Inflation Reduction Act will hinder EV growth

Dependance on lithium mining in America to qualify for subsidies, will further negatively impact the lithium supply chain for batteries and stagnate the mandated transition to EV’s.

Published August 24, 2022, at CFACT https://www.cfact.org/2022/08/24/inflation-reduction-act-will-hinder-ev-growth/

Ronald Stein  is an engineer, senior policy advisor on energy literacy for CFACT, and co-author of the Pulitzer Prize nominated book “Clean Energy Exploitations.”

After his mandate to transition to EV’s, President Joe Biden then signed The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) that requires EVs to contain a battery pack and other parts built in North America with minerals mined or recycled in America. With the chance of strip mining for lithium in America being slim to nil, no EV’s will qualify for the tax credits in the IRA.

Biden’s goal of 50 percent EV sales by 2030 will test lithium supply chains and the economic strength of the American society to meet those projections without any subsidies to procure those vehicles.

While the race is on to produce more lithium in the United States as the supply chain for the major component of EV batteries, lithium, is already being compromised internationally. The following international dark clouds on the lithium supply chain may be a prelude to an American rejection of strip mining in the most environmentally regulated and controlled communities in the world:

  • A proposal by the European Chemicals Agency’s (ECHA) risk assessment committee is aimed at labelling three lithium compounds as dangerous for human health. The compounds include lithium carbonate, chloride, and hydroxide. The final decision is expected to be made in late 2022 or early 2023. 
  • Earlier in 2022, Chinese EV giant BYD Co. won a government contract to mine lithium in Salar de Atacama, Chile – a huge chunk of terrain that holds 55 percent of the world’s known deposits of lithium. But before the company could tap into that resource, indigenous residents took to the streets and demanded the tender to be canceled over concerns about the impact on local water supplies. In June, the Chilean Supreme Court threw out the award, saying the government failed to consult with indigenous people first. In America, we call these local and environmentalist folks, NIMBY’s (Not-In-My-Back-Yard).
  • Initiatives to open mines and ore processing plants such as the ones in Serbia and Portugal have caused a public uproar as environmentalists and the local population are fearful about the impact on nature and people’s livelihoods. In other projects, engineers are trying to make the extraction of lithium from geothermal waters cost effective and harmless, without any mining. Currently, Portugal has called off a lithium project amid EU’s scramble for battery materials.

Due to potential fires, the FAA prohibites in checked baggage, spare (uninstalled) lithium metal batteries and lithium-ion batteries, electronic cigarettes and vaping devices. They must be carried with the passenger in carry-on baggage. Smoke and fire incidents involving lithium batteries can be mitigated by the cabin crew and passengers inside the aircraft cabin.

Since you’ve probably read about EV fires, here’s a site that keeps tabs just on TESLA EV fires https://www.tesla-fire.com/, Tesla Fires as of 8/19/2022 were 97 confirmed cases and Fatalities Involving a Tesla Car Fire Count were 38. Shockingly, while the Feds are banning lithium batteries in checked luggage on planes due to potential fires, Biden is pushing them for vehicles.

The actions of the Biden government and the Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) divesting in fossil fuels  movement are currently supportive of jumping onto the EV train, but Biden and the ESG’ers  may be oblivious that EV’s have a very dark side of environmental atrocities, and the non-existing transparency of human rights abuses occurring in other countries, both of which are directly connected to the mining for the exotic minerals and metals that are required to  manufacture wind turbines, solar panels, and EV batteries.

The Pulitzer Prize nominated book “Clean Energy Exploitations – Helping Citizens Understand the Environmental and Humanity Abuses That Support Clean Energy, does an excellent job of discussing the lack of transparency to the environmental degradation and humanity atrocities occurring in developing countries mining for those exotic minerals and metals to support the “green” movement. The subsidies to purchase EV’s are financial incentives to encourage further exploitations of yellow, brown, and black skin residents in developing countries. Are those subsidies ethical?

Amid tougher emissions regulations worldwide, established automakers are racing to add more EVs to their lineup. A Reuters analysis found that global automakers such as Audi, BMW, Hyundai, Fiat, Volkswagen, GM, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, Daimler, and Chrysler plan to spend a combined U.S. $300 billion on EVs over the next decade as car companies are betting big on EV’s.  Most of the EV’s will be manufactured in foreign countries far removed from American ports.

