Essay by Eric Worrall
Could this be the worst diplomatic embarrassment John Kerry has ever inflicted on the United States? Even worse than shaking hands with an accused narco-terrorist?
Split Between Rich and Poor Nations Deadlocks Climate Talks
Debate intensified over a contentious issue — the creation of a fund to help poor and vulnerable countries pay for “loss and damage” caused by climate change.
By Max Bearak, Brad Plumer and Lisa Friedman
Nov. 18, 2022 Updated 1:27 p.m. ET SHARM EL SHEIKH, Egypt
The United States, historically the world’s biggest polluter, has resisted the idea of compensation for climate-related disasters, fearing it could face unlimited liability. But the country stood increasingly isolated on Friday after the European Union and a vocal group of developing countries had backed different plans to establish a new fund as early as this year.
John Kerry, President Biden’s special envoy for climate change, spent Friday out of the public eye, and the State Department did not comment publicly on the latest proposals.
“The U.S. is a key obstacle,” Susana Muhamad, Colombia’s environment minister, said. Without American support, “the conversation here cannot evolve,” she said. “It is taking up all the air at the conference.”
Last week, Mr. Kerry said the United States recognized “the responsibility” to channel more money to countries experiencing climate disasters. …
…Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/climate/un-climate-talks-cop27.html
This is John Kerry’s fault. In the leadup to COP27, Kerry went around giving everyone the impression that the USA supports paying money to Pakistan or whatever because of America’s imaginary climate liabilities, then he goes and does a disappearing act when delegates demand some actual cash.
Like someone showing up to a restaurant, telling everyone they’re going to pay for dinner, then hiding in the toilet when the bill arrives.
Kerry was quoted by NYT as responding “Not a lot of people I know want to sign off on something that’s not even fully defined”. But that isn’t washing with delegates, who at this stage are just seeking a firm commitment of financial backing for the claims process.
Let me be clear, I do not believe the USA has any obligation to pay anyone. Every one of those delegates uses the products of US industry. But Kerry’s diplomatic incompetence has created an expectation. The failure to fulfil that expectation has made the USA look bad on the world stage.
Three words: Swift Boat
Yeah, U.S. sends more money to the warlords and that will save the planet from burning to death in xx years. Sheesh.
and $700 haircuts- not even Britain’s royalty is so indulgent
Five times deferred (5th deferment was “to study French in Paris”) before his handlers landed him that cushy Navy berth Hanoi Jean Fraud Benedict Arnold Kerry has been a liar and a fraud and a traitor his entire adult life…and a COWARD.
The JoeBama Bidet Crime Cabal may be listening to Hanoi John Benedict Arnold Kerry on foreign policy, and that is why they are ordering a retreat before the fighting even begins.
Kerry was part of a 4 Swiftboat patrol on the Bay Hap River in Vietnam. An underwater mine was detonated under one of the boats, causing injuries and severe damage to the boat. Two of the other boats immediately came to the aid of the disabled boat and managed to keep it from sinking while providing aid to the crew.
Kerry immediately took off down river, abandoning his teammates and leaving the damaged boat and injured sailors to DIE had not the other boats been there and rendering aid.
A mile down river, after realizing there was no imminent attack by the enemy, Kerry returned to the scene and cut in front of one of the other boats who was in the process of retrieving one of the Special Forces soldiers who had been thrown off Kerry’s boat when he raced away. That stooge later helped Kerry with his failed presidential campaign.
You can download and read the whole story of how Kerry cut and ran and left his wounded comrades to fend for themselves
CHAPTER 10 An Incident on the Bay Hap River from Scott Swett’s
http://www.tosettherecordstraight.com/index.php “To Set the Record Straight” to find out for yourself what a self-aggrandizing liar John Fraud Kerry truly is.
If you want to know the TRUE definition of “Swiftboating,” here is the unofficial official definition of “Swiftboating” listed in “To Set the Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs, and the New Media Defeated John Kerry” by Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler from the Swiftvets and POWs for Truth movement in 2004:
Swiftboating: Exposing the lies, deceit and fraud of self-glorifying public officials or candidates for public office who exaggerate their military service by lying about feats of heroism or combat wounds.
