Subtropical Bundaberg Sebago Potatoes. Source FB / Homestead Markets. Fair use, low resolution image to identify the subject.

BBC: “Is the world ready for mass migration due to climate change?”

Essay by Eric Worrall

“… Unable to adapt to increasingly extreme conditions, millions – or even billions – of people will need to move. …”

BBC: “Is the world ready for mass migration due to climate change?”

By Gaia Vince 18th November 2022

With up to three billion people expected to be displaced by the effects of global warming by the end of the century, should it lead to a shift in the way we think about national borders, asks Gaia Vince?

Borders define our fate, our life expectancy, our identity, and so much more. Yet they are an invention just like the maps I used to draw. Our borders don’t exist as immutable facets of the landscape, they are not natural parts of our planet, and were invented relatively recently.

It can be argued, however, that most of these imaginary lines are not fit for the world of the 21st Century with its soaring population, dramatic climate change and resource scarcity. Indeed, the idea of keeping foreign people out using borders is relatively recent. States used to be far more concerned about stopping people from leaving than preventing their arrival. They needed their labour and taxes, and emigration still poses a headache for many states.

There are, however, true human borders set not by politics or hereditary sovereigns, but by the physical properties of our planet. These planetary borders for our mammal species are defined by geography and climate. Humans cannot live in large numbers in Antarctica or in the Sahara Desert, for instance. As global temperatures increase, causing climate change, sea level rise and extreme weather over the coming decades, large parts of the world that are home to some of the biggest populations will become increasingly hard to live in. Coastlines, island states and major cities in the tropics will be among the hardest hit, according to predictions by climate scientists.

Unable to adapt to increasingly extreme conditions, millions – or even billions – of people will need to move.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20221117-how-borders-might-change-to-cope-with-climate-migration

My favourite example to refute this nonsense claim is the British colonisation of Australia.

Leaving aside very real issues regarding the mistreatment of Australian Aborigines, consider what the colonisation of Australia represented in terms of the climate change experienced by the colonists.

The colonists, mostly from Britain and Ireland, which experiences an average high temperature 9C to 23C (in the London area), were transported to Sydney Australia, which experiences an average high temperature ranging from 17C (62F) to 26C (78F).

The colonists brought their crops and farm animals with them.

After a few false starts, like planting wheat in Fall, because the people in charge were too ignorant and uneducated to understand that the seasons are opposite in the Southern Hemisphere, the colony prospered. Within a few years Australian colonists were raising the crops and cattle they used to raise in Britain, but in a much warmer climate.

There was one change. As colonists spread North, to even warmer climates, they discovered they had to change their sowing times. For example, if you want to grow Maine potatoes in subtropical Bundaberg, you have to plant them in Fall. Cold tolerant Maine potatoes have no problem thriving in the mild conditions Bundaberg residents call winter, and are ready to harvest in Spring, before the Summer heat arrives.

My point is, global warming is no threat to people living in warm countries. All they have to do if warming occurs, is adapt a little, like the British colonists easily adapted to much warmer conditions in Australia.

What about arguments that global warming is somehow different to moving home? The claim that global warming could bring unsurvivable wet bulb temperatures. Could global warming somehow bring less benign conditions, than the change experienced by people who move house to a warmer country?

The evidence says no. My evidence for this assertion is the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, which occurred around 55 million years ago. The PETM was a relatively rapid natural warming event, which peaked with temperatures around 5-8C higher than today.

Guess what thrived during the thermal maximum of 55 million years ago? Monkeys. “… True primates appeared suddenly on all three northern continents during the 100,000-yr-duration Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum at the beginning of the Eocene, ≈55.5 mya. …” according to Rapid Asia–Europe–North America geographic dispersal of earliest Eocene primate Teilhardina during the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum. Much of the world was covered with tropical forests – perfect conditions for tree dwelling monkeys.

Fish also became more abundant during this extreme warm period, contrary to all the alarmism you hear these days about the impact of global warming on fish.

