From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
h/t Paul Kolk
The propaganda goes on and on!
Castles that have stood for hundreds of years are at risk of being damaged by climate change, conservation charity English Heritage warns.
The charity, which manages over 400 historic sites across England, highlighted six castles threatened by coastal erosion and rising sea levels.
They include Tintagel in Cornwall and Hurst Castle in Hampshire
It is appealing for money to repair walls and improve defences against storms and more powerful waves.
“It seems to be that the whole natural dynamics of the coastline in some places have been accelerated by climate change,” Rob Woodside, English Heritage’s estates director, told BBC News.
“What we’re trying to do now is essentially buy time, so with places that we value, and people want to look after, we put measures in place to protect them.”
There is broad consensus among scientists that even if the greenhouse gas emissions that warm the Earth are dramatically cut, global sea levels will continue to rise for several hundred years. Higher sea levels mean more powerful waves coming closer to the shore, and faster coastal erosion.
These are the six sites that English Heritage says are most at risk:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62995598
I’ve looked at the first example, Hurst Castle, and climate change has nothing to do with the matter. I gave up on the rest before I lost the will to live! If anybody wants to follow up on those, I’ll gladly publish.
According to the BBC:
Originally built by Tudor King Henry VIII between 1541 and 1544, a section of Hurst Castle’s east wing collapsed into the sea in February 2021 after its foundations were eroded. As part of efforts to defend the castle 5,000 tonnes of granite boulders have been put in place to form a barrier, or “revetment”.
A classic case of sea level rise, I hear you say!
Well, maybe not.
According to Wikipedia:
Hurst Castle is an artillery fort established by Henry VIII on the Hurst Spit in Hampshire between 1541 and 1544.
Hurst Spit is a one-mile-long (1.6 km) shingle bank near the village of Keyhaven.
And this is the spit of land:
Anybody with a smattering of geography knows that spits and shingle banks are not permanent features; They are constantly shifting, sometimes gaining material and sometimes losing it, as currents shift around, and the Hurst Spit is no exception.
The Engineers Report for the Hurst Spit Stabilisation Scheme explains further:
It is of course doubly ironic that the Spit is largely formed from sediments from erosion in Christchurch Bay:
And as we often see in cases such as this, it has been the construction of sea defences upwind which have thrown the natural equilibrium out of balance at Hurst:
Sea levels in the area have been rising steadily since the 19thC, at a rate of 1.67mm a year at Portsmouth, and there is clearly no acceleration:
https://www.tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=170-131#tabscenario
Such a tiny rise is not a significant factor in the erosion undermining the castle. The real culprit is the construction of coastal defences in Christchurch Bay.
But don’t expect the BBC to tell you that.
I looked at the whole paper and clicked on the link that says it is a simple guide to climate change.
If I could afford it I would take English Heritage to court for spreading misinformation, or, in fact, telling complete lies.
EH, like everything else has gone woke.
“What makes ‘wokeness’ formidable is certainly not intellectual cogency or even numerical strength. Rather, it is the willingness of institutions —international corporations, globalised universities, civil services, museums, the media, schools, local government, and even churches — to give in to, or worse, to exploit it. Paying lip-service to wokeness is an insurance policy that seems to cost little and offer much: a fig-leaf for the privileged, a PR strategy for institutions, a path to personal advancement, a source of profit, a shield against criticism, a token of virtue, and an instrument of power.”
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/-wokeness-and-the-collapse-of-intellectual-freedom-in-the-west
If one looks at the climate zones and the complexities involved with weather and climate, building a castle or skyscraper, highway or dam is child’s play compared to trying to influence even a single factor impacting climate. This is especially so when we cannot even quantify how much of a difference say reducing CO2 would mean.
We do not even know if there are natural mechanisms to prevent CO2 levels going beyond a certain point or how weather conditions will act to moderate raised temperatures over larger areas. These are not things that can be replicated in a lab.
I got to appealing for money… Didn’t need to read any further. 👎🏼
I caught a funny interview on R4 Today this morning. Mishal Hussein was attempting to grill Jacob Rees-Mogg about a windfall tax on unreliables. He went into some detail about how CfD contracts work and Hussein stopped him… Hang on, she said, that’s technical. Mogg replied it’s a technical subject. And it is.
