Tasmanian Climate Crisis: Early Tomato Planting and Some Dead Seaweed

Essay by Eric Worrall

Tasmanian academic Edward Doddridge has presented his proof the climate end times are upon us – earlier crop planting times, and some dead seaweed.

What planting tomatoes shows us about climate change

Published: November 22, 2022 6.04am AEDT
Edward Doddridge

Research Associate in Physical Oceanography, University of Tasmania

There’s a piece of gardening lore in my hometown which has been passed down for generations: never plant your tomatoes before Show Day, which, in Tasmania, is the fourth Saturday in October. If you’re foolhardy enough to plant them earlier, your tomato seedlings will suffer during the cold nights and won’t grow.

But does this kind of seasonal wisdom still work as the climate warps? We often talk about climate change in large-scale ways – how much the global average surface temperature will increase. 

Changes everywhere

Climate change really does mean change – both large scale and small. From extreme weather to ecosystems changing all the way through to the time when you can plant tomatoes. 

For gardeners, this means accepted wisdom no longer holds. In Tasmania, you can now safely plant tomatoes 18 days earlier than you could in the 1900s. That’s because minimum temperatures in October are now about 1℃ warmer than they were in 1910.

Hotter water has also killed off almost all Tasmania’s giant kelp, and made it possible for warm-water fish to migrate south. 

Read more: https://theconversation.com/what-planting-tomatoes-shows-us-about-climate-change-193830

Frankly the climate crisis was more interesting before this big reveal. It’s like sitting through two hours of horror show buildup, only to find the monster behind the closed door is a well behaved poodle. “You must spend trillions on this crisis, or our abundance of early tomato crops will continue!”.

Stay tuned for more Doddridge reveals of why we must mortgage our children’s future combatting the climate crisis.

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November 22, 2022 10:13 am

What a gyp!

Eddie doesn’t tell us which varieties of tomatoes we can plant earlier.

I mean, as a tomato-growing fanatic, I know that the last thing I want to be doing is planting all my varieties at the same time (been there before – cherry tomatoes out the wazoo, but what I really want is some big red juicy beefhearts).

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Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 10:23 am

50 miles west of Chicago, still can’t plant tomato transplants before Memorial day to be safe.
I have an old book, Man and Climate published in 1942 by the USDA, the map shows the same date.

Reply to  a_scientist
November 22, 2022 11:42 am

I’ve had access to a greenhouse the past few years and get in a bunch of seedlings, starting in March. Like Mr., I don’t do everything at once in order to work around the risks from cold, snow and hail. I give away many extra plants.

Anyway, last year I put in a bunch of heirlooms and I discovered for myself that several native American varieties are the best tasting, e.g. Cherokee Purple. The plants aren’t the most productive but gosh darn are they good tasting.


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Reply to  Scissor
November 22, 2022 2:27 pm

I give away many extra plants.”

I never say no to good tomato seedlings… With seedling being a very wide definition.

Tomatoes have the wonderful property root from any part of the stem. Seedlings too tall? Cut off the top and put it in water and it will sprout roots, then plant the bottom half as it will grow new leads.

Cherokee Purple?

It does make me wonder when tomatoes were first introduced to Tasmania.

Reply to  Scissor
November 23, 2022 3:29 am

Seems to me the heirloom tomatoes have a stronger, even better taste, tho the plants eventually get the blight.

Reply to  a_scientist
November 22, 2022 1:29 pm

1941 was a peak temp year in the US, so similar to now. Would be interested to see what the guide would have said in the late 70s, might have said an even later date.

Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 10:30 am

Still waiting for rising nighttime air temperatures to dry out the fog bank which keeps the tomatoes wet at night and promotes mold and mildew. It’s been 40 years now it’s not happening.