Given how well our monkey ancestors did during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, there is no plausible level of global warming which could make significant regions of the planet uninhabitable for tropical species like humans. Temperatures during the extreme PETM warming event of 55 million years ago were within the range of tolerance for our monkey ancestors, so we humans would be able to tolerate a warming event of similar magnitude. If anything, humans are even more heat adapted than our primate ancestors – Teilhardina marmosets were covered in fur.

If a bunch of monkey ancestors with brains the size of a sewing thimble could adapt to the abrupt extreme warmth of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, and thrive in a much warmer world than their ancestors experienced, we humans could manage any level of global warming our species is ever likely to encounter.

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Tom Halla
November 19, 2022 6:13 pm

Dealing with the suicidal taboos of the Greens seems much more difficult than adapting to weather.

Scissor
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 19, 2022 8:27 pm

I just realized that I need to soak my feet in hot water before going to bed. That’s my adaptation to the freezing cold weather we are having.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Scissor
November 20, 2022 6:59 am

That’s what dogs are for….hence the saying “a three dog night”.

MarkW
Reply to  Scissor
November 20, 2022 7:42 am

That’s what tauntauns are for.

https://www.starwars.com/databank/tauntaun

Graham
November 19, 2022 6:19 pm

Just quoting from what you have written above .
“If a bunch of our monkey ancestors with brains the size of a sewing thimble” could cope with the heat that had nothing to do with fossil fuel .
Then so many of those who are screaming that we have to do something to stop the world from over heating have the brain power the size of a sewing thimble.

HotScot
Reply to  Graham
November 20, 2022 2:06 am

Less. Thimble brained monkeys figured it out.

Redge
Reply to  Graham
November 20, 2022 4:24 am

I like to say you could take two Greens, bang their heads together and they still wouldn’t have the brain power of a single amoeba.

max
Reply to  Redge
November 20, 2022 8:05 pm

If brains were dynamite, the two together wouldn’t have enough to blow a nose.

John the Econ
November 19, 2022 6:26 pm

Forget the imaginary theoretical problems of the future for what is already the reality of today. We’ve already had mass migration due to failed Progressive social, economic and energy policy for a half-century. Expect it to get worse as first-world energy continues to get more expensive and unreliable, and the ancillary effects ripple throughout the formerly affluent societies.

Lint Robb
November 19, 2022 6:36 pm

In my lifetime the Australian climatic change (temperature) has been less than 0.64°C (unhomogenized).
I have experience hourly temperature changes of 21°C, daily temperature changes of 37°C and annual temperature changes 46°C.
I have no intention of either moving nor migrating anywhere.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Lint Robb
November 20, 2022 3:56 am

Here’s an interesting data visualization that I found, showing population density on a world map. If you don’t know your geography pretty well, you’ll be hard pressed to find Australia. So no wonder it’s a priority for Oz to cut emissions.

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Rich Davis
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 20, 2022 4:05 am

So the original reason I was looking for that was to point out that the vast majority of world population is clustered in hot climates (that incidentally are not getting significantly hotter). It is the outliers in northern Europe and the US that are at risk of climate change. The risk is the eventual glaciation that is certain to come.

Lint Robb
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 20, 2022 6:14 am

I have not seen that visualization before and thanks many for that submission.
I suspect a logically and scientifically based predicted ‘period of significant cooling’ over the next three decades may be the real reason for the current climatic hysteria and urgency.
It is well known that retirees of Melbourne, Victoria (37.8136° S with Min Max Summer 14.6°C(58.2°F)/26.0°C(78.8°F) move north, if able, to Northern Queensland (16.9203° S with Min/Max Summer 23°C(73.4°F/31°C(87.8°F). no different than a person might move from New York to Florida or London to Majorca.
Fortunately, the death toll for those retirees who have made this quantum leap remains at zero.

insufficientlysensitive
November 19, 2022 6:58 pm

Mass migration due to climate change?

