climate crisis.

Duker
Reply to  ewinb
December 8, 2022 6:03 pm

Hive mind ?
The Jan 6th attack on the Capitol was such a hive mind , instigated by the Queen bee in the Whitehouse

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
December 8, 2022 7:14 pm

To bad all the evidence goes against your fantasy.

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2022 8:07 pm

Read his lips

1) ‘“Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”

2)‘We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen’
3)‘We are going to the Capitol’
by WE he meant ‘YOU’ to the protestors.

And the Hive moved as one to the Capitol

As an aside I found Hitler was asked by a US journalist in the 1930s ‘how come your party has socialist in its name yet your policies are completely opposed to the actual socialist and bolshevik parties’.

his reply might surprise you, but your fantasy would still continue regardless of any contrary evidence

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
December 9, 2022 10:57 am

None of the quotes support your fantasy. What is it about socialist haters and their complete inability to do formal logic?
BTW, are you still claiming to have voted for Trump twice?

Doesn’t matter what Hitler said, what matters is what he did.
What he implemented was socialism.

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Tom Halla
December 8, 2022 3:58 am

No, in a proper socialist state like the People’s Republic of China, there is no environmental problem as anyone who brings up such issues goes to a reeducation camp.

JoeF
December 8, 2022 5:12 am

No, you missed the point. Jane’s use of “was” in those sentences (instead of “were”) means that racism and misogyny are done and over, they are in the past! What a happy soul she is to let us know, and so cleverly!

Moriarty
December 8, 2022 5:31 am

I keep telling everyone this climate crisis bullshpit has nothing to do with carbon, GHG, emissions or even the climate. This is more proof.

ozspeaksup
December 8, 2022 5:33 am

shes gotta be on Morts “to do list” surely?

ATheoK
December 8, 2022 5:36 am

Actress Jane Fonda is trending on social media for the hilarious anti-science belief that racism and misogyny are causing climate change.”

“You can’t fix stupid” combined with senility makes her someone without any possible reason for us to care about what she thinks or believes.

Instead, Ms. Fonda exemplifies a classic image of ignorant inexperienced super-woke elite celebrities, Hollywood nobodies and absurdly rich antisocial geeks. Listening to them is a complete waste of time and effort.

R Taylor
December 8, 2022 5:53 am

Let us remember that US POWs were tortured until they would appear as props in Jane Fonda’s tourist pictures in Hanoi.

jcdntexas
Reply to  R Taylor
December 8, 2022 6:40 am

Nothing can defend her methods. Nothing.

Gary Pearse
December 8, 2022 6:14 am

Nobody will be counting “Climate-Policy-Caused excess deaths” in Africa and Asia, already baked in for years to come by rampant global inflation in prices of everything we eat wear and use, the shuttering of industries from which people get their paychecks and the colossal destruction of life-supporting energy systems.

The perps of crimes against humanity in Davos, NGOs, dishonest scientist enablers, universities and every Western head of state will go unpunished. They own the means to bring accountability. I hoped WUWT, CPAC, Heartland… would be taking on the job of tallying the human disaster in the making, naming names ….Calamity Jane is blaming non existent Climate Change and the perps will, too!

jcdntexas
December 8, 2022 6:34 am

As former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara confirmed in the documentary ‘Fog of War,’ the second attack in the Tonkin Gulf never actually took place. The very same attack upon which the entire Vietnam escalation was justified by LBJ. So, millions of Vietnamese civilians and military personnel North and South, and 58,220 American service personnel lost their lives on the basis of lies from the highest level of this government.

The Pentagon Papers showed without a doubt we Americans had been lied-to about US involvement in Vietnam by every president since Truman.

So, without attempting to defend Fonda’s indefensible behavior of consorting with enemy, she and others protesting the Vietnam escalation — myself included — were fundamentally correct about the deceit used to engage us is what can only be described as a massive buffet for war profiteering. From where I sit, Vietnam was simply the ‘practice run’ for the unjustified, undeclared wars and military conflicts to follow.