Bryan A
Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 10:31 am

Beef has become Passe
You need to grow GrubHearts instead

Reply to  Bryan A
November 22, 2022 11:09 am

Well that’s what you get if you don’t spray with a proper insecticide.
(note – vinegar infused with dandelion puffs doesn’t count as proper insecticide)

Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 1:37 pm

Found a pic of my efforts a few ago –

Kevin Kilty
Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 3:07 pm


Reply to  Kevin Kilty
November 22, 2022 4:47 pm

Some of those look like good throwing tomatoes, in case you wanted to share them with Hillary Clinton, Al Gore and the like.

Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 8:01 pm

Eddy also does not tell us weather he lives in a city that has grown in the last fifty years or in the boondocks. That may explain the difference.

November 22, 2022 10:17 am

How do rising air temperatures at night of 1 deg C heat ocean water? Wouldn’t rising air temperatures increase ocean evaporation which has a net cooling effect? Asking for a friend.

Reply to  doonman
November 22, 2022 5:35 pm

More importantly, the oceans are NOT heating up because the atmosphere is NOT heating up. Todays temps are basically what they were 20 years ago.

Bryan A
November 22, 2022 10:29 am

Just curious…how else has the Tomato crop been negatively affected?
More per plant…

John in Oz
Reply to  Bryan A
November 22, 2022 1:27 pm

You must know by now that there is nothing positive about climate change.

If his tomatoes gain from anything on your list this is Nature fighting against cc (and losing, of course)

November 22, 2022 10:39 am

“Climate warps”

That’s a new meaningless term

Reply to  Redge
November 22, 2022 11:58 am

“It’s just a jump to the left . . .”

Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 12:03 pm


Bryan A
Reply to  Redge
November 22, 2022 2:08 pm

And then they Step On The Riiiiiight

Reply to  Bryan A
November 22, 2022 9:03 pm

Rocky Horror Picture Show.
It’s just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
With your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it’s the ********** that really drives you insane,
Let’s do the Time Warp again!

Reply to  Redge
November 22, 2022 2:31 pm

Climate warps .
New Zealand experienced late frosts in early October this year .
Immense damage was done to a lot of horticultural crops .
A lot of orchards will have no fruit this year.
Kiwi fruit ( Chinese gooseberries) were decimated as they were starting to flower .
We used to be like Tasmania and did not pant tomatoes and other frost tender crops untill the 20th of October .
Kiwi fruit are a vine and have been grown commercially in NZ for 50 years and this was by far the worst late frost ever experienced.
Now this is where the Climate Warp comes in .
Our Prime Nut Minister was interviewed on the radio and she blamed the frosts on Climate Change.

Henry Pool
November 22, 2022 10:54 am
Ron Long
November 22, 2022 11:15 am

Who the devil worries about tomato planting in Tasmania? Keeping with the Goldilocks theme, here in central Argentina, in the famous wine-producing area of Valle de Uco, a late freeze has destroyed almost half of that districts wine grapes. And, as we all know, wine is more important than tomatoes.

Peta of Newark
November 22, 2022 11:40 am

It wasn’t all that long ago when folks genuinely believed that tomatoes were poisonous and dared not eat them.

They were correct.

(Is it actually true that tomato ketchup, in American schools, counts as one of the 5-per-day vegetables? Please tell me no. Please.)

Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 22, 2022 12:00 pm

I think that story was spread by people like me who want to keep all the best of the crop for themselves.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 22, 2022 12:44 pm

Tomatoes, potatoes and eggplant are members of the Nightshade family which indeed produce solanine, which is poisonous. Don’t eat the leaves of these plants or green potoatoes and you will be just fine.

Reply to  doonman
November 22, 2022 3:39 pm

Potatoes naturally green up when exposed to light, any light. Including the light in a grocery store.
If one is worried, they can peel the potato before cooking.

People who do not peel and they also eat the potato skin (nutrients) are unlikely to be affected by one or two potatoes.

Green tomatoes are quite safe.

Yes, a German amateur detective TV show, “Sophie: Schlauer als die Polizei” does an episode where experimental potato(s) kill a person, but:
Yes, she ate multiple experimental potatoes, but I don’t think she ate the whole potato, making the concept questionable.

