German Government Fears Millions of Furnaces Going Off…Children Now Being Handed Blankets at School

From the NoTricksZone

By P Gosselin

Confidential government conference fears millions losing heat this winter…schools now handing out blankets for children to keep warm. 

German online daily Bild here reports on how the country’s federal government “fears a millionfold heating failure in winter”, citing sources from a confidential conference between the office of the Chancellor and the federal states.

The worries that Germans may have to freeze and go to extremes to stay warm are as real as ever, so much so that German schools have begun turning down the heat to save on fuel and handing out blankets to children so that they can keep warm in the classroom during their lessons, reports the pleiteticker.de here.

It’s the latest humiliation German children have been subjected to after 2 years of cancelled lessons, curfews and mandatory mask wearing due to the Corona “pandemic”.

“Children must not freeze in schools,” officials have declared, but that doesn’t mean the classrooms will be heated sufficiently for the eleven million or so schoolchildren in Germany. Schools are planning a room temperature of 20 degrees or less as they are being called upon to save energy individually. “In Heppenheim, too, the classroom temperature for secondary schools is 19 degrees – elementary school students are still allowed to freeze at 20 degrees,” according to pleiteticker.de.

“In order to offer the little ones some protection against the frost, the Martin Buber School’s booster club has now even handed out 50 cuddly blankets – decorated with the school logo,” according to pleiteticker.de. With room temperatures below 20°C, the children will certainly need them.

Moreover, Germany’s Federal Environment Agency recommends classrooms should be aired every 20 minutes to keep the air fresh and clean of viruses, thus exacerbating the situation additionally  Shock ventilation increases heating energy consumption by up to 20 percent.

“The whole situation is absurd,” reports pleiteticker.de. “You want to fight Corona and save energy at the same time. Meanwhile, whether children receive the little bit of education still left that the German school system offers is of just as little interest as their physical and mental health.”

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tgasloli
October 12, 2022 6:12 am

20C = 68F how on earth can you describe an indoor temperature of 20C as so cold it requires blankets.

First they want us hysterical about global warming then the want to describe 20C as freezing. The Europeans are fools.

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  tgasloli
October 12, 2022 6:34 am

It’s the temperature they keep our offices at. With a sweater it’s perfectly comfortable, and I’m one who hates the cold.

There are plenty of effects of the energy miscalculations made by the Germans that are going to cause them short and long term harm. This probably isn’t one of them.

Kim Swain
Reply to  tgasloli
October 12, 2022 7:13 am

20C is what I usually have my home central heating thermostat set to but I am trying to delay turning on the heating for a while – hoping I can get to November. The room temperature is currently 18.5C and it does feel a little chilly so have resorted to a jumper. Such First World problems.

Hivemind
Reply to  Kim Swain
October 15, 2022 11:53 pm

A first world problem, indeed. I knew someone that visited her father in McKay (Queensland). The temperature was so low, he had to put a jumper on (probably around 23°C).

DCE
Reply to  tgasloli
October 12, 2022 7:30 am

During the winter I keep my home around that temp, if not a little cooler, unless my elderly mother is here in which case I raise it to 22C = 72F. I also try to keep the humidity up around 30% to 40% RH which makes it feel warmer. I use an ultrasonic ‘cool mist’ humidifier with distilled water – I have a readily available and cheap supply – rather than a boiling water humidifier.

Bronco Jr.
Reply to  DCE
October 12, 2022 9:53 am

You are smart to use distilled water. Tap water has dissolved minerals in it that become airborne particulates in an ultrasonic humidifier. Not only does it lay dust down in your home but you breathe in those particulates

Reply to  tgasloli
October 12, 2022 9:03 am

Small children do not regulate their body temperature as effectively as post-adolescents and adults. (Note that they acknowledge that in the standard for secondary schools.)

That setting of 20C (68F) is the maximum. If they are shock ventilating to the outside every twenty minutes, it’s not going to be that temperature for more than a few minutes in an hour – it will be quite a bit colder (how much so depending on the outside temperature at the time). It will be below 15C (59F) most of the time – and could be below 10C (50F) quite a bit of the time.

DaveW
Reply to  tgasloli
October 12, 2022 4:30 pm

I’m sitting in my unheated room in Queensland and it is exactly 20.0 C (and now 21.3 outside) on a cloudy winter morning and it is pleasant – not cold at all. Maybe in the middle of summer when outdoors temperatures are near 40 C, then 20 C might feel cool (and the electricity bill would definitely be skyrocketing with the aircon set that low), but you’d think German kids would come to school with a jumper on and be just fine.

