Fed Up British Drivers Unglue Climate Protestors the Hard Way

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart; Faced with repeated police inaction towards disruptive climate protestors, a handful of British drivers have taken the law into their own hands, dragging “Just Stop Oil” protestors from the streets.

‘Where’s the Police?’ – Public Drag Climate Activists Blocking Traffic Out of Road Themselves

By JACK MONTGOMERY 9 Oct 2022

Members of the public lost patience with ‘Just Stop Oil’ climate change activists blocking traffic in London, dragging them bodily from the road in the absence of police action.

Protesters from the Extinction Rebellion splinter group Just Stop Oil, who have previouslyblockaded oil depots and glued themselves to historic paintings, had sprawled themselves across the road to prevent ordinary commuters from travelling in London as part of what they have described as an ongoing “occuptation” of the capital until their demands that no new oil or gas extraction licences be granted are met.

Police have often failed to act swiftly during such actions, with members of the public angered at seeing law enforcement protect protesters or even actively assist them in accessing and blocking major highways in the past.

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/10/09/wheres-the-police-public-drag-climate-activists-blocking-traffic-out-road-themselves/

“Just Stop Oil” video of the incidents;

This action echoes the recent action of a DC commuter rushing to help her sick mum, who used the threat of a gun to get through the protest line.

I don’t advise anyone to copy these actions. The people dragging or threatening protestors could face prosecution, fines, civil suits and possible jail time.

But none of this would have happened if the police were doing their job right.

I fully support the right of climate protestors to stage a march, or wave a few banners from the sidewalk. But nobody should be allowed to indefinitely block roads and disrupt the lives of ordinary people.

It is time for police chiefs to step up and let their officers do their jobs, before someone gets killed.

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MarkW
October 9, 2022 6:04 pm

As the police officers who tried to arrest George Floyd found out, just doing your job can get you in a lot of trouble when you are dealing with politically protected minorities.

I can’t imagine how tough life is for police officers in any city run by a leftist.

MarkH
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 9, 2022 7:54 pm

Floyd is deified by the left. As the Soviets put it, criminals were considered “socially friendly elements”. The same is true these days for violent criminals who are also members of certain minority groups. Today’s Marxism is a social Marxism, where the divide between the oppressor and oppressed runs along social lines rather than economic. Repressive Tolerance is deployed to simultaneously excuse any behavior on the Left and persecute even the thought of Right leaning behavior. It’s getting worse, but more and more people are starting to take notice, hopefully enough remember why Marxism is such a bad idea before we have to learn from experience again.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  MarkH
October 10, 2022 4:36 pm

“As the Soviets put it , criminals were considered socially friendly elements ” ……. Thats interesting I recently watched a documentary on the Gateway Pundit exposing how the British police media and “counter terrorism ‘ have consorted with the criminal gang Hope Not Hate – described as the ‘dirty tricks brigade of the British establishment and the recipients of funds from the British government “- who have doxed , blackmailed and bribed people [ to testify against targeted individuals ] and are now the subject of police investigations themselves ..The former Rebel News journalist Caolan Robertson revealed how he was sexually molested and blackmailed into working with HNH to then liase with a media source Nick Lowles the CEO of HNH was accused of contacting the Gambinos – a Pakistani heroin trafficking gang as a source He seemed nervous about that on camera ..Then again the British police have morphed into a sad caricature of the Iron Curtain regime police forces havent they Mark ?.. Right down to the Zersetzun methods , the framing of innocent citizens [ Ian Puddick and Operation Midland ring a bell ?] ] and the criminals they employ as covert human intelligence sources who are permitted to commit a range of crimes with legal impunity …This “socially friendly ” policy goes all the way back to co ordinating with terrorist outfits in Northern Ireland and running protection rackets for the pedophiles abusing boys in the Kincorra Childrens Home …… Im surprised Eric Worrall that you [ Hot Scot I can understand ] and others fell for Mark’s diversionary tactic right at the beginning of the thread immediately steering the discussion to the George Floyd affair and away from the appalling state of political policing and soft pedaling attitude to radical environmentalist extremists in the United Kingdom ….. …Look at the sequence of the thread

Duker
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 9, 2022 10:40 pm

Floyd never had a gun when he was killed by police The store called the police because they thought he passed a counterfeit bill
He served time for his earlier crimes

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Duker
October 9, 2022 11:09 pm

He died from a drug overdose – not from the police.

chrism
Reply to  Brad-DXT
October 11, 2022 5:05 am

and was covid infected at the time of his arrest and was short of breath

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  chrism
October 13, 2022 5:32 am

He was dying of an overdose and could not breathe long before he acted up and had to be restrained on the ground. George Floyd was scum the left used as a martyr.

John Dilks
Reply to  Duker
October 10, 2022 12:04 am

Floyd committed suicide by drug overdose. He was a dead man walking when the police were called.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Duker
October 10, 2022 12:29 am

It is established that Floyd tried to pass a counterfeit $20 bill. He was violently resisting arrest when he died of heart failure due to fentanyl and meth intake.

b.nice
Reply to  Duker
October 10, 2022 4:45 am

The police told him to lie still.

He kept struggling, so the police continued to use a restraining position.

Only himself to blame for his heart not coping with his drug issues.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Duker
October 10, 2022 12:29 pm

But he has been defied as some sort of hero with the morals of a saint. It is twisted propaganda used by the hard left.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 10, 2022 2:18 am

My daughter is a serving Police Officer. She is often run off her feet, sometimes gets home from her shift several hours late, her force is underfunded and understaffed and despite a recruitment drive is not getting the new recruits necessary to fill the vacant posts.
And that is in rural Scotland. The cities are in a much poorer situation. If you were faced with having to decide whether to remove ER protesters from the highway or to assist in extracting a badly injured driver from a car crash, which would you choose?

michael hart
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 10, 2022 2:53 am

Especially if you know the public will do it for you. The problem is that the police may then find the time and resources to prosecute the public who do their job for them. In many areas of of the law the police do still have discretion available. It is how they use it that counts.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 10, 2022 12:03 pm

It isn’t that the police are elsewhere doing arguably more important tasks, it’s when they are on site, coddling the wee bairns who are making the public’s life a misery.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 10, 2022 12:30 pm

Respect to your daughter. The police have a thankless task.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
October 10, 2022 7:59 pm

. ” The police have a thankless task ” ? ……Does your daughter live near Rochdale or Rotheram ? I think he understands what I am hinting at there ….Not fooled and no respect from me and thousands of others who know how disgracefully incompetent politicized and corrupt the British police are. ………………” run off her feet …….underfunded ……understaffed ” ..,…..Where have I heard that flimsy excuse before ? Oh thats right .. The same rationale Sadiq Khan and the London Metropolitan Police command trotted out to sanitize their mysterious inability to crack down on violent crime in London while they spend an inordinate amount of time and resources harassing Britons for online jokes and memes , frolicking at Pride festivals , filing “non crime hate incident’ databases and partying with Extinction Rebellion activists instead of arresting them …At least this time around they decided not to join in the festivities and make fools of themselves …… ” RAVING MAD : Fury as cops dance and skateboard with Extinction Rebellion London protesters they’re meant to be arresting as eco -warriors take over Vauxhall Bridge , The Sun ,18 April 2019 ” …………………” Police have been ordered to arrest the protesters – but have instead been filmed dad dancing , requesting songs and pumping their fists in the air as campaigners chant ” we love you ” ………..” The footage flies in the face of Mayor Sadiq Khans moans of overworked officers struggling to cope with the rising tide of knife crime due to Government funding cuts ” ………………….Yes what a “thankless task ” .. Lazy ,cowardly woke cops congratulated and cheered on by a millenarian cult categorized by a Policy Exchange review and counter terrorism specialists as an extremist organization dedicated to subverting democracy ….It is now known courtesy of Tweets issued by police commissioners and assistant commissioners that UK police are encouraged to participate in festivals and rallies in illegal defiance of policing guidelines …Unless you happen to be lesbians who upset a bunch of hysterical trannies in which case the police may order them to leave to protect the feelings of the trans community as occurred recently …..Is it any wonder civilians are forced to take matters into their own hands and physically remove these nutters from roads and train carriages ?..I will concur with Oldseadog on one point : the United Kingdoms cities are in much more pitiful condition …. Londons Scotland Yard do not just coddle extremists – they employ them ..Read the Christian Concern article ” Islamic extremism infiltrates the British Police “

Oldseadog
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 11, 2022 2:31 am

Stuart,
Rochdale is in Englandshire somewhere, not rural Scotland.
Understaffed …. Sometimes the night shift staff in an area 50 miles by 35 miles containing a busy Euroroute consists of one Police car containing two Officers.
You may call it a flimsy excuse.
I’m not going to comment on the rest of your post.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 11, 2022 3:45 am

Yes they are northern England towns ….The problem extends into Scotland though doesnt it Oldseadog ? Of course you will not comment on the remainder of my post. as the information is irrefutable and embarrassing ….The choice you offered – removing and arresting protesters vis a vis tending to an injured driver – is a deceptive false alternative and the situation in the cities of the United Kingdom where these millenarian fanatics run rampant while the police forces investigate internet thought crimes and party with these nutters on the streets is not really relevant to your daughters beat is it ?……It is a flimsy excuse ..Why wont you comment on the Sun report ?

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 11, 2022 3:48 am

Why do you think the British police are despised and ridiculed around the world Oldseadog ? ..One does not have to search too far

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 13, 2022 5:30 am

They don’t carry guns. I wouldn’t go near trouble if I were a policeman without a weapon. It’s just a job, they are not there to sacrifice their lives.