David Wojick
Reply to  doonman
November 22, 2022 3:43 pm

But I love sliced, breaded and fried green tomatoes. We pick them just before the first killing fall frost. Dip,the slices first in flour, then egg, then spicy bread crumbs. Fry in a little hot oil until breading is golden brow. Place on broiler pan. Finish with ten minutes in a hot oven.

Reply to  doonman
November 23, 2022 4:04 am

as if anyone COULD manage to eat them?
no animal chook etc will touch em either
rhubarb however even though toxic to us..I watched my ducks and chooks file past my rhubarb and each take ONE peck at a leaf
natural worming
as is wormwood which sheep and other animals will eat as required, ONLY when they need it

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Reply to  doonman
November 23, 2022 5:08 am

I vaguely recall reading of efforts to cross potato and tomato plants in an attempt to get tubers and berries from a single plant. It appeared to work, but both were found to be toxic. Back to the drawing board.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 22, 2022 2:50 pm

Is it actually true that tomato ketchup, in American schools, counts as one of the 5-per-day vegetables?”

It’s not true here in America nor in South America.

Ketchup, catsup are tomatoes reduced to a thick sauce. And properly burnt slightly to get the proper flavor, which is why it does not taste like classic tomato sauce.

Is it also believed in England that tomato sauce counts as a vegetable, anywhere? One eats a lot more tomato sauce in various dishes than people use catsup on their entire meals.

Some manufacturers add gums to artificially thicken the catsup. Easily spotted on the list of ingredients.

Ron Long
Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 22, 2022 3:16 pm

Tomatoes are actually a fruit, however, People Eating Tasty Animals may be correct that American schools, those bastions of wokeness now and not much more, count tomatoes as a vegetable.

Reply to  Ron Long
November 22, 2022 3:47 pm

“In the 19th century, the U.S. Supreme Court faced a similarly ridiculous question: Are tomatoes fruits or vegetables?

At the time the Port Authority of New York classified tomatoes as vegetables, which were subject to a 10 percent import tax.

A fruit importer argued that tomatoes were fruits, which were not taxed.

In the case, witnesses read from dictionaries, and definitions for “fruit” and “vegetable” were read in court. Also definitions of “tomato,” “pea,” “eggplant,” “cucumber,” “squash” and “pepper.”

In the Supreme Court decision, the justices distinguished between science and everyday life.
The justices admitted that botanically speaking, tomatoes were technically fruits. But in everyday life, they decided, vegetables were things “usually served at dinner in, with, or after the soup, fish, or meats … and not, like fruits generally, as dessert.”

That bit of jurisprudence has never been changed.

Reply to  Ron Long
November 23, 2022 4:07 am

from wiki(sorry)
The ketchup as a vegetable controversy stemmed from proposed regulations of school lunches by the USDA‘s Food and Nutrition Service (FNS) in 1981, early in the presidency of Ronald Reagan. The regulations were intended to provide meal planning flexibility to local school lunch administrators coping with cuts to the National School Lunch Program enacted by the Omnibus Reconciliation Acts of 1980 and 1981.[1][2] The proposed changes allowed administrators to meet nutritional requirements by crediting food items not explicitly listed. While ketchup was not mentioned in the original regulations, pickle relish was used as an example of an item that could count as a vegetable.[3]
A similar controversy arose in 2011, when Congress passed a bill prohibiting the USDA from increasing the amount of tomato paste required to constitute a vegetable; the bill allowed pizza with two tablespoons (30 mL) of tomato paste to qualify as a vegetable.

Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 23, 2022 11:33 am

Wiki is wrong as usual.

The Supreme Court decision was in the first years of the 20th century. Far preceding wiki claims.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 23, 2022 2:11 am

Well, when one of my sons did a Camp America exchange job some years ago the answer was yes.

Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 23, 2022 4:02 am

its true bush/shrub allowed the foodcos to pass it as a vegetable in the school lunch debacle they call nutritional advice

michael hart
November 22, 2022 11:43 am

I’m not overly worried.

Along with rats and cockroaches, seaweed will survive the apocalypse.