Steve G
Reply to  DaveW
October 12, 2022 7:20 pm

Qld is not a German winter. The average winter temp in Germany is around 2°c. Set room temp at 20°c then vent the room every 20 minutes to let 3°c air into the room? Yep you are going to have problems.

DaveW
Reply to  Steve G
October 13, 2022 2:01 am

I don’t buy that analysis. It would be pretty much the same if the indoor temp were 25 C and they completely replaced the air with 3 C air every 20 minutes. If they are that stupid, then German kids would have been freezing for years. Badly written misinformed article seems a much simpler explanation.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  tgasloli
October 12, 2022 6:07 pm

It’s not even “frosty”.

Doug
October 12, 2022 6:20 am

A sitting temperature of 68 is not comfortable for a 60 pound child

stinkerp
Reply to  Doug
October 12, 2022 12:41 pm

Put on a sweater.

strativarius
October 12, 2022 6:20 am

“Millions of Furnaces”

Gas boilers?

Surely a furnace is where steel etc is made?

It hasn’t been the German’s century. Weimar, National Socialism, and the neverending post-war denazification, and colonisation. Ever been to Garmisch-Partenkirchen? One of the things I admired coming out of there was US forces radio. They played good stuff and there was no boring speech save for the top and bottom of the hour for a service related announcement. Otherwise it was back to back.

And now this. They’ve been trained to take in the world instead of conquer it, and now they must die to save it.

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Krishna Gans
Reply to  strativarius
October 12, 2022 6:52 am

AFN I liked a lot too, was briadcasted also in Berlin as I wss young 😀

Don Perry
Reply to  strativarius
October 12, 2022 10:10 am

Your definition of “furnace” is an extremely limited one. Here in the US, a furnace is an enclosure that converts a fuel into heat energy. Thus, a gas furnace, a coal furnace, a wood furnace, etc. A simple internet search will show you that.

Bil
Reply to  Don Perry
October 12, 2022 11:26 am

We call them gas boilers. Heat energy heats hot water that runs through radiators.

AndyHce
Reply to  Bil
October 12, 2022 12:18 pm

In my long experience, heated water is not common in the US for room heating. Air is heated and blown through ducts to the rooms of a house, office building, store, etc.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  AndyHce
October 12, 2022 2:53 pm

It largely depends on the age of the residence. Anything from 1900 to about 1950 will have steam radiators or hot water baseboard heat. From 1950 on, it’s forced hot air although hot water baseboard is still installed. Colloquially in the Northeast, you have a “forced hot air furnace.” In areas with dirt cheap electric like the Pacific Northwest, electric baseboard heat is popular. Even found here in NJ, where electricity is not dirt cheap. My first apartment was all electric.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  AndyHce
October 12, 2022 6:11 pm

Hot water heating, with radiators, was not uncommon when I grew up in the Northeast. However, forced air seems to be the norm in most of the places I’ve leived since, except Bavaria – hot water + radiators.

Goateggs
Reply to  AndyHce
October 13, 2022 6:05 am

It’s not common in new construction in the US. It’s quite common in pre-WWII construction. I live in a house built in 1880 and it has a hot water boiler fired by #2 heating oil, that circulates through baseboard coils. As a nice side effect it also produces unlimited hot water for the regular plumbing system. It is quiet, efficient, and inexpensive to run and maintain. It keeps the temparature constant and there are no cold or hot spots. So of course the US abandoned it for dirty, noisy, forced air furnaces, mainly so the shared ductwork could be used for central air conditioning.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Goateggs
October 14, 2022 7:57 pm

Baseboard heaters are a great thing. My late ex-father-in-law built his own family house on Lookout Mountain in Colorado, at elevation 8,000 feet. It was a very large house – I think perhaps 3,000 square feet, with an equal size unfinished basement. Winters on the eastern slope of the Rockies could be brutal, especially at that altitude, with sustained wind speeds of over 120 mph and temperatures down to -10 F. Yet the house, having only the baseboard heating, was always comfortably warm. Hot water circulated through a finned pipe in a simple vented enclosure around the entire floor of the house. Cold air at floor level was warmed by contact with the fins, and rose by natural convection in a laminar boundary layer against the walls – no fans involved. The wall surface came to thermal equilibrium with the rising boundary layer at around 70 F. The room air didn’t have to be anywhere near that temperature (and never was) for it to be comfortable. Just the radiant heat environment was sufficient for comfort. I still remember that house with awe. When I say “he built it,” he actually built it himself – no contractors.