Nothing can justify Fonda’s methods of protesting the Vietnam conflict. Nothing. I firmly believe the men and women that served there did so with honorable intent, but nothing can protect the military from a government that is beholden to a corporate oligarchy immune from caring about using a soldier’s blood as the currency for their own enrichment.

Mark Whitney
Reply to  jcdntexas
December 8, 2022 7:30 am

I agree. It is curious how the then-anti-establishment crowd has morphed into the current authoritarian racket in such a seamless way. Perhaps they never were sincere but instead followed, and are following, fashion.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  jcdntexas
December 8, 2022 2:47 pm

Well, there’s lots of controversy over who did what to whom and when, with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. I don’t think you have any special insight.

As for your claim that “The Pentagon Papers showed without a doubt we Americans had been lied-to about US involvement in Vietnam by every president since Truman” is without foundation. It’s leftwing, anti-war propaganda.

You need an understanding of what the Pentagon Papers were. They were analysis of many things about the Vietnam war, done over many years, by many different people, with many different opinions. Reports that were ripe for distortion by the anti-war Left and that’s exactly what they did, distort the reports in hopes that their lies would undermine the Vietnam war effort and future war efforts.

You could detail some of the lies you think were told to the American people about the Vietnam war in the next open thread, if you want, and we can discuss it.

DonM
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 8, 2022 3:59 pm

… who did what to whom and when….

The French fckd it up; the French educated Vietnamese elite continued run the region(s) into the ground; Ho Chi Minh, inspired by French communists, took advantage of the chaos & division, USA got stuck with a shitpile when France gave up.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DonM
December 9, 2022 4:33 am

The U.S. was in Vietnam for a reason: To stop communist expansion in the world.

It’s the same reason we were in South Korea.

The difference is we left American troops in South Korea after the war was over and South Korea is free today because of it.

Unfotunately, with South Vietnam, leftwing, anti-war appeasers, such as Joe Biden, were in charge and they did not leave American troops in South Vietnam and as a result South Vietnam is no more, and millions of South Vietnamese were killed or displaced from their homes as a result.

But the war did stop communist expansion in the region. The communists were planning on taking over the entire region including India. And they probably would have if not for the intervention of the United States and its allies. Who would have stopped them?

jcdntexas
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 16, 2022 6:02 am

I do agree that the alleged purpose of escalating American involvement in Indochina was to stop the spread of Communism, especially after the fall of China to Mao and the North Koreans invading the South.

I would suggest the US abandoned Vietnam because the conflict was not winnable by any American standard against a determined and experienced enemy that refused to engage the US military in any conventional fashion. To say the Viet Minh and Viet Cong understood western military tactics better than western military strategists understood determined guerilla warfare is a gross understatement and is evidence over and over by US forces having to take the same ground repeatedly.

As for the spread of Communism throughout Southeast Asia, the primary difficulties contained within that scenario are the various, strong cultural animosities between these countries. The Vietnamese want nothing to do with the Chinese, for example. To imagine these two cultures want anything to do with each other simply because they’re Communist is a pretty shallow way of looking at geopolitical reality.

That said, US foreign policy since WWII has generally involved a very shallow cultural understanding of the world at-large and contributed significantly to our numerous foreign policy failures.

jcdntexas
Reply to  DonM
December 16, 2022 6:23 am

Keep in mind, the Indochinese had been fighting the French invaders since the mid 1800s. Ho Chi Minh was simply another in a long line of nationalists wanting the repel the French from their country; so, the concept of Indochinese self-determination did not start with Ho Chi Minh and, as a result of Allied support for Ho’s Viet Minh against the Japanese in WWII, Ho was able to create a significant armed force after WWII. You might say the West created its own monster in this regard.

jcdntexas
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 16, 2022 5:47 am

“Well, there’s lots of controversy over who did what to whom and when, with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. I don’t think you have any special insight.”

Respectfully, I was not presenting my insight, per se, but that of former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, one of the primary decison-makers of the Vietnam escalation. And the question of whether such an attack actually occurred has been an issue from day one when reporters of the day such as Walter Cronkite, Morley Safer, et al, could never confirm the attack from the sailors aboard the USS Turner Joy.