A happy little debunker
November 22, 2022 11:58 am

Tasmanian here …
You might be able to plant your tomatoes 18 days earlier … but the wind will destroy them.

Tasmania has 5 seasons Summer, Autumn, Winter, Spring and Windy – there is such a crossover between the latter 2 it is hard to tell when one starts and one finishes.

My Tomato seedlings have just been planted (in a very protected area) and this week we have had 2 southerly blusters achieving winds of 80 km/h bringing ‘winter’ like conditions of snow down to 200 meters elevation. (for the record – it has only snowed to sea level twice in my 55 years alive)

Oh … and the only way to get these tomato seedlings is
A) Buy them from a commercial grower
B) Use a hot lamp (or keep your home above 20C.)

Reply to  A happy little debunker
November 22, 2022 12:27 pm

We’ve had an extended winter here in Central West NSW too. Planted a couple of dozen seeds, put them in the new hothouse, watered and tended to them for about a month. We had one of those cold fronts come through too a couple of weeks ago, accompanied by strong winds. Blew the whole bloody hothouse away!

Reply to  megs
November 22, 2022 1:01 pm

It’s all those solar panels in your area now Megs.
They’ve started their own micro climate.
(Heated air rises, cooler air rushes in to replace it.)
I bet if you looked carefully under your hothouse, it would have had a little warning sticker saying –
“Do Not Locate Within The Immediate Vicinity Of A Solar Panel Array.
Micro Climate Winds May Blow This Hothouse Away”


Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 1:40 pm

We’re in serious trouble on that basis Mr! The 2,000MW of solar and 700 wind turbines, so far, haven’t gone in yet! We’re still fighting against them. They’re looking to put in 12GW of renewables…watch this space.

Reply to  megs
November 22, 2022 3:01 pm

Yeah make sure you keep sending dispatches from the front line Megs.

Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 3:55 pm

We’re up to thirty groups across three states so far. We’re always on the lookout for new ‘recruits’. All you have to do is ‘fire off’ submissions against the wind and solar projects. We’re even getting a few councils onside. Anyone can sign up.

They’re supposed to review every submission and some of them are quite detailed. I would love to see 100’s against every project. You need at least fifty individual submissions to get a hearing with the Dept of Planning and Environment. Not everyone knows alot about the negative aspects of Ruinables so it’s not easy to find fifty people in small towns who have the confidence to speak up. Things are improving on that front with increasing numbers. We won’t go down without a fight.

There’s an inquiry that’s been set up “The Joint Standing Committee on Trade and Investment Growth, shall inquire into how trade and investment can support Australia’s transition to a green energy superpower.”

Look it up, they talk as though it’s a given, it would be hysterical if they weren’t deadly serious. Even with the energy crisis in Germany and other countries who went down this track. You could right a submission to tell them why it’s never going to happen, as long as you get it in before the end of the month. Australian’s are so bloody complacent.

Reply to  megs
November 22, 2022 3:58 pm


Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  megs
November 23, 2022 7:14 am

Not all..
there is a site


(an Australian one )

Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
November 23, 2022 3:21 pm

Thanks for that Bob 🙂 I have come across them in the past. I should probably sign up with them too. I might be a bit ambitious hoping that anyone from this site would write submissions for an Australian inquiry. A flood of global submissions would have been fun, given that we are all severely affected by this infrastructure.

It would be good to give the arrogant fools a slapdown in regards to Australia being a “green energy superpower” too.

Reply to  megs
November 22, 2022 3:52 pm

Keep reminding them of the overall cost and that “2,000MW of solar” only actually generate ‘500MW of solar” electricity.

Reply to  ATheoK
November 22, 2022 4:19 pm

We did that a few years ago. Our region was considered a ‘pilot project’ and was intended to be 3GW. We kept telling them that 3GW of renewables wouldn’t go anywhere near to replacing the coal-fired plant that they intend to shut down. We must have got through to them because they’ve upped it to 12GW. They still don’t get the weather dependency of this infrastructure, nor have they grasped the area of land required. The projects in the pipeline all have BESS backup. It’s all we bloody need out here, increased fire risk!

