Collapse Of Energy, Food, Transportation Systems Prompt Calls for Government Nationalization of Industries – Echoes 1930s Push for Great Reset Style Reforms

From Climate Depot

Morano: The modus operandi of the Great Reset (AKA Build Back Better) is to intentionally collapse the current system with policies designed to create a crisis, havoc, and shortages. … Once the inevitable societal chaos ensues, a huge coordinated push to promote nationalization or government takeover of the impacted industries ensues. It is always claimed that the “free market” failed, and now only government can come in and clean up the mess. The advocates of nationalization usually bill it as a “temporary” nationalization of the industries, much like “15 days to slow the spread” or “2 weeks to flatten the curve” were billed as temporary measures. … 

Stuart Chase, a key advisor to former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, envisioned an early version of the Great Reset in the 1930s and 1940s, complete with calls for government “control of energy sources—hydroelectric power, coal, petroleum, natural gas.; The control of transportation—railway, highway, airway, waterway; and the control of agricultural production.” Chase loved the idea of managing all aspects of society. He asked at the end of his 1932 book, A New Deal, “Why should the Soviets have all the fun remaking the world?” Chase’s lust for Soviet ideology could be updated to 2022 by replacing the “Soviets” for “China”.

Here is Chase’s 2022 proposed updated motto: “Why should China have all the fun remaking the world?”

By: Marc Morano – Climate Depot

Climate Depot Special Report

The continuing fallout from COVID lockdown policies — from the economic collapse to the supply chain issues, to energy, transportation, and food shortages — is reigniting calls and prompting the nationalization of industries in Europe, the U.SCanada, and Australia.

The modus operandi of the Great Reset (AKA Build Back Better) is to intentionally collapse the current system with policies designed to create a crisis, havoc, and shortages. And the world has descended into chaos since the COVID lockdowns of March of 2020. 

See: Yahoo Finance: ‘Firewood is the new gold’ – prices & theft jump in Europe as Russia’s gas cutoff boosts wood demand ahead of winter – 1000% increase in EU energy prices  &

NYT: ‘Crippling’ energy bills force Europe’s factories to go dark

The Great Food Reset has arrived: Expect ‘real’ food shortages, Biden declares

WHY IT IS FINALLY TIME TO NATIONALIZE AMERICA’S FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY TO END OUR SPIRALING ENERGY WAR

California car ban: ‘This is the planned rationing of vehicles’ – ‘They have energy shortages, food shortages, now they want vehicle shortages’ – Calif. borrows Cuban & East German policies

Once the inevitable societal chaos ensues, a huge coordinated push to promote nationalization or government takeover of the impacted industries ensues. It is always claimed that the “free market” failed, and now only government can come in and clean up the mess. The advocates of nationalization usually bill it as a “temporary” nationalization of the industries, much like “15 days to slow the spread” or “2 weeks to flatten the curve” were billed as temporary measures. See: Salon mag in 2022 noted “the long American history of taking over industries during a time of national crisis” and claimed that “temporary nationalization helped get America through the crisis” of World War II. 

Stuart Chase, a key advisor to former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, envisioned an early version of the Great Reset in the 1930s and 1940s, complete with calls for government “control of energy sources—hydroelectric power, coal, petroleum, natural gas.; The control of transportation—railway, highway, airway, waterway; and the control of agricultural production.”

Chase loved the idea of managing all aspects of society. He asked at the end of his 1932 book, A New Deal, “Why should the Soviets have all the fun remaking the world?” Chase’s lust for Soviet ideology could be updated to 2022 by replacing the “Soviets” for “China”.

Here is Chase’s 2022 proposed updated motto:

“Why should China have all the fun remaking the world?”

That updated motto could describe any number of current Chinese social credit style policies emanating from the World Economic Forum, Canada’s PM Justin Trudeau, or from Australia, New Zealand, or U.S. COVID lockdown policies, particularly from blue states and cities.

Chase’s depression-era political vision now appears to be coming to fruition in 2022. Chase, a socialist economist, wrote the 1932 book A New Deal , which was the inspiration for President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal. Chase was a member of FDR’s “kitchen cabinet.” He promoted the “managerial revolution,” which he referred to as “System X” in his 1942 book, When the War Ends: The Road We Are Traveling 1914–1942.

Stuart Chase (1888-1985) – Haverhill Citizens Hall of Fame
When the War Ends The Road We Are Traveling 1914-1942: Chase, Stuart, Sloan, Sam: 9784871873406: Amazon.com: Books
A New Deal: Chase, Stuart: Amazon.com: Books

Chase’s vision of the world sounded an awful lot like the WEF’s Great Reset. In his 1942 book When the War Ends, Chase outlined the key components of transforming “Free Enterprise into ‘X’”:

A strong, centralized government.

An executive arm growing at the expense of the legislative and judicial arms. . . .

The control of banking, credit and security exchanges by the government. . . .

The abandonment of gold in favor of managed currencies. . . .

The control of energy sources—hydroelectric power, coal, petroleum, natural gas.

The control of transportation—railway, highway, airway, waterway.

The control of agricultural production. . . .

Not much “taking over” of property or industries in the old socialistic sense. The formula appears to be control without ownership . . .

The state control of communications and propaganda.

Chase loved the idea of managing all aspects of society. As he asked at the end of A New Deal, “Why should the Soviets have all the fun remaking the world?”

Source: The Great Reset: Global Elites & The Permanent Lockdown – By Marc Morano

Fast forward to 2022, and the Great Reset is happening here and now. This is not circa 1990 when we were talking about a shadowy secretive vision of a New World Order. This is 2022 now, and we are seeing a ‘new normal’ being imposed upon the world.

1) Our current energy system is being intentionally collapsed ;

2) Our transportation system is being intentionally collapsed; (and our freedom of movement is being stripped away)

3) Our First Amendment free speech rights are being collapsed by government & corporate collusion;

4) Our high-yield agricultural system is being intentionally collapsed to create man-made food shortages and chaos; and

5) The ability to eat meat is being banned to compel us to eat ‘lab-grown’ fake meat and eat insects. Artificially caused food shortages will create demand for insect eating.  And our betters are using our children as hand-picked little ministers of propaganda to promote insect eating and ‘pester’ adults to comply with the agenda. (See:The Great Food Reset has arrived: Expect ‘real’ food shortages, Biden declares – Meanwhile, Bill Gates & China buy up U.S. farmland &Great Reset By Marc Morano – Chapter 12 Excerpt: ‘COVID Lockdowns Morph to Climate Lockdowns’

Via Page 32 of The Great Reset By Marc Morano: 

All of this chaos is music to the ears of those who don’t like the messiness of human freedom. The WEF’s vision is to crowd us all into urban areas. They want us to own nothing. They want to regulate literally every aspect of our lives. Bedlam is a useful way to collapse the current system and install a Great Reset.

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin used the simple phrase “worse is better” or “the worse, the better” as his slogan in Czarist Russia to cheer on chaos and the destruction of the existing order to impose his brand of socialism. Sources here & here

It is all part of the plan: destroy the old order and make the population so desperate that you can impose policies that make them weaker and more dependent on the government.

And, right on cue, the implementation of nationalization and the calls for it grow. Here is a small sampling of how chaos is being used to impose nationalization of key industries since COVID lockdowns crushed societies:

The Hill OPED: ‘Why we must nationalize Big Oil’

Germany nationalizes energy giant Uniper as Russia squeezes gas supplies

Green party calls for nationalization of UK’s big five energy firms as ‘solution to failed experiment with a market-based energy system’

The American Prospect: Nationalize the U.S. Fossil Fuel Industry to Save the Planet: “Turning the biggest oil companies over to public ownership would serve several goals at once, including climate resilience.”

WHY IT IS FINALLY TIME TO NATIONALIZE AMERICA’S FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY TO END OUR SPIRALING ENERGY WAR

Canada: Should We Nationalize the Oil Sands?

AP: Canada effectively nationalizing private payrolls amid virus

Australia’s Devastating Fires Make an Urgent Case for Nationalizing Fossil Fuels

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The following is an excerpt from Chapter 12 of The Great Reset: Global Elites and the Permanent Lockdown – By Marc Morano

Page 36:

“Executive Arm Growing”

Socialist economist Stuart Chase’s 1932 book A New Deal was the inspiration for President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal. Chase was a member of FDR’s “kitchen cabinet.”3 He promoted the “managerial revolution,” which he referred to as “System X” in his 1942 book, When the War Ends: The Road We Are Traveling 1914–1942.

Chase’s vision of the world sounds an awful lot like the WEF’s Great Reset. In When the War Ends, Chase outlined the key components of transforming “Free Enterprise into ‘X’”:

A strong, centralized government.

An executive arm growing at the expense of the legislative and judicial arms. . . .

The control of banking, credit and security exchanges by the government. . . .

The abandonment of gold in favor of managed currencies. . . .

The control of energy sources—hydroelectric power, coal, petroleum, natural gas.

The control of transportation—railway, highway, airway, waterway.

The control of agricultural production. . . .

Not much “taking over” of property or industries in the old social- istic sense. The formula appears to be control without ownership . . .

The state control of communications and propaganda.

Chase loved the idea of managing all aspects of society. As he asked at the end of A New Deal, “Why should the Soviets have all the fun remaking the world?”

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ResourceGuy
September 21, 2022 2:06 pm

I guess it also depends on who collapses first in the order of things.

WSJ
High Natural-Gas Prices Push European Manufacturers to Shift to the U.S.The Ukraine war is driving up energy costs in Europe, while relatively stable prices and green-energy incentives are luring companies to the U.S.
and…
Ford warns investors of an extra $1B in supply chain costs during Q3 (cnbc.com)

Bryan A
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 21, 2022 2:50 pm

To see this happening now look no further than the FED raising interest rates to “stem inflation”. The result so far is significantly higher interest and a DJIA that has dropped from a high of 36,799 down to 30,180 since Jan 4 2022. This has effectively wiped out 16% of market value and almost 20% of my 401k value. They are actively destroying people’s futures

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Bryan A
September 21, 2022 3:45 pm

It also makes people not spend money. Which results in less people shopping, and less money for businesses and their employees. Which is less people working and more people needing handouts. Nothing good can come of this.

Kit P
Reply to  Bryan A
September 21, 2022 4:32 pm

Am I the only one who is tired of listening to the richest people in the world cry about how bad it is?

If your future depends on the stock market, you are an idiot. My house, vacation property, car, boat, and RV are all paid for. My rollover has much less cash than is recommended but since my ‘future’ does not depend on it, I take the risk.

Just for the record, ‘big’ oil is owned by the public. Stock holders like me. Also coal, gas, and electric utilties. I did not expect it to go up the way it was the last 2 years but 6% roi is not a 20% loss.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Kit P
September 22, 2022 6:08 am

Someone who thinks his vacation property, car, boat and RV will provide food and shelter forever seems like the one who should be rethinking their strategy. You didn’t mention it, but if you don’t have a fixed pension I don’t see your financial future being that rosy. The car, boat and RV are all money sinks, are going down in value and will not provide income in the future. And where did you get 6% ROI without losing principle?

tgasloli
Reply to  Bryan A
September 21, 2022 4:54 pm

But that stock market value was all hot air caused by QE 1–4.

Anyone with half a brain knew what the Fed was doing with the money supply in 2020 & 2021 was insanely inflationary.

As someone who was around in the 70–80s, inflation is the worst thing, they should not have caused it, now they MUST stop it.

Scissor
Reply to  tgasloli
September 21, 2022 7:27 pm

Just saw this topical vid @ SDA. Lot’s of wisdom from Charlie Munger.

Reply to  Scissor
September 21, 2022 11:42 pm

Marc Morano gets it – consistent with the paper that I published in 2019 that I know is legitimate:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/01/the-liberals-covert-green-plan-for-canada-poverty-and-dictatorship/
 
Nothing about our governments’ woke programs for Climate or Covid made any sense from the start – everything they did made things worse. There is a powerful logic that says no rational person or group could be this wrong for this long.
 
IT’S NOT AN ERROR, IT’S THE PLAN – THE ROADMAP TO VENEZUELA – POVERTY AND DICTATORSHIP
… and it is happening in Canada, the USA, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany and many other countries all over the world.

Reply to  Scissor
September 22, 2022 12:10 am

Their Plan is simple: “The Road to Venezuela.” Take major steps to destroy energy, agriculture, and the economy so that people are cold, starving and easily manipulated. Blame capitalism for the destruction of the economy and institute socialism or fascism. Then live like kings, looking down on all the poor peasants.

Look at all the money that has been needlessly squandered on the Climate scam, and more recently on the Covid-19 scam. See CorrectPredicitoins.ca for what really happened here – neither situation was a real crisis – both were false crises concocted by wolves to stampede the sheep.

Here is the USA equivalent of the Canadian paper I cited above.

AT THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS REALLY ABOUT — AND IT’S NOT THE CLIMATE July 19, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/20/what-the-green-new-deal-is-really-about-and-its-not-the-climate/
“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all. Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” – Democratic New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti.

Told you so, years ago.

meiggs
Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 22, 2022 6:04 pm

What morons want, morons get

Reply to  meiggs
September 22, 2022 6:47 pm

VERY-SCARY CLIMATE POLITICS EXPLAINED:
THE DUNNING-KRUGER EFFECT

First, watch “The Best of Jaywalking” to understand the intellect of the general populace. 🙂

THE DUNNING–KRUGER EFFECT – DEFINED
In Layman’s Terms:
“Stupid people are too stupid to know that they are stupid.”

“You know how stupid the average person is, right? Well, half of them are stupider than that!”
– George Carlin

Here is the acid test:
WHEN ANYONE BLEATS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE, CLIMATE CRISIS, CLIMATE ARMAGEDDON, ETC.:
JUST WRITE THEM OFF AS TOO STUPID FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION – MOVE ALONG – THERE’S NOTHING GOING ON BEHIND THEIR EYES.

Last edited 10 days ago by Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 22, 2022 6:26 pm

Typo: CorrectPredictions.ca

Rod Evans
Reply to  Scissor
September 22, 2022 1:22 am

Thanks for linking to that. A real piece of wisdom from a man old enough to know.
We have enjoyed a 10% investment gain in a 2% inflation world for long enough to imagine it was always that way.
Today we are staring at a 2% investment return in a 10% inflation period. The naked bathers are being exposed by the falling tide
Reality is what always happens….in real life.
In reality there is no free lunch.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Rod Evans
September 22, 2022 5:52 am

My retirement fund has lost big time. But my financial advisor has prepared us for this for the past 20 years. It’s not the first time its happened, it won’t be the last.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 22, 2022 6:12 am

2008 was the last big drop in the market. I’ve been through a few of these over the years and the market always comes back up.

MarkW
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
September 22, 2022 9:03 am

Unless government uses the panic to justify nationalizing everything.

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 22, 2022 9:02 am

The only people who lose money in times like these are those who panic and sell at the bottom. The trick is to ride out the panic and if you have any spare cash, buy from those who are panicking.

michel
Reply to  MarkW
September 22, 2022 9:49 am

Not necessarily. Look at 1929. Yes, it came back, but the question is whether it comes back in time for you. It doesn’t always.

The bottom is when people who have been holding on because they think they will be selling at the bottom and think they will ride out the panic finally say to themselves, this one is different, I have to get out now while I still have something.

That is the bottom. We are a long way off that right now. There are still most people buying or holding the dip, because they think this is like the other bear markets. What they are in denial about is the chance, low but very high in cost if it happens, that this could be a rogue wave.

michel
Reply to  Bryan A
September 22, 2022 9:44 am

But… your 401k value wasn’t going to stay at those levels, regardless. Those levels were not normal and reasonable absent Fed action. Those levels were themselves the result of a Fed created bubble.

So yes, Fed tightening has indeed caused a market fall. But from absurdly inflated levels which were the result of their inflationary loosening.

Its no consolation of course – you are, many of us are, significantly poorer now than we were six months ago. But its a mistake to think there was some way of staying at the levels of six months ago. There really was not, we should never have been at that level to start with.

In the UK at the moment there seems to be a general error of the same sort going on. You hear people in various businesses explaining how they need more ‘support’. And there is a mini-budget coming up designed to give some. That is, sell bonds and hand out cash.

The assumption seems to be that the previous state of business and economy was normal and fine, and that nothing has happened to oblige anyone to change, if only we can get over this little local difficulty of a cash flow problem, which surely the government can borrow enough to get us over.

Wrong. We cannot continue as we were. Something fundamental has changed. There has been a huge loss of wealth, and not just wealth, income and prospects. We are all a lot poorer now than we were in January. Printing money is not going to change that. We are going to have to live with less. Those businesses are not viable, and handing them state subsidies is not going to make them viable. The customers don’t have the money. The revenues are not coming back, the costs are not going to fall. We are heading, while refusing to admit it, into a considerable restructuring of the economy, and that is going to have considerable social implications too.

Kevin kilty
September 21, 2022 2:26 pm

I had the feeling I read this article about four times over. The world is full of cranks and dangerous fools. It always has been.

2hotel9
Reply to  Kevin kilty
September 21, 2022 2:47 pm

Yep. And they have f*cked up everything they have touched.

Scissor
Reply to  Kevin kilty
September 21, 2022 4:25 pm

We have a lot in common with the Uyghurs.

AndyHce
Reply to  Kevin kilty
September 21, 2022 4:40 pm

Too many articles here repeat sections of text several times. It is very tiring and obnoxious. Are the originals from which stories are taken this way or it is just a WUWT policy to make articles longer for some obscure reason (but not a very bright reason, for my vote).

John R T
Reply to  AndyHce
September 21, 2022 6:33 pm

Agreed.
This is where I intended to comment.

MarkW
Reply to  AndyHce
September 22, 2022 9:04 am

On the other hand, as Willis likes to say, you need to quote the portion you are commenting on.

AndyHce
Reply to  MarkW
September 24, 2022 11:23 pm

You mean use up a whole page repeating what has already been repeated three times in the article? ridiculous!.

Kevin R.
Reply to  Kevin kilty
September 21, 2022 5:45 pm

Yep. That post needed some serious editing. Other than that though it makes good points.

September 21, 2022 2:28 pm

But of course it’s coming. It’s been the plan since the U.N. created the 351-page Agenda 21 document in 1992. Here’s a 5-minute summary … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkM0W1401dg

Mike Maguire
Reply to  John Shewchuk
September 21, 2022 4:02 pm

John,
The UN was on this for years before 1992!

For instance, the story below from 1989 shows the same false narratives, using junk science that have continually failed, that we hear today.
When you go to the1st link of this story, you will note the headline/title (that I pasted below) is gone. Several years ago, they deleted it so that it wouldn’t show up in searches.

U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
 PETER JAMES SPIELMANN Associated Press June 29, 1989:

https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

2nd link with the title:

https://imageholder.org/apnews-1989-jun-29-page-united-nations-predicts-disaster-if-global-warming-not-checked/#:~:text=United%20Nations%20Predicts%20Disaster%20if%20Global%20Warming%20Not,trend%20is%20not%20reversed%20by%20the%20year%202000.

The United Nations created the IPCC(InterGOVERNMENTAL Panel on Climate Change) as the world’s authority on man made climate change………so that they could hijack climate science to accomplish their agenda.

Their regular reports are used for believers of climate crisis religion, similar to how Christians use the New Testament (-:

Many climate scientists work for the government and most of the grant money to fund climate research targets climate change PROBLEMS. When applying for a grant, guess who will get funded first

  1. Scientists showing the wonderful benefits of this current climate optimum.
  2. Scientists showing the damage caused by a human caused climate crisis that justifies government intervention to fix it.

One of the first things that the IPCC did was REWRITE CLIMATE HISTORY.

On face value, this sounds delusional/impossible but some of us watched them do it.
They did it to wipe out the Medieval Warm Period that was this warm 1,000 years ago and eliminate consideration of the 100+ previous studies that showed that this warming is NOT completely unprecedented and has to be caused by humans burning fossil fuels.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88287/#88297

We now call the building block for all life, CO2 (a beneficial gas which is greening the planet, with it’s booming biosphere and increasing food for most creatures) ……pollution.

Reply to  Mike Maguire
September 21, 2022 4:56 pm

You are absolutely correct. The New World Order has been a dream by tyrants for eons. I only focused on UN Agenda 21 because many still think it’s a conspiracy. Unfortunately, the EPA just made things worse with it’s Endangerment Finding … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYhfrgRAbH4

Dennis
Reply to  Mike Maguire
September 21, 2022 5:50 pm

The architect of the climate based attack on the capitalist (free enterprise, free market) system was the late Maurice Strong, close associate of George Soros, Al Gore, Klaus Schwab and many others, Strong became a multi-billionaire starting from employment with the UN in an executive position.

A citizen of Canada, Strong was granted asylum in Communist China when he was wanted by the Environmental Protection Agency of Canada for illegally pumping water from an aquifer under land he owned in Canada. His cousin had been a close girlfriend of Chairman Mao Zedong. I believe that the model to replace capitalism as the world knows it is what the CCP permit in China, controlled and managed participation.

Dennis
Reply to  John Shewchuk
September 21, 2022 5:45 pm

The Marxist UK Fabian Society founded in the late 1800s started the “new world order” agenda campaigns, the Fabian Society is still operating in various nations today, here it is The Australian Fabian Society and most Labor MPs are members.

Frank from NoVA
September 21, 2022 2:29 pm

‘Not much “taking over” of property or industries in the old social- istic sense. The formula appears to be control without ownership . . .‘

Aka ‘fascism’ in the vernacular, or ‘progressivism’ in polite company.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
September 21, 2022 4:54 pm

“Once the inevitable societal chaos ensues, a huge coordinated push to promote nationalization or government takeover of the impacted industries ensues.”

That worked well in Venezuela, didn’t it?

“Not much “taking over” of property or industries in the old social- istic sense. The formula appears to be control without ownership . . .”

It’s called Fascism. Both Fascist Germany under Hitler and Fascist Italy under Mussolini implemented this. They both realized that control without ownership provided them the very same power without the actual responsibility for failure. What’s the term? “Plausible deniability”?

Ken Irwin
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
September 21, 2022 11:38 pm

You want to turn liberal progressives into a fascists – just give them overweaning political power over other peoples lives and freedoms and its’ near instantaneous.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Ken Irwin
September 22, 2022 1:34 am

Ken,
You are spot on with that. Back at the start of the ‘Covid era’ we had a nobody politician that no one had previously heard of called Matt Hancock he was immediately put in charge and from being a nobody he was ordering everyone about He was on every TV broadcast every news paper headline and boy did he milk his moment.
He only fell from power when a Chinese CCTV camera caught him snogging his female aid in his office. What else was on the CCTV we can only guess. His wife felt that was taking authoritarian liberties too far…
He has now again disappeared back into obscurity, thankfully.

Cloudbuster
Reply to  Rod Evans
September 22, 2022 3:04 am

Haha. According to Wikipedia, his real crime was violating COVID social distancing restrictions:

“In June 2021, after it was shown he had breached COVID-19 social distancing restrictions by kissing and embracing an aide, Gina Coladangelo, in his Whitehall office, Hancock resigned in disgrace as Health Secretary and was succeeded by Sajid Javid.”

Richard Page
Reply to  Cloudbuster
September 22, 2022 5:54 am

I still want to know who knew enough to turn that surveillance camera round to look in exactly the opposite direction at exactly the right time and place to catch them in the act?

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
September 22, 2022 9:07 am

I’m sure most of the people in the office were aware as to what was going on. Very few office “romances” are as secret as those involved want to believe.

Tom Halla
September 21, 2022 2:29 pm

Stalinism Part II. As the proposed “solutions” will make matters worse, double down on failure, and blame “wreckers” for the central planning being a failure.
Force on doubters will not make wind and solar reliable, or economic. But force would shut up those inconvenient doubters.
Socialism requires force when taken to a certain point, and they are approaching it.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 21, 2022 2:46 pm

People seem completely ignorant of history and the five year plans in the USSR and similar plans in other Communist countries. How well did these work out? Ask anyone who was a young man or woman living in a country like Poland before 1989 about the rationing and bread lines and whether they would like to return to this idylic era.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 21, 2022 3:18 pm

‘People seem completely ignorant of history and the five year plans in the USSR and similar plans in other Communist countries.’

It’s not that it just isn’t taught in schools, it’s actually suppressed. After all, if you’re an ‘economics’ professor, it would be kinda pointless to tell the kiddies that it’s bad for politicians to manage the economy, when that’s basically the entire premise behind Keynesianism / Progressivism.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
September 21, 2022 4:58 pm

Even Keynes recognized that continued spending deficits would break the economy. His view was for government stimulus to lessen recession impacts followed by balanced budgets.

The Democrats of today have totally perverted Keynes theories. In their view continued deficits *causing* recessions rather than as temporary crutches is the way forward to a “better tomorrow”.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 21, 2022 6:36 pm

‘Even Keynes recognized that continued spending deficits would break the economy.’

True – Something Paul Samuelson forgot to emphasize in his text book that was foisted on a gazillion undergrads.

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 21, 2022 9:09 pm

The biggest problem is that despite almost 100 years of trying, deficit spending has never boosted an economy.

Slowroll
Reply to  MarkW
September 22, 2022 2:52 pm

As Churchill said, “raising taxes and increasing deficits to improve the economy is like a man standing in a bucket trying to lift himself by the handle. “

Admin
September 21, 2022 2:36 pm

The key to defeating this is international disunity.

“The rise and fall of the great powers” explains the reason Europe created the modern world instead of China or Persia or the Incas, is since Roman times, there was never a single ruler, a single point of failure.

Again and again China approached modernity, only to have centuries of progress crushed by a single bad emperor.

In Europe by contrast there was always a place to flee, to escape tyranny. No bad ruler ever had the power to undo progress. So Europe created the modern world.

One day America will fail, as all nations fail. But the idea of America will survive, so long as there is somewhere people can be free.

AndyHce
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2022 4:42 pm

where?

Admin
Reply to  AndyHce
September 21, 2022 6:06 pm

Look for countries which are rarely in the news. It’s a moving target. In any case things would have to get a lot worse before it’s worth cutting and running

drednicolson
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2022 7:11 pm

Byzantium lasted a thousand years after the fall of Rome. I expect America, in some form, will persist for a good while yet.

AndyHce
Reply to  drednicolson
September 24, 2022 11:25 pm

under different ownership?

Jtom
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2022 9:35 pm

Under the current conditions, the US will fail by splitting apart like the USSR. A great may states both blue and red would be very happy to form unions with specific other states and be rid of the rest.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2022 10:40 pm

Eric, I suppose we must theorise that “one day America will fail, as all nations fail” – but it won’t be for a good while yet! All the dire forebodings expressed in this article simply will not happen – once Republicans are in full control of Senate and House of Representatives. Trump will probably not be a President again – but all his nominees will be elected. And does it then matter one hoot whether possibly a Democrat becomes President??

“The Great Reset” cannot be physically implemented without legislation changes (or by revolution by force – equally incredible and equally impossible). And if it cannot happen it will not happen! – Period!.

So relax!! Don’t panic!! Don’t worry!!

Nick Graves
Reply to  Andy Espersen
September 22, 2022 12:41 am

I wish I shared your optimism, Andy.

It seems that the long, slow march through the institutions has made so many people oblivious to what’s happening.

In most western countries, one seems to get to vote for two sides of a uniparty – however one votes, the bloody Government always gets in. Much of it WEF-influenced…

It’s interesting that Sweden, however, has voted-in a ‘right-wing’ coalition, so there is pushback and that’s encouraging.

Also, Eastern Europeans seem to have a spidey-sense for BS – I suppose if one wants to create a raving libertarian, bring them up under a communist regime.

But I fear it’s all going to get horrible before it gets better.

BTW – there are rumours that Earth might be hit by (rather attract) a CME this weekend and it will be used as an excuse to trigger something. Do any of the many intelligent critical-thinkers here have any more solid information?

TonyG
Reply to  Andy Espersen
September 22, 2022 11:03 am

once Republicans are in full control of Senate and House of Representatives

That assumes that they will actually do something for a change instead of going along with the status quo as they have for so long. The party leadership, which is still the old guard, is already working hard to dissuade such action (i.e. McConnell talking about “bad candidates” and pushing candidates to NOT sign on to any sort of agreement to do anything specific)

EOM
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 23, 2022 1:11 pm

Trust God and not anything else; trust Him who He has sent.

Alasdair
September 21, 2022 2:40 pm

The Spector of global communism in the raw; into which the West is sleepwalking.

To me, as an oldie at 86 I recall those sayings of yesteryear: “The Reds under the Bed” and “The Yellow Peril”.
Its seems that the two sayings have now amalgamated.

What is it that makes humanity try to return back to its failures in the past? Are we destined to to repeat our mistakes continuously, throughout history ?

william Johnston
Reply to  Alasdair
September 21, 2022 2:51 pm

I believe an analogy will be found in nature. If left untended, nature will surely reclaim everything. Whether a farm field, a city or a whole society, all will return to its basic existence

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Alasdair
September 21, 2022 5:03 pm

What’s the old saying? Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it? True history is no longer taught in our education system, only progressive propaganda. College grads today know nothing of Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, and Castro except for them being Marxist hero’s – not thugs who killed millions of innocents on their path to power.

Even while the Marxist Democrats are running out economy and society into the ground today these indoctrinated useful idiots still believe it is conservatives (be they GOP or Dem) that are doing this. Truly psychotic and scary.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Alasdair
September 21, 2022 5:35 pm

In parts of Africa it was a communist behind every bush. It is quite stunning how many of the old comrades have later bragged about being communists while at the time the liberal media mocked the idea of a communist threat. However, with the fall of the Berlin Wall and opening of archives it was clearly revealed that there was far more communist schemes though a number of them failed.

MarkW
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 21, 2022 9:12 pm

All of them failed. Unfortunately a few of them resulted in communists taking power.

2hotel9
September 21, 2022 2:46 pm

So, the stupid f*cking c*nts who are causing all this shit say they will “fix” it? Really?

Nick Graves
Reply to  2hotel9
September 22, 2022 12:42 am

Hegelian dialectic…

ChrisB
September 21, 2022 3:03 pm

All they’ve got is a few F35s and money printing machines. I say let them try!

spren
September 21, 2022 3:19 pm

People like Robert Pollin who authored the American Prospect article proposing government takeover of our energy industries should find themselves with their backs against a stone wall awaiting their final reckoning. These people are unabashed communists and they are also extremely dangerous idiots. They need to be destroyed before they destroy all of us and our liberty.

Scissor
Reply to  spren
September 21, 2022 8:00 pm

The following shows a drunken employee going to work at the U.S. embassy in Moscow. Imagine him going to work as a refinery operator.

John
September 21, 2022 3:28 pm

Wasn’t the temporary “war tax” turned into (‘voluntary”) income tax? Just asking for nearly 350 million or so friends.

AndyHce
Reply to  John
September 21, 2022 4:46 pm

No, the US income tax system was created in 1913 in order to fund the debt being created by the creation of the Federal Reserve banking system.

MarkW
Reply to  John
September 22, 2022 9:11 am

I believe you are thinking of a “temporary” tax on telegraph services, that eventually turned into a tax on phone services and wasn’t eliminated until sometime in the 1980’s or 90’s.

Shoki Kaneda
September 21, 2022 3:39 pm

Why are people who actively work to undermine and destroy the Constitution, and the republic embodied by it, not considered traitors?

AndyHce
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
September 21, 2022 4:46 pm

Because their cronies are already in power.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
September 21, 2022 5:55 pm

Biden and the others are considered traitors by me. They should be considered traitors by everyone, because they are.

Steve Case
September 21, 2022 5:11 pm

I can see nationalizing the railroads, but not the rolling stock, switching yards and employees. Just like the highway system, the rails and the roads that are government built and maintained via contracts with private companies.

Of rail, airports, roads and ports, are the railroads the only system that does it’s own maintenance? We all benefit from them, so whether you drive a car or not you benefit from the roads and the trucks that deliver your stuff. Same for ships and airplanes.

OK. someone can pipe up and tell me why I’m full of it on this one.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Steve Case
September 21, 2022 5:27 pm

The first roads in this country were farm-to-market roads built with private funds, not government funds. As this network grew the maintenance and construction was pushed onto the county commissioners who many times just hired private contractors to do the work. The natural progression of government growth then subsumed this into the actual local governments.

It wasn’t until inter-city commerce became large enough that the states started to build roads and bridges between them. Same for federal highways. Whether this was a good thing or not is opinion and everyone has one.

Railroads are more like the telephone companies that grew during our growth in the 1800’s. They were classified as public utilities that were privately owned. The government controlled the fees they could charge as common carriers but never actually took them over, they just regulated the crap out of them.

If the government were to take over the railroads today every burg in the nation would be clamoring for a rail spur paid for by government money. (many of them had such spurs as recently as the 60’s but most are gone now and have been replaced by over-the-road trucks). A money pit for sure! Pray that never happens. Innovation would die. Efficiency would die (look at the money pit Amtrak is). It would be a huge step backwards – yet the Democrats would see it as an improvement!

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 21, 2022 9:16 pm

Canal systems were entirely built using private money.

starzmom
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 22, 2022 5:34 am

Our family’s home and farm date back to the mid-1700s with a warrant from the Penn brothers. In the actual deeds and warrants, a percentage of the land was to be set aside for roads, one of which still runs past the front of the house. No doubt the routes were the best for farm to market, and to the town for church (that is a pretty straight shot).

I am not entirely sure right now and do not have the deeds in front of me, but I believe the property goes out to the middle of the road, with the road being part of an easement to the state, which they maintain. Our use of the property pretty much goes right up to the road edge, although the township tries to exert control about 3-10 feet past the road edge.

Many of the roads in this area (central Pennsylvania) were at one time toll roads and each land owner collected money for maintenance; not sure when that task flipped to the state. It seems the system evolved over time, differently in different places, and can be rather messy.

DonM
Reply to  Steve Case
September 21, 2022 5:28 pm

where is the benefit?

Steve Case
Reply to  DonM
September 21, 2022 7:03 pm

where is the benefit?
_______________________

Drive around the south end of Lake Michigan sometime. There are way more 18 Wheeler Semi Truck Trailers than cars and every one has one two drivers and an 800 Horse Power engine. Trains have a small crew in the cab and pull an easy 100 cars twice the size of a semi trailer. The only reason the trucks compete with trains is because they don’t pay enough to maintain the roads. We help them with gas taxes and money from the general fund.

Simple answer is over the road trucking is inefficient compared to trains. Bulk goods should cost less by rail, and usually do but not all. Stock market reports tell you Yellow Corn by rail and truck, and my memory is that by truck was lower. Probably because you could cut out the elevator in all those little towns in the giant corn field in the Mid West.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Case
September 21, 2022 9:20 pm

Trucks are not inefficient. What’s inefficient is running a railroad line to every shop and grocery store.

Trains carry large loads between major hubs, trucks take individual loads from the major hubs to individual stores.

That’s the system we have now, and your proposed solution is much less efficient.

If there was a more efficient, cost efficient method of delivering goods, companies would be building it.

Jtom
Reply to  Steve Case
September 21, 2022 9:20 pm

Trucking is inefficient from point to point compared to trains, but not multi-points to multi-points. Trains don’t deliver to the customer in the vast number of cases. There will be an economic point where the rail line ends and trucks fan out from there. That point will be different depending on the cost of extending the rail line further, and the quantity of goods being shipped.

MarkW
Reply to  Jtom
September 22, 2022 9:15 am

Trucks are also a lot more flexible in that the truck can leave at any time and pick just about any route.

People who are spending their own money, will always try to find the best mix of convenience and low cost. I trust the individual to find this mix for themselves long before I would trust a government apparatchik to find it for them.

MarkW
Reply to  Steve Case
September 21, 2022 9:14 pm

As to railroads, why fix something that isn’t broken and works better than the government owned road system?

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
September 22, 2022 11:06 am

Wasn’t there a book about government trying to fix railroads? 🙂

starzmom
Reply to  Steve Case
September 22, 2022 5:22 am

At least in my area, the airport itself is owned by the city. Maybe there are grants but the land is owned by the city and the city passed a huge bond initiative to fund a new airport which will be open next year. No doubt the government dictates a lot of how this is done, but if the feds own it and are building it, why is the city on the hook for the millions in bonds it issued to finance it?

MarkW
Reply to  starzmom
September 22, 2022 9:16 am

A lot of airports started life as army air fields during the war. There are a few airports (Oklahoma City) that still serve both purposes.

Edit: I believe LA International was an Army airfield during the war.

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starzmom
Reply to  MarkW
September 22, 2022 12:54 pm

How many of those do you suppose have been turned over to civilian use and authority? Just curious.

The airport i cited above is Kansas City International, which replaced the “Downtown” airport in 1973 as the major commercial airport in the region. I note that there is also a huge runway (747 capable) in Olathe Kansas at the former Olathe Naval Air Station (yes, navy in Kansas and not even near a river). The land around it has been sold to various businesses and local government uses–the county jail has a huge complex there. I think there is still a small Marine detachment in the area. Every so often you can actually see a plane there.

Dennis
September 21, 2022 5:42 pm

Few people noticed or if they did were not interested when UN developed member nations signed the Lima Protocol during 1975 agreeing to a gradual transfer of manufacturing industry businesses to developing nations identified by the UN, like China. And again around 1990 when UN Agenda 21 – Sustainability was signed targeting many areas including creation of UN registered National Parks (for future generations) from government public lands effectively locking away minerals and energy, sustainable logging, new dams and Marine Parks limiting commercial fishing activities or prohibiting fishing.

And then the emissions reduction conferences and agreements, developing nations exempted.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Dennis
September 22, 2022 5:04 am

Lima was the start of the downhill slide and its getting faster now

Michael in Dublin
September 21, 2022 5:43 pm

If we are not going to be allowed to pump oil, how are we going to build roads without tar? Perhaps we will use cement? But wait that is as problematic. We will have to go back to Roman style roads but they will not be so good for heavy EVs and certainly not busses and trucks. Have the greenies even thought about these and a multitude of practical issues? It does not appear so.

H.R.
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 21, 2022 6:29 pm

Michel in Dublin: Have the greenies even thought about these and a multitude of practical issues? It does not appear so.”


They have, and to their view, freedom of movement and freedom of travel is a bug, not a feature.

If you are going to control everyone and everything, you can’t have people just up and going wherever they want willy nilly.

And if you are unhappy with every aspect of your life being controlled by the State, limited travel means people can’t get together to do sumpthin’ about it.

Jtom
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 21, 2022 9:30 pm

I have a more basic question. If we are not going to drill oil, what will we use to insulate electrical wiring? Cotton, silk? Plant-based insulation was tried. Rodents loved it.

Actually, it won’t get that far. No oil, no synthetic fertilizer. Starving people aren’t that concerned about a lack of power.

For those who say drill, just don’t use it for fuel, the question becomes, what do you do with all the unusable waste products, i.e., gasoline, kerosene, and diesel? Incinerate it? lol.

Old Man Winter
September 21, 2022 6:14 pm

Coming to a neighborhood near you- digital currancy is how they can
monitor & control you just like the social credit system is already
being used by the ChiComms. That control was tested on protesting
Canadian truckers & it worked pretty well.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/09/16/the-eu-is-speeding-towards-digital-id-currency-and-biometric-systems-for-tracking-citizens/

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/18/white-house-introduces-the-joe-biden-u-s-central-bank-digital-currency/

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H.R.
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 21, 2022 6:56 pm

“It worked pretty well…” until there was bank run by people who were in no way associated with the Canadian truckers, but who realized the same thing could happen to them.

Oops! Came awfully close to crashing the whole Canadian banking system.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  H.R.
September 21, 2022 9:30 pm

It silenced the truckers as well as revealed a bug they’ll have to fix
by the next time they eventually use it. Who knows, they may have
already checked it to see if there are other bugs in their plan.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Old Man Winter
September 22, 2022 5:10 am

Lot’s of smaller businesses here are starting to pass credit card charges (a form of digital currency) onto the customers. The wife and I are beginning to carry more cash than we used to. With the banks and credit card companies conspiring to track gun purchases it’s going to drive more cash purchases.

Maybe “cash is king” will be coming back?

AndyHce
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 24, 2022 11:51 pm

until it is no longer legal to use it. Those who think bitcoin and other non government tender are something different than Fed notes will perhaps come to realize that the only difference is much government control of the individual vs little government control.

observa
September 21, 2022 6:25 pm

Simples really-
Certified ‘genius’ Saul Griffith has a plan to decarbonise Australia — and it will only take 101 million machines (msn.com)

“Unless we figure out how to bring everyone along, the political project fails,”

Scissor
Reply to  observa
September 21, 2022 8:15 pm

He’s certified.

John R T
September 21, 2022 6:30 pm

Agreed.

Giordano Milton
September 21, 2022 6:48 pm

The left:
Create problems,
Complain about problems created,
promise to fix things,
Make Matters MUCH worse.

Rinse
Repeat

Jim Veenbaas
September 21, 2022 6:59 pm

i can tell you one thing that won’t happen – Trudeau nationalizing the oil sand industry in Alberta. His dad tried the same thing and he will get the same result.

Bob
September 21, 2022 7:08 pm

These people make me sick, the government couldn’t successfully pull off a one car parade.

TonyG
Reply to  Bob
September 22, 2022 11:08 am

the government couldn’t successfully pull off a one car parade.

Reminds me of the legal brothel in Nevada that the government took over, that ended up failing. Only the government could accomplish that.

ACParker
September 21, 2022 7:09 pm

It brings to mind, Philip Dru: Administrator, the book by Edward Mandell House. It presented House’s vision of a utopian society ruled by a benevolent dictatorial bureaucrat. He intended it to influence the growing Progressive Movement, gifting a copy to Pres. Wilson for whom he served as an advisor and diplomatic negotiator.

Some have labeled it dystopian fiction. I guess it depends on one’s proclivities.
Wikipedia appears to be quite keen on it. No surprise there.

n.n
September 21, 2022 8:28 pm

Maoism. Naziism. Stalinism. Fascism. Single/central/monopolistic solutions, often wicked, and final.

Reply to  n.n
September 22, 2022 4:09 am

Such names are not very helpful, all based on historic context and individual leaders. e.g., Mao-ism, Hit1er-ism, Sta1in-ism, Mussolini-ism.

I guess the USA is the opposite of oppressive big government centralisation; except it’s not, oddly enough it’s come full circle to being indistinguishable from any of the above. What government is bigger than the US government? What corporations are bigger than US corporations? Same for social media giants. Now – put all those three together, add in the media, add in some free-lance billionaires also, all of them singing from the same Davos hymn-sheet. What you have is the most sublimely efficient dictatorship of all time.

Wicked? That’s just a synonym of human.

MIKE TURN
September 21, 2022 10:06 pm

Sounds like the death penalty in CA. Democrats and their lawyers made sure to file appeal after appeal to delay for decades the carrying out of the penalty and then they wanted to ban it because it took too long to carry out the penalty and was thus cruel and unusual punishment.

Gyan1
September 21, 2022 10:52 pm

What we are seeing has been in the works since at least the 30’s.

“The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation… The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties, … and control the majority of the newspapers and magazines in this country. They use the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of office public officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government. It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.” – New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, New York Times, March 26, 1922

“I am grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. ” David Rockefeller

“Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – One World, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” David Rockefeller

“We are grateful. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries” David Rockefeller to Trilateral Commission in 1991

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Gyan1
September 22, 2022 5:41 am

I call it the Bureaucratic Hegemony. From local to state to federal government we are ruled by a Bureaucratic Hegemony and it’s rules and regulations that control every aspect of our lives. Our elected representatives are increasingly powerless to control the Bureaucratic Hegemony.

The Bureaucratic Hegemony is a living thing and like a living thing it has two imperatives – survival and growth. It’s like a weed. Until the gardener (i.e. the people) root out the weed it will continue to survive and grow. If this isn’t done then sooner or later the weeds will totally take over the garden. It won’t be a pretty picture, think of some kind of melding of Orwell’s 1984 and Huxley’s Brave New World.

Gyan1
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 22, 2022 10:12 am

We are overdue for the revolution Thomas Jefferson thought would be necessary every 200 years to weed out the excesses of government. Un-elected bureaucrats are making rules that have the force of law. This is a form of taxation without representation. The legislature is the only body authorized to make laws under the constitution. They have abdicated their obligations in favor of petty tyrants ruling fiefdoms for their own power rather than the public’s interest.

Bureaucracies get more funding by being as inefficient as possible. The more rules they can make the more power they have. Inefficiency is their most productive way to increase budgets. The waste of resources devoted to these meddling parasites diminishes human development and potential.

We need legislators who are willing to do their jobs and a GAO hit squad to take out the inefficient waste of our tax dollars.

george1st:)
September 21, 2022 11:30 pm

Democracy went out the window with early voting and mail in ballots .
What chance do we have ?

Peta of Newark
September 22, 2022 12:56 am

How dumb & ignorant is it possible to be: The UK has its very own AOC:

Boys & Girls, Ladies and Gents, I present Zarah Sultana MP (Lab. Coventry south)

Quote:”But what she hadn’t realised was that she was sat on a London North Eastern Railway (LNER) service – which has been owned by the Government since 2018.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/labour-mp-blames-rail-delay-privatisation-whilst-sitting-publicly/

griff
September 22, 2022 12:58 am

 intentionally collapse the current system with policies designed to create a crisis, havoc, and shortages.’

Paranoid nonsense: nobody is planning to deliberately collapse anything.