More important, the mass hysteria deliberately stirred up by mass media doing its best to overdramatize this leisurely global process. Deliberately amplifying the politicians who’re trying to make a crisis of it for their own aggrandizement of wealth and power.

Curious George
Reply to  insufficientlysensitive
November 20, 2022 8:16 am

Don’t panic. This is an advertisement for her latest book, Nomad Century. An editor’s pick on Amazon, Best Sellers Rank: #20,659 in Books. Another of her books, Transcendence, is also an editor’s pick, Best Sellers Rank: #121,998 in Audible Books & Originals. I wonder about Amazon’s editors. They may share them with the Washington Post.

jshotsky
November 19, 2022 7:05 pm

The migration will not be because of warming. It will be because of cooling. Where ice lasts year around where it does not yet happen. Crops need warm weather. Cooling is the enemy, not (slight) warming.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  jshotsky
November 20, 2022 3:53 am

agree not much of the spring seeds are doing well down in Vic too damned cold right now its 3c or so outside in mid nov! days to be 13c or so next few.
then probably sudden return of near summer 30s super humid to make misery with mozzies midges and mould

Yirgach
Reply to  jshotsky
November 21, 2022 11:11 am

We plant hard neck garlic just before the first hard frost (usually beginning of November in Vermont) covered with 4-5″ of mulch. Unlike it’s soft neck cousin the hard neck variety keeps growing even in sub-zero temps. This year we harvested about 10 lbs in July.

John Hultquist
November 19, 2022 7:11 pm

“With up to three billion people expected to be displaced by the effects of global warming …”

Who makes this carp up?

bobclose
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 19, 2022 8:36 pm

The same people who are trying to take power away from nation states and take it into their keeping as UN global socialist masters. They have seen the experts at totalitarian repression over the past 100 years and they want everyone to do their bidding on climate, so they can save the world from dirty capitalism and greedy environmentally ruining businesses.
They ignore the fact that the industrial revolution gave us power over the environment, improved the living of the general populace immeasurably enabling us to live longer peaceful and more fulfilling lives. We don’t need them, they need us. We should just tell them where to get off!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  bobclose
November 20, 2022 3:54 am

throw in the proposed CDC takeover of passports/travel vax certs and add the planned CBDC scam for finance controlling too BOTH of which are being proposed via the crap27 now

bnice2000
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 19, 2022 10:51 pm

Since warming would mostly take place in countries which are currently very very cold..

.. it would seem that these countries could then hold larger populations.

But “displaced”… that is just arrant nonsense.

Rich Davis
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 20, 2022 4:14 am

Of course their schtick is that the oceans are roaring up the coastline engulfing the hapless population. The map I posted above makes clear that living on the coast is deemed good by a lot of the world population. Horrors! Their great-great-grandchildren will need to “migrate” to slightly higher ground. (Maybe)

Redge
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 20, 2022 4:27 am

Who makes this carp up?

The BBC and their cohorts

Disputin
Reply to  Redge
November 20, 2022 5:01 am

The BBC and their cohorts

Not so much cohorts, more like legions. (You do know the meaning of “cohort”, don’t you?)

Redge
Reply to  Disputin
November 20, 2022 5:14 am

Yes (Do you?)

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 20, 2022 5:45 am

John, those who are carping about global warming. 😉

Walter Sobchak
November 19, 2022 7:17 pm

““Is the world ready for mass migration due to climate change?”
No, we need to build the wall.

Scissor
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
November 19, 2022 8:46 pm

If you cheat to get into college and get caught, you go to prison. If someone cheats and sneaks into the country illegally, they get to go to college for free.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Scissor
November 20, 2022 4:20 am

I get your point, but reality is that you won’t go to prison for cheating to get in, unless you cheat by claiming that you have the preferred ethnicity. Oh wait, I guess in that case you become a tenured professor and a US Senator, right Sen. Pocahontas?