China came from zero production in 1950, to 2019 where it now produces more cars than the USA, Japan, and India collectively. The 6-minute video of the automobile manufacturing “needle shows how the foreign manufacturing dominance occurred over the that 69-year period.

Automobiles manufactured per year.

Bringing those foreign built cars to America may be an insurmountable insurance problem. The Felicity Ace, a 650-foot-long cargo ship carrying hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of luxury cars sunk in March 2022. The salvage crew working on the burning ship said electric-vehicle batteries were part of the reason it was still aflame after several days. The estimated market value of the Felicity Ace was $24.5 million, while the total value of the 3965 vehicles could be over $500 million.

With potential fires from EV batteries in vehicles, who’s going to take the insurance responsibility for their safe passage from the foreign manufacturers to American ports, the cargo ships, or the manufacturers?

How dirty is lithium strip mining?  Since the mineral contains dangerous substances, the mining process also contaminates the local water basins. Lithium extraction exposes the local ecosystems to poisoning and other related health problems. How many Americans want strip mining for lithium in their backyard to view the environmental degradation from leach fields which are part of the extraction efforts?

The number of electric cars on the world’s roads at the end of 2021 was about 16.5 million, or just slightly more than one percent of the 1.4 billion vehicles in the world. With lithium production being setback internationally, EV growth will be hindered as locals’ revolt over lithium mining impacts on water supplies and environmental degradation in their communities.

Ronald Stein, P.E.​
Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure

http://www.energyliteracy.net/

5 20 votes
Article Rating
117 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
fretslider
August 25, 2022 6:09 am

Ouroboros

Tom Halla
August 25, 2022 6:11 am

The hard core greens do nit actually want electric vehicles, they want sedan chairs.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 25, 2022 6:27 am

‘Electric’ ( coal fired ) vehicles are as stupid as net zero.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 25, 2022 8:13 am

I think they’d buy off on people renting self driving cars on a per-trip basis, providing the requested destinations are on the approved list.

John Bell
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 25, 2022 8:41 am

Ever notice, it seems to me, that greens, on the one hand, see themselves as being serfs under the jackboot of the “big greedy corporations” and therefore ought to be allowed to soak the rich, yet when it comes time for them to make sacrifices for the climate they see themselves as elites who need not make sacrifices because that is for the little people to do.

Joe Wagner
August 25, 2022 6:35 am

We can just all go back to steam cars powered by wood burners. Closed CO2 cycle FTW! </s>

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Joe Wagner
August 25, 2022 7:21 am

That would create pushback by Drax supporters and lobbyists.

Barnes Moore
August 25, 2022 6:40 am

I predict the EV market will implode within 10 years for a variety of reasons – this article points out one of many problems. It’s not just lithium mining, but the mining for all the other elements that are needed as well – the overall material supply chain issue as Mr. Stein documented here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/15/weakest-link-to-ev-growth-is-the-material-supply-chain/

Plus, the electric grid infrastructure that will be required to support them will not likely be built out anytime soon. Unless there are sufficient Super Chargers available, the charging time required will be a significant detractor – even with Super Chargers, the time required to recharge is much longer than simply filling a tank, plus the range for ICE vehicles is much better than EVs, so EVs will need to recharge more frequently. Then there is the issue of what happens in areas that get snow storms – imagine a highway with even just 10% of the cars being EVs with dead batteries, or evacuations from hurricanes or other severe weather events that may create power outages so EV’s can’t be recharged. It’s not like you can carry or deliver a 5 gallon can of electricity. Then there is the resale value. My 2009 Lexus with over 100,000 miles had a market value of over $10,000 when we traded it 2 years ago when it was 11 years old. I seriously doubt a Tesla will have much residual value after 11 years and 100,000 miles even if the battery is supposed to last another 100K miles.

Only time will tell about any of this, but the last thing I plan on doing is investing in car manufacturers who are going all in for EVs.