Len Werner
October 12, 2022 6:22 am

“In Heppenheim, too, the classroom temperature for secondary schools is 19 degrees – elementary school students are still allowed to freeze at 20 degrees,” 

Freeze at 20 degrees?? Is this really the stamina of the modern German child? Or just the prose of a goofy writer that makes a crisis out of anything?

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Len Werner
October 12, 2022 6:55 am

A “modern” German child has not to show joy when winning a little game. It’s to protect the losing one.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Len Werner
October 12, 2022 2:58 pm

20°C is fine if you are a moderately active adult, doing work that requires you to move regularly. I have a better than average tolerance to cold, according to my wife anyway, and 20°C is a little too chilly as I spend most of my day sedentary before a computer screen. So, I usually tap it up to 22°C. Oddly enough, in the summer I turn the AC down to 20°C as otherwise I find it too warm. Go figure.

Len Werner
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
October 13, 2022 5:07 pm

A strange world. I was just recalling some working temperatures of my career, which included collecting drill samples in a northern open pit mine as an arctic front was going over at -60ºF (Canada was still using British units at the time) with a 30 mph wind; I also did lots of GSC geologic mapping accumulating 10,000′ of elevation change (on foot) in a day at temps over 30ºC. I this summer spent 60 hours on a tractor in 40ºC temps helping new neighbours on a ranch recover a hayfield that had not been cropped in 20 years.

In other words I have functioned effectively, and regularly, over a 90ºC temperature range, -50 to +40. This is not intended as a criticism of your 2ºC range of comfort, but a realization that many of us have vastly different concepts of the natural environment and the human ability within it. We are bound to have different views on many things, including climate change.

Reply to  Len Werner
October 15, 2022 1:51 pm

Len
I was just thinking the same.
I have worked from South Georgia, up through the Middle East desert in summer, (55 degrees C; I lost a lot of weight!) and into the Arctic circle.
I’m still here.:-)

ResourceGuy
October 12, 2022 6:48 am

Vote Green and freeze. Send all aid to brave Ukraine, not these dopes in Germany.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 12, 2022 10:57 am

‘Send all aid to brave Ukraine,…”

The same brave Ukrainians that didn’t lift a finger to assist Trump when the Democrats impeached him for inquiring how their corruption investigations were going? Btw, before blindly down voting my response, keep in mind that Trump was actually providing real military aid, versus Obama’s blankets and MREs.

MarkW
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
October 12, 2022 11:11 am

I thought conservatives didn’t like it when foreign countries interfered with out politics?

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2022 11:46 am

A) I’m not a conservative. Nor are you, unless you think they’ve been doing a stellar job of standing up to the Progressives over the last 100 years or so.

B) We mess with foreigners, they mess with us. And since Trump’s 2nd impeachment was all about Ukraine, I hold WEF darling / puppet Zelensky just as culpable as Fauci and so-called swing state Democrat poll ‘workers’ for imposing the ongoing failures of the Biden administration upon us.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2022 11:51 am

Elections. Not politics. We have tons of international politics. Ambassadors, embassies, treaties, etc.

Steve Richards
October 12, 2022 6:52 am

It seems a likely problem.

Looking at weather.com for hourly forecasts of Berlin, it starts at 46F at 0900, rising to 61F between 1500 and 1600.

If the classrooms were like mine, single glazed large windows, it would feel pretty cold for young people, effectively trapped at their desks listening to their teacher.

Talk of office work temperature for adults is not the same. You can get up and move around, have a coffee etc. Not so for the kids. Unless the lesson subject os woke!

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Steve Richards
October 12, 2022 8:04 am

Most kids would love a short exercise jamboree about half way
through the class period. They could find out what the kids
like & make a list of them The teacher could help the students
find videos to go with each option. Then each kid would get a
turn to choose that hour’s exercise selection. For kids with
disabilities, find out what they can & like ot do, with other
kids helping them get their exercise, too. Something like
this would build class unity as well as keep kids warm while
having fun doing it.