Gunga Din
November 19, 2022 7:27 pm

Artificially cut off cheap energy this winter and there might be a mass migration toward the Equator.
Due to “Climate Change” or the “solutions” to “Climate Change”?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 19, 2022 8:04 pm

I moved to Florida 31 years ago because warmer is better.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom in Florida
November 20, 2022 4:31 am

So I’m enjoying keeping my house at 61F (16C) now that it’s costing about $1600 to fill the oil tank and electric rates were just announced to go up 40% to a delivered cost of about $0.36/KWh here in deep dark blue Connecticut.

We have a biofuel mandate to boot, just to make sure that the heating oil is at a maximum price. Also we have offshore wind on the way with inflated guaranteed feed-in rates.

My dad who died 5 years ago was still on the voting rolls when I voted this year. Every single candidate that I voted for lost.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 20, 2022 4:56 am

BTW, I moved to Florida from Connecticut. Grew up in Hamden, was living in Branford prior to the move. And Pepe’s was better than Sally’s.

petroalbion
November 19, 2022 8:06 pm

Surely the BBC should be prosecuted in a court of law for spreading lies of this size?

Graham
Reply to  petroalbion
November 19, 2022 11:15 pm

If you think the BBC is good at spreading lies you should look at the program named Sunday screened at 7.30 PM on each Sunday in new Zealand.
This is on TV1 our government owned TV station .
Straight out climate propaganda to convince the young and easily led people to vote for a government that says that they are fighting climate change.
TV1 should be taken to court for spreading down right lies about climate but with the woke judges it would have to be an air tight case .

HotScot
Reply to  Graham
November 20, 2022 2:10 am

It’s not ‘government owned’. It’s Taxpayer owned.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  HotScot
November 20, 2022 3:56 am

and like ABC in aus its agitprop all the way

Tom in Florida
Reply to  HotScot
November 20, 2022 4:58 am

Liberals believe the government owns everything, including the money supply.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom in Florida
November 20, 2022 7:47 am

If you fail to pay your taxes(rent) government will have you evicted.

Graham
Reply to  HotScot
November 20, 2022 9:27 am

You are splitting hairs Hot Scot .
The government controls TVI and the National Radio Stations and is spending a large amount of money to amalgamate them .
I am a taxpayer and I have never had a dividend from them .
Land Corp now renamed Pamu pay a dividend to the government when they make a profit

Lint Robb
Reply to  Graham
November 20, 2022 6:37 am

Don’t ever let that Adern girl near my carrot patch, it would be an absolute slaughter.

StuM
November 19, 2022 8:09 pm

Thos Bundie potatoes look just like the one common in local markets in tropical PNG 🙂

Chris Hanley
November 19, 2022 8:17 pm

Gaia Vince? I don’t believe it.
Anyway ‘We must reduce our carbon emissions and much faster’ (notice ‘we’ not ‘I’) says ‘Wandering Gaia’ who has been traveling around the world for 800 days: Argentina, Australia, Bolivia, Brazil, Central America, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, London, Malawi, Maldives, Nepal, Nicaragua, Panama, Peru, Rwanda, and South Africa.
Presumably much of this travel was by air that emits 90 kg of CO2 per passenger per hour.
However I’m sure for Gaia all this wandering to exotic locations is a burden but absolutely necessary for her to research her fabulous books.

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Rich Davis
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 20, 2022 5:06 am

Like red diaper babies back in the day, this one appears to be a green diaper. Same thing of course.

slowroll
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 20, 2022 10:58 am

Bear in mind the watermelon effect. The green diaper doper babies are really red diaper doper babies.

Rich Davis
Reply to  slowroll
November 20, 2022 11:36 am

I wonder if Gaia is a druid priest? Or at least BIPOC. Without such meaningful credentials how can we know if the opinions are correct?

Mr.
November 19, 2022 8:18 pm

If you look at seeds packets, and see the generous spans of climate conditions each type can be grown in, you’d call this BBC story out for the bullshit it is.