There is a lot of talk about other battery technologies, but to my knowledge (limited as it is), there is no commercially viable alternative at this point.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Barnes Moore
August 25, 2022 7:26 am

There is a lot of talk about other battery technologies, but to my knowledge (limited as it is), there is no commercially viable alternative at this point.

The Search for the Magic Battery will continue until the green cash dries up.

Richard Page
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 25, 2022 7:55 am

Most of the schemes for the green utopia revolve around development of the magic battery within the next few years. Without it they have nothing.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 25, 2022 8:55 am

In their ‘Global EV Outlook 2022’ the IEA say

Lithium is the most critical metal for EVs as it has no commercially available substitute at scale”

observa
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 25, 2022 6:19 pm

It’s not just lithium as rational voices are beginning to tell the dunderheads-
Uh, we don’t even have enough resources to replace the batteries we’re running now… – Stockhead
The numpties need to recognize they’re at the extreme ends now with lithium and graphite-
Periodic Table of Elements – PubChem (nih.gov)

Gerry, England
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 26, 2022 6:58 am

And if the Magic Battery did arrive and makes battery cars a great idea, then you won’t need to introduce fascist laws to make people buy them – they will sell themselves.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Barnes Moore
August 25, 2022 8:14 am

After all, where will you get the cobalt? There are only so many Congonese kids out there…

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Spetzer86
August 25, 2022 8:48 am

I guess the parents will have to forego their mint juleps and join the kids in the mines.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 25, 2022 9:47 am

Don’t worry, Clyde, Wokists will dictate that only ETHICAL cobalt mined by big machinery and big companies be used…kids and parents who make a living with artisanal mining will be sent home to starve in abject poverty. The law of unintended consequences is the unwritten law of the jungle countries….

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Spetzer86
August 25, 2022 9:22 am

China is interested in this market and has a lot of experience with forced labor. They’ll come up with a solution.

Mac
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 25, 2022 10:06 am

We will see how well they do in Afganistan with the Taliban in control.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Mac
August 25, 2022 10:44 am

I think the Chinese will find a willing and cooperative partnership with the Taliban. They’re both autocracies, they just have to work out the details.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 25, 2022 10:37 am

For some reason, I don’t think The Big Guy will get a 10% cut!

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Old Man Winter
August 25, 2022 10:39 am

What! You have no faith in the Biden crime family.
They have connections and the will to corrupt anyone and anything.

Mac
Reply to  Barnes Moore
August 25, 2022 10:03 am

Reminds me that a couple of years ago I was staying in a hotel in Albuquerque, NM. There was a guy there that drove a Chevy Bolt from Topanga Cyn Calif to Albuq. It’s about 750 miles (I lived there for a few years and drove to Albuq to see my mother). I asked him how long it took him; 4DAYS with stops to charge the battery. I drove it in 11-13 hrs.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  Mac
August 25, 2022 12:03 pm

So, if your going to invest in anything, maybe it’s the hotel chains put up next to charging stations.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Barnes Moore
August 26, 2022 8:02 am

A few years back when driving to LA via I-40, we stopped in Kingman AZ for the night—the motel had a big electrical construction project in progress installing at least a dozen new charging receptacles. I’m guessing this is still going on up and down all the interstates.

Bryan A
August 25, 2022 6:44 am

So…how many of those 28m autos produced in China are produced FOR existing auto companies (Ford, GM, Chevrolet, etc.) and how many are crappy knockoffs with jumbled names and mirrored logos?

Duane
August 25, 2022 7:20 am

A whopping 97 Tesla fires all time to date? And 38 fatalities! Wow!

Of course the USA alone experiences an average of 287 THOUSAND vehicle fires every freaking year, virtually ALL of which are ICVs, that account for 12% of all fire deaths per year.

So Tesla has one helluva lot of catching up to do.

By the way, gas or diesel fires in vehicles are vastly more lethal than lithium battery fires.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 7:27 am

The usual Duh-ane clown show, nothing to see here.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 25, 2022 1:47 pm

Rather than name calling why don’t you try to dispute what he wrote.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
August 25, 2022 1:51 pm

That is funny coming from you.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
August 25, 2022 8:11 pm

I think you will find in the past I only resort to that level when the first punch is thrown. But I’ve decided not to stoop to their level any more and call them out when the breach site rules. Other wise it just becomes a shit fight.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
August 26, 2022 8:03 am

Did you buy into the Alfa Bank hoax also, TDS-boi?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
August 26, 2022 9:18 am

I think you will find that your recollection is quite faulty.