Reply to  megs
November 23, 2022 11:41 am

Politicians and Military are notorious for the ignorant boosting requirements.

Then later when the costs are being tallied from designs, they feel no shame in allowing the ignorant clerical staff to reduce requirements without consulting experts or Engineers.

After which, they publish “Request for Proposals”. After much squabbling, they award the contract to the lowest bidder that claims to meet their designs/requirements.

abolition man
Reply to  A happy little debunker
November 22, 2022 1:11 pm

See you, and raise you one!
Here in the mountains of New Mexico we have SIX seasons! There are the usual Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring; but between the latter two we get the additional seasons of Windy and Smoky!
Windy (some call it Dusty) runs from Jan. or Feb. into March or April. Smoky, when the fuel loads are dry from sublimation of the sparse snow, runs on up until the monsoons arrive in late June or July; which heralds the arrival of our Spring.
I built a windbreak for my tomatoes and jalapeños from some old sliding glass door panels that protect them from winds. It’ll grow into a small greenhouse eventually; but in the meantime I get lots heirlooms for my BLAT sandwiches (add avocado,) and red, ripe jalapeños that spend a short time in the smoker with a brisket before being cut up and thrown in the freezer.
If any one has influence with the weather gods please ask for a few degrees more warming in the summer; just asking for the tomatoes!

November 22, 2022 12:10 pm

I live in the central Mediterranean. I grow tomatoes among other crops for my own consumption. As for tomatoes I purchase over a hundred Roma seedlings (for making pasteurised tomato pulp with no artificial additives) and plant them from late March to early April thus avoiding the early-to-mid-March risk of frost and chilly nights which would burn the vulnerable leaves and render the plants useless. But for the past three years Spring came 2 weeks late. During the Grand Solar Maximum peak years 1995-2005, Spring used to come a bit early. Now things have reversed.

November 22, 2022 12:19 pm

While commenting here I’ve got my earphones on, following a lecture by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark who n the mid-1990s had proposed and later proved that the variability in the formation of clouds due to solar magnetic flux variability effect on galactic cosmic rays (high energy protons) is one of the main drivers of climate change. Clouds have been ignored by the IPCC and the corrupt cabal by design, because should they include the cloud effect, the ‘anthropogenic fingerprint’ will just become irrelevant.
(143) Professor Henrik Svensmark 12-12-2015 Essen, Germany – YouTube

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Reply to  Sceptic-Al
November 22, 2022 12:41 pm

They grow clouds from seeds too…don’t they? But which ones? Do they have an anthropogenic fingerprint so we can tell them from the natural clouds? Maybe that’s why the IPCC don’t talk about clouds. So much of life is fabricated, certainly in the way it’s reported, that it’s hard to know what’s real. They go to extremes to sell wind turbines and solar panels. Biggest scam in the history of mankind.

Reply to  Sceptic-Al
November 22, 2022 4:04 pm

Old news here. Unfortunately, off topic.
Whether IPCC malfeasance, Global Climate Models, Svensmark or cosmic ray particles seeding clouds.
Good stuff, really, but not new or unusual here.

Keep up the good work and stick around!

Check out the reference pages in the top menu bar, and search for topics you want to post about.
Use the “Submit Story” choice to submit news tips.

Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 12:44 pm

The CSIRO (Australia) has published their State of the Climate 2022 report in which amongst other dubious claims they state: “Australia’s climate has warmed on average by 1.47 ± 0.24 °C since national records began in 1910”.
According to HADCRUT4 and HADCRUT3 sea surface the Southern Hemisphere has warmed only about half as fast, the SH being mostly ocean.
Either the Australian temperature record is measuring something other than the general climate trend and/or is otherwise distorted.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 1:09 pm

Among other bullshit statements is this one –
national records began in 1910

This was done by the BoM to ensure that the meticulously recorded events of 1890 – 1902 – the Federation Drought years of horrendously hot temperatures – did not provide the starting point for their warming narrative.

Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2022 5:43 pm

In 2009, the Bom in association with the CSIRO said….. ”we are just not going to get good rains if the system continues to warm up”

Back to reality…record rains everything flooded all dams full.
They didn’t know what they were talking about then and they don’t know what they are talking about now.

John in Oz
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 1:30 pm

My money is on ‘distorted’

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 2:05 pm

According to the satellite data from 1978 the continent of Australia does not seem to be warming faster than the overall Southern Hemisphere.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 5:43 pm

Been cooling since 2016

UAH Australia 5 years.png
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 5:45 pm

No warming at all from 1998-2018 either

Australia UAH.png
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 4:25 pm

I wonder what dataset they used for those claims? Are they using the ACORN-SAT2.1 dataset, which is pretty heavily “corrected”?

Their metrics seem to be fairly opaque, and not something that is often used (E.g.: “Extremely warm days are defined as those where daily mean temperatures are the warmest 1 per cent of days for each month, calculated for the period from 1910–2021“). There’s a lot of room for statistical shenanigans there.

My suspicion is that this report is based on the distorted ACORN-SAT(2.1) dataset, although they do not seem to mention where they underlying data for their report comes from.

Some of their figures on rainfall etc will look very different when they update their report to 2022, rather than finishing at 2020. It’s been particularly wet this year.

Lots of charts with lots of red, but not much clarity if you take more than a cursory look at it.

Reply to  MarkH
November 22, 2022 5:46 pm

Acorn uses all the worst sites they can find ! 😉

around 50% are totally unfit for climate purposes.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 22, 2022 5:42 pm

Except around 50% of their sites are “unfit for climate purposes”

There is also data before 1910

Australia historic temperatures.jpg
John Hultquist
November 22, 2022 1:01 pm

Where I live (central Washington State) tomatoes have two big issues. Late Spring frosts mean delayed planting into a sunny spot and cool nighttime temperatures retard setting fruit. The night temperature needs to be above 55°F (13°C) for fruit. Unless there is a long warm fall, one needs to love green tomatoes to even bother with the effort.

Reply to  John Hultquist
November 23, 2022 7:14 am


Thanks John from Washington, same problem for tomatoes as when we were in the Salt Lake valley Utah and now in north Florida. And okra in Utah was almost impossible unless planted on south side of a wooden fence.
Many folks do not believe the 55 deg criteria and plant/transplant too early.
My Utah neighbor would transplant too early and even without a killing frost, my “late” transplanted seedlings had fruit in July, well before his.
BTW, same applies to peppers, especially the more tender ones.

Gums sends…

P.S. before anyone thinks north Florida and the Panhandle is like the Florida you see in the movies, it has actual seasons and frosts/freezes besides the storms the warmists fret about. We had 30 ‘s twice already this fall, but now getting “seasonal” and only peas will grow if you want to grow your own.

Elliot W
November 22, 2022 1:03 pm

Three points come to mind.
Firstly, the varieties of tomato were different in 1910 than now, so compare the varieties, not just the general plant name.
Secondly—correct me if I’m wrong— but, weren’t the years around 1910 the Centennial Solar Minimum with lowish temperatures? Why did he choose the year for comparison? Why not one hundred years ago, 1922? Is he choosing start dates to “prove” his hypothesis?
Thirdly, even if this were true, which I doubt, isn’t it a good thing?

Reply to  Elliot W
November 22, 2022 9:26 pm

Many of the sought after Heirloom tomatoes are from the 19th century and possibly earlier.

November 22, 2022 1:23 pm

Doesn’t Doddridge feel stupid writing this lame article or, is it like Jehovah’s Witnesses that have to take their turn predicting the end of the world that never comes (but even the JWs got bored with that eventually)

November 22, 2022 1:50 pm

Has Tasmanian academic Edward Doddridge not heard? Team Biden has the answer

“”Block the Sun? Is Lex Luthor now the Secretary of Energy for Biden?
Biden administration wants to stop climate change by blocking out the sun””


So what do we do with the solar panels?