Hoisted on his own petard! Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
“The United States, historically the world’s biggest polluter ”
No. China is worse !
Shaming China for manufacturing the energy intensive products that a modern society requires is wrong. We in the West have abandoned that effort to save energy and reduce emissions. China gets the jobs, taxbase and profits. We get unemployment, loss of manufacturing base, an ever increasing national debt, runaway inflation, and the privilege of waving made in China virtue signaling flags. A business model as unsustainable as trying to run a modern society on sunshine and breezes.
Wrong. As stupid as most of it is, that is more or less all the west is doing, to the detriment of reason and sanity.
so we got cheap products while China grows powerful- we’ll need those savings to pay for future wars with China
Is that China’s fault?
Chief among those would be the absence of environmental laws adding costs and slowing production.
..absence of environmental laws…
Well actually the existence of a large youthful rural population in China displaced by tractors and other mechanization allows industry to utilize this population in urban based labor-intensive manufacturing jobs at less cost than other parts of the world. This transition occurred in OECD countries last century. We don’t know if the outcome is beneficial to humanity.
These days ‘pollution’ is a misnomer for CO2 emissions (invisible & odorless) that of course are not pollution but a net benefit to the biosphere.
But when it comes to genuine air pollution (particulates & harmful chemicals) China is much worse.
CO2 is the gas of life. 150 ppm and all life on earth ends
true but didnt america clean up in the 70s by offshoring all its polluting factories to china;-)
A Republican U.S. House of Representatives is not going to authorize the payment of climate damages.
The United States did not cause any climate damages claimed by other nations so there is no reason for the United States to pay anyone anything.
There is no actual proof of any damage caused by humans adding CO2 to the atmosphere. There is no evidence CO2 causes any discernable changes to the Earth’s climate. There is no evidence of a connection between CO2 and extreme weather.
In order to get paid for damages, one has to show they have been damaged. There is no evidence CO2 added to the atmosphere is causing any damage anywhere in the world.
Claims of Climate Change damages are fraudulent claims.
Conversely there are evidences that CO2 makes the planet greener and thus contributes to feed the population.
Two words: where is all the global warming?
Yes, that’s true, but why are all our governments still supporting this climate rubbish?
Is it because a lot of people are making a load of money out of it at our expense?
Just follow the money.
Kerry is likely working with the Biden cartel lawyers to see if there is any way to work around Congress and make illegal promises. If it wasn’t for the Supreme Court they wouldn’t care, but the court would throw out all their schemes.
Obama sent money that the State Department had budgeted for foreign development aid. Instead of worthy projects it went to the UN, and from there into dictator’s pockets.
The G20 is looking to restrict all citizens. Illegal migrants get a free pass for some reason. Interesting times ahead.
Making the US look bad has been the goal of the socialists since the beginning.
Well Australia sold 100 billion dollars of coal last year and I hear they are throwing that into the pot. Shame on you Johnny you need to be better. Was wondering though as you look around the room you are hiding in do you see Justin Trudeau.
John K. has a set of handcuffs in his pocket. As he shakes with Nick with his right hand, the left hand snaps cuffs on the two used in greeting. Immediately a skyhook descends and grabs the pair and whisks them up and way to a secret place.
Then I was waked by the alarm and had to get up.
John Kerry makes the US look bad? He has been doing that since Vietnam!
The US didn’t need Kerry to make itself look bad during the Vietnam War.
The US needed the leftwing Media to make the US look bad during the Vietnam war.
The truth was a different story.
A more incompetently run war was hard to imagine, until Bush Jr’s fiascos in the deserts. I lost a good friend to the idiotic rules of engagement, and the draft somehow never got the elite’s kids. MacNamara’s graduated response, the Christian bombing holidays for a communist nation, there was nothing competent or well-thought-out about any of it.
“A more incompetently run war was hard to imagine”
If you are talking about the military leadership, you are wrong. If you are talking about the political leadership, which included Joe Biden, then you might be correct.
The U.S. military could have ended the Vietnam war in six months had the politicians given the go ahead.