Along with exercise, the key to staying warm is eating healthy &
hearty food, just like food that’s approved by the WEF & offered
by Uncle Klaus™.

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H.R.
Reply to  Old Man Winter
October 12, 2022 9:47 am

That’s what our school lunches were way back when, except the lunch ladies had to make it from scratch.

Every now and then a stray elbow or two of macaroni would make its way into the pot, and we’d fight over who got the macaroni.

The pouches are so much more convenient.

ResourceGuy
October 12, 2022 6:57 am
Mike Lowe
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 12, 2022 12:32 pm

Only until our next General Election in one year’s time, when the present Marxists will be evicted. Our problem may then be revealed as an ineffective technically-ignorant opposition!

John Bell
October 12, 2022 7:10 am

This winter in Europe, oh boy, it will be bad, I have popcorn. This winter will freeze all the green utopian fantasies world wide.

Vuk
Reply to  John Bell
October 12, 2022 10:26 am

Just go outdoors to keep warm
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Redge
Reply to  John Bell
October 12, 2022 10:39 am

And the excess deaths will be an added bonus for the misanthropic environmentalists

Bill Parsons
Reply to  John Bell
October 12, 2022 12:35 pm

Europeans need to reverse their self-defeating energy policies and re-examine their crazy denial of need for fossil fuels.

Meanwhile I think we fail to make the most of wintertime. Maybe this winter of harsh 70-degree (?) “deprivation” is a good time to re-introduce kids and adults alike to outdoor education. If German obesity problems are anything like the epidemic in America they need it! Two teachers and a stay at home parent volunteer should accompany classes of 20 or so out twice a day to play rough and tumble games. And when they come back inside to their classrooms they can keep their scarves on.

Vuk’s “Hunter’s Return” seems a useful if slightly ironic starting point for a new mindset. It may have been an unsuccessful hunt, but there’s life teeming in that great painting. Enlarge it and look at the games people are playing on the ice: fishing, skating, hockey, curling… God knows what else. Those people are having a blast!

Teacher’s unions have kept Ameri-tots out of school for two years “for the good of the children.” Time they dragged their fat butts outside and, if nothing else, did the one thing that they are capable of doing for the kids – watch em play!

Mac
Reply to  Bill Parsons
October 12, 2022 3:05 pm

When I was in college there was mandatory 2 years ie 4 semesters of PE. Now gone. In grade school and high school also strenuous activities. I remember only 2 overweight kids out of 700 in high school. Now it seems obesity is almost the norm. A huge health problem and burden on the health care system.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Mac
October 12, 2022 3:22 pm

Yep. The real epidemic.

mikewaite
Reply to  Mac
October 13, 2022 12:38 am

A freezing day in oxfordshire, ca 1960 and the rowing squad is sent out along the country lanes in just shorts and singlet for a training run whilst the master cycles along in coat and scarf .
“why are we doing this “we gasp with frost laden breath.
“In 60 years time you will be glad I made you do this ” comes the reply .
60 years have come and gone and all the squad, so far as I know, are still hale and healthy.

Graemethecat
Reply to  mikewaite
October 13, 2022 3:02 am

That brings back memories of being made to run cross-country round Rothamsted Park in Harpenden ca. 1975 when the rugby pitch was too frozen to be used.

DontGetOutMuch
October 12, 2022 7:12 am

It is my understanding that the results efforts to save natural gas for power generation are in. The Germans still need to cut 15 – 20% more to keep the power on all winter. Unless something changes it appears that the power will be going out at times starting in late December or early January.

MarkW
Reply to  DontGetOutMuch
October 12, 2022 7:43 am

Pipeline bringing oil from Russia to Germany springs a leak.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/critical-pipeline-bringing-oil-russia-germany-springs-leak

Krishna Gans
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2022 10:23 am

1 of 2 pipes of NS2 is still available and couldt transport gas I read today.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 12, 2022 10:44 am

Just goes to show that the work of our Deep State is never done.

MarkW
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
October 12, 2022 11:12 am

Do you have any evidence to support that belief?

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  MarkW
October 12, 2022 3:35 pm

Given that the Baltic has been wired-up to detect submarine activity since the beginning of the Cold War, I doubt Russia could have blown up its own pipelines without our knowing about it. And given that the Biden admin hasn’t provided any concrete evidence to that effect, the only logical conclusion is that the US and/or one or more of its NATO allies did the deed to head off any chance of Germany rethinking the efficacy of sanctions. Of course, I’d be willing to reconsider all this if you have any evidence that Putin is a mastermind who is just playing 5-D chess with NATO by blowing up his own pipelines.