Richard Page
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 7:57 am

“By the way, gas or diesel fires in vehicles are vastly more lethal than lithium battery fires.” Only in Hollywood films, not real life.

Dennis
Reply to  Richard Page
August 25, 2022 9:02 pm

In Australia now State vehicle registration requires a blue sticker to be displayed on the front and read registration plate to alert road traffic and fire authorities that the vehicle is all electric or hybrid, the risk of an inferno is the reason.

fretslider
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 8:48 am

Are American cars ever tested?

Bill Toland
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 8:50 am

Duane, not too good at arithmetic, are you? The number of deaths caused by vehicle fires in the USA is 345 per year. Tesla cars make up less than 1% of the number of vehicles on American roads. Do the math.

Last edited 3 months ago by Bill Toland
Bill Toland
Reply to  Bill Toland
August 25, 2022 9:11 am

Duane, I’ll do the math for you. If the number of deaths caused by Tesla car fires was equivalent to other cars, the death rate would be 2 per year in the USA. Tesla car fires have already killed 10 people in the USA in the first seven months of this year.

Last edited 3 months ago by Bill Toland
Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 8:53 am

Those numbers mean nothing unless they are put into the context of the total number of EVs and ICVs. It is possible to extinguish a gasoline fire if caught early. The same cannot be said for Li-ion battery fires.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 8:57 am

Gas or diesel fires don’t reignite hours, days or even weeks after being put out. EV fires do.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 25, 2022 9:27 am

Gas and diesel vehicles also don’t ignite while in storage without interference.

Richard Page
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 25, 2022 10:08 am

I have also yet to see a gas or diesel car sink an entire ship, let alone 2 or 3.

Doonman
Reply to  Dave Andrews
August 25, 2022 9:58 pm

And the amount of gas burning in the vehicle doesn’t weigh 2000 lbs

DonM
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 9:27 am

To quote Duane, with the proper perspective:

“Dtha prthethudent obthe Usth dbose noth habth dthe babilithy dto impacthc oil phrifcies”

Nothing else he claims can be trusted.

Redge
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 10:41 am

Has a diesel bus ever destroyed several other diesel buses? The answer is no.

Has an EV bus ever destroyed several other EV buses? The answer is yes, several times in the last few years.

ICE engines do not spontaneously combust, EVs battery packs do.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 11:02 am

You underestimate the potential for vastly more battery fires with volume production by GM, Ford, Kia, Fiat, and Nissan. But VW will find a way to erase the data with software.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 11:32 am

Duane is starting to grasp numerical illiteracy almost as fervently as does griff.

First off, you have to adjust for the number of EVs vs the number of ICEs.
Then you need to adjust for the age of EVs vs the age of ICEs.
Finally you have to account for the fact that almost all of those ICE fires had nothing to do with the fuel system.

Almost all ICE fires are the result of electrical problems or accidents.

As to his claims regarding deaths caused by fires in ICE cars, Duane is getting almost as good at griff at inventing data when he can’t actually find any.

I’m wondering why Duane is so desperate to make up lies in support of his beloved EVs? Is he trying to convince himself that he didn’t make a huge mistake when he purchased his most recent vehicle?

mal
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 5:26 pm

What the marker shares of Tesla? with an apple-to-apple comparison your complaint means nothing.

Dennis
Reply to  Duane
August 25, 2022 9:00 pm

What is the percentage of EV in the global vehicle fleet, one per cent yet?

Liquid fuel fires are usually controllable whereas exothermic reaction in lithium-ion is very difficult to deal with.

John Endicott
Reply to  Duane
August 26, 2022 3:14 am

the USA alone experiences an average of 287 THOUSAND vehicle fires every freaking year,

Where’d you pull that number out of? your ass? According to Fema it’s 171,500  resulting in an annual average of 345 deaths or 1 death for approx every 500 fires vs Tesla’s 38 fatalities for 97 fires or roughly 1 death for every 3 fires!!!!