Lint Robb
Reply to  Mr.
November 20, 2022 6:48 am

You might also consult the NASA Leaf Area Index (MODIS) and discover increasing CO₂ levels have resulted in significant greening of our planet over the past 35 years, as determined by the NASA MIRS and NOAA AVHRR satellite based spectrometers used to establish the ‘leaf area index. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

Lee Riffee
November 19, 2022 8:34 pm

I swear when I see this kind of nonsense, all I can think of is an episode of the original Twilight Zone – “The Midnight Sun”
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734660/?ref_=ttep_ep10
Part of me wonders if Al Gore didn’t see this as a child and it traumatized him….

MarkW
November 19, 2022 8:37 pm

Year after year, the warmunists keep talking about billions of climate refugees.
Year after year, the warmunists have been unable to find even one climate refugee.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  MarkW
November 20, 2022 5:00 am

Most of them are in Florida, escaping the cold winters every year. We call them “snow birds”, among other things I cannot say without being censored here by the mods. 🙂

Geoffrey Williams
November 19, 2022 8:41 pm

BBC asks ‘is the world ready for mass migration due to climate change ?’
My reply; which world are they talking about, indeed whose world?
My world may not be but clearly the BBC’s is . .

Tom Abbott
November 19, 2022 8:56 pm

From the article: “Unable to adapt to increasingly extreme conditions, millions – or even billions – of people will need to move.”

What increasingly extreme conditions? There’s no evidence for it.

Alarmists make one fact-free claim after another.

RickWill
November 19, 2022 9:28 pm

“Global Warming” is a fairy tale. There is nothing “global” about any warming.

The big mover in temperatures is the Arctic and sub-arctic. The minimum temperature over the Greenland plateau is increasing 3C/century. Back in 1950 the minimum was MINUS 25C. minimum have already warmed to an impressive MINUS 23C.

If climate models were useful they would be identifying that the increased snowfall on the Greenland plateau is the reason for the increasing temperature.

The Northern Hemisphere will continue to warm; by 2050 the show will be accumulating on elevated land as far south as 55N and even the most rabid CO2 demoniser will understand how glaciation commences.

bnice2000
Reply to  RickWill
November 19, 2022 10:48 pm

“by 2050 the show snow will be accumulating on……”

I assume that is what you meant 🙂

old cocky
November 19, 2022 10:32 pm

After a few false starts, like planting wheat in Fall, 

Actually, wheat is sown in late Autumn or early Winter in Australia, and harvested in late Spring or early Summer.

Perhaps that wasn’t the case in the late 18th century, but it certainly has been for most of the 20th.

strativarius
November 19, 2022 11:59 pm

Gaia Vince is an airhead

Jeroen B.
November 20, 2022 12:20 am

Of course, it’s not how much brain you have that decides how well you can adapt.
It’s how much of it you actually use.
Jury as to that is still out for the alarmists, but it’s not looking good I’d say.

michel
November 20, 2022 12:44 am

I don’t think there’s any evidence that there will be enough warming to lead to large areas of the world becoming uninhabitable. That is just hysteria.

However, the usual argument to this effect cannot be met by your counter-argument. The usual argument is that at the moment in lots of places there are hot summer temperatures which are only just survivable. There are month or two month long periods of 40C or near. The argument the alarmists make is that these temperatures will rise to 45C or so, at which point it will not be possible for humans to live there.

You say, for instance, that the average London temperature is 9-23C, which is probably correct. However there are commonly quite long periods of over 30C in hot summers in London. Not all day, but for substantial portions of the day. And there were periods this last summer of close to 40C – not just in London, but also in the countryside.

I think their argument is to this extent correct: if the wilder temperature scenarios the alarmists are predicting come true, there will be substantial populations exposed to temperatures which are insupportable with the technology currently available to them and in the population densities currently found. They will move, and there will be large migrations. There really is a temperature pattern which, if it happens, will make it impossible for people to carry on working as they do now in the population densities of today in the locations where they do it today. Its non-linear, there is a tipping point here, and the plausibility of the argument is that we are not all that far off it.