Andy Wilkins
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 11, 2022 4:38 am

Stuart,
Calm down dear!
I’m talking about the cops on the street – they’re hamstrung by their woke bosses.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Andy Wilkins
October 12, 2022 5:17 am

The cops on the street are not ‘hamstrung by their Woke bosses ” …They are encouraged by them and brainwashed in the police training colleges

Sunderlandsteve
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 11, 2022 12:24 pm

The problem is that they weren’t pulling someone from a crashed car though were they, they were on the scene just looking at the protesters instead of removing them!

Mike Maguire
Reply to  MarkW
October 9, 2022 6:38 pm

I am 100% for supporting cops.
Helping them to protect us with support… verbally, politically and financially.

Their job is to risk their lives to protect us from the parts of society that threatens law abiding citizens of all races, especially those in high crime areas. In the US, this often means protecting black people from other black people.
Since young black men commit violent crime at a 6 times higher rate than whites of the same age, confrontations between blacks and cops will also be elevated by that amount.

The intentional sensationalizing of these confrontations by the media and the politicizing of these confrontations by the far left agenda is a very sad reality.

However, you’re using an extremely bad false equivalency to site the cop(s) that murdered George Floyd as an example of cops doing their job and getting into trouble for it.

We should condemn bad cops like that and weed them out/get rid of them to help everybody. Make a clear distinction between those very few BAD cops, like Derek Chauvin and the VAST majority of really good cops. Not try to justify what happened in a situation like that based on being just as extreme with denial as the far left is with their extreme attack on our law enforcing hero’s.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 9, 2022 6:58 pm

Murder requires intent to kill.

Floyd died because he overdosed on drugs.

Even IF the officers involved were negligent or, even, reckless, they did not murder him.

And just as the media’s mis-reporting tricked people into falsely condemning the officers for doing their job,

so, too, the leftist-run media would mischaracterize the police for responding vigorously to the domestic terrorists styling themselves “protesters.”

Mark’s analogy is spot on.

Dennis G. Sandberg
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 9, 2022 7:44 pm

At the time of the arrest the “neck suppression technique” was a Police Department approved procedure. A careful examination of the video clearly shows the pressure being applied to the back of the neck and in no way restricting the windpipe, The judgement error was the proximity of fumes from the tailpipe on an idling police car. The Officer was convicted because the jurors didn’t trust the police to protect them and their families and for “riot control”. Just another example of America’s Institution breakdown IMHO.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Dennis G. Sandberg
October 9, 2022 8:50 pm

Dennis, your “The Officer was convicted because the jurors didn’t trust the police to protect them and their families and for “riot control”. [sic]” is bullshit. See my above response to Janice.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Dennis G. Sandberg
October 9, 2022 11:17 pm

There are NO ‘fumes’ from a modern tailpipe.

Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 10, 2022 3:08 am

(Long, drawn out whistle through purséd lips, note falling as we go)
Wow!

Jack Frost
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 10, 2022 3:18 am

There are NO ‘fumes’ from a modern tailpipe.

So why the propaganda around EV in towns and cities? No fumes, no problems with exhaust pollution, so let’s carry on driving ICE vehicles please

BobM
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 10, 2022 7:14 am

Yes there are, and carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide are among the tailpipe gases. I watched most of the trial, and the prosecution asserted that Floyd died because Chauvin’s knee interfered with his breathing and he died of asphyxiation. Floyd’s blood carbon dioxide level was cited as being high. The defense raised the issue that elevated carbon dioxide could be due to the proximity of the running police car exhaust causing lowered oxygen, and not intent to suffocate or certainly not murder Floyd.

That caused the prosecution to introduce new evidence that had not been given to the defense, showing Floyd’s blood oxygen at 98% of normal, meaning he did not die of asphyxiation as they had led everyone to believe. This almost caused a mis-trial, but by then the jury wasn’t going to listen to anything other than Chauvin was guilty, and the defense that Floyd died of cardiac arrest due to drugs, an enlarged heart, etc., though it was probably the actual cause of death, wasn’t accepted. The showing that oxygen level was relatively normal would also have meant a change to the cause of death on the death certificate, removing the reference to “neck restraint” and “compression”, all of which may have changed the original reason for death from “homicide” to “accident”, and of course, not murder.

Bryan A
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 10, 2022 7:32 am

Not quite…
Average tailpipe emissions of CO2 run at about 14%. This is 140,000ppm. It s generally considered that concentrations above 40,000ppm (4%) is considered toxic and immediately dangerous. Your respiration is at about 44,000 ppm with every exhalation so can be toxic in small enclosed spaces over time

Ron Long
Reply to  Dennis G. Sandberg
October 10, 2022 2:56 am

Another Police Department aspect of the “neck suppression technique” was a caution against releasing the control technique until help arrives (in the Floyd case medical help) as the person so restrained became extra violent and non-compliant. Floyd had told his girlfriend that he was going to swallow any drugs he had with him if confronted by police, which he did.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 9, 2022 8:47 pm

Janice, please, this is not accurate.

“Chauvin was arrested on May 29, 2020,[14] and initially charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter,[15][16] making him the first white police officer in Minnesota to be charged with murdering a black civilian.[17][18] On June 3, charges were amended to include second-degree murder, specifically unintentional second-degree murder while attempting to commit felony assault.[”

“Second degree murder is the criminal act of killing another person with intent, but without pre-meditation. In simple terms, a person can face second degree murder charges if he intentionally causes another person to lose his life, with no pre-planning, or without taking an opportunity to put some thought into it.”

It was determined by the jury that Chauvin killed Floyd with intent in convicting him of second degree murder: When Floyd became unresponsive but Chauvin continued his neck pressure, it became intentional. The whole thing was recorded.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 8:54 pm

The evidence didn’t matter, that jury was going to convict.

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
October 9, 2022 9:03 pm

Bullshit speculation.

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 9:51 pm

Now do Mohammed Noor who had his Murder 2 vacated by SCOMN and was released after serving fewer than 5 years in prison for the inexcusable execution of Justine Damond. The exact same applies in this case but don’t expect a similar ruling.

And the judge denying a change of venue from Hennipen County isn’t “bullshit speculation” much as you’d like to pretend it didn’t happen.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
October 9, 2022 10:04 pm

SCOMN has nothing to do with Minnesota.

You said nothing about denying a change of venue when I responded to your comment. Anyway, it doesn’t change the facts of the matter.

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BobM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 9:26 am

The SCOMN (Supreme Court of Minnesota) has nothing to do with Minnesota?

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the trial yourself and only got the MSM’s (Main Stream Media) take on it, that Chauvin was undoubtedly guilty regardless of what the actual evidence showed, very much like CO2 is undoubtedly guilty regardess of what the actual evidence shows.

Dave Fair
Reply to  BobM
October 10, 2022 11:53 pm

My mistake: I thought SCOMN referred to a military unit.

I know nothing about Mohammid Noor and don’t care to get into a dissection of the Minnesota Supreme Court. That has nothing to do with the instant case of Chauvin’s conviction.

BobM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 9:18 am

The Noor case might have some post-conviction relevance. Noor, a black cop shot and killed a white woman who had called 911 about a disturbance behind her residence. As she approached the police car on the driver’s side, Noor, in the passenger side, shot across the front of his partner and killed the woman without provocation, no weapon, nothing but his panicking. His conviction was overturned in part by the SCOMN. Read it, as it had an effect on the charging of Chauvin and could effect an appeal on his part.
An uninterested observer would wonder at the difference in reaction to a “black killed by a white cop” vs. the “white killed by a black cop”. Whites didn’t protest, riot, burn anything down, set out to defund police or revere a convict and drug abuser, when the Australian woman, visiting the US, was killed by a panicky cop.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 1:06 pm

Just paying attention to the facts, something the jury had no interest in doing.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 9:42 pm

There was no intent to kill. Therefore, not murder.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 9, 2022 9:57 pm

“Whoever does either of the following [in Minnesota] is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense …”

The jury determined Chauvin was committing a felony assault on Floyd with his continued pressure with his knee.

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 10:04 pm

Yes, the very unbiased Hennipen county jury.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
October 9, 2022 10:22 pm

Prove they were biased. The judge determined the opposite.

BobM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 11:47 am

You mean like the guy wearing the Black Lives Matter T-shirt at the Floyd demonstration just weeks before and lied about it? That guy was not biased? You can’t be serious. Got a bridge for you in Brooklyn.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 10:15 pm

Look, people, I’m not defending Floyd or his actions both before and after his arrest. I am presenting the legal issues as determined under Minnesota law and the facts as determined by the jury. My personal opinion is that 3rd degree murder or, better, manslaughter would be more appropriate charges. But it wasn’t my call.

Teddy Lee
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 2:25 am

Be honest Dave. You are defending Floyd.

michael hart
Reply to  Teddy Lee
October 10, 2022 3:48 am

To be fair to Dave Fair, I do think he is defending the application of the Law. What the Judge and Jury really thought, I don’t know.

I do know that I wouldn’t like to do the policeman’s job with someone like Floyd. I also know I wouldn’t want to live in a community policed by people like Chauvin. The name seems a little bit French to me.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  michael hart
October 10, 2022 12:04 pm

“I do know that I wouldn’t like to do the policeman’s job.” Agree. Police operate at the interface of the civilized world and the wilderness. In the West, people have come to expect government services to put out the fires only to see healthy forests overgrown with downed timber and invasive species. And the interface grows more and more dangerous.