“Castles that have stood for hundreds of years are at risk of being damaged “
That much is true.
“MINISTERS tried to rent a castle to put up illegal migrants, we can reveal.
The move came as more than 1,000 arrived in Britain in small boats on Sunday.
Owner John Mappin says he was offered a £1million deal for the £256-a-night rooms but turned officials down as he feared the place would be trashed.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20065848/government-castle-put-up-illegal-immigrants/
If any castle is under threat, it’s most likely from the occupants. But don’t expect to learn that from the Waffen BBC. They’re giving that truth a very wide berth.
The sinking rate of the land along the south coast of England is about the same as the rate of sea level rise there. IOW, nothing much happening.
And the same can be said for their [and our] climate change. A bit of natural variability.
BTW, IOW doesn’t mean [just] Isle of Wight.
It did in 1970….
Post-glacial bounce – south west England is sinking.
Vot are dey sinking about?
“Nothing much happening.” Au contraire mon ami. If you have a closer look at the geology of the Isle of Wight you’ll see that it is moving sideways – one side is being eroded and the other has built up sedimentary deposits. Given enough time the Isle of Wight will end up at the mouth of the Thames!
There is broad consensus among scientists that even if the greenhouse gas emissions that warm the Earth are dramatically cut, global sea levels will continue to rise for several hundred years.
During the Eemian interglacial there weren’t any (zilch, zero, nada) meaningful anthropogenic emissions of CO2 and yet sea levels plateaued at 6 to 9 metres above present day levels.
Obviously one can conclude that if this planet is destined to be on the same course, during this interglacial (Holocene), then there is absolutely nothing (zilch, zero, nada) that anyone can do about it.
My advice to these scientists – breathe out slowly and stop gnashing your collective teeth.
Consensus is only required by researchers that are unsure of their conclusions and need validation to quell their uncertainty.
Consensus does not belong in science!
Eemian – Wikipedia
Sea levels around the English coast have risen 300ft since the glaciers receded. Why don’t they ever mention it?
But CO2 is accelerating it, and making it worse.
It is well known that the south coast of England is sinking whilst Scotland is rising due to isostatic rebound from the last ice age. (Or more accurately, the last glacial period of the current ice age) Not that I would expect the BBC acknowledge inconvenient facts.
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/How-it-Works/article/ive-heard-that-britain-is-sinking-in-the-south-and-rising-in-the-north-how-can-that-happen/
Shifting sands is a well known phenomenon in the north of the Low Countries, a place called the ‘Wadden Sea’, mudflats at low tide, flooded at high tide. The boundary with the North Sea proper is formed by an island chain, the Frisian Islands. Several smaller ones are notoriously mobile and therefore uninhabited. There was a time that one of them decade after decade was moving eastwards towards Germany, so much so that many thought ‘good luck with that and bye bye’. But then it changed its mind and started moving west instead. Nautical maps are notoriously inaccurate in these waters.
Beeboids aren’t smart enough to discover arcana. They can’t even distinguish between climate change and natural variation.
Fools is a comic fable by Neil Simon, set in the small village of Kulyenchikov, Ukraine, during the late 19th century. The story follows Leon Steponovich Tolchinsky, a schoolteacher who takes a new job educating Sophia, the daughter of Dr. Zubritsky and his wife, Lenya. Leon soon learns that there is a curse on the village that makes everyone stupid,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fools_(play)
Maybe not a fable …
Telling lies in order to screw money out of the gullible.
It’s not supposed to be a legal activity in civilised countries, but times change.
I thought that when Obama was elected the sea levels stopped rising, or so he said. It seems he was wrong on that one.
*sigh* What to do… heat, eat, or move my castle? Tough decisions when you are on a pension.
Somewhat related – I just watched PBS Nova on the flooding in Venice. All about sea level rise without a single mention about the well documented subsidence.
PBS where all nature shows are lectures about man made global warming. And everything else are lectures on intersectionality.
Venice is in almost as much strife as the Seychelles.
From the article: ““It seems to be that the whole natural dynamics of the coastline in some places have been accelerated by climate change,” Rob Woodside, English Heritage’s estates director, told BBC News.”