Instead, the politicians decided to fight a war of attrition. They didn’t do this intentionally, but the restrictions they placed on the U.S. military in Vietnam, out of fear, ended up making it a war of attrition. Instead of lasting six months, the war went on for over 10 years.
Then, after the war was successfully concluded, Joe Biden and his appeaser colleagues on the Left in Congress decided to pull all American troops out of South Vietnam, and when North Vietnam violated the peace agreement and again attacked South Vietnam, the Appeasers in the U.S. Congress refused to go to their aid even though the United States was legally and morally obligated to do so.
The appeasers, including Joe Biden, threw South Vietnam to the wolves, just like President Joe Biden threw the Afghans to the wolves. Do you see a pattern here?
John Kerry makes himself look bad.
He is a laughingstock.
He is also a traitor to his country.
All the useful idiots in the world won’t get countries to give money when they are having economic problems of their own.
At least the US is now being honest, unlike the EU. Can anyone imagine what a tribunal’ set up by the UN to decide who should pay was might proceed?
I have no issue with an international fund to deal with real, not imagined, problems in poor countries if, as and when they occur as a result of ‘climate change’, with the funds administered by the donors to protect against corruption. But what is on offer is a gift with no strings and no evidence needed to justify payments.
I imagine that the UN both knows and wants this.
If John Kerry has to look like the idiot he is to enable the US to be the sane member of the world community, then well done him (for once)
Before considering compensation, perhaps we should look at the amount of foreign aid and remittances that have been transferred from richer countries to poorer countries over the last 50 years or so.
Or the amount of Green Revolution and technology they have been using for the past century or more. Perhaps they’d prefer giving up all that technology, the improved health care and longer lives, but then they wouldn’t need the reparations either. Win win!
Kerry is only in it for the fun parts, where he gets to lecture and preen and act superior.
As for those waiting for the spoils, I guess they don’t get it that our money will ultimately become worthless if we actually do what everyone says we should. Either way, they’ll remain poor.
How foreign aid destroys Africa!
“African leaders continue to pile billions of dollars in private bank accounts in foreign lands and that is because foreign aid, to an African government, is “free-money” and they need not give any account of it. In other words, foreign aid disenfranchises the poor African because they are not able to hold their governments accountable. One other very negative aspect of foreign aid to Africa is that, it discourages investment and entrepreneurship.”
In the American context –
Social programs instituted for the “benefit of the poor citizens” by progressive politicians may eventually lead to the ruin of those American cities.
For example – San Francisco can be considered as analogous to an African country “benefitting” from foreign aid.
Heard just now on BBC radio 4 that the EU is suggesting a ‘new fund’. What has happened to the Green Climate Fund? Are its accounts visible to taxpayers somewhere?
Not exactly, but the closest is probably its “Operational documents” page.
URL : https://www.greenclimate.fund/publications/documents
See especially the latest “Funding proposal pipeline update” document (up to October 2022 at the time of writing).
NB : The “progress” they are making towards their $100 billion (per year) target is also worth a look.
URL : https://www.greenclimate.fund/projects/dashboard
Reparation was part of the Paris agreement, surely the most stupid idea of many.
However I suppose that to now say to these cash seeking countries prove that climate change rather than natural weather events has caused you damage would be contrary to the whole AGW hypothesis?
Making someone prove climate change damages caused by CO2 strikes at the heart of the “settled science” meme. It is forbidden to challenge the settled science.
And instead of using AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming), it should be CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming) when referring to climate change/CO2 damages.
AGW just says CO2 humans put in the atmosphere causes some warming, the magnitude of which is yet to be determined.
CAGW says so much CO2 has been put into the atmosphere by humans that it has changed the Earth’s climate causing more frequent and more severe weather events.
The current state of the art cannot tell us how much warmth a certain amount of CO2 adds to the Earth’s atmosphere, and therefore, it certainly cannot connect the amount of CO2 added to any extreme weather event.
There may be a little AGW, but there is no evidence for CAGW.
AGW does not produce damages. If it produces damages, then it is CAGW.
There is no evidence the Earth’s climate is behaving any differently than it has since the end of the Little Ice Age. Statistics show today’s weather is no more extreme than in the recent past when CO2 was not an issue.
Extreme weather is normal weather.
Alarmists want to pretend that today’s weather is much more extreme than in the past, but the numbers tell a different story.
Claiming CO2 is causing extreme weather events today is the last refuge of the Climate Change Alarmists. They want to see CO2 in every storm and they want you to see it, too. That way they can continue the lie.
But the statistics don’t lie and they say the Alarmists are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Maybe Kerry’s flipflop is because FTX was supposed to be used for “Loss and damage payment” …
Do we know what’s John Kerry’s personal wealth, and how much he has spent on the damage mitigation?
How delicious – that those who have most strongly pushed the lies over so-called Global Warming may now find themselves in a position of having to deny that, in order to avoid massive compensation claims! How will the lying Greenies get out of that?
If any country demands to be paid ‘climate reparations’ then they must also cease using any technology that has it’s roots in the Industrial Revolution. Which means and will include, any means of transport to anywhere else must be by pre-industrial means. Any forms of medicine and communication must be from pre-industrial times. In addition, and most importantly, any knowledge and experience gained on growing more and better food or mitigating the worst effects of weather cannot be used.
years ago I said theyd live to regret the idiot promises of payment for the imaginary co2 damages
coming right home to bite em
and Id bet the Eu people arent on board with more debt either
Kerry personally is absent because he has Covid so is operating in isolation from his hotel room. The US delegation has walked away from the loss and damage talks because the deal that put them on the agenda has been severely broken.
What an inconvenient coincidence…….
Never mind, there’s always COP28 when covid will have been eradicated by the safe and effective jabs.
“The United States, historically the world’s biggest polluter…”
Possibly, but also the nation that saved the world from Hitler and Stalin and Mao. The rest of the world owes America!
John Kerry has left the climate distortion building.
It’s a small price to pay to keep Kerry out of the country and out of real decision making.
It might be the worst one that is known to the public, but negotiating with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong ILLEGALLY while still in the Naval Reserves on his “honeymoon” in Paris in Jul 1971 to sell out the South Vietnamese and the USA by pushing our official negotiating team to accept “Foreign Affairs Minister of the Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam” Madame Nguyen Thi Binh’s seven point Viet Cong peace plan would rank higher in my opinion.
Like I said above, Kerry is a traitor to his country. He colluded with the enemy to undermine the American war effort.
And that’s not the last time Kerry has colluded with America’s enemies. He was interfering in the dealings with Trump and the Mad Mullahs of Iran, actively trying to undermine Trump’s efforts to stop the Mad Mullahs from developing nuclear weapons.
Kerry is a dispicable human being. It’s fitting that he is a spokesperson for the dispicable Democrat Party.
Don’t they know we are cutting effective tax rates for many thousands of U.S. companies to build out green industry with IRA tax credits, no matter how much extra diesel fuel consumption it entails and imports from coal-fired economies.
That’s right: throw money at the kleptocrats running many of these countries demanding climate compensation and expect them to actually use it to build renewable energy sources like wind and solar. This would be the equivalent of opening all the jail cells and expecting all the cons to adopt honest lifestyles in exchange for their freedom.
It wasn’t the Developing World that invented the “Reparations” idea (I don’t blame Africa and Southeast Asia for trying to take advantage of this silliness, though).
Everything stupid and harmful is the work of democrats and Eurobureaucrats. Doesn’t everyone know this yet?
It’s like “The Great Global Greening Miracle” and 1 degree of warming being incontrovertibly of overwhelming net benefit to the world and its ecologies, not a scourge. Actually even the totalitarian-paid tougher sciency set has had to walk back the warming by 3 to 5°C by 2100 over the past decade and a half.
The Developing World has benefited enormously both from elevated CO2 yielding bumper crops and the fruits of developed world science, medicine, agriculture, technology…. Let’s not do more stupid things. Let’s give whatever help is needed to speed construction of fossil fueled grids for poor nations, help with development of their huge, cheap hydrocarbon resources, and then we have done much more than just give hundreds of billions more to their despots.
I love the Chinese ass-kissing represented by this phrase,”The United States, historically the world’s biggest polluter”.