Far enough not to worry, I would say. But the plausibility of the argument is based on the fact that its single numbers of degrees C, and if you exaggerate the global warming predictions it seems plausible to people who haven’t looked carefully and believe all the hype in the media.

The valid objection to this isn’t that people, crops and animals will adapt. If it were to happen, they probably could not and would not.

The valid objection is that there is no evidence that the level of temperature rises that the alarmists are forecasting will happen. There will be heat waves, there always have been. Some of them will be extreme, like last summer’s heat wave in the UK, which was definitely not unprecedented as claimed, and not due to anything but usual weather patterns, but was very strong and a few times in a century event. The same is true of the Pakistan floods, a standard weather pattern within normal variability whose impact was exaggerated by rising population and changing land use and failure to maintain infrastructure.

But there is no evidence that there will be any general rise in temperatures prolonged enough or general enough to make large areas of the planet, now densely populated, uninhabitable. None. This is the really effective counter-argument.

JohnC
November 20, 2022 12:59 am

I think it gets forgotten that Homo sapiens are tropical animals from Africa that have adapted to cooler climes, rather than the other way round. Perhaps they would be happy if glaciation started spreading over Canada and the USA down to the Potomac.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  JohnC
November 20, 2022 5:04 am

“Homo sapiens are tropical animals from Africa”

As evidenced that we have sweat glands to help our bodies cool.

strativarius
Reply to  JohnC
November 20, 2022 1:40 am

“”The UK’s negotiator says he is “incredibly disappointed” the summit did not go further””

UK people like me think it went way too far

Martin Brumby
Reply to  strativarius
November 20, 2022 2:17 am

No, I would be ecstatic if it was past Uranus, heading towards Pluto…

Mary Jones
November 20, 2022 1:02 am

“… Unable to adapt to increasingly extreme conditions,millions – or even billions – of people will need to move. …”

What on earth did people do before they had the intelligentsia to tell them what to think?

Brian Mead
November 20, 2022 1:08 am

So presumably all the Brits that have retired south to France and Spain over the years for a bit of extra warmth will be rushing to move back soon when it gets, well, slightly warmer down there. I think not – it’s wet and cold here today in SE England.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Brian Mead
November 20, 2022 5:52 am

And freezing (wind chill) but sunny in Dublin today.

MCourtney
November 20, 2022 1:16 am

If a bunch of monkey ancestors with brains the size of a sewing thimble could adapt to the abrupt extreme warmth of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, and thrive in a much warmer world than their ancestors experienced, we humans could manage any level of global warming our species is ever likely to encounter.

But monkeys could not evolve sophisticated politicians.

186no
November 20, 2022 2:17 am

“If a bunch of monkey ancestors with brains the size of a sewing thimble could adapt to the abrupt extreme warmth of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, and thrive in a much warmer world than their ancestors experienced,…”….may be an obvious cheap shot but the climate communists cannot even evoke their superior brain powered adaption skills in an environment more benign compared to their vastly superior primate ancestors who did not need to travel the globe to inform delude/brainwash themselves….

Rod Evans
November 20, 2022 2:48 am

A bit of background about the author which may explain why she is such an air head.

Gaia Vince is a freelance British environmental journalist, broadcaster and non-fiction author with British and Australian citizenship. She writes for The Guardian, and, in a column called Smart Planet, for BBC Online. She was previously news editor of Nature and online editor of New Scientist.  Wikipedia.

Clearly she fails on all counts. Writing for the Guardian and the BBC is full on incestuous journalism. Then in her Wiki it suggests she writes non-fiction? Obviously she does not know what not fiction actually is. This article she has scribbled is definitely fiction!.
They do say travel broadens the mind. In Gaia’s case that has not worked travel (and lots of it, thank you tax payers) has closed hers.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Rod Evans
November 20, 2022 5:07 am

“She writes for The Guardian, ”

Enough said.

Petit-Barde
November 20, 2022 2:58 am

Green activists claim that the illegal migrant from (mostly sub-saharian) Africa to Europe are “climate refugies”.