Keep in mind:
Older vehicles are the most likely to catch fire – the EV fleet is a lot younger than the ICE fleet, so EV fires would be expected to increase as the EV fleet ages.

MarkW
Reply to  John Endicott
August 26, 2022 9:21 am

The vast, vast majority of these fires come from one of two causes.
A crash, or some form of electrical short.
Neither of these has anything to do with the fuel system.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
August 29, 2022 2:34 am

True, but you don’t even need to mention that to show the disparity between ICE and EV fires. 1 death per 500 fires vs 1 death per 3 fires is a damning enough statistic to blow Duh-ane’s nonsense out the window.

ResourceGuy
August 25, 2022 7:23 am

Let’s see the before and after numbers for the UK and Australia.

Carlo, Monte
August 25, 2022 7:25 am

Inflation Reduction Act will hinder EV growth

This is great news!

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 25, 2022 9:28 am

Once they figure it out, it will be amended.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 25, 2022 10:44 am

Mistakes on liberal bills & laws are a feature, not a bug. It gives
them more chances to waste even more $$$ & screw up the
system more doing even nastier & dumber things!

Sowprobl.jpg
Brad-DXT
Reply to  Old Man Winter
August 25, 2022 10:48 am

I think that if the bill doesn’t get the right people paid off, they’ll amend it. Politicians only correct the mistakes that don’t pay off for them.

DonM
Reply to  Old Man Winter
August 25, 2022 11:12 am

I believe it was Schumer, on TV, saying that the Affordable Care Act would not work out, but it would be the impetus to get us to nationalized health care.

Sometimes they are honest … Buttigieg and Granholm(?) both saying that gas prices being high are a good thing and will help the EV cause ….

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 25, 2022 12:27 pm

^THIS.

I see the headline as GOOD NEWS. ANYTHING that stops the force-feeding of these worse-than-useless things on the public at large is a GOOD thing!

Terry
August 25, 2022 7:32 am

I’d be curious to know what this mitigation is, as it’s contrary to everything I’ve read.

Smoke and fire incidents involving lithium batteries can be mitigated by the cabin crew and passengers inside the aircraft cabin.

Richard Page
Reply to  Terry
August 25, 2022 7:58 am

Very easy – you open a door or window and throw it out. sarc

dmacleo
Reply to  Terry
August 25, 2022 8:13 am

those items can easily be seen and hit with the handheld extinguishers. they are small enough to be handled like that.

in cargo bays fire bottles may not be able to directly access the item and continue burning with no recourse to access and extinguish.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Terry
August 25, 2022 9:05 am

“In the aviation industry alone, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reported a total of 340 incidents involving smoking or burning lithium-ion batteries between 2006 and 2021.”

I haven’t heard of any aircraft being brought down by battery fires, so I guess they can be handled.
comment image

MarkW
Reply to  Terry
August 25, 2022 11:37 am

Are there fire proof containers available to the cabin crew?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
August 25, 2022 6:37 pm

I think what is needed is an airtight container, with Space Shuttle re-entry tiles lining the inside (lighter than fire brick), and thick, heat-resistant insulation on the outside.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Terry
August 25, 2022 12:44 pm

Well don’t the toilets flush into the air? There you go! LOL

MarkW
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
August 25, 2022 1:53 pm

No, they flush into a storage tank.

AndyHce
Reply to  Terry
August 25, 2022 3:59 pm

open a window

Steve4192
Reply to  Terry
August 26, 2022 4:22 am

Putting out a lithium fire with a source that weighs a few grams or, at most, a few ounces is one thing. Putting out a lithium fire with a source that weighs a few thousand pounds is an entirely different kettle of fish.

Climate believer
August 25, 2022 7:50 am

Inflation Reduction Act will hinder EV growth.

Rich Lambert
August 25, 2022 7:53 am

The article doesn’t support the title.

Sam Capricci
August 25, 2022 7:57 am

I’m not sure the government is actually that interested in the production of EVs. I saw an excerpt of an interview with Pete Buttigieg where the interviewer asked him about how the electric infrastructure would be able to handle hundreds of millions of vehicles trying to recharge at various times.