Len Werner
Reply to  MarkW
October 13, 2022 8:17 am
Joe Gordon
October 12, 2022 7:26 am

When the government needs to control your thermostat in order to indulge its fantasy that fossil fuels will destroy the earth, does it ever occur to anyone to question that fantasy? When prices double, triple, go up tenfold?

I’m happy for all of you who think 68F in a classroom, seated for hours, is just dandy. Next winter even 60F will be a fantasy and they’ll have to close businesses and the schools. The following winter, everyone will be herded into concrete apartment blocks, one family per bedroom.

And still no one will question the fantasy.

Historians will write about the 21st Century as an example of how civilizations enter Dark Ages. Pretty soon, we’ll be burning witches for heat, and hopefully it will be the politicians playing that role.

George Daddis
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 12, 2022 8:10 am

If Charles Mackay were still alive he’d add another chapter to Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.

Richard Page
Reply to  George Daddis
October 12, 2022 9:29 am

Right, pass the ouija board – it might take a little while but he can still write the next chapter!

Peter Fraser
Reply to  George Daddis
October 12, 2022 12:46 pm

Man it has been well said think in herds. It will be seen they go mad in herds while they only recover their senses slowly and one by one. (Charles Mackay)

kzb
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 12, 2022 5:15 pm

In Britain, the minimum legal temperature for workplaces which did not include significant physical work rate was just 60 degrees F. Also that minimum only applied one hour after the morning start time.
In the civil service offices, it was not allowed to use heating to increase the temperature above 19 C (66 F).

Gibby
October 12, 2022 7:29 am

Okay, going to have to agree with several posts that 20C is not bad and the standard preheat temperature for a classroom in a zone 5 region (US) that I am in charge of. What many are forgetting is that for every human body in a room an additional amount of heat is introduced to the space and has to be accounted for. What this means is that with 25 students in a room it quickly goes from 20 to 21C even with a 20% continuous fresh air makeup at freezing temperatures.
Personal experience says that if a preheat temperature higher than 20C is allowed, the teachers quickly start complaining that the rooms are getting too hot and then insist on running the air conditioner with outside temperatures at or near freezing (very hard on the equipment). The key in my case may be that the buildings I oversee are at the most 20 year old construction.

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Mr.
Reply to  Gibby
October 12, 2022 7:41 am

Also, 25 kids will put out a lot of farts at ~98.6F, so that’s gonna warm up the room.
Or clear it.
🤭

DonM
Reply to  Gibby
October 12, 2022 11:31 am

If they want to reduce energy used, they (you) would not pre-heat. Coming in out of the cold, the 65 degree room will feel O.K. in the morning … turn on the heat when class starts (and tell teachers not whine).

Turn the heat back down to night-time temp an hour before schools is out (and tell the teachers not to whine).

Gibby
Reply to  DonM
October 13, 2022 6:19 am

LoL, telling the teachers not to whine is like telling a teenager to not touch their phone for the next 30 minutes. If they are not already mad at you for some perceived slight then they are now.
Good points with regards to energy saving. I only mentioned one specific case of HVAC control as related to the exaggerations of the article, but there are several layers to efficiently controlling modern commercial HVAC systems and was avoiding it for the sake of brevity.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Gibby
October 12, 2022 3:21 pm

Time for a Fermi Estimate!

Classroom size is assumed to be 30 feet wide by 25 feet deep by 9 feet high, so 25 x 30 x 9 = 6,750 cubic feet. 20% continuous air flow is a little sketchy; is that per second, minute, or hour? Well, the US standard is 15 cfm per occupant, so will go with cfm. 6,750 x 0.2 = 1,350 cfm, which is quite a step up from 25 x 15 = 375 cfm.

So, we want to see if the heat generated by the kinder can warm up 1,350 cfm from 32F (freezing) to 69F (~21C). From answers.com it takes 0.018 BTU to heat 1 cubic foot of air 1F. So we need 1,350 x (69-32) x 0.018 = 49,950 BTH/min.

Human beings are the equal of 120 watt heaters (although children will be less), so we can get 120 x 25 = 3,000 watts, which converts to: 170 BTU/min. Yeah, just a little short there, sunshine.