The interventions of police into all parts of the city have become so infrequent, arbitrary and selective that when they do appear to put out spot fires like this low level crime, the mobs have already gathered with their cell phones (see the woman “planted” in the video evidently in collaboration with protestors). My personal preference would be to see more pervasive low level prevalence of police in all areas of the cities. “Stop and frisk”, “broken windows”, etc. were functional strategies which demanded a regular benign police presence which handled the minor offenders – the loiterers, graffiti “artists”, jaywalkers, and idiot protestors blocking normal commerce. So they were rarely called upon to put out a major conflagration.

Meanwhile, I have to wonder about all those people standing around taking videos. Was that the best they could do?

Dave Fair
Reply to  Teddy Lee
October 10, 2022 11:39 pm

Teddy, FU2.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 1:07 pm

I agree that the jury convicted them. Your belief that this proves they were guilty is not supported.

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2022 11:41 pm

I think a conviction is support enough for my position. Read closer.

Bryan A
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 7:45 am

I guess then, by that definition, it is a felony offence to subdue a known violent and combative offender and arrest them. Since your included definition…
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense
Indicates you believe so

Dave Fair
Reply to  Bryan A
October 10, 2022 11:43 pm

Subdue is not kneeling on a person for 2 minutes after they stop moving and are unresponsive. Once they are subdued, one must cease punitive measures.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 11:09 am

With all due respect for your deep distress about the Floyd incident, I suggest you read about the mens rea of “intent.”

Dave Fair
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 10, 2022 11:44 pm

Please read the above definition of 2nd degree murder in Minnesota: Intent is not required.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 12, 2022 10:53 am

Further, that Minnesota has coined a term “unintentional murder” does not make it common law “murder.” That is a misnomer.

Intent to kill is required to “murder.”

Anyway, Mr. Fair, I will just drop this, now. You are clearly VERY upset about what happened to Mr. Floyd. I, on the other hand, am VERY upset about what happened to the police officers involved and NOT ONE BIT upset about what happened to Floyd.

Let’s stay “friends,” okay? And just agree, here, to disagree on this one.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 13, 2022 9:50 am

OK, Janice, friends!

BTW, I’m not “upset” about what happened to Floyd; I think it is cosmic justice. I’m happy that a violent criminal is no longer around to terrorize the community. It is sad, though, that Chauvin went too far in restraining him and has to pay the price.

Floyd (and many others) should never have been let out after his last vacation at public expense which allowed him to rest-up, buff-up and learn new criminal skills. But its up to our merely-mortal justice system to punish people, not the cosmos nor us in the peanut gallery.

FJB, F Leftists, and vote Republican!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 10:09 pm

My 2nd and 3rd paragraph in the response to Janice are in error and reflect my referencing and interpreting general 2nd degree murder law. My 1st paragraph describes Minnesota 2nd degree murder law under which Chauvin was convicted.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 11:56 pm

Dave,
In my opinion, if a person lives out most of their life as a criminal and subsequently gets mistreated by the police, it is not an injustice to justify turning society upside-down. Going to prison should not be considered as payment-in-full for a crime, wiping out the blame and shame. A person who commits crimes and goes to prison for it ought to spend the rest of their lives feeling regret and shame for their mistakes, hoping to make amends, grateful for a second chance. They certainly should not be putting themselves into a situation where they are acting belligerently toward police, resisting arrest, after their fifth or sixth chance or whatever. No one should be canonizing a repeat offender who died in part (at least) of a drug overdose resisting arrest.

Your point that there are bad police officers who should not be supported is correct in principle. But it’s not the principle that I would emphasize.

TonyG
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 1:12 pm

I’m just curious, Dave, what would you have had the police do?

Dave Fair
Reply to  TonyG
October 10, 2022 11:46 pm

Stop kneeling on him when Floyd was subdued, unmoving and unresponsive. Police are not judge, jury and executioner.

TonyG
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 5:18 am

And what is your experience dealing with these sort of situations that leads you to think that is the correct course of action?

Dave Fair
Reply to  TonyG
October 11, 2022 1:38 pm

Following the rules of war when in actual combat. There were rules about what we could and couldn’t do to prisoners, including their restraint.

Would you or, in your estimation, a reasonable person continue to apply physical, bodily restraint when your subject is unmoving and non-responsive? If you would do so, how long would you keep doing it?

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TonyG
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 12, 2022 5:20 am

“Following the rules of war when in actual combat”

Which while your service is admirable, it is not policing. Nor was Floyd a prisoner in the sense you’re using. Bob addressed the rules. They were followed.

Dave Fair
Reply to  TonyG
October 12, 2022 9:08 am

It is obvious for all to see that “the rules” don’t include significant physical restraint for over 9 minutes, about 2 of which occurred after Floyd was unmoving and unresponsive. Why do you people continue attempting to defend the indefensable?

TonyG
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 12, 2022 1:29 pm

Others have addressed everything you said yet you continue to ignore their points, including the rules (what procedural rule did he violate? Be specific, please) and the responsiveness.

I find it incomprehensible that you can’t allow even the possibility of at least some jury bias given the political and social situation at the time. And I can’t understand how, after the definitions of the crimes charged have been offered, you continue to insist the jury was correct in all of its verdicts.

Dave Fair
Reply to  TonyG
October 13, 2022 10:11 am

What does it matter my opinion? The appellate courts will sort through the speculative issues spewed out on this Thread.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 12, 2022 10:48 am

He was VERY responsive. Ridiculously yelling (as if one could and not breathe), “I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe.”)

Ruleo
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 16, 2022 4:23 pm

There is no “law” or “rules” in war you comically ignorant fool.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Ruleo
October 16, 2022 5:22 pm

1) Geneva Convention.

2) “PRISONERS
OF
WAR
SEPTEMBER 1991
DISTRIBUTION RESTRICTION: Approved for public release, distribution is unlimited.
*TC 27-10-2 Training Circular HEADQUARTERS 27-10-2 DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Washington, DC, 17 September 1991
PRISONERS OF WAR
TABLE OF CONTENTS”

“The purpose of this circular is to help you as officers and noncommissioned officers to continuously train and educate yourselves and your soldiers in the laws concerning prisoners of war (PWs). This publication covers the following topics:
Rights and duties of PWs. •
Laws governing treatment· of PWs, including standards of conduct for captured United States (US) PWs.”

Ruleo, have you ever been in combat? Or even the military? I have combat-related scars and a Purple Heart to prove I served in combat. F-off Troll.

Cool Tolerance
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 10:18 pm

Don’t forget that there was so much activity occurring around Chauvin, people screaming non-stop at him, and the area is not a police-friendly area.

I do agree with the manslaughter charge. He most certainly didn’t intend to kill him, only restrain him.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Cool Tolerance
October 11, 2022 1:55 pm

I tend to agree with you, but that’s not the call made under Minnesota law. We cannot, however, substitute our feelings for State law and its enforcement by prosecutors, judicial interpretations and factfinding by juries. You may speculate as to when juries are biased but its still not your call.

HotScot
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 4:35 am

Stripping a passage from Wikipedia with no attribution is not only transparent, it’s dishonest. Apart from that, Wikipedia is a left wing outlet, so fully on board with the persecution of the police and unwilling to present a balanced view on many subjects.

Mike Maguire
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 9, 2022 10:57 pm

Floyd died because he overdosed on drugs.

That’s a made up story with no legit. evidence. Just something repeated over and over and believed by people that want it to be true and based on the green responses here, that’s a hell of a lot of people.

People that won’t do a basic fact check to find out that its wrong because they want it to be true.
Here, let me do the fact check for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/

LarryP
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2022 12:03 am

Reading a newspaper fact check does not mean it’s true.

The medical examiner testified in court that he had wrote that if Mr. Floyd and been found in his home, he would have ruled it an overdose. Floyd had a severe blockage of a heart artery which was a contributing factor he died while the officers were on him. The whole case was politically driven, look at the attorneys who argued for the state. If Floyd had cooperated with the officers and sat in the back seat of the patrol car, it’s my belief he would have been found unresponsive in the back seat while the officers were taking witness statements.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2022 12:17 am

Mike, by your own “evidence”, he had fentanyl in his blood. He was resisting arrest, and was a repeat offender. Do you want us to believe that those facts are also irrelevant as mitigating factors in the actions taken by the police? It’s probably correct that a claim of death by overdose is inaccurate.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2022 2:55 am

thats funny cos the autopsy I read clearly showed very high drugs and hed admitted to swallowing the stash on him as they hauled him over

HotScot
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2022 4:38 am

What independent body does the fact checking community answer to?

Oh! None. They can write what they want.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2022 1:12 pm

Politifact has recently been caught telling whoppers in their reviews, and unsurprisingly, all of their “errors” help the socialists.

MarkW
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2022 1:10 pm

USA Today, a low budget wikipedia.

The first autopsy found that his death was caused by heart attack, then the government brought in an outside expert who ruled that the case was homicide.

Teddy Lee
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 10, 2022 2:21 am

Mostly peaceful protests comes to mind.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Janice Moore
October 10, 2022 7:40 am

Not even a whisper from the crowds of BLM protesters baying for blood after Floyd’s death about the millions of blacks killed by fellow blacks in various African countries since Ghana became independent in 1957.

MarkW
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
October 10, 2022 1:12 pm

Heck, they ignore all the blacks killing blacks in this country.