You might also be interested in a piece from the US Naval Institute titled, ‘The Truth About Tonkin.’ The UNSI is hardly a bastion of left wing sympathy and this piece was written with the asisstance of declassified documents about the attack.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/february/truth-about-tonkin

“As for your claim that “The Pentagon Papers showed without a doubt we Americans had been lied-to about US involvement in Vietnam by every president since Truman” is without foundation. It’s leftwing, anti-war propaganda.”

Again, and respectfully, I would encourage you to actually read the documents contained in the Pentagon Papers now that they were declassified in 2011 under Executive Order 13526. I have provided a link to the National Archives.

Over the years, I have managed to read about 3,000 of the 7,000 pages contained in this study. Keep in mind, this study was produced by Rand Corporation and commissioned by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. A large component of the documents in this study were top secret reports, memoranda, and other top secret documents that evidenced key Southeast Asia decision-making from every administration from Truman to LBJ.

These documents were and are not ripe for distortion on any level. They speak very loudly for themselves and reveal a systematic methodology to obscure US involvement in Southeast Asia — particularly Indochina — from the American public by multiple administrations.

While I do agree these decisions were made in light of China falling to Mao and North Koreans attacking the South, the expansion of Communism is a much different subject than lying to the American public about it.

I was 18 when the Pentagon Papers were released. The entire public outrage of the day was, in fact, the deceit revealed in these documents respective of lying about American involvement.

In my opinion, every American should read these documents because only then does one really grasp the magnitude of deceit of government, a deceit which continues to this day.

https://www.archives.gov/research/pentagon-papers

Energywise
December 8, 2022 6:47 am

Like many creations of Hollywood, she lives in a SM fantasy world, devoid of science, fact or reason, just chasing likes from fellow vacuous cult followers

Duane
December 8, 2022 6:50 am

This is just another admission that climatism is just one aspect of communism.

ResourceGuy
December 8, 2022 7:16 am

Send in the Useful Idiots of Hollywood…again.

Mark Whitney
December 8, 2022 7:17 am

There is no climate crisis, so by progressive logic does that mean there is no racism or misogyny? That is part of the mindset! > ; }

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antigtiff
December 8, 2022 7:53 am

Stop the Hate – move to Hanoi….Jane.

rpercifield
December 8, 2022 8:32 am

This is a clear case of projection. It is racist to require that people living within the continent of Africa be energy starved and live in miserable conditions caused by the environmental zealots. The racism is not from the realists, but from the control freaks. India and China get it, and are building coal out power plants despite the global warming fraud. Unfortunately, Africa is still dependent upon the international community and the climate control freaks control those institutions. If we had a real education system and media, this would be exposed, unfortunately we don’t.

So we have to primary explanations for this quote from Hanoi Jane. 1. She is too stupid to realize what she is saying, or 2. She is willing to let Africans die for lack of energy. I mostly use the adage that never attribute to malice what can best be explained with stupidity. However in her case that may be the exception.

MarkW
Reply to  rpercifield
December 8, 2022 1:51 pm

I’ve always been fascinated by the mindset of most socialists. First they declare that racism is evil. Then they declare that minorities are incapable of taking care of themselves, and most be cared for, cradle to grave, by a government run by white socialists.

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2022 6:06 pm

China is run by lenist party state socialists with a welfare system.

In Europe it was Bismarck , no socialist , who introduced the first welfare system that we would recognise

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
December 8, 2022 7:20 pm

Where did you get the idea that Bismark was no socialist?