Gibby
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
October 12, 2022 7:06 pm

I think that what I meant by preheat is being misunderstood (using the terminology for the thermostat interfaces), the overnight room temperature sets back to 18C and at a pre determined time the room thermostat preheats it up to 20C so that upon occupancy it is at the desired temperature. With regards to makeup air temperature in typical winter it is around freezing so 20% of the fresh air being introduced in the recirculation stream is at or around that temperature. I am not saying that the room is recovering from 32F.
My apologies for the confusion, and with your numbers you don’t even have to do the math to know that the outcome is not possible.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Gibby
October 13, 2022 1:11 pm

I think I understood your intent. The missing piece was what does the 20% represent? Is it per minute, per hour, or some other time interval? What rate is the “continuous”? Even if it were per hour, the numbers don’t work, as you noted, and it would be below the US standard in any event.

Gibby
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
October 14, 2022 6:32 am

Good question, I have never looked up the exact fan speed during recirculation but it would always be the lowest setting so probably around 500 cfm. I understand what your calculations show, and are always a great place to start (I understand very well how to size HVAC units and are typically oversized for the space to minimize callbacks), but personal experience over several years says that in order to minimize the AC unit from running during the day in freezing/winter temperatures and provide a more consistent and comfortable room temperature that is what is necessary for this building and location (high elevation and good UV exposure).
Bottom line is that we both agree that 8k to 10k of heat is being added to the room by the occupants alone per hour and has to be considered in any baseline HVAC design calculation.

John Bell
October 12, 2022 7:44 am

OT kind of but an interesting article over at SP!KED about eco-loonies –
Why eco-activists are so hostile to humanity – spiked (spiked-online.com)

ResourceGuy
October 12, 2022 7:54 am

Furnaces off for a longer time period….

IEA chief Fatih Birol in warning over European gas storage (cnbc.com)

and potentially faulty assumptions….

“But where we are is not bad and I expect if there are no surprises — political and technical surprises — and if the winter … is a normal winter, Europe can go through this winter with some bruises here and there, but we can come to February and March.”

Ron Long
October 12, 2022 7:56 am

Maybe the Germans can keep themselves warm by energetic laughing, like they did at Trump when he warned them about depending on Russian Gas too much.

Mr.
Reply to  Ron Long
October 12, 2022 12:52 pm

No, I think that laughing was the same as what “Cackles” Harris does when she knows she’s making an imbecile of herself, but can’t think of anything else to say.

ResourceGuy
October 12, 2022 8:12 am

They need to fear industrial production falling along with exports.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 12, 2022 3:23 pm

You won’t be able to hear anything on the European continent for the sound of dominos falling.

Roy Everett
October 12, 2022 8:24 am

From the UK, and aside from the freezing children issue, I am often in school premises in the evening for adult further education or recreational use. We still have to keep the doors and windows open (as is now the practice during the day) “to keep the coronavirus down” (orders from the the local authority), but the heating is now coming on (if it gets cold enough), which is the most wasteful set up imaginable: boiler (US: furnace) to radiator to open window to environment. Obviously, it’s still cold. The bills will be astronomical, and doubtless the teachers’ union will blame Truss. Yet we’re only just into October, and coronavirus hasn’t been a thing for nearly a year. It’s the residual covid hysteria maintained by schools, government and hysteria, for their diverse interests, which is still strong. Madness!

climanrecon
Reply to  Roy Everett
October 12, 2022 8:47 am

… and transmission of the current mild variant of COVID is a highly beneficial way of getting/maintaining herd immunity.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Roy Everett
October 12, 2022 8:55 am

Actually it’s a boiler in the US too, if it’s heating water; a furnace if it’s a hot air system. Many confuse the terms though.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
October 12, 2022 9:14 am

True enough. Congress, for example, has a lot of furnaces.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
October 12, 2022 11:56 am

In upstate NY, I never heard “boiler.”

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Roy Everett
October 12, 2022 3:26 pm

 boiler (US: furnace) to radiator to open window to environment

There are grumpy old dads all over America screaming “Close that window! Are you trying to heat the neighborhood?!?” Some of them from their graves.

Bob Hunter
October 12, 2022 10:14 am

Still shocking the mistakes Germany has made regarding their own energy. And they can’t even get this one winter season response correct. i.e. have the Germans double up or even triple up the # living in residences and have the empty residences at 40 degrees for this winter. It would be 6 months of suffering while Germany fixes its problems. Include every 2nd apartment building being empty. Whether it is schools, hospitals or industry they must continue to operate. Albeit I don’t know how much energy is required for residential vs the infrastructure.

The Dark Lord
October 12, 2022 10:26 am

68 F (20C) may not seem cold but

 At a water temperature of 60 – 70 degrees, death may occur in 2 – 40 hours”

the human body has to expend alot of energy to stay warm below that level …

and if it the thermostat set at 20c then many parts of the buildings/rooms will be well below that …

IanE
Reply to  The Dark Lord
October 12, 2022 11:49 am

Are they teaching the kids in baths then???!!!

Peter
Reply to  The Dark Lord
October 14, 2022 4:03 am

Yes, that is because water takes heat 25 more times faster than air…

Mantis
October 12, 2022 10:37 am

But under the overcast sky of Germany is a sea of rooftop solar panels…how can this be happening?

James B.
Reply to  Mantis
October 12, 2022 3:58 pm

Wrong latitude for solar.

niceguy
October 12, 2022 10:56 am

In France they decided to forbid heated water in state buildings. So only cold water when you clean your hands.

I’m sure everybody will keep cleaning their hands properly in December or February even if they don’t have feelings in their digits afterward. /s

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  niceguy
October 12, 2022 3:33 pm

This is a health violation in the US.

John Dilks
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
October 12, 2022 10:15 pm

Which has never made sense. The hot water temperature setting is too low to kill germs and we mix it with cold water to make it comfortable.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  John Dilks
October 13, 2022 1:17 pm

It isn’t about killing germs directly with high temperatures. Cold water, besides being freaking uncomfortable, doesn’t let your usual hand soaps efficiently create the cleaning film that removes soil and breaks down the membranes of single cell organisms. That surfactant action is more effective at higher temperatures.

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Peter
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
October 14, 2022 4:13 am

But in real life it is not making any difference.

David S
October 12, 2022 11:06 am

Seems like a bit of global warming would solve the problem.

Christopher Dynak
October 12, 2022 11:18 am

Wood heats you when you cut, split, stack, and finally burn it.

ldd
Reply to  Christopher Dynak
October 13, 2022 10:25 am

Yup! And also one final step – taking out the ash buckets and dumping them in winter time; have to bundle up and take them away from the dwelling and or dump them in allocated spot. Warms me up to do that too. So glad we ordered a new wood stove last year, it works really well as one small fire this am is seeing house temps stay at 25c all over.

IanE
October 12, 2022 11:47 am

‘Freeze at 20 degrees’? Heavens, the kids are soft these days. I assume that they cannot mean 20degrees Fahrenheit, even if they are using heat pumps!

Olen
October 12, 2022 11:56 am

Time for politicians to have a fire side chat! Do I have to write Sarcasm.

TheLastDemocrat
October 12, 2022 11:58 am

The place to save energy is at individual residences, during the school day. Heating 25 students all in one room is better than heating each kid at home, individually.

If parents want to be warm, they can go to their worksite, or to school and volunteer.

Tired Old Nurse
October 12, 2022 12:59 pm

Jane Eyre anyone?

Gunga Din
October 12, 2022 1:35 pm

Years of “Green policies” are responsible.

jeff corbin
October 12, 2022 1:54 pm

58 nor 62 degrees is not freezing, let’s not get hysterical. Grow up on the plains in the 30’s.

. Anyway, Germany made a deal with the devil and now they are playing for it. They transitioned from Nuke power to two tier NG turbine systems. The prospect of LNG from Brazil and USA was one of the reasons Germany quickly transitioned away from Nuke power. The USA and Brazil NG and LNG prospects looked promising until Air France 447 fell out of the sky and Russian invaded Ukraine and Obama sought to restrict NG pipelines from PA and NY to LNG ports. So Germany was stuck with Gazprom and Putin deals. Germany never did build the LNG ports they had planned and the LNG ports planned in the Black Sea died with Russia taking Crimea. France never did fully get rid of their Nuke power obviously they felt Putin had a strangle hold on Brazil and the climate change anti-fossil fuel propaganda machine in the US Yet we know that Russia paid in part for the immense climate change propaganda machine that has been grinding away since 2014. The Russian icy fossil fuel war has been on since 2011. Time to get real and embrace the truth… time to start fracking from one end of the globe to the other so we can hammer despots and side step scoundrels.