Steve Case
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 9, 2022 7:27 pm

However, you’re using an extremely bad false equivalency to site the cop(s) that murdered George Floyd as an example of cops doing their job and getting into trouble for it.
_____________________________________________________

George Floyd autopsy report.

Joel
Reply to  Steve Case
October 9, 2022 7:47 pm

What was that large amount of bread like material in the stomach? Never saw a report on it. I wrote Chavin’s lawyer about that. Never heard a thing.

Steve Case
Reply to  Joel
October 9, 2022 8:36 pm

What was that large amount of bread like material in the stomach?
_____________

Obviously I don’t know.

I decided to just post the link to the autopsy without any attempt to lead anyone to a specific conclusion. It speaks for itself.

No one
Reply to  Steve Case
October 9, 2022 9:03 pm

Agreed.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Case
October 9, 2022 8:55 pm

The second autopsy report, after pressure was put on the coroner to come up with the politically correct result.

Steve Case
Reply to  MarkW
October 9, 2022 9:21 pm

You have a linky pooh to both?

Plebney
Reply to  Steve Case
October 9, 2022 11:15 pm

Do your own research a-hole.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Case
October 10, 2022 7:11 pm

To someone who asks nicely, I would have provided it.
To someone who insists on acting like an asshat, do your own damn research.

robin townsend
Reply to  Steve Case
October 10, 2022 12:58 am

so, lets be clear from the summary;
no significant blunt force injuries.
no life threatening injuries
loadsa life threatening medical conditions
enough fentanyl to kill a horse.

DonM
Reply to  robin townsend
October 10, 2022 9:35 am

… and no significant abrasions on the side of his head as the “out of control cop shoved his knee hard enuf onto the side of his neck to cause asphyxiation”.

BobM
Reply to  Steve Case
October 10, 2022 11:41 am

There’s more to the story than just the autopsy report.

The Death Certificate lists “Other Contributing Conditions: Arteriosclerotic and Hypertensive Heart Disease; Fentanyl Intoxication; Recent Methamphetamine Use”

Any fair-minded juror, or not a scared-to-vote-not-guilty juror, would have to have reasonable doubt by that alone. Then, ON THE LAST DAY of testimony, the prosecution introduced previously undisclosed evidence that Floyd’s blood oxygen level was at 98%, and that it was in fact unlikely he died of asphyxiation. This was to refute the defense’s expert testimony that proximity to the police car’s exhaust could have contributed to the elevated CO2 in the bloodstream previously introduced by the prosecution, while insinuating the lack of oxygen showed asphyxiation by kneeling on the neck.

If you watched/listened to the actual trial, then did same via the MSM nightly news you came away hearing none of the exculpatory evidence, including the serioius nature of damage to Floyd’s heart, the long-standing drug abuse damage, and nature of fentanyl poisoning and meth use, not necessarily overdose, but the slowing of the respiratory system, difficultly breathing, etc.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 9, 2022 8:06 pm

Not sure why you’re getting negged, Mike (as will I, I guess). Spot on. The overwhelming number of good cops have received endless grief when addressing situations that most of us couldn’t possibly handle.

So it’s important to weed out bad cops like Chauvin in order to maintain the credibility of the rest. Just because Floyd was a terrible person who had committed terrible crimes doesn’t mean what happened to him was justified. Even if it wasn’t 100% clear how he died, kneeling on his chest like that was not a valid restraint at that point and is not how cops are taught to handle that situation.

Our country’s recent crime wave is the direct result of how the media has covered the Floyd case and the consequent rioting. The media encouraged and filmed these riots, smug and secure and delighted with the ratings.

And now that their ratings are gone and the president they wanted is doing his best to convert our economy to a graft-based socialist/nepotism hellhole, all they do is blame the evil orange boogieman for their own problems.

Last edited 3 months ago by Joe Gordon
Cool Tolerance
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 9, 2022 10:41 pm

I don’t agree. The off-the-chart crime waves are carried out mostly by young African-Americans who lack structure and values in their life. They are all ‘hood’ people.

Add to that the Critical Race Theory taught in our school system where Whites are demonized and cornered into silence often by their own ‘Woke’ race, the door is wide open for chaos.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Cool Tolerance
October 10, 2022 6:23 am

And why have the percentage of African-Americans who lack structures and values suddenly increased their rate of violent crime?

It’s because the media, which is a reflection of ivory tower white sentiment (call it the woketocracy) continually presents a false narrative. They present this narrative as “fact”, and we certainly see the same mechanism with climate doom, and all of a sudden, cops are demonized, DAs stop prosecuting serious crimes and parole boards and dumb governors open up the jails.

Woketocracy -> Criminals back on the street -> More Crime.

It’s a fairly simple relationship. And it illustrates why race is such a stupid construct. The woketocracy calls us “white supremacists” if we dare question their narrative. But it was never about race. It was about crime.

In a healthy world, people don’t align by race. They align by geography, by shared values. It’s the woketocracy that makes this about race. Just like raving antisemites like Bernie Sanders can be Jewish themselves, but their political views (how dare a capitalist society succeed despite enormous odds) lead them to support the worst of the antisemitic tropes.

DonM
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 10, 2022 9:37 am

Reason #1

They (the criminals) are shown that they will not be held accountable.

HotScot
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 10, 2022 4:44 am

Talking from considerable experience as an ex cop, I can promise you one thing, I would have done the same as Chauvin because to let a man as big as Floyd back to his feet whilst he was under the influence of drugs is a recipe for disaster.

I have arrested such characters and they are impervious to pain and somehow endowed with strength beyond what one could reasonably expect.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2022 6:27 am

I commend your courage and your service. But would you have continued that particular method of restraint for that length of time? Is that what you were trained to do?

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2022 7:57 am

Hot Scot , Derek Chauvin and George Floyd worked together as security staff in the same Minneapolis club ….There may have been animosity between the two

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 10, 2022 12:12 pm

“Objection, calls for speculation.”

MarkW
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 10, 2022 7:12 pm

Or they may have been best buds.
Or they may have never worked the same shift so never met each other.

See how much fun speculation can be?

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2022 8:40 pm

They did indeed work in the same time slots One was a door bouncer and the other interior security so it is inconceivable they had not met at least in staff meetings or club social gatherings …..Why would a ‘best buddy ” kneel on Floyds neck inflicting so much distress on him ? …. You have fun with your speculation Mark ..Some of us prefer it was predicated on commonsense and pursuable strands of inquiry …..Did you actually intend to distract and divert the discussion thread away from British policing incompetence and politically correct leniency toward Extinction Rebellion and the cults splinter groups …It is a classic political troll ruse

BobM
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 11, 2022 2:57 pm

OR, Chauvin may have seen Floyd take apart some local ruffian. Floyd was a bouncer.

At trial, one of the prosecution’s witnesses stated that the technique used was NOT lethal when done correctly, and that Chauvin was using it correctly. The Defense showed HE WAS NOT ON FLOYD’S NECK, as appears in the most popular videos, nor on his chest, but on his shoulder blade as shown in views from a different angle. The suspect is NOT supposed to be let up until help arrived, in this case medical because it was believed he was under the influence of drugs. Testimony also said that even those who seemed to be not responsive can easily turn on an officer as HotScot says above.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  BobM
October 12, 2022 5:49 am

Floyd and Chauvin were both bouncers at the same club .Witnesses testified that Chauvin had the irascible aggressive temperament as a club security. hand . Why dont you ask “Hot Scot ” what his impression of Putins dictatorship and the Russian police might be ….You could always read the comments thread under Paul Homewoods blog article ” Putin Has Europe Where He Wants It” ..

DonM
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2022 9:43 am

I think (I hope) you would have altered your restraint after he passed out and peed himself (and maybe called for the medical tech).

I think you may have had awareness of tailpipe exhaust.

I think you may have deferred to the medical tech once it became apparent that Floyd wasn’t faking his issues.

… but, given the mob environment, maybe you wouldn’t have seen things clearly either.

Robert Austin
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 10, 2022 5:16 pm

Joe Gordon,
“kneeling on his chest”
That does not remotely describe how Floyd was restrained.

Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 9, 2022 8:29 pm

If anyone should have been in the dock for murder – or what it MIGHT conceivably be charged as manslaughter – it would have been those who approved that method of suspect restraint and arranged training for same.

But putting the Mayor, Police Commissioner, and the Chief in jail just is not done, is it?

Dave Fair
Reply to  writing observer
October 9, 2022 10:32 pm

Chauvin was not trained to hold his knee to a suspects neck for over 9 minutes, and to continue kneeling on the suspect for about 2 minutes after the suspect was unmoving and non-responsive. That is felony assault.

Christ, people, quit trying to defend the indefensible. Until I followed the trial and saw the evidence I, too, believed Chauvin was being railroaded. But I have those old fashioned traits of being able to change my mind with new information and, additionally, to avoid ideological traps of my own making. Being human, I’m not perfect but I do try.

Mike Maguire
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 11:29 pm

Dave,
It’s just amazing how people will decide what they want to believe in, then ignore facts and refuse to do objective fact checks that contradict what they want to believe in.

But everybody that does this, quickly recognizes when others do it.

As somebody that strongly supports law enforcement, sees the massive abuse they get and has several cops for friends, I didn’t want Chauvin to be guilty.

But facts are facts.

You really have to be ignoring blatantly clear facts to watch the video and note Chauvin continuing to kneel on Floyd’s neck for an additional 2 minutes after he was unresponsive.
If you didn’t watch that video……then what planet were you on 2 years ago?