Reply to  griff
September 22, 2022 4:00 am

If they wanted an abrupt end to energy shortage and inflation they would seek a negotiated end to the ukraine proxy war.

When’s that going to happen? 3..2..1..

MarkW
Reply to  Phil Salmon
September 22, 2022 9:25 am

All Putin has to do is withdraw his troops from the Ukraine and the war would be over.

Disputin
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2022 4:41 am

Evidence?

Tim Gorman
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2022 5:50 am

Malarky! George Soros is! It’s how he makes his money!

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2022 9:24 am

So they are destroying the system by accident?

Beyond that, having them on record saying that this is their purpose just doesn’t seem impress you very much.

TonyG
Reply to  griff
September 22, 2022 11:11 am

Looks like griff never heard of Cloward and Piven.

AndyHce
Reply to  griff
September 25, 2022 12:00 am

how blind you are

Humility
September 22, 2022 3:19 am

Mussolini’s definition of Fascism: A national form of socialism. Look it up. So we have socialists who want to nationalize industry, nationalize laws away from states, control the economy directly. Hmmm, seems the ones who are accusing everyone else of fascism are the fascists.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Humility
September 22, 2022 6:05 am

If you read Marx, Engel’s, etc. they really describe three phases of progressing to Communism.

Fascism – govt control of business and capital
Socialism – govt ownership of business and capital
Communism – collective ownership of business and capital

Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc have always shortened the transition into Fascism and Socialism through revolutionary means rather than a gradual transition. The west is seeing today what happens with a gradual transition – and it isn’t any prettier than revolution.

The transition from Socialism to Communism has *never* happened anywhere. Not once. They put forth the trappings of collectivism but it’s always a facade like a movie set in a Hollywood western. Once Socialism sets in it is there to stay – the Bureaucratic Hegemony necessary for the Socialistic government never actually lets go of its power. Not in the Soviet Union, not in China, not in Cuba, not in Venezuela, not anywhere.

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
September 22, 2022 9:27 am

Of course collective ownership on any large scale is impossible, so it always gets stuck at government ownership.

AndyHce
Reply to  Humility
September 25, 2022 12:01 am

SOP

Bill T
September 22, 2022 3:20 am

I read The Hill daily and a bit back it went from fairly balanced to full woke and Democrat. It is now full progressive. Totally in the pocket of the far left and not trustworthy. So the call for nationalization is not unexpected.

Gyan1
Reply to  Bill T
September 22, 2022 8:17 pm

The Hill stopped allowing comments a while back because people were destroying the false narratives with reasoned and sourced facts. Woke leftists were being humiliated for their unsupported delusions.

TonyG
Reply to  Gyan1
September 23, 2022 7:34 am

Not just The Hill, a vast majority of online “news” outlets have removed the comments option. Interestingly, those that continue to allow comments are almost exclusively right-leaning.

September 22, 2022 3:57 am

Big climate news of today is the big fire at Tesla’s battery farm in California:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/tesla-megapack-battery-ignites-at-substation-after-less-than-6-months/ar-AA125GX9?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=9a68004971684893a07a7cb5e49b99cf

WUWT typically ponderously slow in picking up on such stories, expect a post in a week or so.

When they say “it’s white smoke, not black dirty smoke” it made me reflect on the racial supremacism that probably underlies much of the psychology of climate alarm and damnation-salvation-preaching.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Phil Salmon
September 22, 2022 4:07 am

😀

Don’t worry – perhaps all that lithium dioxide will help with their schizophrenia…

ozspeaksup
September 22, 2022 4:52 am

and if the usa wef and the rest werent pushing the war in ukie thered be NO energy woes(apart from usual greentard ones) totally created for an endgoal.
hear this arvo your banks hiled and crashed the eu uk and aus rates
gee thanks again

MarkW
Reply to  ozspeaksup
September 22, 2022 9:29 am

It really is amazing how the US secretly runs everything. We even ordered Putin to invade the Ukraine, and ordered Ukraine to fight back and beat them.

Gerry, England
September 22, 2022 5:08 am

The UK Green Party is off with the fairies – and unicorns – if it believes that we have a free market in electricity. It is hard to think of a more fettered and controlled industry in the UK, which explains why it is on the verge of collapse.

observa
September 22, 2022 5:44 am

Interesting with South African nation wide blackout-

Eskom is in a race against time to procure additional capacity from renewable energy sources like wind and solar through independent power producers.
South Africa in electricity crisis, nationwide blackouts (msn.com)

ScienceABC123
September 22, 2022 7:42 am

Nationalizing industries puts them on the government teat forever. If you think things are bad now just wait until a bureaucrat, whose livelihood depends on continued government control, takes over to run things!

MarkW
Reply to  ScienceABC123
September 22, 2022 9:30 am

A bureaucrat who is judged by how well he does what he’s told, not on whether or not the factory actually manages to produce something that people with a choice would buy.

Jeff in Calgary
September 22, 2022 8:01 am

I guess these guys think Venezuela is a shining example of great policy.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
September 22, 2022 8:50 pm

Yes. Really. You can’t even be sarcastic with these people.

ScienceABC123
Reply to  Joel Snider
September 23, 2022 2:17 am

True, they tend to view sarcasm as indorsing them.

CapitalistRoader
September 22, 2022 8:19 am

I tell German industry for example, “you have to produce such and such now.” I then return to this in the four-year plan. If German industry were to answer me, “we are not able to”, then I would say to it, “fine, then I will take that over myself, but it must be done.” but if industry tells me, “we will do that”, then I am very glad that I do not need to take that on.

— Adolph Hitler, Führer of the Nazi Party (1937)

Slowroll
September 22, 2022 10:42 am

Well, the Cloward-Piven plan called for complete destabilization of the country by overloading the give-away programs and disregard for law and order, so that economy collapsed, which then called for nationalization followed by martial law. They knew that leftism couldn’t win on its merits, so disorder was the mechanism.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Slowroll
September 22, 2022 8:52 pm

It’ always easier to destroy.
Destruction versus Creation. Kind of a basic argument.
It always gets down to whose side are you on?

Diogenese
September 22, 2022 10:58 am

And after the collapse ?what then ? The Moscow / Bejing company of boy scouts armed with a Swiss army knife will walk in and take over , those useful idiots running the great reset will disappear in the Stalinist way , sham trial , firing squad , the green revolution will cease funding canceled and will be forgotten treated as mass hysteria !

Andy Pattullo
September 22, 2022 3:40 pm

Small minds with big aspirations are a hazard to healthy human society.

Olen
September 22, 2022 4:19 pm

These people are communists. Total power for themselves and none for anyone else.

Joel Snider
September 22, 2022 5:25 pm

Honestly, it depresses me it was that easy.

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