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/596304-investigate-russias-covert-funding-of-us-anti-fossil-fuel-groups/

Maureen
October 12, 2022 2:06 pm

Because of society not understanding the impact of baby boomers growing up, school systems in the 1960s and 70s did not plan. I spent most of Grade 7 (1968,69) in a portable in Edmonton Alberta, fine in the fall and spring but damn cold in winter. January temperatures were often in the minus 30, 35C range. We had a small portable electric heater. Sweaters, hats and gloves were normal. I survived

Maureen
Reply to  Maureen
October 12, 2022 2:07 pm

Portables were more or less trailers which could be moved from school to school depending on the overflow of students that could not be accommodated in the real school building.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Maureen
October 12, 2022 3:02 pm

I taught in one of several trailers outside the main building on a Navajo Indian Reservation school for a year. Fall was beatiful down there. As the temps turned, our gas heater in the utility closet became wonky, building up gas through several cycles of the malfuntioning ignition system, til it came on with a whoosh. At first it was a whoosh. After several weeks and with greater frequency it became a bang. Then a boom! I kept the utility door closed and locked for the children’s safety.

Interestingly, the Navajo people are very stoic about these things, so nobody said anything – we just looked at each other with terror in our eyes and curiosity to see how long we could stand it. It went on for weeks. Finally one cold Novermber day it scared me so badly that I sent a kid for the custodian who arrived just in time to be blown back on his heels.

ldd
Reply to  Maureen
October 13, 2022 10:33 am

Also I recall those – as entering school in the mid 60s – big classes of kids and lots of portables here in Ontario. I recall them being very cold. First class room portables of our experience with older siblings; was in 1966 in Toronto. Lots of runny noses too as I recall, I was one- and I can’t function well when I’m cold. Add in blustery bitterly cold wind makes for a miserable time in them.

jeff corbin
Reply to  Maureen
October 13, 2022 11:46 am

I grew up in Hawaii where it reached 88 degrees with 95% humidity daily without air conditioning in school or at home. Went to HS in Virginia in 95 degree heat without air conditioning but the school was heated to a stifling 78 degrees in winter. Go figure. Time to toughen up. During a two very cold winters of 1977, 1978, in Chicago, it was almost impossible to heat the home above 62 even if you tried some days.

TEWS_Pilot
October 12, 2022 2:58 pm

This is a combination of fear mongering and acclimating the sheeple to the coming 0C and lower nights with no lights or heating or cooking or transportation capability.

Brya
October 12, 2022 4:54 pm

Quick build more wind turbines

Bob
October 12, 2022 5:31 pm

There is a simple solution for this, if it is truly uncomfortable or unhealthy raise the thermostat. It is that easy, young people’s health and safety come before useless rules made necessary by dreadful decisions made by incompetent and ignorant administrators and bureaucrats.

Peter
October 12, 2022 9:16 pm

With room temperatures below 20°C, the children will certainly need them.

WHAT !!!! What a joke. 20C is a comfortable temperature to sit in. If cold, wear a jacket.

observa
October 12, 2022 9:32 pm

Careful indulging impure thoughts Greta lest logic and rationality sets in permanently and…gulp…that way lies the dark side!
Greta Thunberg on nuclear and why it’s ‘completely insane’ we aren’t talking about energy saving (msn.com)

Marcel
October 13, 2022 1:32 am

Many European nations are turned into third world countries with basic needs becoming unaffordable or scarse. All due to government policies.
Modern society kicked back to medieval times.by governments either incompetent or enemies of their own people

guidoLaMoto
October 13, 2022 3:01 am

Why is it that the people who turn the furnace up to 22C in winter also seem to be the ones who turn the AC down to 18C in summer?

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/02/heating-people-not-spaces.html

Richard AUBREY
October 13, 2022 9:05 pm

Figure the average residence in Berlin. Figure the average Berlin January night. The heat goes off completely. How long to freeze the pipes?

Hivemind
October 15, 2022 11:51 pm

“With room temperatures below 20°C, the children will certainly need them”

That’s just crazy. This is a northern hemisphere country where the winter temperature always goes below freezing overnight, and usually remains so during the day. It would be very wasteful to have the heat so high.

All winter, in Australia where we don’t do cold, I didn’t turn my thermostat above 19°C, and 16°C overnight. I thought I was being rather wasteful of power at that.

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