If you did watch and think that was good police work ……..then what planet are you still on (-:

None of this will change anybody’s mind. That’s impossible on this topic and it silly of me to even comment. On the other hand, sometimes its hard to not comment on bullshit.

MarkW
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2022 1:16 pm

It’s just amazing how people will decide what they want to believe in, then ignore facts and refuse to do objective fact checks that contradict what they want to believe in.

Now that is funny.

DonM
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 12, 2022 10:40 am

OK, let’s try one more scenario.

‘Chauvin is full of drugs also (the same kind/amount as Floyd). In the scuffle Chauvin has a heart attack and dies. Floyd does not die.”

Is Floyd guilty of 2nd degree murder, 3rd murder, or manslaughter?

LarryP
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 12:12 am

I watched the trail to and I’m interested. What testimony was presented that showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he had murdered Floyd? Did the defense present any evidence that gave you doubts of the case?

MarkW
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 9, 2022 8:53 pm

The cops did not murder Floyd. He died from a heart attack brought on by a drug overdose while resisting arrest.

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
October 9, 2022 10:17 pm

Not according to Minnesota law and the facts as determined by a jury.

John Dilks
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 12:10 am

The jury was afraid to not convict.

LarryP
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 12:14 am

In a highly politicized jury trail.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 1:17 pm

So in your opinion, juries are the ultimate deciders of reality?

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2022 12:26 am

Yes, they are under our Constitution. Juries determine facts within the dictates of applicable laws.

Cool Tolerance
Reply to  MarkW
October 9, 2022 10:44 pm

Also, he was delusional. He should have told the cops how many drugs he had consumed.

Cool Tolerance
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 9, 2022 10:07 pm

Did you know there was no bruising on Floyd’s neck?

The pathologist for the prosecution produced his report at the end of May prior to trial, and he noted the lack of neck bruising. The prosecutor wasn’t happy and asked him to produce a 2nd autopsy report without that particular mention, which he did on June 2nd.

If you look at the video carefully, you’ll notice Chauvin’s knee rests mostly on the neck but not into the neck. I repeat: No bruising.

Multiple other precedents were set during that trial that the judge allowed to please the prosecution. Sad because the precedents can now be used for future cases.

ALSO, while walking him along the sidewalk toward the cop car, Floyd clearly exhibited serious signs of mental distress. He was crying ‘Mommy, mommy, help me help me’ after attempting to resist arrest. And at the time, the knee procedure was standard practice for that type of behavior.

I followed the trial on a daily basis on a website with numerous prosecutors and defense lawyers commenting the case. I learned a lot during that trial. And their overall verdict was acquittal.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Cool Tolerance
October 9, 2022 10:34 pm

Yeah, but the actual trial result was a verdict of guilty. Who you gonna believe, the judge and jury or some people on the internet?

John Dilks
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 12:12 am

Not that jury. It was composed of cowards, concerned for their lives and not for justice.

DonM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 9:53 am

“But I have those old fashioned traits of being able to change my mind with new information and, additionally, to avoid ideological traps of my own making. Being human, I’m not perfect but I do try.”

Try harder.

Yes, guilty … judge & jury confirmed.

But, NO NECK ISSUES. And reasonable oxygen level.

‘Reasonable Doubt’ … would he have died from his overdose anyway, in the same manner?

Is your answer “Absolutely not”?

What is your answer?

Dave Fair
Reply to  DonM
October 11, 2022 12:21 am

Since we are supposed to be a civil society, that answer was provided by the judge and jury. If you don’t like that, change the Constitution.

DonM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 10:14 am

What is your answer?

I’m on board with accepting the decision, I’m not going to riot, burn, loot, given the pre-text of a decision that I don’t agree with. I don’t think it is right. I think it was one level too high. I don’t feel a need to change the Constitution … nothing is perfect.

You say:
“Until I followed the trial and saw the evidence I, too, believed Chauvin was being railroaded. But I have those old fashioned traits of being able to change my mind with new information and, additionally, to avoid ideological traps of my own making.”

It sounds as if you are not only saying that it is up to the Jury, but you agree with Jury. I am just wondering why, if you agree with the Jury (in your efforts to be a perfect person) you keep deflecting back to the jury; why don’t you stand up and say YOU think it was the right or wrong decision.

Dave Fair
Reply to  DonM
October 11, 2022 2:16 pm

Don, you are putting words in my mouth. It is the responsibility of the jury to apply the law as defined by the judge in light of what they perceive are the facts. I was not there in the deliberation room and have no opinion on how the jury followed their responsibilities.

I do believe Chauvin got a fair trial. I think he was overcharged, but that’s not my call. Were I a member of that jury I would have voted to convict because it was in accordance with Minnesota law and the facts, with the proviso that I would not have made the jury because I would have told the judge I thought he was overcharged and would, therefore, be stricken from the jury pool.

DonM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 5:38 pm

I don’t think what I quoted of you was putting words in your mouth, or was misleading.

The jury options (and requirements) were: second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

They were unanimous on all three. They could have voted no on the first two.

2nd degree murder requires belief that someone “committed great bodily harm”….

3rd degree murder requires a belief that the defendant was “eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.”

The manslaughter charge needs the belief that the defendant had created unreasonable risk and consciously took a chance of causing death or “great bodily harm.”

I would even have a hard time with manslaughter, given that the defendant wasn’t responsible for the creation of the risk … although he carried through with it. Although it would have got my vote.

But, no “great bodily harm” was proven (or even evident); and I saw no depraved mind in action.

It still appears that you have no reasonable doubt that Chauvin “committed great bodily harm” & was “eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.”

Last edited 3 months ago by DonM
MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 1:18 pm

Juries are never wrong? There are never convictions that get over turned?

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2022 12:22 am

Who cares? Do you get to decide each individual case?

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 13, 2022 5:37 am

That’s why we have the process of appeals. A jury can be fooled by the judge and prosecutor as was probably the case here. I believe this will be thrown out on appeal at some point.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  MarkW
October 9, 2022 11:56 pm

MarkW has steered the discussion from the utterly disgraced British police who have transformed as John OSullivan and others have wittily observed , into the paramilitary wing of The Guardian and Stonewall – to the George Floyd tragedy . Nice try Mark . United States police precints have not covered up Islamic rape gangs in towns and cities the breadth of the country for 40 years or intimidated whistleblowers and journalists who have spoken out . It would be unthinkable that a US police station would spurn a grooming gang victim pleading for help only for her next round of rapists to pick her up from the station and assault her again Or thump on the door of another brave girl shortly after she appeared on Mark Steyns GB News show to frighten her and the local council slapping an ASBO on her mother Or escort gangs of Muslim hooligans to a Tommy Robinson rally in Oldham where they stood by and watched them attack the crowd as the Greater Manchester Police did . The United States has not passed a law permitting police forces councils and government agencies to recruit Covert Human Intelligence Sources enabling these CHIS’s to commit all manner of egregious criminal offences with legal impunity ..Boris Johnsons government did ..[ ” Any city run by a leftist “?…..Johnsons father is also a supporter of the Extinction Rebellion cult ] This sort of moral cowardice , totalitarian over -reach and political policing thuggery is a uniquely British scourge .Well not quite – it is a feature of Venezuela and Belarus and the old East Germany The culture of the British police has nothing to do with a leftist mayor or council ..Its the woke idiots and bullies brainwashed in the universities running the police training colleges and the commissioners themselves …..Douglas Murray recently read out letters composed by two senior British police officers subtly threatening him for embarrassing them in his published essays.. Konstantin Kisin told John Anderson in a podcast interview there were more police and auxilliary visits and prosecutions of UK citizens for online comments jokes and memes in one year in the United Kingdom than Putins Russia. Let that sink in . They have ignored burglaries knife crime and other serious crimes for years ….Turning a blind eye to radical environmentalists is mere small change to them ….After all British policing officialdom wouldn’t want to alienate their future Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil aficionado recruits and attract negative publicity and censure from the BBC and The Guardian ……Far easier to bend the knee to a racial chauvinist movement that wants to abolish the police jive to the Macarena and boogie at Pride festivals…….and pick on UK citizens for sharing jokes and memes on the internet ………………….Yeah life must be so tough for them

Graemethecat
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 10, 2022 12:42 am

British Police have been profoundly infiltrated and subverted by Marxists.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Graemethecat
October 10, 2022 5:42 am

Sounds like it.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 10, 2022 8:55 pm

Woke ideologues

MarkW
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
October 10, 2022 1:19 pm

Somebody sure gets his panties in a wad because people decide to talk about something other than what you want to talk about.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2022 8:51 pm

Someone seems annoyed that his diversionary ruse was called out …..There are British government agencies and units that specialize in these cyber – trolling techniques ……..JTRIG ….77 Brigade …Shall I continue ?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2022 2:50 am

and explains the quit/early retiring and lack of applicatipons to join ANY ploic or most mil services now

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 10, 2022 9:12 pm

The UK ministry of defence , the UK’s foreign intelligence service nearly all the UKs public institutions are all compliant or committed to this meta -paradigm of a ‘climate emergency ” for which there is no compelling evidence ..The Climategate scandal should have been the watershed that arrested this madness that originated 33 years ago but it was not to be …….This will all end in avoidable disaster

John Garrett
October 9, 2022 6:09 pm

What a bunch of assholes.

Mr. Worrall is correct. Somebody is going to end up getting hurt.

Drake
Reply to  John Garrett
October 9, 2022 6:31 pm

When simple crimes like this are not prosecuted and the offenders punished by the “authorities”, eventually the populace will make the punishment to be death.

It is just a matter of time.