Mr Ed
December 8, 2022 8:47 am

Should have run this piece yesterday and tied it in with the 81st anniversary of
Pearl Harbor. Not that it would have made any better sense. Just hearing
the name Fonda brings back memories of the way I and my fellow’s were treated during
our time in the military during that time. There were no—- “Thank You for your Service”—-
remarks, it was quite the opposite

. The anti war protesters would line up on the Oakland Bay bridge and
hang banners with “baby killers” and such over the side when the ships were
deploying to/from WesPac then they would dump buckets of filth on the crew members
on sea and anchor detail while local LEO officers would idly stand by and watch. The
buckets were filled with raw human sewage and slaughter house blood and guts. I
never personally experienced that but I know several mates who did. In the early
days of the internet there were many who described those events and others
that Google stuffed down the memory hole.

IMO the climate change/greens types came directly from the anti war protesters of that era.

Andy Pattullo
December 8, 2022 8:49 am

If there were no Hanoi Jane and others like her the collective IQ of the West would rise 20 points.

antigtiff
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
December 8, 2022 4:20 pm

I will defend Hanoi Jane – she knows more about climate than Al Gore….or Mikey Mann.

MarkW
Reply to  antigtiff
December 8, 2022 7:22 pm

Twice nothing is still nothing.

Leo Smith
December 8, 2022 8:49 am

If there were no renewable energy, there would be no energy crisis

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cognog2
December 8, 2022 9:24 am

Why does she get time on the airwaves? Some idiot is giving it to her and we have to put up with it. Indeed there is no justice in the world.

milwaukeebob
December 8, 2022 9:25 am

Who lifted the rock?

slowroll
December 8, 2022 10:10 am

And we really need to take advise from a washed-up commie searching for relevance who made her living playing make-believe ?

Redge
December 8, 2022 10:33 am

There can be no meaningful solution to the global climate and ecological crisis without addressing systemic racism, and particularly the historic and contemporary racial legacies of colonialism and slavery, a UN human rights expert warned.

And I thought the culprit was CO2.

Great! It’s racism and misogyny.

Can we stop demonising fossil fuels now, please?

Bruce Cobb
December 8, 2022 12:29 pm

If there were no dingbats there’d be no “climate crisis”.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 8, 2022 3:01 pm

Isn’t that the truth! 🙂

MarkW
December 8, 2022 1:31 pm

Socialists have been blaming their every failure on racism, sexism, classism, whateverism, since the first socialist crawled out of the academic sewer.

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2022 6:09 pm

So you dont drive on roads that arent community owned or interstate freeways that arent owned by Federal government and maintained under an everyone pays but not tolls ( except for existing tolled roads added as part of the system

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
December 8, 2022 7:24 pm

I never said that there was no place for government action.
Are you actually claiming that since governments are capable of building roads, therefore government should provide free healthcare to everyone?

Mac
December 8, 2022 1:52 pm

I had a patient in the 80’s who was a personal trainer for Hanoi Jane. It was during her Tom Hayden days. He of course was a radical and probably influenced her to some extent although she was already very progressive as people term themselves now. He had some stories about arriving in the morning and Tom answering the door already deep in the sauce. And with Jane yelling at him. I assumed she was another deeply unhappy liberal (which many of them seem to be).

Tom Abbott
December 8, 2022 2:25 pm

Jane Fonda, on the wrong side of history again.

n.n
December 8, 2022 4:35 pm

She’s right. Diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment, class-based bigotry) breeds adversity. Diversity, Inequity, Exclusion [DIE] (e.g. racism, sexism, ageism) doctrine is a first-order forcing of [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate (the general atmosphere or situation somewhere) change.

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Pat from Kerbob
December 9, 2022 11:52 am

IF CO2 is actually going to destroy the planet (no i don’t think that), then i want Jane to live long enough to grasp that her irrational demonization of nuclear power removed the only true option to reduce those emissions.

Id like her to go to her grave know she is largely responsible for the end of the earth.

Fitting

richardnz00
December 10, 2022 5:33 pm

Jane Fonda on Climate Change: “Just get rid of us Homo sapiens ASAP and things will restore themselves.”
Does she include herself as a Homo sapien? In which case would she like to lead by example?

Actually, since Homo Sapien means a “Wise human”, I would not classify her as a Homo sapien. Not the sapien bit anyway. A rhesus monkey would be considerably more sapien than her.

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