Rick C
November 22, 2022 1:58 pm

Hotter water has also killed off almost all Tasmania’s giant kelp…”

Seems odd – just looked up sea temperatures around Tasmania, typically 59 to 64 F over the course of a year. Kelp thrives in water between 42 and 72 F. If the kelp is dead maybe there’s something else killing it. And in any case sea temperatures cannot warm significantly due to warming of the air. I call BS on this claim (note: the link goes to an article at “The Conversation” which is proof it’s BS.)

Reply to  Rick C
November 23, 2022 4:13 am

pretty sure theres some starfish or something eating the young kelp
and a LOT of harvesting goes on too

November 22, 2022 2:03 pm

There’s a piece of gardening lore in my hometown which has been passed down for generations: never plant your tomatoes before Show Day, which, in Tasmania, is the fourth Saturday in October. If you’re foolhardy enough to plant them earlier, your tomato seedlings will suffer during the cold nights and won’t grow.

What a dubious analogy! Is this the best that Edward Doddridge can muster?

Normally, tomato seeds are not planted to early as cool soil temperatures rots the seeds before they sprout.

Tomato seedlings:
A) sprouting indoors requires plant well back in wintertime.
B) tomatoes indoor normal houses are hard to accomplish as Damp-off fungus ofetn kills the seedlings.
C) require at the minimum, cold frames or at best a greenhouse to sprout seeds.

After six to eight weeks, the seedlings are ready to plant outdoors, provided the Last Spring Freeze” is already past.
It’s not that the seedlings grow slowly in cooler weather, they will catch up when the sun is warm.





Planting seedling tomatoes in 40°F (4.4°C) temperatures is risky as the chance of a late Spring killing frost is still high.

While there are no killing frosts in recent history. Claiming that it is safe to plant in such temperatures as an old saying is absurd.
Risk is not something people historically take chances with, when starvation lurks.

Making Doddridge’s claim very likely sophistry.
One does wonder if he invented the saying or if he got it from someone much younger.

November 22, 2022 2:28 pm

In South Eastern Victoria, my tomato harvest has been later and later. Granted, I only have ~7 years at my current location, but we initially started canning tomatoes (when the quantity of tomatoes being picked exceeded our ability to immediately eat them) in December and finished in January, over the following years, the dates on my jars moved to ending in February, them March and last year it was April. Yields are also down, but I have countered this by planting more. This was primarily due to very cold and wet weather early in their growing season, this year being no different.

Granted, my experience is anecdotal, but is consistent over the last few years. It’s not just the initial planting conditions, its also the ongoing weather patterns that govern the growth of my plants. This has been consistently stunted due to low temperatures for several years and I expect this to continue for several more until the current cool cycle shifts.

Reply to  MarkH
November 22, 2022 8:49 pm

It is recommended that one does not grow tomatoes in the same location each year. That giving the tomato plot a rest to reduce pests/pathogens from what the tomatoes collected the previous year, e.g. fungi, nematodes, dormant pests, horned caterpillar, etc.

November 22, 2022 2:59 pm

> “In Tasmania, you can now safely plant tomatoes 18 days earlier than you could in the 1900s.”

That’s because for the last 120 years we’ve been improving tomatoes to the point that they would be nearly unrecognizable to a farmer in the 1900s. Heat, cold, disease toleance are beyond the imagining of even farmers/gardeners of 50 years ago. The changes that are coming to tomatoes are even more spectacular over the next few years.

November 22, 2022 5:30 pm

Hotter water has also killed off almost all Tasmania’s giant kelp, and made it possible for warm-water fish to migrate south. 

Meanwhile….. Kelp around King Island (north of Tas and probably warmer)…

November 23, 2022 3:57 am

doddridge is a muppet. in sa I could plant seedlings out in late aug or early sept and in hothouse plant in october and have tomatos by dec
in vic you cant really get any growth even in a hothouse until nov if you planted late sept and lucky to get a fruit until feb!
this yr if anyone in town even gets a tomato theyd be doing extremely well
every years a surprise always is

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