BTW: Londoners need to start carrying hand cuffs and when they drag this scum from the street, cuff them to light poles, etc. Then drip supper glue into the key holes.

Dena
Reply to  Drake
October 9, 2022 6:55 pm

You don’t need the key to lock cuffs. You just close them to the proper size. You need the key to unlock them so they can be jammed before you use them. They are made that way so if you making an arrest the the subject fights, you don’t need to mess with a key during the arrest.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Dena
October 10, 2022 8:19 pm

zip ties.

Uffe
Reply to  Drake
October 11, 2022 8:18 am

Why use handcuffs super glue is enough put it on their hands and let them hug the lamppost and put their hands together, to get them loose they need aceton. More effective?

Paul Johnson
Reply to  John Garrett
October 9, 2022 9:33 pm

If someone does get hurt, resulting in a prosecution, would any UK jury convict?

michael hart
Reply to  Paul Johnson
October 10, 2022 4:10 am

Difficult to say. But the defendant may well be convicted first in a lower Magistrates Court. If they wanted a jury trial then it would mean lawyers and lots of money for the defendant to pay.
Most people would probably take the lesser punishment handed out and could not afford to take it further.

Richard Page
Reply to  michael hart
October 11, 2022 8:49 am

There have been about 1,350 ‘just stop oil’ protesters arrested to date, of which 51 are in prison, mostly for buggering about at a hearing – ie contempt of court. Harsher sentences would appear to be necessary.

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  John Garrett
October 10, 2022 10:26 am

Time to outfit police cars with snow plows. Then let the chips fall where they may.

michael hart
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
October 10, 2022 11:34 am

Probably wouldn’t do any worse than old British Rail.

One particularly warm August afternoon I was standing on the platform in Preston waiting for a late train on the main London-Glasgow line when the station announcer came over in a very irate voice: “Will the driver of the snowplow on platform 4 please return to his train IMMEDIATELY”.

It gave the public something to smile about. I didn’t check to see if there were snowploughs on any other platforms.

Tom Halla
October 9, 2022 6:22 pm

Those protesters will eventually encounter a reaction of people with steel toed logger boots.

Streetcred
October 9, 2022 6:28 pm

We get similar idiots gluing themselves to the streets of Brisbane. Creates chaos with traffic. The solution to this is to treat them as roadworks … put a couple of red traffic cones around them, leave then there and let the traffic flow. Let them roast themselves through a fine sub-tropical summer day on the hot tarmac and be asphyxiated with diesel fumes.

BobM
Reply to  Streetcred
October 9, 2022 6:42 pm

The commuters shouild have effective deterents handy, such as eggs and tomatoes and banana cream pies and the like. Honey is good for attracting all kinds of bees and flying insects. Pancake syrup would also do. And then, why not the batter, too?

Reply to  BobM
October 9, 2022 8:43 pm

Lemon Pledge will attract any bees within a quarter mile.

Dave Fair
Reply to  BobM
October 9, 2022 8:55 pm

Assault.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 11:20 pm

They started it. Wanquers.

b.nice
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 5:00 am

They are the ones committing assault/kidnapping by restraining other peoples right to proceed.

How would you feel if you wanted to go and do some shopping and some loony d**khead tried to stop you going into the shops.

Would you just turn meekly away like a slithering worm ?

Dave Fair
Reply to  b.nice
October 11, 2022 12:08 am

I’d do the same thing that I did to Leftist mobs trying to block my entrance to the college science building: Push straight through them. Different situation than that of assaulting somebody sitting in the roadway.

Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 12:46 pm

Really?

“Assault” – an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact

“Battery” – an intentional unpermitted act causing harmful or offensive contact with the “person” of another

Those are the definitions under the LAW. MAYBE only a misdemeanor – but potentially a felony if any of the persons you have just admitted to committing assault and battery on are of a “protected class.”

March right down to your local police station and turn yourself in. Or just stop your ignorant whining about how it is so awful to remove an idiot from the public roadway.

DonM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 10:42 am

… not assault … it is what they want & desire.

“The bigger the circus, the more successful their show … they want confrontation your honor. I gave them what they wanted, without any real harm done.”

Given a jury of reasonable people … not guilty of assault.

BobM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 3:53 pm

Littering, yes. Assault, no.

James B.
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 7:47 am

If someone needing medical care is being prevented from proceeding, that is also a serious crime, possibly intentional manslaughter.

Last edited 3 months ago by JamesB_684
Dave Fair
Reply to  Streetcred
October 9, 2022 8:54 pm

Responsible authorities cannot allow that barbaric treatment of people.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 11:20 pm

No. They should clear the road of the scum.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 11:21 pm

Responsible authorities cannot allow anyone to block streets for a protest not setup in advance to allow for traffic and emergency travel.

Teddy Lee
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 2:37 am

“Responsible Authorities”

Dave Fair
Reply to  Teddy Lee
October 10, 2022 11:57 pm

Yes, “Responsible Authorities.” You know those people responsible to keep you from assaulting other human beings that are not a physical threat to you or others.

Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 1:08 pm

So that group in front of the science building was a physical threat to you or others?

Sounds more like they were just preventing you from proceeding on your legitimate business inside the building – so you decided to commit assault (AND battery) upon them.

Perhaps you should change your alias to “Mr. Pot.”

Dave Fair
Reply to  writing observer
October 11, 2022 2:29 pm

An incident occurring over 50 years ago has no bearing on what I have been saying. If people commenting here do most of the things they say they would do, it will most likely get them into trouble with the law today. If someone’s life or physical wellbeing is actually on the line it is a different story. I’d then take my chances that a GoFundMe appeal would cover any of my legal fees.

Keep in mind that those two football players recently physically restraining the protester will likely be facing some legal and/or civil issues. Is that right? No, but that’s today’s society that we have collectively created.

Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 8:06 pm

Ah, so you are past the statute of limitations. Is that your excuse for what you tell others is anti-social behavior?

Dave Fair
Reply to  writing observer
October 12, 2022 8:55 am

I’ve never said “anti-social behavior.” I point out such behaviors can and likely would lead to legal and/or civil problems for the perpetrator. What is it about my comments that so incites your increasingly bizarre attacks?

b.nice
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 5:02 am

Yet that is exactly what they are doing by allowing the stinkies to block traffic etc

Its a barbaric uncivilised, anti-social act.. and you are supporting it.

Dave Fair
Reply to  b.nice
October 11, 2022 12:16 am

Not true. Try reading and responding to what I actually write, not some knee-jerk bravado.

DonM
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 10:51 am

Right Dave,

It is also barbaric to allow them to fend for themselves since have shown that they don’t have the capacity to make rational decisions.

As a civilized society, we need to get them out harms way, so they won’t be threatened by others (traffic) or themselves.

It’s just way too barbaric to not help them.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 12:18 pm

Responsible authorities would not actively pursue policies designed to generate that treatment.

michael hart
Reply to  Streetcred
October 10, 2022 4:16 am

Unfortunately, Streetcred, not many people suffer in the heat of the UK sun. Anyway, I don’t want them to die.
Better to take a pair of scissors and cut off their clothing. It shouldn’t be difficult if they’ve already immobilised themselves.

DonM
Reply to  michael hart
October 10, 2022 10:45 am

take the backpacks when they leave them on the ground. Walk a half block away and throw them in the trash. You will have two or three of them following you with the cameras, but they will not be in the roadway anymore.

Pete Bonk
October 9, 2022 6:32 pm

Is picking up trash off the road illegal in the UK? If a tyre or large box off a truck was blocking traffic we would applause anyone removing the obstacle.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Pete Bonk
October 9, 2022 8:56 pm

Not where people are involved. Stay out of any such illegal behavior.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 11:19 pm

Obstruction of the Highway is an offence.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
October 11, 2022 12:10 am

Its a policing problem, not yours. Do you give out tickets to people you see speeding? Or do you just use road rage techniques?

b.nice
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 5:04 am

Just make a citizen’s arrest.

Yes, those blocking the road ARE acting illegally.

Finally you admit it !

Dave Fair
Reply to  b.nice
October 11, 2022 12:11 am

Have deep pockets and hire a good lawyer.

Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 1:09 pm

Do you know one? Are they the one that defended you against charges for your admitted assault and battery?

Dave Fair
Reply to  writing observer
October 11, 2022 2:35 pm

WO, now you are just being silly. The societal rules were much different 50 years ago and I was much younger and tougher (And better looking!). You know that anybody manhandling protesters today will most likely have legal and/or civil problems.

Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2022 8:33 pm

Still digging? The law is the law, now or 50 years ago. Actually, assault and battery is derived from English common law – even before a couple of my ancestors got ticked off enough to start beating the tar out of the “responsible authorities.”

I don’t have the book any longer (pretty much obsolete for IP law), but business law for me was more than 40 years ago – and I recall a case law case in the introductory material. (There is always that, to establish the things that are – and are not – the subject of the course.) Man verbally harassed a female clerk – charged with assault. Grabbed her hand over the counter – charged with battery. Convicted on both.

Now, I will admit that it was probably adjudicated as “simple” assault and battery, a misdemeanor. So it could possibly be a felony charge today, considering that women (or is it “womxn”?) are a “protected class.”

You should also realize that the “societal rules,” they are a-changin’. It is rapidly becoming very unlikely that a jury will convict. Even in DC.

Dave Fair
Reply to  writing observer
October 12, 2022 9:01 am

Again, what is it in my comments that so incites your increasingly bizarre comments? I’m done going down Alice’s rabbit hole with you.