Paraphrasing he said something along the lines of they do not want people to buy EVs to replace their ICE autos, they want people to be living in (or forced to move to) cities and use public transportation, personal transportation was what they want to do away with. This of course will not be good news for the auto industry nor of course for the hundreds of millions of ICE (and some EVs) vehicles owned now. But I’m sure our betters have this all worked out. They have a better world in mind for us, or at least themselves.

Watching and listening to these people, I’ve come to the conclusion that they are just Malthusians who believe they are the smart people and we are just detritus. Only some of us should be kept around to do their menial tasks and serve them while the rest of us should just die off to leave the world a better place for them.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Sam Capricci
August 25, 2022 8:17 am

Moving people into cities will go much smoother just as soon as there’s 90% less of us. Then, you’d have to move to the cities to get the government supplied food, health care, and housing.

Reply to  Sam Capricci
August 25, 2022 8:58 am

Sam, you are spot on! There are many well-meaning useful idiots within the environmental activists, but those at the top actually have an entirely different agenda, and you have nailed it. Simply put, they don’t want the hoi poloi driving at all, and not because of environmental concerns but because driving supports individual freedom and gives the non-elites too much power to make choices on their own. It is the same with homelessness—after 12 years of trying to deal with that scourge in one city, I can attest that while the social workers on the street mean well enough, even when wrongheaded, the electeds and bureaucrats they work for don’t really care, they see lots of people on the street as a means to achieve other goals, namely density “equity,” as in the case of forcing hotels to take in homeless every night in their empty rooms (so far in New York and Los Angeles, but coming soon to your city). They want it to be so bad on the streets that people will accept almost anything to deal with it, including quartering the homeless in all our empty rooms. (Cue the Dr Zhivago scene when he comes home from the war and people are sleeping on his stairway.). We all have to stop thinking that the environmental and similar movements are actually about the environment. These movements are just means to other ends.

Steve4192
Reply to  Jeffrey C. Briggs
August 26, 2022 4:26 am

The middle-management implementing this stuff may be well-meaning dupes, but IMO the folks at the top know exactly what they are doing.

John Bell
Reply to  Sam Capricci
August 25, 2022 9:47 am

YUP! well said.

2hotel9
August 25, 2022 8:09 am

Quinn’s 1st Law once again rears its ugly head. As soon as Faux Joe Xiden crowed about this all the EV makers raised their prices on EVs by $6500-8500 per. And today all colleges in US are hiking tuitions by $10,000 per semester. Exactly what the leftards wanted all along, price people out of EVs and education.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  2hotel9
August 25, 2022 9:41 am

Raising the cost of EVs is okay with me. They are only useful in niche applications.

Raising the cost of education is okay by me except in STEM fields.
If someone wants to pay more for propaganda, more power to them. In the future, they will have to say “You want fries with that?” with a smile on their face.

Steve4192
Reply to  Brad-DXT
August 26, 2022 4:33 am

In the future, burger joints will be automated and do away with those pesky employees.

Those future college grads will find employment in the ever-growing HR/DEI/compliance departments that are metastasizing in every corporation, university, and government agency. 20 years from now, half of the American populace will be working in administrative oversight/compliance job while productivity sinks like a stone.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  2hotel9
August 25, 2022 12:48 pm

With what passes for “education” today, the more people “priced out of it” the better.

Ditto for worse-than-useless battery powered cars.

2hotel9
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
August 25, 2022 3:53 pm

Learn a trade. THAT is the route to wealth in the 21st Century.

Simon
Reply to  2hotel9
August 25, 2022 1:53 pm

 As soon as Faux Joe Xiden crowed about this all the EV makers raised their prices on EVs by $6500-8500 per.”
I call BS on this. Proof please?

2hotel9
Reply to  Simon
August 25, 2022 3:37 pm

Ahh, it is the lie spewing liar simple! Prove they have not done so, c*nt.

Simon
Reply to  2hotel9
August 25, 2022 8:14 pm

Mods, is it fine to call someone a c*nt for asking a contributor to back up a claim? If so, then WUWT is not what it used to be.