Rob seems to think he sees human-caused climate change. I would call that subjective, Rob. In fact, it has to be subjective, because there’s no evidence human-derived CO2 is causing changes in the natural dynamics of the coastline. Rob just thinks he sees human-caused climate change. A lot of people have this same problem. Too many people. Based on nothing.
Let’s be kind to Rob. Perhaps he thinks climate change is rubbish – but he needs to raise money for maintenance work on his castles. How to do it? Talk about climate change affecting your properties and bingo individuals and maybe even government will cough up. Or on the other hand…..
Tom Abbott you are spot on .I’ve met these ‘ climate change temporal chauvinists ” Its like they have found a surrogate religion According to a study published in The Conversation only 17% of the British Isles coastlines are affected by coastal erosion The geomorphology of Britains coastlines has nothing to do with anthropogenic warming but rather the post glacial isostatic subduction of the land and the crumbly soils of particular coastlines [ for example Holderness Moreover if you look closely at the construction and major renovation dates of the six coastal castles and fortresses [ out of 400] , English Heritage and the BBC highlighted as “at risk ” from ‘accelerating climate change ” they all date [ I catalogued them on Paul Homewoods page ] to the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age when shorelines had RECEDED from the sea transgression peaks of the Roman occupation and the early Byzantine era ..Allow me to quote Judith Curry : ” in early Roman times levels were somewhere around current levels . Levels then rose significantly through the Roman period peaking around the 700 AD Byzantine period at levels higher than today “
Here is some more for you. Just outstanding!
Do you think this woman paused for even a moment to ask why she was interviewing a kid in her pajamas about how to control the weather?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1579898695134638082
Just to be clear I am not on twitter. Rantingly a Conservative news conglomeration site, puts of various tweets.
How did the kid get into her pajamas?
A bit over 300 years ago, children in their pajamas had the solution. They identified witches in Salem which were causing bad weather and ill omens of all kinds. Their parents promptly executed the witches and glorified the children for their precociousness. Except for the lack of the death penalty, things haven’t changed much.
migrant invaders are a bigger problem
If you go on a geographical map of Britain you will find that the bases of most castles are 20-30 feet above sea level. This includes features such as jetties that should have the sea lapping up against them. No medieval castle maker would put space for a car park or a road around their castle (Conwy castle) or the water gate half a mile inland (Harlech). Further North, Old Caerlaverock Castle should have the sea coming pretty much up to it. In the South, Rochester Castle has a road between it and the sea.
Most of these castles were built on rock and that only moves at a plate tectonics level. The changes in Britain’s height over 800 years does not explain the how much the sea has gone down since they were built.
Historians have claimed for centuries that old European ports have silted up. Yes they did fill with earth and trees, but only after the sea went away. It is not like medieval port authorities used dredgers to keep them free of silt- the sea did that itself.
It is almost like there is some form of natural cycle that makes the sea go up and down over hundreds/thousands of years. Compared to the natural variations, a small change due to global warming means very little. The sea will not reach these castles in my lifetime.
England is sinking and Scotland is rebounding
“Here in the UK, the process is fastest in northeastern Scotland, where some beaches remarkably exist a few metres above the current sea level.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1522009/sea-level-warning-england-sink-scotland-rise-isostatic-rebound-ice-age-spt
None of this is anything new.
Exactly. Too many folk judge nature by the happenings during their pathetically-short 70 year lifetime, when the effect over many thousands of years is far less noticeable to them. Hence the panic over the occasional drought or rainstorm.
And in the third photo it is possible to see the sea has washed away the shingle up to the castle wall. There were no artificial sea defences at the point where the wall was undercut by the sea. There was NO sea level rise causing this. This is a case of coastal erosion undercutting some very heavy stone work that had no protection. Case Closed.
“Climate change” as a threat to anything is pure BS. Thus far, the proponents have not been able to factually prove that any damage to anything is due to the imagined boogeyman, “climate change”.
Just hyperbole, accompanied by alarmism and the legacy media printing big headlines wherever they can manage it.
Along with the hype of the scamdemic(covid), which is coming to light, makes one think that maybe the “scientists” are really nothing more than overpaid snake oil salesmen.
Just sayin’.
Used to walk the dogs along the spit and at Hengistbury further west (my last dog’s favourite place on earth). It is a well known erosion area. Every time you walk the coast is different.
I learned about this sort of thing when I was grade-school aged. One would almost suspect that the degradation of education at all levels was a plot to make this sort of alarmism an easy sell.
If you look at photo 3 (before the collapse) you see a bouldered revetment that sank underwater, with a gap in it, and water incursion behind it. The rest of the shore has more substatial revetments. This was just a case of nobody minding the store or ignoring the obvious risk.
Send money because of climate change misinformation.
Speaking of decline…..
WSJ
“The data is very clear: America can no longer take for granted its decadeslong dominance of world higher education and research, and it is China that is leading the challenge,” said Phil Baty, the rankings editor. “If current trends remained the same, we would see China overtaking the U.S. in the coming years.”
The number of Chinese scholarly publications has been growing steadily since the mid-1990s, but as recently as this year it was widely believed in the Western academic community that the quality of Chinese scholarship still lagged behind Western nations.
Then a paper published this spring in the journal Scientometrics, which studies the quantitative features and characteristics of science and scientific research, found that China has overtaken the U.S. as the world leader in scientific research output of “high impact” studies.
“It was a real surprise,” said Caroline Wagner, co-author of the paper and a professor at The Ohio State University, who conducts research about science and technology and its relationship to policy.
Not only was China producing more research than the U.S. and Europe overall but a higher percentage of that research was among the top 1% of papers most cited globally. Dr. Wagner and her colleagues found that China surpassed Europe in high-quality research in 2015 and the U.S. in 2019.
“The work coming out of China is getting better,” said Dr. Wagner. “We are now seeing China able to produce that kind of quality work and they are doing it at scale.”
Western leaders should pay attention.
Everyone in the West should pay attention.
It really shouldn’t come as much of a surprise given that thousands of Chinese students have been educated in western universities for decades. If they didn’t want this to happen then they really should have stopped taking the money years ago.
Is China getting better or is the US getting worse?
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I’d say it’s both.
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Some interesting non-climate related research papers are posted here on WUWT, and we often see the obligatory “CO2 and Climate Change is somehow involved” boilerplate that is included just to get funded or published. I don’t think China has that problem.
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Climate Ca$h is causing untold harm to scientific research here in the US and other Western nations.
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Most of that Climate Ca$h is funding research that supports the “CO2 causes everything bad” narrative. Relatively little is used to fund researchers who are actually trying to figure out how it (climate) all works.
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China is getting better. Where’s the surprise in that, Dr. Wagner?
BS !
Castles can defend themselves against any aggression thanks to methane emitters :
Amusing illustration… the’re digging deep… called out.
Almost every AGW model has over shot the mark.
We’ve had over 20 years of models… failing.
Most famous, Al Gore’s ‘an inconvenient truth’
They want to destroy our standard of living.
“Hurst Castle” is a misnomer – it’s actually a coastal artillery fort, not a fortified home for any lords of medieval Europe. Being placed right on the beach, of course it is subject to normal standard, non-global warming erosional and depositional forces, just like every other beach in the world. It’s been rebuilt and repaired several times over the centuries.
But a threatened castle sounds much more dramatic than a threatened coastal fort, even if it is commonly referred to as a castle.
I don’t understand the concern over Tintagel as it is placed almost entirely high up on top of cliffs hundreds of feet high. The name literally means, in Welsh, “house on a mountain”!!! It’s supposedly the birthplace of legendary King Arthur, the home of his father Pendragon. In any event, the partially excavated ruins of a 12th century castle there are certainly not at any risk of ocean flooding.
Exactly. I visited it this summer, first there isn’t a castle just some ruins and foundations, and yes they are hundreds of feet above the sea and its solid rock, not going anywhere.
This story is a complete joke.
But of course it is.
Give me a look at the civil engineering drawings, geotechnical reports and soils studies and I will give you an assessment which might just not agree with climate change being the cause.
This is why engineers use the “Coastal Engineering Manual” (and previously used the “Shore Protection Manual”) https://www.publications.usace.army.mil/USACE-Publications/Engineer-Manuals/u43544q/636F617374616C20656E67696E656572696E67206D616E75616C/ whereas people at BBC haven’t a clue about engineering or this discipline for how to try protect the shoreline against the ravages of Mother Nature.
The lying and cheating never end, it is disgusting.