Reply to  Dave Fair
October 12, 2022 9:11 am

I’ll just start replying to your posts with “assault.” Assault, ASSAULT, ASSAULT, ASSAULT!!!!

Might as well be on the same level, spouting off like an idiot is so much easier than reasonable debate.

Alan Millar
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 6:58 am

Illegal! What are you talking about?

Blocking the highway, in the UK, is an indictable offence subject to five years in prison. A citizen is perfectly entitled to arrest someone who is, or has been committing any such offence in the absence of a police officer.

“At the most basic level, anyone can perform an arrest if they either know or reasonably believe, that an individual is in the process of committing a crime. You can also perform a Citizen’s Arrest if you reasonably believe that a crime has already been committed by said individual.

Regarding the reasonableness of the force used to arrest someone, you only need to prove that you acted in a way you honestly and instinctively believed was necessary for the specific situation. The law does not expect you to be able to make fine judgements in the heat of the moment.”

“Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 states that: ‘a person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in the effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders, or of persons unlawfully at large. The European Court of Human Rights also allows force to be used to ‘prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained’. So clearly, you are allowed to restrain and detain someone, using reasonable force, to prevent them from escaping.”

So restraining them to prevent them committing such an offence and also to prevent their escape is both lawful and reasonable, as long as no police officers are present.

If they violently resisted arrest a citizen may use such force as is necessary to protect themselves.

If I was present at such an incident and there were no police officers present, I would remove them from the highway and restrain them to prevent their escape then I would call the cops and explain that I had arrested someone in the act of committing an indictable offence.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Alan Millar
October 10, 2022 8:02 am

I would get a nice pair of boots, and kick their faces in.

DonM
Reply to  pigs_in_space
October 10, 2022 10:52 am

don’t you already have a nice pair of kicking boots?

Dave Fair
Reply to  DonM
October 11, 2022 2:40 pm

Mine are Caterpillar steel-toed boots. Very handy for breaking up dog fights. At a minimum, I don’t worry about stubbing my toes while wearing them.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  pigs_in_space
October 10, 2022 12:20 pm

That probably exceeds the bounds of permissible action as outlined by Alan.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
October 10, 2022 4:10 pm

Not necessarily. I’ve been involved in ‘restraining’ a violent offender, by not allowing him to leave a train platform while we waited for police. Since he himself was being extremely violent, and indeed had started the incident by attacking an innocent passenger without provocation, we were apparently fully entitled to use violence in order to restrain him. Some of the ‘restrainers’ did, quite happily, although I did not myself. Police officers seemed perfectly happy with that.

As a witness, I’m very pleased to report that he was sent down for 3 or 6 months, as he was a repeat offender. The victim in this case declined to prosecute, most likely from fear of reprisals. Us witnesses didn’t, so police were able to prosecute without a victim.

This is my second ‘citizen’s arrest I’ve documented here. Quite bizarre, because I’d never really thought I ever had, but I’ve actually performed at least 2!

Andy H
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
October 17, 2022 2:02 am

The law on what is reasonable is typically based upon the question of what would the man on the Clapham Omnibus do. In modern London, this would be what would the commuters at Canning Town do. You can see the video online.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Alan Millar
October 10, 2022 4:00 pm

So restraining them to prevent them committing such an offence and also to prevent their escape is both lawful and reasonable, as long as no police officers are present.

Absolutely. I’ve done this myself for a suspected shoplifter. Police arrived, thanked us, and we went on our way, not even questioned.

This was in Australia, but I believe it’s very similar to UK law in this regard.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Alan Millar
October 11, 2022 2:36 pm

Well, Alan, have fun doing that. But be prepared if things don’t go the way you imagine they will.

damp
October 9, 2022 6:32 pm

People keep finding new ways to alienate those they’re trying to persuade.

Sarge
Reply to  damp
October 10, 2022 7:12 am

They re not interested in persuasion. They are interested in demanding unwilling compliance to their notions.
Coercion, not persuasion.
They know they have a losing argument, so they are not interested in arguing.
They are only interested in forcing everyone else into compliance.
The use of force to achieve a goal is an inherently violent act, despite their protestations of “non-violence.”

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Sarge
October 12, 2022 6:17 am

It is no secret they have planned to provoke unrest and violence , to clog the courts and prisons and subvert Westminster democracy Sarge . One only has to research the XR manifesto and Roger Hallams writings and pronouncements ….The non violent resistance strategy is a mask to peel off at the opportune time and matters are made worse by a radical chic syndrome among certain doyens of the British establishment [ King Charles and Stanley Johnson spring to mind ] and woke British police who either party with them or do nothing … Even the father of passive resistance Mahatma Gandhi remarked to a prayer meeting audience in June 1947 “if we had the atom bomb we would have used it against the British ” …

Bob
October 9, 2022 6:37 pm

A certain number of protesters are bound to be injured, it’s inevitable. When it happens I’ll have no pity for them, they have gone to far. The important thing to remember about civil disobedience is that you must be ready to face the consequences. More and more law enforcement’s hands have been tied by corrupt bureaucrats and administrators. That is a bad thing. The sooner proper authorities do their job and handle this outrageous behavior the better the outcome will be. Good and honest people will only allow themselves to be crapped on for so long. Let’s hope our spineless leaders step up and start doing the job they are being paid for.

No one
Reply to  Bob
October 9, 2022 9:08 pm

They are sent into harm’s way to receive harm for propaganda purposes. I doubt the majority really understand they are sacrificial.

NZer
October 9, 2022 6:38 pm

First pref would be to clear just enough to move traffic, ring the rest with safety barrier, and leave them there (maybe add some more glue).

Second pref, after peeling them off the road and dragging them non-violently to one side, please for their own good, glue them solidly to a nearby fence or unused corner of footpath !

NZer
Reply to  NZer
October 9, 2022 6:52 pm

ps. Make sure that you were completely unaware that they were glued down when you initially tear-gassed or pepper-sprayed them, before the removal.

H.R.
Reply to  NZer
October 9, 2022 7:36 pm

Of course you wouldn’t know they were glued down. I mean, what sort of idiot would glue themselves to a roadway?

How could anyone have known?

And it certainly is an honest mistake to grab your pepper spray instead of your inhaler when you meant to use your inhaler to help them breathe. Happens all the time.

( 😉 , just in case)

Dave Fair
Reply to  NZer
October 9, 2022 8:57 pm

Assault.

saveenergy
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 3:01 am

Assault.
Let me fix that …
Ass adults

michael hart
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 4:20 am

No Dave. I was crossing the road and looking at the traffic. I wasn’t expecting to see the protester lying on the ground when my foot contacted his groin.

Dave Fair
Reply to  michael hart
October 10, 2022 11:59 pm

Tell that to the judge.

b.nice
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 5:05 am

Yes.. the protesters are committing assault..

Restraint of movement is a form of kidnapping.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 5:32 am

Is it assault to remove an accident victim from the roadway so more injury can be avoided?

Those protestors certainly look like accident victims to me.

Dave Fair
Reply to  NZer
October 9, 2022 8:57 pm

Assault.

michael hart
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 4:21 am

Not for you to decide. See my comment above.

b.nice
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 5:07 am

Yes the protestors ARE committing assault.

They are retraining freedom of movement..

They have zero authority to do that.

Perhaps you would like your car chained to a post so you can’t drive where you need to go . !

Sarge
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 7:15 am

Why do you repeatedly misspell “Asshat?”

It goes in the Name field, not the body text.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 10, 2022 7:20 pm

Aren’t you the one who has been proclaiming that only juries can decide issues of law? No jury has spoken, so there is no way to know if it is assault or not.

Terry
October 9, 2022 7:21 pm

A person who impedes your lawful transit by inserting their body in your way is actually commuting an assault upon you. An assault is usually defined as threat to apply force to you, the actually application of that force is a battery. You are entitled to repeal that assault by using no more force than is necessary, so if they escalate it so can you. The cops have dome nothing because they know that can involve an ugly escalation of violence. They have gotten away with this turtling act because things like this have been thankfully rare. They are going to have to get involved. Blocking a highway like this is actually a separate criminal offence. In Canada it’s called mischief.

Elliot W
Reply to  Terry
October 9, 2022 9:05 pm

In Canada, the entire Extinction gang and its offshoots would have their accounts scoured to find any foreign donations, and anyone who contributed would have their bank accounts frozen without legal recourse. Obviously.
It’s what Trudeau did to the truckers’ protest so OF COURSE he’d do it for left wing causes too. Right?

Dennis G. Sandberg
October 9, 2022 7:31 pm

Bring back water cannons.

James B.
Reply to  Dennis G. Sandberg
October 11, 2022 10:49 am

Farm fertilizer cannons. Filled with livestock effluent and water to make a slury. Spray at pressure and ensure full coverage.

Steve Case
October 9, 2022 7:55 pm

Here’s an instructional You Tube on tying a handcuff knot. Great way to restrain these criminals until the police get there.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steve Case
October 9, 2022 8:59 pm

Why? They aren’t going anywhere.

Steve Case
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 9, 2022 9:23 pm

Ha ha you’re right (-: What is left unsaid is handcuff them to some object to keep them off the road.

michael hart
Reply to  Steve Case
October 10, 2022 4:29 am

Yes, for their own safety. Lying in the road is clearly a life-threatening situation and the person may well be mentally unstable and capable of self harm.

They may need of restraining until the appropriate medical staff arrive.

No one
Reply to  Steve Case
October 9, 2022 9:21 pm

Or use zip ties or duct tape. The difficulty will be getting someone to comply with having a restraint applied. But if they’ve already glued their hands in place, no problem.