Last edited 3 months ago by Simon
2hotel9
Reply to  Simon
August 26, 2022 4:50 am

Poor little simple, you started this and once again you are crying about it, which proves that is what you are. Now, spin&twirl and spew more lies.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  2hotel9
August 26, 2022 8:07 am

He seems to had morphed a bit from spewing nonsense to whining about how he is treated.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 26, 2022 12:58 pm

WUWT has a set or rules. Site moderators used to delete any vulgar worlds like the one above. They are clearly over worked or have lowered the standard that is acceptable here. And no, I don’t consider it whining that I highlight what is clearly a post that lowers the quality of the site. Do you?

Richard Page
Reply to  Simon
August 26, 2022 8:07 am

Not really but there can be exceptions. I recall many, many instances of you doing exactly the same thing – is it rank hypocrisy to start a cycle of behaviour and then cry foul when it’s stops being fun for you? Yes.

Simon
Reply to  Richard Page
August 26, 2022 12:51 pm

Never, ever have I used that word. And always, any childish putdowns I used, were to hold a mirror to the name caller.
If you have an example of me using a word like that, I will happily apologise to you. Good luck.

Last edited 3 months ago by Simon
MarkW
Reply to  Simon
August 25, 2022 5:52 pm

Took me all of 15 seconds to find this

https://greenlivingnews.com/2022-08-24-ev-price-hikes-cancel-out-tax-credits.html

I’m not familiar with this publication, but from their name alone, they hardly sound like big oil stooges.

2hotel9
August 25, 2022 8:10 am

Oh, and everyone enrolling in the student loan “forgiveness” program are going to see their credit scores ruined. It’s a twofer!

ResourceGuy
Reply to  2hotel9
August 25, 2022 10:47 am

Except the administration will send out warning letters to the credit agencies much like this letter….

Granholm to Europe: Tough Luck – WSJ
America’s allies in Europe are desperate for alternative supplies of fuel amid the Ukraine war, and U.S. producers are happy to provide what they can. So wouldn’t you know the Biden Administration now wants to limit fuel exports.
That’s the message Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm sent last week in a letter imploring seven major refiners to limit fuel exports. We obtained a copy of the letter, which the Administration didn’t release publicly. Ms. Granholm warns that gasoline inventories on the East Coast are at a near-decade low, and diesel stocks are nearly 50% below the five-year average across the region.
“Given the historic level of U.S. refined product exports, I again urge you to focus in the near term on building inventories in the United States, rather than selling down current stocks and further increasing exports,” she writes.
“It is our hope that companies will proactively address this need,” she adds. “If that is not the case, the Administration will need to consider additional Federal requirements or other emergency measures.” In New Jersey they call that an offer you can’t refuse.

DonM
Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 25, 2022 5:59 pm

“… emergency measures.”

It seems it is one emergency after another.

But if you can fix it with incentives (reasonable, clear & objective and guaranteed regulatory measures) with respect to permitting (drilling & refining & transporting), then it is not an emergency. It is self made problem.

Ms. Granholm is a bad person. Not just incompetent … a bad person that will continue to prostitute herself until no one wants her anymore.

August 25, 2022 8:30 am

A DEMRAT RESTRICTION ACT TO PREVENT JOEY BIDEN AND HIS FELLOW CRIMINALS FROM DESTROYING AMERICA IS NEEDED.

John Bell
August 25, 2022 8:33 am

Seems like all my lib friends take anti depressants, lithium carbonate is one, Lithium (Eskalith, Lithobid) is one of the most widely used and studied medications for treating bipolar disorder. Lithium helps reduce the severity and frequency of mania. It may also help relieve or prevent bipolar depression. Studies show that lithium can significantly reduce suicide risk.

2hotel9
Reply to  John Bell
August 25, 2022 3:40 pm

So, why is suicide so prevalent among the users of lithium?

MarkW
Reply to  2hotel9
August 25, 2022 5:58 pm

People who take nitroglycerine tablets tend to have a lot of heart attacks.
People who take insulin tend to have problems with high blood sugar.

Clyde Spencer
August 25, 2022 8:44 am

Smoke and fire incidents involving lithium batteries can be mitigated by the cabin crew and passengers inside the aircraft cabin.