However, the populations of sub-Saharan countries have increased by a factor of 3 to 4 between the 1970s and 2021 and this increase seems to be accelerating at the same pace in recent years.

When, in the Human history, did a regional population kept sharply growing despite being impacted by a locally climate evolution considered by the greens so unfavorable as to be a threat to humanity ?

I call “climate refugies” a scam.

davezawadi
November 20, 2022 3:08 am

In the 1930s Australia was uncharacteristicaly hot, and huge losses occurred of sheep and cows due to lack of water. (Read Neville Schute). It has been lower for the last 90 years, yet they now notice a tiny warming? They are clearly ignorant of their own history, and believe the made up stuff instead!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  davezawadi
November 20, 2022 4:02 am

the under 60s are so ignorant it scares me, history apparently didnt get taught or they didnt pay attention

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 20, 2022 6:10 am

Happily some of us have taught our children to reason logically – like mine in their fourties – but they dare not open their mouths. The are not looking for the woke fury it will preciptate so they keep their heads down.

I thought I would become less political than I was 50 years ago but all this makes me far angrier than I was as a young student. I can see the enormous damage all this alarmism is and will cause. I am infuriated that the young politicians will probably never be held accountable while they build up very healthy bank balances and property portfolios. 😒

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Tony_G
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
November 20, 2022 12:41 pm

Happily some of us have taught our children to reason logically – like mine in their fourties – but they dare not open their mouths. The are not looking for the woke fury it will preciptate so they keep their heads down.

Good observation. I’ve taught my son similarly. He’s 21. He absolutely refuses to engage in political (including environmental issues) discussion with most people, unless he knows them very well. And often not even then.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
November 20, 2022 7:02 pm

I’m not sure it is even parents teaching children to think for themselves. I am constantly shocked at the number of Gen Xers I meet that truly have the ability to think for themselves. I have met their parents – I don’t think they taught them much at all. They just seem to inherently look at things with a critical eye.

Oh… none of them are college-educated. They have used their wits to make their lives a success. Come to think of it, I’ve met only a few college-educated kids that did have a lick of sense. Their parents also have a lot of common sense. Maybe the trick is to have sufficient parental teaching to overcome university indoctrination.

If the parents are weak-minded (regardless of university degrees) the children are no better after attending indoctrination centers.

Lint Robb
Reply to  ozspeaksup
November 20, 2022 7:32 am

I think a ‘short-term attention span’ may be a factor.

Lint Robb
Reply to  davezawadi
November 20, 2022 7:29 am

The Federation drought of 1902, resulted in more than 50,000,000 (that’s not a typo, that is 50 million) of Australia’s sheep stock perished and cattle losses occurred at the same rate.
Australia has warmed by 0.64°C in the past 110 years, I have yet to meet a person able to detect a temperature difference of less than two degrees.

ozspeaksup
November 20, 2022 3:49 am

the refugees are financial not climate ones
looking at ZH yesterday thermal images of your sth border crossers..its horriffic

Michael in Dublin
November 20, 2022 5:37 am

Here is a suggestion to handle the “economic” migrants in the UK:
If a family of 5 (father, mother, 3 children) need £60 000 aid annually for 5 years.
If they learn English, integrate, gain work skills and jobs to support themselves.
If those concerned contribute the money from their own pockets for these.

Then the country can afford to bring in the number of people for whom the money has been donated. If donations are depleted, those wishing to come will have to wait till new funding becomes available. Those assisted need to be contractually obliged to keep their side or be sent home.

This in my mind would be a just solution.
This would be real charity.
Not gaming a flawed system, forcing hard working citizens to pay for layabouts.

sskinner
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
November 20, 2022 7:45 am

No. First the UK must train up it’s own citizens first. We have a skills shortage because we de-industrialised and stopped apprenticeships and also the skills that used to be taught in schools. China only accepts foreign workers if no Chinese person can do that job and then the foreign person can only work in China for as long as it takes to train up a Chinese person. However, I have witnessed skilled UK people being replaced by cheaper workers from India that are then housed in the UK. Why is this OK.
The NHS haemorrhages UK staff, mostly because of the way the organization is run, and then foreign nationals are brought in because they will put up with the bureaucracy. There is no effort to remove the bureaucracy or stop doing the things that make indigenous UK staff quit.

Hatter Eggburn
November 20, 2022 6:57 am

Mass migration will come from ukraine due to the west’s jihad there.
the bbc and global-goebbels will attribute it all to climate change.

In other news university graduates will soon have to swear fealty to climate religion in order to gain qualifications and employment:

MarkW
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 20, 2022 7:55 am

The west invaded the Ukraine?
The west has been dropping bombs on the Ukraine?
The west has been massacring civilians in the Ukraine?

Hatter Eggburn
Reply to  MarkW
November 21, 2022 12:49 pm

How many Russian speaking civilians did ukraine – hand in hand with the USA – have to kill in Donbas to provoke the Russian intervention? About 14,000 over 8 years.

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sskinner
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 20, 2022 10:13 am

I’ve watched this ‘news’ channel before and they seem to be a mouthpiece for the Kremlin, or is Gremlin?

Hatter Eggburn
Reply to  sskinner
November 21, 2022 12:53 pm

Well I guess if I want the truth I’ll just have to go to Zhelensky – who pleaded with NATO to provoke nuclear war and still insists that S300 missile that fell in Poland was fired from Russian lines beyond the missile’s range. Your west has made itself mouthpiece for this fellow!

sskinner
November 20, 2022 7:26 am

Here is Scottish comedian Leo Kearse ripping apart COP26 (applies to all past and future COPs)

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  sskinner
November 20, 2022 10:40 pm

I could only understand about 80% of it, but I still laughed my head off! Thank you!

sskinner
November 20, 2022 7:30 am

Leo Kearse
Net Zero green policy caused Europe’s energy crisis and is helping Putin – it is destroying the West

Jackdaw
November 20, 2022 8:47 am

Ah, the good old BBC. Set up to inform, educate and entertain and once the source of good investigative journalism. Their new purpose is to never let the truth get in the way of a story.

Hatter Eggburn
November 20, 2022 10:24 am

With the rehabilitation of Nazi-ism in ukraine, Britain are apparently behind a push to have the Hitler salute repurposed as a sign of support for a net zero maximalist climate agenda. Hello to winning!

sskinner
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 20, 2022 1:49 pm

You lost me with the Ukraine reference.

Shoki
November 20, 2022 11:04 am

Anyone with a brain and eyes: “Is the world ready for mass stupidity over the climate change lie?”

pflashgordon
November 20, 2022 12:25 pm

Gaia Vince, BALONEY! In everything I find written about her, she fastidiously avoids describing her background. All she says, repeated religiously by Wiki and others, is that she is a science writer/editor with interest in the environment. Who voted to make her an authority? She doesn’t tell us anything substantive about her credentials. From her absurd writings, such as on display here, she is clearly adept at feeding at the trough of climate fame and fortune without having even the least grasp of reality.

pflashgordon
Reply to  pflashgordon
November 20, 2022 12:29 pm

Given her apparent age (about 50), what parents 50 years ago would have named their new baby “Gaia?” Clearly, she uses this pen name (not real) to gain likes on social media. Why are we even reading and responding to such tripe? Because the lame stream media glorify such liars and frauds.

Edward Katz
November 20, 2022 1:47 pm

Between the BBC and The Guardian, we are almost guaranteed at least one alarmist report per week, so what else is new?

Ulric Lyons
November 25, 2022 2:55 pm

The world won’t be ready for mass migration due to the next grand solar minimum if it remains on the Net Zero pathway. Past examples of mass migration occurring during grand solar minima were the 4.2 kyr event, the Late Neolithic collapse, and the Migration Period from 350 AD in the Early Antique Little Ice Age.

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