That’s a good, clearly done video. Everyone practice. Let’s reverse the decline in knot craft.

MarkW
Reply to  No one
October 10, 2022 7:22 pm

The difficulty will be getting someone to comply with having a restraint applied.

That’s where the bear spray comes into play.

October 9, 2022 7:56 pm

“One supporter required emergency medical treatment due to having been removed from the road by a member of the public.”

Based on the videos uploaded to Twit, that statement is a bald faced lie.

It does appear that leftist elites in charge of certain cities, actively support leftist causes and block their officers from enforcing laws the protestors are breaking.

Chris Hanley
October 9, 2022 8:00 pm

Remember when Emma Thompson led the ‘People’s Climate March’ that took over inner London Streets in 2014, well the climate hasn’t dared change since.
Go figure.

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Gary Pate
October 9, 2022 11:53 pm

I advise bear mace…

ltexpat
October 10, 2022 12:35 am

Highways Act 1980:    UK Public General Acts1980 c. 66Part IX Obstruction of highways and…

Obstruction of highways and streets
137 Penalty for wilful obstruction.

  • (1)If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to [F1imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or] a fine [F2or both].
  • [F3(1A)In relation to an offence committed before the coming into force of section 281(5) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (alteration of penalties for certain summary offences: England and Wales), the reference in subsection (1) to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to 6 months.
  • (1B)For the purposes of this section it does not matter whether free passage along the highway in question has already been temporarily restricted or temporarily prohibited (whether by a constable, a traffic authority or otherwise).

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/part/IX/crossheading/obstruction-of-highways-and-streets

So, 51 weeks imprisonment and a fine is what these Stop The Oil protesters/criminals could receive if they were to be prosecuted for their actions.

When the police shirk their duty, is action by members of the public to clear the highways and streets of these protesters/criminals not civic action to prevent or stop a ” disturbance of the peace” or a “public nuisance”?

michael hart
Reply to  ltexpat
October 10, 2022 4:35 am

Remember when it used to called “The King’s Highway”? (Yes that probably is too long ago.)

These days “the public highway” is certainly more appropriate because the public are more likely to protect it in such circumstances. The current King is more likely to found gluing himself to said highway.

Campsie Fellow
October 10, 2022 12:51 am

“It is time for police chiefs to step up and let their officers do their jobs, before someone gets killed.”
The police are far too busy dealing with what they regard as the really important crimes.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11294967/Trans-row-mother-five-Caroline-Farrow-recounts-ordeal-hands-Twitter-police.html

Ilma
October 10, 2022 1:26 am

It is time for police chiefs to step up and *get* their officers do their jobs”. There, fixed it.

Patrick MJD
October 10, 2022 1:29 am

The police have long since dispensed with protecting law abiding citizens…but upset some one’s feelings…you get arrested on the spot.

I just bought an eco-friendly car…

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 10, 2022 1:30 am

Forgot to add an image…

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Megs
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 10, 2022 3:32 am

Niiice!

Eugene Conlin
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 10, 2022 2:50 am

Unfortunately, it would seem that the UK police are unable to do much about left wing protestors as they are too busy investigating people who have upset snowflakes by referring to them by the wrong pronoun.
On a brighter note, apparently the police are now going to investigate (all) burglaries see:The number of times Lincolnshire Police officers will have to visit burglary victims daily (msn.com) having trialled investigating burglaries at even numbered homes only 🙄 Police trialled attending attempted burglaries at odd-numbered homes | UK | News | Express.co.uk

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 10, 2022 8:07 am

“upset some one’s feelings…you get arrested on the spot.”
YEP exactly what happened to get me an unlawful arrest – interviewed at 4am stuck in a police cell 3 days and zilch compensation+refusal of both bail and refusal to contact next of kin (with 3 dependent children).

UK police are irretrievably corrupt b..stards.

Rod Evans
October 10, 2022 2:06 am

The sad reality is coming. It will not be long before a protester is run over either by pure accident or by malicious intent. That will be the next development of the lunacy of these so called Alarmists.
The alarmists will of course be delighted by the inevitable tragic event, because they will have their very own martyr to hold up on placards and to eulogise about on twitter etc.
These anarchists and Luddites need to be dealt with by the laws that have been enacted in good faith over the years. The police have got to stop ‘bending the knee’ and start doing the job of maintaining the law and order of civilised society.
Blocking roads and thus preventing society from doing essential work is not civilised behaviour and the police need to stop the protesters from being stupid and unlawful.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Rod Evans
October 10, 2022 2:22 am

I am sure there was a report that someone had “nudged” a protester with their car. not sure what happened.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Rod Evans
October 10, 2022 8:25 am

While the United Kingdom is mired in a worsening energy crisis , the authorities cannot give these millenarian fanatics any quarter . They face a difficult situation as the Extinction Rebellion strategy is to clog the courts and prisons and they enjoy celebrity endorsement and sympathetic coverage within the BBC The Guardian , the universities, schools and elements of the judiciary [ See ” Spiked Online : “Judges For Extinction Rebellion “] .. ,

Pariah Dog
October 10, 2022 2:35 am

Car companies have taken notice. Exclusive photo of the 2023 model lineup…

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ozspeaksup
October 10, 2022 2:48 am

now thats was a cheery sight for a change;-)
about time people pulled the pin and stopped tolerating this crap!

fretslider
October 10, 2022 2:57 am

Where’s the Police”

On Twitter/FaceAche/TikTok etc etc

Moment police ‘with no search warrant’ swooped on house of gender-critical Catholic mother and arrested her in front of her four children over ‘series of anonymous posts on internet chat board’
Caroline Farrow arrest: Moment police swooped on house of Catholic mother | Daily Mail Online

Real crime as far as the ‘add derogatory noun here’ are concerned is thought and speech crime.

“The police should go back to “commonsense policing” instead of policing pronouns on Twitter or non-crime hate incidents, Home Secretary Suella Braverman said on Tuesday.
In her first major speech as home secretary, Braverman told the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham that public servants are distracted from “doing their real job” when the “poison [of identity politics] seeps into the public sphere.””

Braverman Tells UK Police to ‘Stick to Catching the Bad Guys,’ Not ‘Pandering to Identity Politics’ (theepochtimes.com)

At least Suella is making the right noises.

Andy H
October 10, 2022 3:26 am

The question of reasonable behaviour in UK is traditionally determined by “What would the man in the Clapham Omnibus do?”. The Clapham Omnibus is no more but the modern equivalent has been tested at Canning Town tube station. The extinction rebellion protestors who were stopping commuters from getting home refused to get off the train roof. So they were dragged off and beaten by the commuters. The protestors didn’t do it again.

In my (non-legal) opinion, a precedent has been set and protestors should stick to the side of the road where they don’t disrupt travel.

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 10, 2022 3:29 am

Nothing that a few stink bombs from the party shop will cure. Or itching powder.
Or perhaps an excited skunk properly directed.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 10, 2022 12:21 pm

No skunks in the UK (although, on second thoughts, there IS Parliament!)

rah
October 10, 2022 4:16 am

One of these days someone is going to climb up in an overlook and start popping high vol caps into the brain pans of a few of those morons. When the brains start splattering over all over the rest of the herd they won’t need any help getting their body parts unstuck to take cover.

Last edited 3 months ago by rah
Sarge
Reply to  rah
October 10, 2022 7:26 am

That being the gruesome reality that police forces were created to prevent the necessity of.

The justice system exists in large part to protect miscreants from the just fury of their victims… but it’s supposed to do that by removing said miscreants from interaction with ‘polite’ society and correcting their behavior before returning them… not by encouraging them, and permitting their depredations.

It doesnot add up
October 10, 2022 5:36 am

I think the narrative around the reporting of these incidents needs to change. The propaganda from these groups gets freely published with no pushback.

The public needs to develop a flashmob response. Create an instant counter demo (not obstructing the highway) and have them chant a simple slogan e.g. “Just arrest XR”, and make it go viral so everyone knows what to do. Draft a counter statement, encourage people to download it and print it out. Try to ensure that there is press coverage, including the counter statement. Keep it legal, but let them know.

Sarge
October 10, 2022 7:05 am

Coercion is violence; blocking another person’s freedom of movement without due process of law is a violation of their civil rights & tantamount to false imprisonment.

The right to protest ends where anothers’ right to go about their lawful affairs unmolested begins.

Scream all you want.
Block my path when I have a need to get somewhere, and you get what you get.

Ian Johnson
October 10, 2022 7:24 am

How many points would they worth in Death Race 2000?

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  Ian Johnson
October 10, 2022 10:33 am

1 point. Too easy. But it’s still more than they’re worth in real life.

ScienceABC123
October 10, 2022 8:13 am

I’m glad to see British drivers getting some “skin” in the game.

Shanghai Dan
October 10, 2022 8:33 am

Who says the police aren’t doing their job? I assure you, the local mayors/Government officials have passed down word to treat these protestors with kid gloves, and the police are doing their job as defined by their superiors.

David Anderson
October 10, 2022 8:47 am

Blocking a public street IS violence.

Bruce Cobb
October 10, 2022 8:47 am

#JustStopTheClimateNonsense.

Yirgach
October 10, 2022 10:22 am

London Calling

Shoki Kaneda
October 10, 2022 11:07 am

Ah, using the French detachment method. Very effective.

Greg in Houstion
October 10, 2022 1:59 pm

Might consider spraying them with WD-40, although I am not condoning that.