How does one mitigate a lithium-ion battery fire in an aircraft cabin made of aluminum and flammable plastics, with a re-circulating air supply?

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 25, 2022 10:03 am

Land now!

Richard Page
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 25, 2022 10:12 am

I thought they stopped recirculating the air supply?

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 25, 2022 11:42 am

Fire proof containers?

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
August 25, 2022 6:00 pm

Or perhaps an asbestos lined bag.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
August 25, 2022 6:40 pm

Probably a good idea, but not currently implemented.

Richard Page
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 26, 2022 8:09 am

One or two more instances and they’ll need to bring them in, also a mechanism to deal with fumes.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
August 26, 2022 9:24 am

Air liners are constantly refreshing the air in the cabin. Perhaps they could turn the fans up to max for awhile.

DonM
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 25, 2022 6:08 pm

liquid nitrogen?

Ouluman
August 25, 2022 9:03 am

The Craziness is incredible. So ok to destroy environment in Chile but you get no tax credits. If you destroy environment in US the you do qualify for credits. Meanwhile demand (forced by Govt) to outstrip supply means costs spiral with or without subsidies. What a mess, think I’ll stick to my ICE for as long as possible. 😁 EVs will die out by 2028, i just cannot see how they can mass produce them.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Ouluman
August 25, 2022 10:41 am

And if you do try to extract the lithium in California brines, there is a tax for that. Have a good day.

California Approves Tax On Lithium Extraction – CleanTechnica

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Ouluman
August 25, 2022 1:16 pm

I hope every auto maker going “all in” on bev stupidity ends up with parking lots full of them that they can’t sell.

Will serve them right for lining up at the government trough.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ouluman
August 25, 2022 6:44 pm

I think that I too will see how long I can make my 2014 Subaru last. I nursed 40+ years and ~ 500,000 miles out of my 1970 IH Scout. If I can get 25 years out of my Subaru, I will probably expire before it does.

John Oliver
August 25, 2022 9:11 am

I’m not so worried about battery fires in EVs any more than a ruptured fuel tanks causing me to be surrounded by fuel about to ignite after a crash. (Yes i am aware how hard to extinguish a lithium batt fire is)I am however very worried about the entire ridiculous Net Zero, great reset, socialist (actually closer to communism) scheme that all this market manipulation is a part of. Sam summed it well.

Reply to  John Oliver
August 25, 2022 6:33 pm

Marx himself said that “socialism” was just a more acceptable word than “communism,” but there really is no distinction except maybe at some of the edges. Akin to changing “Global warming” to “climate change,” or “redistribution” to “equity.” Orwell nailed the language of tyranny. So I no longer use the word “socialist,” I call a commie a commie. Never forget that whatever else can be said about Senator Joe McCarthy, he actually was right. We are now seeing the results of that patient communist infiltration and inculcation.

Richard Page
Reply to  Jeffrey C. Briggs
August 26, 2022 8:11 am

Socialism is when it’s a small number of countries. Communism is when it’s everywhere.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeffrey C. Briggs
August 26, 2022 9:26 am

Communists are just socialists in a hurry.
They both get to the same place, the socialists just take a slightly longer path.

Dave Fair
August 25, 2022 1:29 pm

A classic example of governments failing to do due-diligence prior to implementing a major policy (also the law of unintended consequences). Just imagine the chaos of something big like Nut Zero! This sort of “thinking” could destroy Western capitalism and result in widespread privation and social unrest.

August 25, 2022 2:57 pm

Over the pond in the UK the country’s economy shrank in 2020 by 11% – the biggest fall since 1709. That’s even before the proxy war started.
What happened in 1709? The big freeze.
But – I thought that warming was supposed to be the big danger…

August 25, 2022 11:35 pm

It is hard to believe that Democrats would hinder EV sales growth in any way. I wonder if reading the fine print would discover the legislations did not do what people currently think it does. I mean, who reads and understands every word of any legislation?

Steve4192
Reply to  Richard Greene
August 26, 2022 4:43 am

You’ve got to pass the bill to find out what is in the bill

  • Nancy Pelosi
%d bloggers like this: