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Galileo9
July 28, 2022 2:13 am

Is this Fake News? If it is then it should be called out, if it isn’t then perhaps it should get wider attention.

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griff
Reply to  Galileo9
July 28, 2022 2:26 am

Perhaps you’d like to give us how much is excavated for a petrol or diesel vehicle? Including the fossil fuel to power it thru its life?

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 3:15 am

Volvo have answered that question. Doing back to back comparisons with the same model, rolling off the same production line, one ICE the other EV, the EV needed to run for 90,000 miles before it began to pay back the emissions produced in its manufacture, relative to the same ICE vehicle.

The average annual UK mileage is around 10,000 miles, so 9 years necessary to pay back the emissions only, excluding the substantial extra cost of the EV over the ICE.

Now you know griff, no need for you to ask that question again, is there?

Old England
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 4:16 am

and of course with Average EV battery life of 7 years or so it is difficult to see that EVs bring any reduction in emissions – and not least because when the battery expires the cost of replacement is typically much greater than the value of the EV and the emissions from producing the new battery start the cycle once again.

Reply to  Old England
July 28, 2022 9:37 am

“of course with Average EV battery life of 7 years or so”

Baloney alert !’

Consumer Reports estimates the average EV battery pack’s lifespan to be at around 200,000 miles, which is nearly 17 years of use if driven 12,000 miles per year.

HotScot
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 28, 2022 10:21 am

And you called Old England’s a “Baloney” alert?

200,000 miles? At an average of 10,000 miles per year (in the UK, but 17 years if you wish), is 20 years of motoring, on a single battery.

Who keeps a car for 17 years never mind 20 years?

Convention for new car buyers in the UK, including fleets, is to keep a car for 3 years. Beyond that cars must undergo an MOT test. The entire infrastructure of British motoring revolves around that simple concept.

I’m absolutely certain EV batteries are good for 200,000 miles, but not over 20 years. Perhaps 5 years for high mileage users but the batteries deteriorate rapidly from constant charging and discharging cycles.

Quite how you can claim that EV batteries can last for 20 years when even minor adoption of them has only been over the last 5 – 10 years, is quite beyond me.

Perhaps a computer generated ‘battery’ model was concocted?

Oldseadog
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 1:35 am

Who keeps a car for 17 years? I have kept my B180 diesel merc for 15 years, it still has the original exhaust pipe and battery and has done, so far, 150,000 miles at 55 mpg. The battery is lead acid, though, and just starts the engine.

BobM
Reply to  Oldseadog
July 29, 2022 5:29 pm

I have my 1999 Chevy Suburban with 225,000 miles on it, and just retired my 2006 Chevy Impala with 341,000 miles on it.

Old England
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 28, 2022 12:02 pm

I based 7 years on the typical failure age and the fact that battery warranty is typically 5 – 7 years with Tesla offering 10 .

Also the Swedish study found an average EV battery life of around 7 years.

Meab
Reply to  Old England
July 29, 2022 8:00 am

Tesla’s warranty is 8 years. 10 in California (by law). Tesla will only repair battery if it falls below 70% remaining capacity. So the car you bought because it supposedly had a 300 mile range won’t get fixed unless the range falls below 210 miles. Since you can see up to a 40% reduction in range in winter, that 210 miles could shrink to 125 miles before Tesla would honor their warranty.

That should tell the people who believe the claim of 17 year lifespans that something is seriously amiss.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 28, 2022 2:45 pm

Estimated. How about using actual data?

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 4:56 am

Plus, of course, resale value.. would you buy a 5 year old EV with it’s original battery?

Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 28, 2022 9:41 am

Why not?
The battery can be tested before purchase.
If you really wanted an electric car.
Using the car’s built-in battery life estimator is a good starting point, but dealerships or electric car specialists at independent shops can give you even more information. They’ll plug the EV into a computer equipped with special software that can provide a detailed look into the battery’s health.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 28, 2022 10:26 pm

The positive thing with an Ice vehicle is the relative ease in maintaining one into old age.
A catastrophic engine/gearbox failure on a popular model and there’s a choice of dozens in scrapyards at relatively low cost and reconditioned if you want to spend more.
Watch the reruns of “Wheeler Dealers” for more information.
Is a secondhand battery ever going to be an option? Cost, range and reliability all being problematic

DonM
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 29, 2022 9:29 am

how much do they charge to warranty their estimate of remaining battery life?

Galileo9
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 5:51 am

That’s interesting, I didn’t know that, thanks 👍

Joao Martins
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 3:21 am

griff, if you wish just answer the question that was posed. Please don’t take us as fools by trying to AVOID the answer by changing the subject.

Mac
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 4:48 am

Griff, How do they make EVs without fossil fuels? The steel, aluminum, carbon fiber rubber for the tires etc?

Mr.
Reply to  Mac
July 28, 2022 6:58 am

Elves make EVs.
Everyone who believes that CO2 is the control knob for climates knows that.

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Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Mr.
July 28, 2022 2:47 pm

No, no, it’s unicorns.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
July 28, 2022 6:54 pm

Well no, but the elves ride unicorns to work, so they are involved.

Joao Martins
Reply to  Mac
July 28, 2022 8:04 am

In the last months griff is revising the subject by seeig the old “The Flintstones” animation series…

Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 5:42 am

Griffy boy, the issue at hand is the BATTERIES. The car itself still adds as much on top as a conventional, working, effective, cheap, safe IC car. A door is a door, no matter the engine type. Tyres are tyres, windows are windows. Only, as is confirmed regularly, Teslas are notoriously poorly built using low quality materials. It is not often one outlasts its own battery, and then you find out how much of the buying price hid in the lithium bomb, also notoriously poor quality.
Oh, and a well of ten inches, thousand feet deep excavates, let’s see (I am furiously converting to ISO here)…about 500 cubic feet. And then it delivers oil for years.
Now, you wanna do for us the excavations needed to build one of them Green Supplies that will charge that battery of yours?
Cherry-picking facts is a strong temptation, Griff, a strong, evil temptation. Maybe there is a twelve-step programme for you to join?

Simon
Reply to  cilo
July 28, 2022 10:34 pm

Cherry-picking facts is a strong temptation, Griff, a strong, evil temptation. “
“Teslas are notoriously poorly built using low quality materials.”
Bullshite…. A cherry picked fact for ya. The early ones had some issues like most early technologies. Later ones are fine.

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Meab
Reply to  Simon
July 29, 2022 8:03 am

You’re lying, Simple Simon. The Tesla Model X is still at the very bottom of Consumer Report’s reliability list.

Galileo9
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 5:50 am

Griff, I just came across this on Facebook and wondered if it was true and knowing what FB is like with their “Fact Checkers” they’re normally pretty hot on this sort of post. If I had come across a post which reportedly gave details on how much excavation it took to access fossel fuels then I would have posted it on here to see if that was Fake News. Have you got any information as to whether the claims in my post are wrong?

Reply to  Galileo9
July 28, 2022 6:11 am

Griff don’t do facts, dude!
He is a (paid?) misinformant that tries to pollute every thread that looks like it may embarrass his paymasters.
Sad thing is; he is very good at it, see how many of us wasted our time on him, instead of talking about grown-up stuff, like, was that cobalt excavated open-pit, or was it dug up by little Congolese boys using plastic hosepipes as breathing apparatus down a fifty foot well dug in soft sand, filled with excrementatious water, using a soup ladle to scratch for rocks in total darkness.
Just asking, because those kids bring up little spoil, compared to a 200-ton drag line. Some even survive long enough to retire at twenty… with permanent, irreversible damage from The Bends!

Galileo9
Reply to  cilo
July 28, 2022 6:27 am

So cilo, you don’t think Griff will post a direct answer which destroys my post and he will back it up with real data or peer reviewed papers published in a respected Journal? Remember Griff the Truth doesn’t mind being questioned, a lie hates being challenged. Come on Griff prove us all wrong, after all we are all here looking for answers.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Galileo9
July 28, 2022 6:38 am

Don’t hold your breath. Griff has a track report of one way posts second to none

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  cilo
July 28, 2022 8:59 am

Those are some pretty wild claims you make. This is the first I have heard of what you claim. Do you have some reliable source(s) for the information?

One can’t draw air several feet underwater through a tube. Breathing compressed air is pretty much impossible without a regulator. How do the Congolese afford a compressor and the fuel to run it? The claimed well is probably only partially full. Breathing even compressed air at less than 30′ is not all that risky. The Bends are most commonly the result of diving to great depths and then coming up too quickly. If the kids were to spend much time submerged, hypothermia would be a greater risk. I find your claims difficult to believe.

alastair gray
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 28, 2022 9:25 am

You can get the bends from as little as 10 feet although this would need a lot of exposure at that depth

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  alastair gray
July 28, 2022 11:28 am

That is why I mentioned hypothermia. Without dry-suits or at least wet-suits, a child with small body mass wouldn’t be able to spend a lot of time immersed. If they are looking for small pieces of ore that are worth pennies, they couldn’t afford diving suits, let alone the gasoline for a compressor. I think that this is the equivalent of an Urban Legend being propagated by those who are obsessed with the ‘immorality’ of child labor.

A typical dive table doesn’t show decompression time for less then 40′. The stop at 15′ for 2.5 hours submersion at 40′ is only 5 minutes.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 6:50 am

Don’t be stupid griff. The IEA acknowledge that a typical EV requires SIX TIMES as many minerals to produce than an ICEV and that making all vehicles in the world electric will require a MASSIVE INCREASE IN MINING. For there to be 200-250m EVs in Europe by 2030 alone will require 30-50 new lithium mines, 41-60 new nickel mines and 11-17 new cobalt mines (IEA Global EV Outlook 2022 ‘Securing supplies for an electric future’)

And if you’re going to count the fuel required for an ICEV through its life you have to count the generators, transmission lines etc for an EV during its life

Vlad the Impaler
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 12:14 pm

You ask, ” Perhaps you’d like to give us how much is excavated for a petrol or diesel vehicle?”

In trying to answer your question, I will have to make an assumption that you are referring to the areal footprint of a (land-based) conventional oil well. Whether it is a ‘single-hole’ or ‘multiple-well’ site makes little-to-no-difference.

I’ve been to two types of abandoned oil wells: one type, from a long time ago, before there were mandatory reclamation laws, and the second, after mandatory reclamation was in place. In either case, a 2.5 metre tall 20 cm (diameter) steel ‘dry hole’ marker is over the surface location of the well. The marker has the geographic location, the operator name, the date the well was plugged and abandoned, and the total depth reached.

Approximately one, to as much as one-and-one-half acre, is disturbed for things like the mud pits, drilling water source (most of the time, the water must be brought in, especially where I live). In the case of the unreclaimed drill site, I noted that wildlife had made use of the ‘disturbance’ to the surface, especially using it for shelter, and when the rainy season is in full swing, the plant life that the animals depend upon is more abundant around the disturbed portion of the site; not sure why, but it is more abundant.

The reclaimed site, one cannot tell there was ever a rig there, except for the presence of the dry hole marker.

As to the second part of your question, the one where you ask about the amount of fossil fuel used to power the ICE throughout it’s life, I would point out to you that the fossil fuel is usually doing some kind of useful work, for example, bringing you your food to the market, where you can purchase it. Aside from that, the carbon dioxide produced by the combustion process itself is causing the Earth to “green up”, as has been documented any number of times at Anthony’s and Jo’s websites.

Short answer to your feeble attempt to ask a seemingly damning question, there’s no real downside to using fossil fuels, of any flavor. I know you are fully committed to the idea that carbon dioxide is the ‘temperature control knob’ of the Earth’s atmosphere, but you’ll have to trust the geologist here who can tell you with a high degree of certainty (no pun intended) that carbon dioxide is less than a bit player in Earth’s global climate. It’s perfectly fine with me if you do not want to accept the fact that carbon dioxide does not play a role in determining Earth climate; you are free, as far as I’m concerned, to live your life as you see fit.

At the same time, I suggest you let me live my life as I see fit. And, please, do not use the canard that “my” lifestyle will impact “yours”. It’s really very simple griffy: what you believe is completely false. The geological history of the Earth says you are completely wrong, therefore, I am NOT impacting your life, except perhaps to create more of the ‘greening’ of the world, that even NASA has acknowledged.

Do have a carbon (dioxide) full day,

Vlad

DMacKenzie
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2022 4:52 pm

An oil well casing is usually 16 inches in diameter while a wind farm producing 10% as much energy 1/4 of the time will take up thousands of acres. So the “excavation” is incomparable in area.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  griff
July 29, 2022 9:11 am

Are you saying you know how much free plant fertilizer will be created and donated to the public domain per vehicle over its lifespan? Please tell us the happy news!

Johnny
Reply to  Galileo9
July 28, 2022 6:04 pm

I for one, like the EV idea but NOT the battery powered model. The slot car model, that would be far superior (not having crunched any numbers). Batteries are clearly suboptimal

Richard Page
Reply to  Johnny
July 28, 2022 10:21 pm

Every currently available technology, apart from ICE, is suboptimal. The entire ‘Green Energy Revolution’ is completely dependant on technologies that haven’t been invented yet. It would be like hurling yourself out of an aircraft with a big ball of string and a blanket with the idea of developing a parachute before you hit the ground – utter insanity.

Galileo9
Reply to  Johnny
July 29, 2022 2:18 am

“I for one, like the EV idea but NOT the battery powered model. The slot car model”. Like the electric buses back in the 1940’s maybe? It’s an idea but I don’t think I would go for it, governments are already installing speed limiter technology which is linked to satnav location telemetry. If my car was hooked up to an electric overhead cable then I can see some A.I in an underground bunker watching my driving and deciding to slow me down to a “safe” speed that’s good for the environment.

Peta of Newark
July 28, 2022 2:18 am

OMG
BBC Headline:”Senator Joe Manchin suddenly backs Biden climate and tax bill
here

joe x
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 28, 2022 4:13 am

come on, we all knew he would cave eventually. its always party first with democrats and aided buy rinos. it was just a matter of time.

H.R.
Reply to  joe x
July 28, 2022 6:01 am

… and the right payoff for Manchin. These deals take time.

roaddog
Reply to  H.R.
July 28, 2022 9:47 pm

I hope his constituents call him home. He just humped them hard.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 28, 2022 2:55 pm

It isn’t anywhere near Biden’s bill.

Joe Gordon
July 28, 2022 2:20 am

While I generally prefer politicians who can work across the aisle, I’m quite disappointed in Manchin and Synema. Both seem to enjoy the spotlight these days, especially Manchin. I wonder if the voters of West Virginia will remember this in 2024 as our country is reeling from double-digit inflation and small businesses keep closing because of high costs and increased taxes.

I blame Trump for this (and will accept the resulting neg votes – I know he’s popular here). If he hadn’t picked the absolute worst way to complain about election shenanigans (far too late – the time was when swing states were switching to all-absentee/no-verification voting), Georgia’s two senators would be Republicans today and our country would be in slightly less bad shape.

So now our country is a few steps closer to complete reliance on China and Russia. I wonder if it’s time to invest in a Berlitz class on Mandarin.

Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
Reply to  Joe Gordon
July 28, 2022 3:20 am

Is there corruption in the US voting system, & if so why is it allowed to continue.

Here in Australia we still use old fashioned pencil & paper.

Why, because it works, & no one ever says that it’s corrupte.

Michael VK5ELL

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
July 28, 2022 5:21 am

Trump says the U.S. should only use paper ballots and should finish the vote count on election day, not six weeks later.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 10:38 pm

But surely voting should be as easy as possible. That way you get the most people voting which should always be the aim of a democratic vote.

Mr.
Reply to  Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
July 28, 2022 7:12 am

That’s because all citizens over 18 have to be registered to vote, then have to actually get their name ticked off as having participated in voting, then their vote is checked for validity and counted in front of scrutineers, then the whole voting roll is reconciled.

Oh, and did I mention that official death registrations and electoral rolls are synchronized?

HotScot
Reply to  Joe Gordon
July 28, 2022 3:35 am

So what you’re saying is that because Trump complained about irregular voting practices, now demonstrated by Dinesh DeSouza to be entirely justified; inflation, and Ukraine, amongst many other things are his fault?

Vote rigging isn’t a thing one can complain about before the event, because you have no evidence, and one can only really trust suitable controls are in place until it becomes evident they are not.

It simply wasn’t physically possible to understand what was going on until reports of malfeasance were reported, which took weeks or months to understand, all long after the election result had been announced. In fact, it’s remarkable that DeSouza managed to present evidence within such a short space of time.

As I recall, there were objections to absentee/no-verification voting. The problem as I understood it, is that it’s long been entrenched in the system and was just accepted by many (GOP as well) as an inevitable cost of Democracy.

Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:35 am

…because you have no evidence,…

Dude, I was literally on the other side of the world, and I could see the mess happening in real time! I even predicted the final percentages with perfect accuracy, just by assuming that 30% of Trump’s votes were converted to Biden, as was reported within the first two hours. Reported. Publicly. On teevee, internet and chatbot. It was no secret, not for one second. Golly, mate, people were raiding servers in Italy on your behalf, as we were told before the vote even closed. Servers connected to your voting machines!
How could you Americans sit at home watching television while thugs were busy openly flouting your rights and dignity at a voting station right near you? That is the real question! You-all coulda walked down the street, and slapped some commies around the ear while the cops are on their way to come guard those voting stations.
Oh, and just by the way, the final proof that Trump was either ignorant or in cahoots? The voting machine companies have been fighting lawsuits and refusing to let anyone, including the government, look inside their machines, for years now. If Trump was unaware of that, he’s either stupid or extremely poorly informed/advised.
Any future election using machines will be as rigged, because that is what the machines are for.

Mr.
Reply to  cilo
July 28, 2022 7:19 am

Yeah even though the voting machines are made by a Canadian company, Canada has peered across the border and seen what they do in the USA and also places like Venezuela, and said – nah, we’ll stick with paper voting thanks.

HotScot
Reply to  cilo
July 28, 2022 8:58 am

I’m a Brit, which should demonstrate to you why one should never assume anything or jump to unfounded conclusions.

Everything that happened in that election was, at the time, unconfirmed. Evidence suitable to support a claim of fraud, especially one that complex, takes time to collate so there is a watertight case. One slip up and the whole thing gets thrown out of court no matter how good the rest of the evidence is.

The fiasco’s at the voting station with people not being allowed in etc. were done under the cover of Covid. That’s why the Democrat vote counters were refusing entry to Republican monitors and keeping them behind barriers etc.

Even if the servers were seized they must be examined under controlled conditions by qualified people and there would be millions of records to sift through to match against voters rolls, death certificates, addresses etc. etc.

Perhaps over simplistic but there is an audit of 300m potential voters to be conducted.

It doesn’t help that the judicial system seems to operate beyond our comprehension. We don’t have a politically appointed legal system in the UK. And what we are told about the approaches made by Republicans to the courts is clouded by their natural bias.

We can believe absolutely nothing we are told be either side. And you’re not naïve enough to imagine Republicans haven’t fiddled with election results in the past, are you?

Reply to  cilo
July 28, 2022 9:57 am

It is unlikely the voting machines were rigged
If they were, the actual fraud witnessed on video
would not have been needed.
For example,
Trump was winning Michigan and four other key states at midnight on election day. After midnight, enough pro-Biden votes miraculously showed up to put Biden ahead.
The after-midnight votes won the election for Biden in Michigan. Georgia, Wisconsin and Arizona. There would be no need for the late night “ballot dumps” if the ballot tabulating machines were “fixed”. The hand recounts were to the machine counts, as usual. Hand recounts can’t determine if a ballot is lawful or fraudulent.

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Reacher51
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 28, 2022 3:40 pm

There was no fraud whatsoever. Ballots in Michigan are sent from all over the state to a centralized location for counting. It was entirely normal and expected that large numbers of votes would arrive late.

Moreover, both the Justice Department and the FBI investigated allegations of “suitcases full of ballots” showing up in Michigan and declared the issue to be bogus. You can watch people on video testifying specifically about this issue under oath to Congress if you are genuinely interested.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 4:21 pm

It was entirely normal and expected that large numbers of votes would arrive late.

Was it also entirely predictable that late arrival ballots were all for Biden?

The justice department have refused to investigate any claims of vote rigging.

You can also watch people testifying that there was ballot rigging.

So far, no official investigation. We’re not talking Democrat or Republican favouritism here. Much of America smalls a rat, there is evidence, and its voting integrity at stake here, not a political ideology.

Deter people from voting because they even imagine it’s not worthwhile, and the government you get will not be the government you want.

Every poll out there is screaming no one trusts the 2020 election result. This will be the hill Biden dies on. Not inflation, not Hunters laptop, not his condition. Electoral integrity is it.

The clumsy lies are just coming thick and fast now. Recession doesn’t mean what it means in every other civilised western nation?

Seriously? I would ask if Democrats were dumb, unfortunately it’s just been confirmed in the biggest possible way.

Why should anyone trust anything these bozo’s say when they try to spin that fundamental fact?

“The 2020 election was the most secure in history”

“Two consecutive quarters of negative growth does not represent a recession”.

“The cheques in the post”.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 4:40 pm

Yes, it was entirely predictable that when heavily Democratic leaning district ballots came in that they would trend democratic. It was also predictable that most mail in ballots would trend democrat, since a far greater number of democrats voted by mail rather than in person on Election Day. This was all entirely predictable. In fact, if you scroll to the link I posted several comments down, you can hear Bannon himself discussing exactly that on Oct. 31, before the election.

As for the DOJ not investigating, that is a lie. If you were simply to watch the congressional hearings, you could hear both Barr and his investigators testifying to that fact, including describing the Michigan votes rather specifically. The FBI chased down a lot of these stories as well, like supposed trucks full of blank ballots, invariably to discover that they were fictitious. This is all out on the public record, and the fact that you choose to imagine an alternate reality that feels better to you doesn’t transform fiction into fact.

If you are unaware of these actual facts, then you should probably supplement your news with other sources. The claims you are making are demonstrably false.

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Reacher51
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:11 pm

Let me add here that in addition to the FBI and DOJ, relevant state election boards and state bureaus of investigation also investigated these crimes, as is their job.

Furthermore, Trump launched 61 lawsuits, more than half of which made it into court, and none of which presented any real evidence of voter fraud. It might occur to you that if reliable witness testimony and other evidence actually existed, Then Trump’s lawyers would have actually presented it.
The idea that every investigative agency and Justice department, many headed by Trump appointees, as well as all of trump’s lawyers and RNC lawyers, would somehow fail to see the evidence that you somehow see from your dim basement in England, is spectacularly preposterous. It’s up there with your apparent belief that the Italians were using satellites to change American voting machine results.

You appear to be in a fever dream from which you should try to wake up.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:47 pm

What stage of the court process did those 30 Trump lawsuits get to? Full court proceedings?

I must admit I didn’t hear of any, and it’s likely the MSM would make a meal of every one of them had they done so. Remarkably quiet though don’t you think?

Nor was my post about the election, Had you removed your TDS spectacles (once again) you might have realised it was about election integrity and the damage accusations of vote rigging does.

My point was that despite the clearly shaky start Biden had in the face of accusations of vote rigging, he didn’t watch his step and make sure he was squeaky clean and honest with the electorate, he just continues to tell the most enormous lies.

That’s why the election result will be the hill he dies on, not because the election was, or wasn’t stolen, it’s because the man is politically inept and can’t read the signals coming from the public.

Low polling numbers? Never mind, a few more lies will convince them.

Biden could have the greatest policies on earth but, frankly, no one will ever know because he’s an overtly clumsy liar.

What a stupid effing thing to lie about, two consecutive quarters of negative growth. He’s insulting even his own voters. What’s the point? Just say “we’re in a recession and we’ll fight to improve for next quarter”. Job done, move on. Instead he’s getting murdered, even by the left.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:33 pm

This was all entirely predictable. In fact, if you scroll to the link I posted several comments down, you can hear Bannon himself discussing exactly that on Oct. 31, before the election.

I’ll pass on watching a compilation video with likely missing context thanks.

As for the DOJ not investigating, that is a lie.

And yet with witness testimony of serious irregularities, not one single case was heard in court.

I’m not a lawyer, but I understand the judicial process (not so much in America) and even I could have put together a case that should have been heard. There were professional lawyers on this and not a single case was heard. That sets my alarm bells ringing.

What you entirely ignore in all this is the political nature of the US judicial system. We don’t have politically appointed, and therefore necessarily biased, justice members. Our legal system is entirely removed for the political process for very good reason.

A Congressional Hearing is not a court of Law. As it’s name suggest’s, it’s a Hearing. It doesn’t conform to the standards of a court of law.

The FBI sat on Hunter Biden’s laptop, colluding in the myth that it was Russian disinformation. Yet you claim they chased down the stories of ballot harvesting?

Give me peace…….

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:49 pm

Good God. Why don’t you stop repeating nonsense and try to learn something?

Plenty of Trump’s cases were heard in court. They were then quickly laughed out of court. In most cases, Trump’s lawyers didn’t even allege fraud, since they had no evidence of fraud to present. In a few cases they did suggest fraud and were screamed at by the judge for failing to provide any evidence to support their claim.

You may note that a large number of those judges were Trump appointees. I’m not sure how that fits with your theory that politically appointed judges don’t do their jobs and instead simply try to rule for their preferred side. Perhaps you can explain. Or better yet, perhaps you can try not to be so ignorant.

Here is a report on the election written by lifelong Republicans who are either senior Republicans election lawyers or respected conservative judges. They independently reviewed every fraud allegation and every court case and concluded, in essence, that there is no evidence whatsoever of significant fraud. You can read about every single case here, and perhaps even learn something:

https://lostnotstolen.org//wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Lost-Not-Stolen-The-Conservative-Case-that-Trump-Lost-and-Biden-Won-the-2020-Presidential-Election-July-2022.pdf

As for the rest, it doesn’t matter if Biden is an idiot, trustworthy, or anything else. That is all irrelevant to the question of election fraud and Trump’s various crimes.

Further, it doesn’t matter that the congressional hearings are not a trial. The witnesses, who were all republicans and trump loyalists, incidentally, gave sworn testimony under oath, and that testimony is overwhelmingly damning. They will presumably all have a chance to testify again in court when Trump and his cronies are inevitably indicted for numerous crimes.

Additionally, the committee tried to interview a number of witnesses who might have provided context, as you put it, for Trump’s actions. Unfortunately, all of those people either ran from the subpoena, like Bannon, or pleaded the Fifth when interviewed. So there you have what is likely Trump’s best defense.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:18 am

In most cases, Trump’s lawyers didn’t even allege fraud, since they had no evidence of fraud to present.

Let me get this right. They went to court to prove fraud, but didn’t mention fraud?

LOL. Got to be up there with one of the more stupid statements posted on this site.

I presume you were in court for all these hearings? Or did you wade through the transcripts? 🤣

No, neither of these things, you’re just making most of this up as you go along.

In a few cases they did suggest fraud and were screamed at by the judge for failing to provide any evidence to support their claim.

LOL. I have never in my life known a judge to scream at anyone and I have spent a considerable portion of my life in courts. Usual exaggeration and dramatisation from the left.

As you are so aware of the circumstances, just how many judges, precisely, were Trump appointees? Give me a number and we can begin to properly understand what was going on.

With Biden’s threats to pack the SCOTUS it’s clear that politically appointed judges are a big problem. If the founding fathers dropped only one bollock, that would be it.

Your link to an opinion piece is pointless. It doesn’t mean anything legally.

Clearly you still don’t get what I’m saying. It doesn’t matter whether the election was stolen or not, Biden has dug his own grave over it because of his political ineptitude.

Further, it doesn’t matter that the congressional hearings are not a trial.

Yes it does. What a ridiculous statement.

They will presumably all have a chance to testify again in court when Trump and his cronies are inevitably indicted for numerous crimes.

What? Like the Jan 6th “INSURRECTION!!!!!”?

That’ll be interesting, as two attempts at impeaching the man failed miserably. Talk about being left with egg on your face, it was humiliating for the Democrats.

If they prosecute Trump over it you can be absolutely certain they are only running interference to distract from Hunter’s laptop investigation.

The behaviour of the Democrats has been pathetic, ineffective, and potentially catastrophic for the party. Truly humiliating as they have failed at everything so far. Apart from Trump’s impeachments, there’s Afghanistan, the economy (that’s the world economy as his war on fossil fuels has triggered a global recession), now shovelling as much money into Ukraine as he abandoned in equipment in Afghanistan. Two prominent Democrats have now switched to the Republican party. Pelosi’s DUI husband, not to mention his suspicious investments even the Democrats are now calling to be stopped. Biden and Harris are walking, talking disasters and, no, I don’t believe Biden has Dementia, he’s always been a clown. Even Obama stated he was capable of f*cking anything up. His public appearances with Obama have been truly embarrassing – wandering around aimlessly like a lost puppy behind him as Obama takes all the plaudits at public events. Biden is just a feeble old man with naturally declining abilities. His approval rating is truly appalling, the worst in living memory in most cases.

As for their obsession with identity politics. Can anyone honestly say that Rachel Levine was really the best person for the job? No one in their right mind believes that. But to double down on a truly unpopular political statement, he doubles down and appoints Sam Brinton, and you wonder why, when Biden went to the Saudi’s begging for oil, they laughed at him.

Did Biden win by fraud? If anyone’s naïve enough to believe Republicans were squeaky clean, I have a bridge to sell you.

The fact is, Biden has done the Republicans a huge favour. I don’t imagine November will be the disaster some are predicting for the Democrats, but I’m pretty certain 2024 will see the party sidelined for a generation.

Unfortunately, all of those people either ran from the subpoena, like Bannon, or pleaded the Fifth when interviewed. 

You present that like there is something wrong with that fundamental legal concept, the right to say nothing.

Now what the public see’s is, if they can’t get Trump they’ll persecute his prominent supporters they possibly can. They are so desperate they’ll go after Trump’s butcher, baker, and candlestick maker next.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 8:42 am

As I recall previously reading, you spent most of your working life as a plumber, or something similar, is that right? So when you say that you have spent a considerable portion of your life in courts, was that primarily to fix the plumbing? Is the British court system plagued by old piping, or are you trying to say that you were frequently arrested?

As for the question of why Trump’s lawyers went to court, they presumably did so in order to (a) assuage Trump’s rather fragile ego, and (b) get paid. One would think that they would have alleged fraud while they were there, since Trump was busy blabbing about it every chance he got, but in most cases they did not. In fact, when questioned, they specifically mentioned in many cases that they were not alleging fraud at all. There are innumerable reports on this, which you could presumably find and read yourself if you are indeed capable of doing such a thing, but here is but one from that well known bastion of Marxism, the Wall Street Journal:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

As for the judge screaming, this is obviously figurative, much like the idea that Trump’s cases were laughed out of court. The judges did not necessarily literally laugh at Trump’s lawyers while court was in session. They probably did afterwards, however.

Here, for example, is a judge dismissing with prejudice a case led by Giuliani in which he sought to annul the votes of ~7 million voters in Pennsylvania:

“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote. “That has not happened.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/federal-judge-rejects-trump-campaigns-pa-lawsuit-prejudice/story?id=74340354

Regarding people taking the Fifth, my thoughts on this actually align perfectly with those of Donald Trump, who has opined on the same thing on several occasions.

As Trump succinctly put it, “The mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Indeed.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:11 pm

More regurgitation of the standard fake news lies.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:08 pm

You’re just another woke liar repeating standard lies spoon fed to you, the truth is not in you.

Reacher51
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 29, 2022 3:33 pm

What part do you believe is a lie? The court case mentioned above, covered by numerous journalists, and the transcript to which is presumably publicly available for verification?

Or do you think I employed my boss level CGI and mimicry skills to create a lifelike Trump video that has been publicly available for 6 years and have it posted on Youtube?

The fact that you don’t like something doesn’t magically make it a lie. Truth hurts.

niceguy
Reply to  Reacher51
August 7, 2022 9:58 pm

In most cases, Trump’s lawyers didn’t even allege fraud, since “
since the bar mafia would have stolen their jobs if they did.

niceguy
Reply to  HotScot
August 7, 2022 9:46 pm

2021 was open season for attackers around the world. Ransomware gangs were shockingly aggressive, targeting health care facilities, schools, and critical infrastructure at an alarming rate. And hackers continued to launch supply chain attacks with extensive fallout.

https://www.wired.com/story/worst-hacks-2021/

The inept “Trump PINO” admin (President In Name Only) aka Big Resistance (aka Impeached for usurping … his own power) allowed these hacking disasters. Still these clowns are sure voting was safe.

Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 7:14 pm

You can also watch people on video running all of the observers out of the building and then pulling ballots out from under the tables and running them through the machines. Frequently the SAME ballot several times.

You can also watch the same person dumping ballots into a collection box several times on election night. A couple of them being semi-smart and stripping off their fingerprint defeating gloves afterwards.

You can also watch people on video testifying under oath to Congress about all sorts of issues – and lying their asses off.

Reacher51
Reply to  writing observer
July 30, 2022 6:21 am

The incident you are trying to describe involved a brief miscommunication in which observers were mistakenly told they could go home for the night before being informed a few minutes later to come back because they were actually going to count through the night.

You saw a small clip of the incident, which was completely misdescribed and stripped of context by excited right wing media.

The incident was investigated by Trump appointed attorneys from the justice department, as well as by the fbi, as well as by state election officials. Unlike you, these people watched the whole tape and talked to the people involved. They found no wrongdoing.

Additionally, the ballots were not counted twice, which would anyway be impossible because after being run through the machine each ballot was manually checked off against the voter roll.

This explains why this incident went nowhere, why it didn’t appear in any of Trump’s 61 lawsuits, why there are no Trump voting whistleblowers claiming investigators cheated, why the RNC dropped the matter, etc.

It was a complete non-issue that was breathlessly mischaracterized. That is all.

niceguy
Reply to  Reacher51
August 7, 2022 9:42 pm

Just like Gore did not almost steal Bush victory in Florida with endless and always changing recounts, of which I found zero trace on the Web – only in my own memory.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:43 am

I don’t know about the USA but the opportunities for vote rigging with UK postal votes are various and pointed out by many people at every election/

HotScot
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 28, 2022 9:00 am

Without a doubt.

Tower Hamlets was won this year by a candidate with almost zero online presence.

Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 9:50 am

Dinesh Joseph D’Souza did good work exposing alleged mules, and the mules could be punished — although I doubt that they will be.

But the important point is that NOT ONE VOTE CHANGES simply because it was delivered by a mule.

The individual ballot has to be proven to be fraudulent to eliminate the vote. The fact that a mule delivered the vote does not change a single vote.
Dinesh Joseph D’Souza is getting too much credit for his work.

HotScot
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 28, 2022 11:43 am

Dinesh is just a wheel in the cog of evidence. His findings are largely circumstantial so on their own largely stand no chance of being considered for an accusation of fraud to be considered.

Circumstantial evidence is rarely enough to convict someone of anything but there are circumstances where it can make a compelling case for the prosecution.

I don’t know what the results were from the forensic audit done in Maricopa County but that is largely circumstantial evidence as well. As are the servers found in Italy, and the evidence of some of the electronic voting systems that were examined.

There is hours of video evidence from numerous quarters that also must be sifted through to establish its credibility.

All this information must be collated and, if it’s ever presented in court, must be delivered in chronological order, bit by tiny bit.

For a case to be prosecuted on circumstantial evidence, there must be multiple strands of irrefutable proof to back up each claim, It must be impeccable in its detail.

An election could never be overturned by Dinesh’s movie because it’s approached from a single perspective, that of drop box voter fraud.

A nice example: Hunter Biden filmed himself with a firearm. I believe he lied on an application for a one so shouldn’t have had it, and he boasted about having a firearm.

The only trustworthy bit of evidence in there is that he might have lied on his firearms application. Boasting about having a firearm isn’t a crime. Anyone can claim to have a firearm when they don’t have one. How does anyone know the firearm in the video wasn’t a plastic toy or movie prop? We don’t because he wasn’t caught in possession of a firearm that could be examined to make sure it was a firearm.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 1:31 pm

D’Souza’s claims don’t even rise to the level of circumstantial. He makes claims entirely without evidence. The geolocation data he claims to have is at best accurate to within 100 feet, and the maps of the drop boxes shown in the film don’t seem to match where the boxes actually were. Moreover, one of the maps of drop box locations depicted in the film appears to actually be a map of Moscow, as described here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/even-geolocation-maps-2000-mules-are-misleading/

Moreover, not one single bit of actual evidence is given that anyone was paid to deliver ballots, other than simply claiming that someone supposedly said so, and no evidence is shown of anyone illegally dropping off more than one ballot. Please note that it is entirely legal to drop off ballots for other people who are sick, infirm, stuck in a nursing home, etc.

Furthermore, the idea that people taking pictures of themselves dropping ballots into boxes “proves” ballot harvesting is easily belied by all the moronic selfies people posted on Instagram and Facebook showing themselves voting, which you can see through innumerable hashtags, such as, e.g.:

https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/denvervotes/?hl=en

As for the rest of your nonsense, the completely amateurish “audit” performed by unqualified imbeciles in Maricopa county discovered nothing whatsoever. You may note that this led an exasperated AZ Republican board of supervisors to declare that the “audit” was a bogus grift, saying “We can’t indulge these insane lies any longer,” and then threatening to sue Cyber Ninjas if they made claims of fraud:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/us/arizona-audit-trump.html

The “servers found in Italy,” which refers to a claim that someone at an Italian IT firm used satellites to somehow switch votes from Trump to Biden are made up bullsh*t, which ought to be apparent to anyone who is not completely insane. Nonetheless, the head of the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, Chris Krebs, was tasked by Trump to chase down this and other insane stories (Venezuelan hacking, etc.) and duly investigated.

Krebs looked into every hacking allegation and concluded that none of these things took place and that the election was extremely secure, which he dutifully told Trump. Trump fired him for telling the truth 5 days later.

The “hours of video evidence” you refer to were all combed through already, both by Trump appointed lawyers at the Department of Justice and by the FBI. Neither found any wrongdoing whatsoever. This was all testified to under oath to Congress. You can watch them testify about it on video, if you like.

You sound, frankly, very much like a medieval peasant breathlessly talking about Prester John and his miraculous exploits in the hidden Christian kindom of the Far East. The fact that someone tells you a story is not a reason to believe that it is true. The fact that all of your peasant friends tell you the same story is similarly not a reason to believe that it is true.

If the story is ludicrous on its face (e.g. hacking the US election with Italian satellites), then that ought by itself to be a good point at which to take a deep breath and try turning your brain back on. You may also ask yourself why none of these claims ever went anywhere. The obvious answer is not because of conspiracy. It is rather because they were just bogus nonsense. Claims are supposed to require actual evidence, and all of the evidence for the claims you make prove them to be entirely fake.

The world is already sufficiently full of insane sh*t and made up nonsense. It doesn’t really need any more.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 3:17 pm

The geolocation data he claims to have is at best accurate to within 100 feet

The standard left-wing talking point, totally false news. d’Sousa was the film-maker, but True The Vote did all the analytical work.

Reacher51
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 3:43 pm

No. True the Vote claimed to have done analytical work, but no one has seen it.

D’Souza took what they said at face value, but never checked anything, as he admitted to the Washington Post, including never meeting the alleged whistleblower.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigations requested info from True the Vote that would substantiate their claims and did not get it. So they dropped the case.

These are facts, not talking points.

Reacher51
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 4:17 pm

Let me add that the founder of True the Vote, Gregg Phillips, is a serial liar who similarly claimed to have evidence of voter fraud in 2016 and similarly failed to produce any of it.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:48 pm

And Joe Biden is a paragon of virtue.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:24 pm

Joe Biden’s virtue or lack thereof is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether there was massive voter fraud in 2020, as well as to the question of whether Trump has both lied and broken a number of laws.

Save the Biden questions for a discussion on Biden and try to focus. You can do it if you try.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:42 am

I have never claimed there was massive voter fraud you cloth eared, TDS fool.

You keep rattling on about Trump’s ‘crimes’, of which there is scant evidence. Two impeachments failed, what will they try next?

Every time they try to pin something on Trump it merely adds to his popularity. Face it, they haven’t been able to touch Trump and they never will. It’s all distraction from the desperately bad job the Democrats are doing.

The real problem is, what will fall out Hunter’s laptop? So far it’s not looking good with documentary and witness evidence of Chinese and Ukrainians business deals Biden is implicated in.

Ironically, had Biden not gone after Trump the laptop would probably have been left alone. Even if it delivers nothing, the damage is done with Hunter smeared as a deviant and drug addict and Joe tainted with the suggestion in his daughters diary he’s a pedo. Even Hunter called him Pedo Peter.

Obama was right, Biden screws up everything he touches.

And I’ll repeat. My original post was not about voter fraud, it was about how difficult it is to prove it. But you still can’t intellectually grasp that straightforward concept so obsessed are you with Trump. In fact, it’s really funny. Whilst the world is blowing up around you 18 months into the Biden administration, it’s still all Trump’s fault.

It’s delicious watching the left melt down and screw everything up.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:14 pm

More lies and defamation.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:09 pm

True The Vote have not finished their analysis. Why would they provide the Georgia Bureau of Investigation with evidence they are still compiling?

Why would they spend millions of dollars on aggregating evidence they will never use. More to the point, why would they continue with the project if they were heading up a dead end?

Wild condemnation of a project dealing with vast volumes of data is as deranged as anyone stating there is irrefutable evidence the election was rigged.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:59 pm

To answer the last question first, they, like Trump and co., have obviously figured out that people will believe any claim they make and simply assume that there must be evidence for it. So that explains why they do it. It is unclear, of course, whether they are doing anything at all, since no one, up to and including the guy who based his film on their claims, has bothered to check their evidence.

As for the rest, either they have evidence of something or they don’t. If they don’t have evidence, then they should shut up rather than making unintelligent people even more convinced of something for which there is no evidence.

If, on the other hand, they have evidence of a huge crime that changed the outcome of a US presidential election, then why are they keeping it a secret? Concealing evidence of a felony is itself a crime. Why are they committing this crime in service of assisting election fraud?

The GBI did its job and asked them to provide the evidence of fraud that they claimed to have. They didn’t provide it. Why do you think that is? Think real hard…

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:15 pm

Is there anything you type that is not a lie, rat?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:14 pm

So the GPS in your car isn’t accurate enough to guide you to the correct exit ramp.

Liar.

You are part of the color revolution that overthrew the government of the USA on Nov. 3 2020, a treasonous rat.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:04 pm

You have no concept of what evidence is or isn’t, far less circumstantial evidence.

The military can bomb terrorists in Afghanistan using cellphone geo location but it’s not accurate in the most technically sophisticated country in the world. 🙄

Your car can navigate down to a few feet of it’s destination, but you tell us geo location isn’t better than accurate to 100 yds.

Why does my Sat Nav inform me of my next turn at precisely the appropriate distance from the junction I need to turn into, irrespective of what speed I’m travelling, every, single time?

The Washington Post…. 🤣 🤣

Moreover, not one single bit of actual evidence is given that anyone was paid to deliver ballots, other than simply claiming that someone supposedly said so

That was never the objective of 2000Mules. Their evidence, as I believe I indicated, is a cog in the machine. That’s what I mean by you don’t understand evidence, because you don’t understand what I was illustrating.

Please note that it is entirely legal to drop off ballots for other people who are sick, infirm, stuck in a nursing home, etc.

My understanding is, that’s one ballot for another person, not back packs full of them, then to photograph the drop box thereby proving you were there. What’s that used for, to tell ten of your grandmothers you delivered your ballot?

Why do Amazon couriers photograph their deliveries? To take them home to granny? Or perhaps to furnish Geoff Bezos with evidence they have been to your house and dropped off a parcel, so the courier gets paid………

Did you even watch the movie? Clearly not. You were to terrified to in case it punctured your confirmation bias and shattered your illusions about the Democrat party, so you read the Washington Post to make you feel secure instead.

Being that the “the completely amateurish “audit”” was the only audit conducted, in the face of considerable opposition (why?), and CyberNinja’s were cited on the web page of the Maricopa County Elections Department as having contributed to confirming the security of the results, exposes you as factually incompetent.

https://elections.maricopa.gov/voting/just-the-facts.html

The “hours of video evidence” you refer to were all combed through already, both by Trump appointed lawyers at the Department of Justice and by the FBI.

There is video evidence still emerging. Frankly, again, with your utter ignorance of the evidential process you are factually ignorant of how long these things take.

You sound, frankly, very much like a medieval peasant breathlessly talking about Prester John and his miraculous exploits in the hidden Christian kindom of the Far East.

Had you actually read my post without your Trump Derangement Syndrome spectacles on, you would have recognised I was expressing how extraordinarily difficult it is to convict someone on circumstantial evidence, which is mostly what the evidence supporting a rigged election is.

You may also ask yourself why none of these claims ever went anywhere. 

I have, and I know why they haven’t gone anywhere, in fact I explained that by expressing that an audit of 300m potential voters is an enormous task. It can’t be done in the time lapsed between the 2020 election and now, it’s just not possible.

I don’t believe it will ever be possible because of the destruction of, and time erosion of evidence (I don’t expect you to know what that means but I’m not wasting my time explaining it here).

The obvious answer is not because of conspiracy.

The obvious answer is rarely ever the right answer, speaking from experience.

The world is already sufficiently full of insane sh*t and made up nonsense. It doesn’t really need any more.

You might want to go back and read my post, carefully. It would also help if your read it analytically, which presupposes you are capable of dispensing with TDS, which I somehow doubt.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 7:30 pm

This is too much stupid to deal with, so I will simply attempt to point out the obvious. If TtV actually had the precise data they claim to have and actually could make the connections they say they can make, then we would all know it by now. The GBI and FBI would know it by now. The fact that these organizations are treating these claims as if they are unproven and idiotic really ought to tell you something. Wake up.

As for being “impossible” to analyze all that data, etc., if the motley crew at True the Vote can do it, believe me, the FBI can do it too. The reason they haven’t done it is because it’s all just a bunch of bullish•t claims cranked out for the consumption of gullible wackos who believe anything. It’s not a conspiracy. You are just being fed bullsh*t.

There is no “evidence emerging,” and there was plenty of time to investigate claims. People made claims after the election, the FBI interviewed them and checked their stories, and quickly concluded they were bullsh*t. This is what they do. They can tell the difference between circumstantial evidence vs. completely made up by a wackjob, as well. They are two distinct things.

Many of the claims of fraud, like the late ballots and “suitcases” that were really just ballot boxes have simple and obvious explanations, which you would know if you got your info from normal sources.

I point out finally that Trump was alleging fraud even before the election. On what basis was he making that claim? Was he sneaking out of the White House at night like Batman, stealthily investigating voting machines before returning to his day job of watching tv and feuding with D list celebrities on twitter?

Or was he just making up total bulsh*t, content in the knowledge that the morons of the world would accept it all as fact and never let a lack of evidence change their minds? Which seems more plausible to you?

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HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 3:22 am

This is too much stupid to deal with

That would be your professional assessment would it?

You use that pejorative rather a lot. It would be interesting to understand just what your qualifications are that inform your opinions on Geo location.

So far we have established you know nothing of the evidential process, I’d hate to think you were doing the same with this, believing that calling other people stupid somehow bolsters your argument.

if you got your info from normal sources

Define “normal sources”. The NYT or WaPo perhaps?

That would be the same NYT which knew of Hunter’s laptop but colluded to cover it up, before making the humiliating climb down by having to admit they knew about it over a year later.

That’s your “normal” source of information?

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 8:13 am

My qualifications are that I have an IQ that renders me capable of reading and comprehending documents.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s qualifications, on the other hand, are that they are experts on everything related to professional investigation.

The GBI, in their letter to TTV, which I and anyone with at least an average IQ should be capable of reading, clearly itemizes the data they received from TTV, stating that the hard drive they received contained, “the contents of commercially available cell site location (CSLI)…..”

CSLI is data from cell phone towers. It is not GPS. CSLI is accurate to around 100 feet. To make this fact even more clear, the GBI goes on to give a list of the data they received in a spreadsheet from TTV by heading, the relevant one of which is, “Devices within 100 feet of Org or Dropbox by Day.”

If you had a minimum average IQ, an ability to use Google, and an actual desire to understand the truth, then you could find and read the relevant documents and figure all of this out too.

Why don’t you try working on that?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:16 pm

Who pays you to type this shite, rat?

niceguy
Reply to  Reacher51
August 7, 2022 11:16 pm

Krebs looked into every hacking allegation and concluded that none of these things took place and that the election was extremely secure, which he dutifully told Trump.

And these extremely secure election system were later invalided by a judge because someone pro Trump made a copy of their data?

niceguy
Reply to  HotScot
August 7, 2022 10:07 pm

And Macron handpicked overweight inept personal bodyguard Benalla is photographed with a hand gun during lunch, which he didn’t have the right to carry, but it’s OK it’s toy gun – officially.

Simon
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 10:40 pm

Vote rigging isn’t a thing one can complain about before the event, ” But Trump did. In fact he said before the election if I lose it will have been rigged. Then Bannon confirmed that Trump would play that card if he lost ( in a recording before the election). And guess what …. he did.

HotScot
Reply to  Simon
July 29, 2022 3:31 am

When I said “complain” I meant in the legal sense. I though that was clear.

But you have a rich history of misunderstanding, misquoting and mis contextualising posts to suit your argument. This is no exception.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 2:17 pm

He ain’t too bright.

niceguy
Reply to  HotScot
August 7, 2022 8:49 pm

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-colorado-donald-trump-aspen-2c116873108164ba97800d8469e2ca89

It’s pretty clear that attempting to access (once) the memory of voting machines (aka “ordinateurs de vote”, programmable computing devices) forever corrupted them:

Ms. Peters arranged to copy sensitive election software from county voting machines

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/26/us/politics/tina-peters-election-conspiracy-theories.html

OK software should be free…

niceguy
Reply to  niceguy
August 7, 2022 8:53 pm

Now it gets interesting:

That security breach

Getting a copy of data is a breach of security?

means Mesa County, in the far western part of the state, will not be able to use the equipment for its fall election.

Because other people (than those who made it) could study the software now it’s unsecure?

While the unauthorized access did not create an imminent, direct security risk to Colorado’s elections, Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold said her office’s investigation confirmed that the unauthorized person did release the passwords for the underlying voting machine software online.

So which one is it?

The passwords are critical for security?
Now if passwords are critical and people know passwords, the machine are unsecure.
Period.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027225157/after-data-is-posted-on-conspiracy-website-colo-countys-voting-machines-are-bann

niceguy
Reply to  niceguy
August 7, 2022 8:59 pm

Mesa County must replace election equipment due to security breach, secretary of state says

State claims the county clerk, a Republican, lied and turned off cameras to allow non-employee to access equipment

“We need to make sure that insecure, potentially compromised pieces of voting equipment are not being used in the state of Colorado,” Secretary of State Jena Griswold, a Democrat, said at a news conference.

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/08/12/election-security-colorado-mesa-county-jena-griswold/

We have the Dems shouting the fact that machines are not secure.
It’s explicit and literally literal.

Because Tina Peters touched the machines in the wrong place.
(Only machines not MeToo-ed by Tina Peters are secure.)

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joe Gordon
July 28, 2022 5:00 am

“I blame Trump for this (and will accept the resulting neg votes – I know he’s popular here). If he hadn’t picked the absolute worst way to complain about election shenanigans (far too late – the time was when swing states were switching to all-absentee/no-verification voting), Georgia’s two senators would be Republicans today and our country would be in slightly less bad shape.”

Leftwing talking points is all this is. You’ve been sucked in.

This is a case of repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth for some people.

Who was it that read all the voters minds and then was able to reach this conclusion? I would submit nobody did this, it is pure speculation, and notice how Trump comes out on the short end of the stick with this speculation. It’s intentional lies and propaganda meant to make Trump look bad.

There is lots of speculation about why people vote the way they do. Most of it is just that: Speculation. That’s the case here.

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Joe Gordon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 5:58 am

What changed between November and January in Georgia? The Republicans “won” in November (but didn’t quite get majorities, and Georgia operates differently).

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joe Gordon
July 28, 2022 5:17 am

“While I generally prefer politicians who can work across the aisle, I’m quite disappointed in Manchin and Synema.”

When I hear “working across the aisle”, I think: Republicans caving.

Why should we want to work across the aisle with radical Democrats who want to destroy the nation? Even moderate Democrats, the few that are left, enable the radical Democrats, which means they are enabling the destruction of the nation, just like the RINO Republicans like Liz Cheney are doing. Even moderate Democrats are a danger to our Republic just because they empower the Democrat wannabe dictators.

As for Senator Sinema, we don’t know how she is going to vote on this bill. She just may kill it all by herself.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 9:05 am

All too often a compromise means getting raped once instead of twice.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 11:30 am

Remember the old adage, which I rephrase a little more politely? “Tell a big untruth long enough, and people eventually believe it.” Senator Sinema is widely spoken of as some kind of moderate Democrat, but if she ever loudly disavowed herself away from her own self-described “Prada socialist” label (screencapture here of that news item for easier finding), and from her other extremist advocacy, and her anti-gun stance, I never heard it, and I must be quite inept at finding a prominent explanation for such a major switch.

roaddog
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 9:54 pm

Thankfully we are going to end Cheney’s position in the House in three weeks.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  roaddog
July 29, 2022 3:21 pm

Yes.

Reply to  Joe Gordon
July 28, 2022 5:57 am

I cancelled your one down-vote, but you miss the point entirely; The president (all of them really) have no real power, and no real agenda. Trump could do nothing about being cheated, because not even his own staff bothered to listen to him. He had as much influence on the State as Biden has, and you surely don’t think he is running anything but a fever, yes?
I don’t think Trump evil (I am no fan, I think he’s rather …er… like that) he just had no real grown-up idea of how politics really works. He actually thought he could be Big Boss, but in the end, they are all paid actors, every one of them. There is no way the people who own Baal Gates (and Musk and Tucker and Pelosi and and and) would allow a real leader near their plaything, the Federal Reserve System.
Even on that, Trump was naive enough to think he can “audit” the Fed. Slaves do not audit their masters… unless they feel like shooting themselves in the back of the head a few times…
Just remember, the Federal Reserve is so mighty, people think the FBI and CIA are governmental institutions, while they are actually just divisions of the privately owned Fed.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Joe Gordon
July 28, 2022 6:36 am

Trump predicted ahead of the election that it would be stolen.

Your thesis is false.

Reacher51
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 12:36 pm

Trump didn’t predict squat. He simply followed the playbook described clearly by Bannon of waiting to see if it looked like Biden would win, and if so then just declaring fraud and causing chaos. Bannon and Trump apparently assumed that all they would need to do is to declare fraud and the nation’s imbeciles would immediately lap it up, no questions asked. And their assumption was obviously right.

You can hear Bannon gleefully describing this plot prior to the election here, among a million other places:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11010115/amp/Steve-Bannon-said-Trump-claim-victory-election-night-lost-Report.html

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 12:56 pm

He clearly stated in October 2020 what was going to happen with mass mail-in ballots.

Reacher51
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 1:52 pm

He clearly stated the same thing before the election of 2016. Then he won, so he shut up about it. Trump is a child who needs to make up stories in advance when he thinks he is going to lose.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-s-rigged-election-claims-raise-historical-alarms-n667831

However, if you listen to the audio of Bannon, which you can find in the link above, you will hear him explaining in perfect detail exactly what was about to transpire on election day. All of this ridiculous “stolen election” nonsense was schemed up in advance. It is perfectly obvious from this audio of Bannon, not to mention the hundreds of hours of additional evidence that have been presented so far.

Reacher51
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 2:56 pm

LOL. Let me guess- you down voted my comment and didn’t click on the link and listen to Bannon describing the whole con you’ve thoroughly bought into. Let me give you a few excerpts so you can down vote again and then try to rationalize away the inexcusable.

Steve Bannon on October 31, 2020:

And what Trump’s gonna do is just declare victory. Right? He’s gonna declare victory. But that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner.

The Democrats- more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in the mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage, and Trump’s gonna take advantage of it. That’s our strategy. He’s gonna declare himself the winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm…

…Also, if Trump is LOSING by 10 or 11 o’clock at night, it’s gonna be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. ‘I’m directing the Attorney General to shut down all ballot places in all 50 states.’ It’s going to be- no, he’s not going out easy. If Trump- if Biden is winning, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 3:20 pm

Let me guess- you down voted my comment

Nope, wrong again.

and didn’t click on the link

I don’t look at the MarxStreamMedia as a matter of policy.

Reacher51
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 3:47 pm

The recording is of Steve Bannon, not the “MarxStreamMedia”.

The idea that closing your eyes makes something actually disappear is one that most people get over by the time they’re five.

Bannon said what he said. This remains true even if you put your fingers on your ears and yell “nanananananana.”

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:12 pm

You didn’t watch 2000Mules.

I would repeat your “nanananananana.” but it’s childish.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:20 pm

Tell you what. Point me to one substantive claim I made about 2000 Mules that you believe is provably wrong.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 3:32 am

All of it!

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 11:09 pm

I don’t look at the MarxStreamMedia as a matter of policy.”
That’s the spirit. Keep yourself uninformed then you can be one of the gullible who follow the fraud Trump is without questioning. If you bothered to read Bannon’s words you would see there is no doubt Trumps plan was to call fraud if he lost. And he did and mugs like you who are gullible beyond belief, lap it up. As I have said before, Trump is “credible to the gullible.”

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 29, 2022 2:18 pm

Yes, the name ‘Bannon’ triggers your TDS also.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 5:17 pm

I didn’t watch your Bannon video. It’s a compilation by Mother Jones.

I’m happy to watch things in full, and in context, but unlike you I’m not interested in edited, sound bite hit pieces, from either side.

It really is pathetic posting that whilst claiming it’s representative of anything.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:17 pm

I would love to hear the context that you believe makes what he’s saying sound good. Please make one up for me. I’m fascinated to know how that conversation can be spun. I mean, it’s not like you’re just looking for an excuse not to hear information that contradicts your tribal dogma, right?

Alternatively, I guess I’ll just have to wait for Bannon’s inevitable trial for seditious conspiracy, in which these recordings will likely be played.

I expect that Bannon’s lawyer will explain the “context,” and I also expect that after the courtroom stops laughing Bannon will be sent straight to prison.

Simon
Reply to  Reacher51
July 28, 2022 11:11 pm

I expect that Bannon’s lawyer will explain the “context,” and I also expect that after the courtroom stops laughing Bannon will be sent straight to prison.”
Please if there is a God, can you make it happen? And can he have a cell mate called Donald?

HotScot
Reply to  Simon
July 29, 2022 4:01 am

Your gullible left wing compatriots tried to jail Trump twice and failed. They can’t get him so are reduced to going after the minnows.

You should be hanging your head in shame rather than wishing ill on others.

Unfortunately that’s a feature of the left, tear everything down, and it continues apace. You have deliberately and maliciously carved America up along race, ethnic and gender lines.

Biden has installed at least two senior Trans members of the government for no reason other than to signal the Democrat’s inclusive virtue. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is laughing at America. Biden has amply displayed to the world’s Christian and Muslim population that the Democrat party holds their religious views in contempt. No one will take Biden seriously until that issue alone is addressed.

Simon
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 1:56 pm

You should be hanging your head in shame rather than wishing ill on others.”
I’ve read some of your vile comments(including your religious nut bar stuff above). It’s not my head that needs to be hung in shame. Trump is a two bit crim. He deserves all of what is coming to him.

HotScot
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 3:48 am

that contradicts your tribal dogma

What tribal dogma?

I was expressing how difficult it is to prove vote rigging.

Your TDS misinterpreted that as a defence of Trump, bizarrely.

Other than Trump conforming to what I have maintained for decades, that countries should be run by experienced businessmen rather than career politicians, I have no allegiance to him. I’m not American therefore have the advantage of dispassionate observation.

On that objective basis alone, Trump did a far better job in his first 18 months than Biden has in his first 18 months.

If nothing else, Trump didn’t drag America into a proxy war with Russia.

Reacher51
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 7:09 am

It is especially hard to prove when it doesn’t exist.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:20 pm

You and TDS-boi are both vile stoopids.

Simon
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 1:57 pm

If nothing else, Trump didn’t drag America into a proxy war with Russia.” Why would he, he’s best fwends with Vlad.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
July 29, 2022 3:27 pm

What is it about the Russia Hoax that you don’t understand, Simon? Hillary and the rest of the criminal Democrats created this Russia collusion on Trump’s part out of whole cloth. It was and is a blantant lie. And here you go repeating it.

Not that I’m surprised.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 29, 2022 7:16 pm

“Russia if you are listening.”
There is no doubt Trump had some connection with Russia. We know he met with an agent in his own building. We know that the Russians without doubt wanted Trump to win. We know Trump humiliated himself and the country when he announced to the world in Finland that he believed Vlad over his own secret service.
Did he collude with them or was it just a case of Russian interference? Who knows. But I know one thing, I am not the one who keeps banging on about it. You will need to speak to “Scurge” about that.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 2:18 pm

You’re an idiot also, rat-face.

Reacher51
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 29, 2022 4:09 pm

Getting a little emotional, are we? It may be embarrassing to be wrong about something, or to be conned, but it happens to everyone at one time or another. Flailing around throwing insults in an attempt to deflect from the obvious isn’t going to make anyone respect you. Just man up. People will respect you more.

Simon
Reply to  Reacher51
July 29, 2022 7:19 pm

It is kind of funny that Carlo thinks his low class childish put downs somehow means he is winning an argument.

July 28, 2022 3:10 am

Whalegate!
My latest on Wind versus Whales:
Threat to endangered whales gets LOUDER

By David Wojick

https://www.cfact.org/2022/07/26/threat-to-endangered-whales-gets-louder/

The beginning: “The Virginia wind-versus-whales story has taken a turn for the worse. Worse for the severely endangered Right Whales that is. My research has found what may be some really bad news.

Meet Tethys. Not the real Tethys, the mythical Greek titaness of the sea, but DOE’s center for reporting research on the environmental impact of energy technology on sea life, including whales. This is the science side of DOE (where I used to work), not the Ocean Energy development side.

Tethys has some profoundly disturbing things to say about offshore wind and really loud underwater noise. Noise that could easily adversely affect the North Atlantic Right Whales.

It is all about pile driving, or in this case tower driving. The hundreds of huge offshore wind towers proposed for Virginia do not have poured concrete foundations like onshore towers do. Instead they are literally driven into the solid seabed by floating pile drivers. The lower part of the tower is designed to be driven.

In fact these driven-in tower bottoms are called “monopiles”. Here is what Tethys says about them:

“The environmental concerns associated with offshore wind farms vary with foundation type. Monopiles, for example, require pile-driving, which produces INCREDIBLY LOUD NOISES that tend to propagate far in the water, even after mitigation strategies such as bubble shields, slow start, and acoustic cladding are employed.” (Emphasis added)

From “Fixed offshore wind” at https://tethys.pnnl.gov/technology/fixed-offshore-wind

Note that not only are the wind tower pile driving noises INCREDIBLY LOUD, the available mitigation technologies do not change that fact.”

Lots more in the article. This serious problem exists for all the huge offshore wind facilities proposed along the Mid-Atlantic Coast.

Wind versus Whales.

Here is the prior article:
https://www.cfact.org/2022/07/22/are-the-feds-hiding-the-virginia-endangered-whales/

The Feds did a big study on whale migration and have buried it.

Old England
Reply to  David Wojick
July 28, 2022 4:23 am

UK studies found that the electromagnetic fields surrounding the underwater cables feeding electricity from turbines at sea cause crabs and lobsters to be attracted to them. The crustaceans then enter a state of ‘suspended animation’ where they stop moving and feeding.

Coincidentally, off the North Coast of England there have been huge quantities of dead and dying crabs washed ashore in the area where feeds from two offshore wind farms and the Scandinavian interconnector (turned live shortly before this began to happen) come ashore.

Reply to  Old England
July 28, 2022 7:02 am

Fascinating! Thanks. VA and MD offshore may be crab country. The Chesapeake Bay certainly is and the huge VA 2,600 to 5,200 MW cabling comes ashore near the mouth. Plus the giant NC project does too, coming ashore in VA not far away.

Old England
Reply to  David Wojick
July 28, 2022 9:03 am

David, I’ve added some links below for more info on the study and the dead crabs – there is an odd addition of large numbers of seals washing up dead onshore in the same area a month or so after the crabs.

Steve Case
Reply to  Old England
July 28, 2022 8:02 am

underwater cables…cause crabs and lobsters to enter a state of ‘suspended animation’ [and drop dead]
_______________________________________

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You made that up didn’t you. You should write for The Guardian.

******************

On Edit, I see some people took the bait.

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Old England
Reply to  Steve Case
July 28, 2022 8:47 am

Oh dear, Steve Case, you couldn’t be more wrong …. maybe next time try checking out something I comment on before ending up with egg on your face (LOL) …..

Have a look below and you will see it is 100% correct :-

As you mention it, here is the Guardian reporting on it:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/11/underwater-cables-renewables-affect-blood-cells-brown-crabs-study

Here is the study report:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324923544_Understanding_the_effects_of_electromagnetic_field_emissions_from_Marine_Renewable_Energy_Devices_MREDs_on_the_commercially_important_edible_crab_Cancer_pagurus_L

Here is Herriott Watt university:
https://www.hw.ac.uk/news/articles/2021/underwater-cables-stop-crabs-in-their-tracks.htm

Old England
Reply to  Old England
July 28, 2022 9:00 am

Btw Steve Case here is a tiny selection of the reporting on the dead crabs – and if you bother to check out the undersea cable maps showing where they come ashore you will see this corresponds to the areas the crabs were washed ashore dead and dying. Interesting coincidence is it not ?

Studies seeking a chemical or viral cause have found nothing – the one aspect the Government seem not to want to test for is electromagnetic fields from the cables in that area.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/20047046.anger-dead-crabs-north-east-north-yorkshire-beaches/

and here’s your favourite the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/apocalyptic-dead-crabs-litter-beaches-north-east-england

and here’s another worrying report of dead seals subsequently being washed up in the same area:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10443201/Dead-seals-wash-beaches-north-east-mysterious-death-thousands-crustaceans.html

Mr.
Reply to  David Wojick
July 28, 2022 7:26 am

Whatever happened to that guiding principle-
“First Do No Harm”?

Johnny
Reply to  David Wojick
July 28, 2022 6:07 pm

F’ those whales! We’re saving the earth here!

fretslider
July 28, 2022 4:01 am

“The Guardian view on Russian gas: a compelling reason to go green

Most dangerous is the way rising fuel bills bolster the school of populist denial that says the transition to green energy is an unaffordable luxury at a time of rising inflation and slower growth.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/27/the-guardian-view-on-russian-gas-a-compelling-reason-to-go-green

There’s a new kind of alarm at The Guardian. If wind and solar was as cheap as they claim the bills would be at least 25% cheaper – without the green levy

Next time
Roger Harrabin’s magic reusable printer paper…

“Scientists have invented a magical gadget that sucks the ink off printer paper so each sheet can be used 10 times over.
They aim to cut the amount of planet-heating carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from the paper and pulp industry by reducing demand for office paper.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62265992

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  fretslider
July 28, 2022 4:55 am

I complained to the BBC about that item by Harrabin, Headlined in a trailer as “Cutting Carbon” which is scientifically illerate.
I also questioned whether it would be cost effective as it was claimed the paper could be reused up to 10 times. Not sure about the number of times the toner could be reused. But the paper cannot be reused if it is no longer on site, been folded, stapled, written on, had tea spilt on it and a multitude of other reasons. Harrabin of course gave the impression it was a panacea.

HotScot
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 28, 2022 5:07 am

Lead developer, Barak Yekutiely from Reep Technologies in Israel, describes it as circular printing.

“If we care about the planet, we must stop cutting down so many trees,” he says.

“So give me lots and lots more money for research, I’m sure i’ll find a solution sometime before I retire”

Mr.
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 7:28 am

The thing with trees is though, we can always grow more.

HotScot
Reply to  Mr.
July 28, 2022 9:02 am

Yep, we just have to wait 20 years between burning them and growing more to burn.

fretslider
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 28, 2022 7:06 am

Complaining to the BBC seems to me to be mostly a waste of time. Even when a complaint is upheld… it’s buried in an obscure part of the BBC web domain

Public BBC responses to complaints
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/recent-complaints

It doesn’t make the News at Ten or Panorama or Radio Woke etc

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HotScot
Reply to  fretslider
July 28, 2022 5:03 am

RE: Ink recycling.

Is Roger now telling us that the paperless office, we have so long pursued as a resource saving technology, has been abandoned?

In other words, 20+ computers, and numerous smartphones down the line since I first bought one in 1989, has been a waste of time and money?

fretslider
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 5:13 am

Computers doubled the work.

Beagle
Reply to  fretslider
July 28, 2022 5:34 am

And the temperature anomalies.

HotScot
Reply to  fretslider
July 28, 2022 5:39 am

To be fair, I had a one hour remote meeting yesterday with a University 150 miles away from me, which saved me 6 hours of travelling.

fretslider
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 7:38 am

Average daily office admin is a different thing. No cameras or avoided travelling are involved.

HotScot
Reply to  fretslider
July 28, 2022 11:58 am

You didn’t mention that in the post I replied to.

You said they doubled the work. I posted an example where they dramatically reduced the time spent on a task.

Ben Vorlich
July 28, 2022 4:06 am

Should we be impressed?
U.K.’s First Pop-Up Solar Charging Station Generated 20,000 Miles Of Electricity In Eight Weeks
“Solar is an abundant source of renewable energy – yield from our first Papilio3 unit at Surrey Research Park has already topped 4.86 MWh, and all 12 charging points have been in regular use,”

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/07/u-k-s-first-pop-up-solar-charging-station-generated-20000-miles-of-electricity-in-eight-weeks/

That’s 360 miles per day or one Tesla. If the 4.86MWh is for the 8 weeks that’s barely 90kWh so it sounds right a day Lot of Panels to achieve that. It does beg the question why 12 charging stations when two would suffice. This was in summer, wait until winter for the acid test.

But it seems to have impressed the headline writer.

HotScot
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 28, 2022 4:46 am

Photovoltaic performance falls as heat increases. Just like anything else there is an optimum operating window for best performance.

I guess the trick is to adjust the planet’s temperature so it’s favourable to solar panels. Which suggests a constant ambient temperature of ~20ºC, for 12 hours a day, with no sun and no airborne contaminants to deposit dirt on the panels. And no clouds.

Oh! and a motorised system to track the Sun so optimum performance is maintained throughout those 12 hours.

Although I’m not sure how to achieve those perfect conditions, and I’m at a loss as to how to adjust the earths orientation to the Sun so the hemispheres get more than 4 or 5 hours of light in their respective winters. But tilt the planet to favour an NH winter and it plunges the SH into a winter with no sun, when it should be summer.

Blimey, this is confusing……….

Wind turbines would be a better solution to my mind, assuming we can persuade the wind to blow at a constant 35mph 24/7/365 across the whole planet. Gotta be easier than adjusting the earths tilt.

Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 7:00 am

Hah hah! I got some science for Scott! If you tilt the earth to get more sunlight in winter, it works for both hemispheres, you “steal” the hours from summer, if you lift the axis to 90 degrees (it’s off by aboutish 23 by degs now), everywhere on earth will have 12 hours sun per day. Except for the poles, where the sun will never set again.
Sorry to make fun of you, but this happens to be the topic and gist of the only “climate change” essay I have ever bothered to write.
https://greenpets.co.za/index.php/en/2-greenpets-natural-happiness/136-climate-change
One of two, really, there’s another where I point out that weather modification technology has become quite “mature”, but makes no part of any climate model I am aware of… Have you any idea why not?

HotScot
Reply to  cilo
July 28, 2022 9:10 am

You’re telling me that if we face the North Pole toward the Sun, and maintain the Earth’s rotation as it is, the South Pole is going to get lot’s of light?

You’re not making fun of me, I can assure you.

Funny thing about that concept of ‘evidence’ I mentioned earlier. Whilst there is much hysteria about weather modification around, I haven’t seen much in the way of hard facts, other than isolated cases, so I’m not convinced about the ‘mature’ nature of chem-trails or anything else of that nature.

but makes no part of any climate model I am aware of

If you’re not aware of it, perhaps it’s not necessary to include it. That would be my assessment.

Does that answer your question?

HotScot
July 28, 2022 4:24 am

How did C3 plant life (~95% of all plant life on the planet) evolve to flourish at 1,000ppm – 1,200ppm?

If planetary temperature is driven by increased atmospheric CO2, and the ‘consensus’ maintains that a doubling of atmospheric CO2 from pre industrial levels (~280ppm) will increase global temperatures by 2ºC, presumably temperatures must have been ~8.6ºC higher than ~1850. (1,200 ÷ 280 = 4.3 x 2ºC)

Surely those temperatures would have made most of the planet inhospitable to C3 plant life, so it would presumably have adapted to flourish at a lower atmospheric level of CO2.

Sorry if it’s a dumb question.

Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 10:09 am

~8.6ºC higher than ~1850. 

Wild guess
No one knows what the temperature would be like at 1000 to 1200ppm

HotScot
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 28, 2022 12:31 pm

I did the arithmetic for you.

Shall I repeat it?

We are led to believe by hysterics, a doubling of pre industrial CO2 (280ppm) would produce a global temperature rise of 2ºC.

Therefore, each increment of 280ppm will produce another 2ºC of warming.

Straightforward enough for you so far?

Therefore 1,200ppm represents 4.3 times 280ppm (1,200 ÷ 280ppm).

We then multiply 4.3 x 2ºC = 8.6ºC.

But that’s wrong!

We were already at 280ppm when the doubling of CO2 claim was calculated from so that should be deducted from the 1,200ppm before beginning the calculation, so:

920ppm ÷ 280ppm = 3.3.

Therefore 3.3 x 2ºC = 6.6ºC.

Clearly you didn’t even sit down with a paper and pencil to test the calculation before calling it a wild guess otherwise you would have realised that it was arithmetically incorrect, but far from a wild guess.

All the numbers I have used are those of climate alarmist’s.

As in your usual blunderbuss, dogmatic, and single viewed manner, you entirely miss the point and immediately seize the wrong end of the stick.

I’m not suggesting any of these theories I propose are correct, I do the arithmetic to illustrate the complete insanity of climate alarmist claims.

As I repeatedly state, 90%+ of the planet do not have a science qualification to their name. You (sceptics) have spent the last 40 years attempting to beat them over the head to understand something they can’t possibly understand because they have no education in it. It has been a spectacular waste of time as America is now spunking $700bn more on climate change. Not to mention the $trillions already wasted.

Biden has done more for the sceptical cause in 18 months than you have managed in 40 years by the simple expedient of reducing the subject to dollars and cents for the man in the street.

Up until Biden bumbled along your science was crushed by propaganda, something everyone can understand.

It should be humiliating to you that it took the idiot POTUS to make your case for you, better than you can.

Tom in Florida
July 28, 2022 4:29 am

I have been thinking about this for a while. I would like opinions about this.
I think that we need to start calling “EVs” what they truly are. Battery powered vehicles.
The difference is pretty simple but affects the perception. A true electric device uses electricity directly to operate. An electric power tool uses a cord plugged into an outlet and can operate an unlimited time as long as there is electricity at the plug, no recharging needed. A battery operated power tool uses a battery that must be recharged in order to provide the power needed to operate the tool. Everyone understands this. The same for vehicles. A true electric vehicle would need to be attached directly to an electric outlet and could run an unlimited time. A battery operated vehicle runs off batteries that need to be recharged to work and they have a finite life span. It may seem like nitpicking, but “electric vehicle” sounds easy with no down time and unlimited use while “battery powered vehicle” comes with the obvious need for recharging and replacement. Also, an ICE uses electricity to operate. Without it spark plugs don’t fire, lights, radios and other devices don’t work. That electricity comes from the alternator. The electricity in an EV comes from the batteries. The difference being what provides the electricity.
I think that changing the nomenclature to reflect the true nature of an “EV” will make people realize it is not such an great innovation but just another use for batteries and will remind them of all the inherent need and cost for recharging and replacing.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2022 4:34 am

Shouldn’t they be called Coal Powered vehicles?

Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:32 am

Like that ?
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Greenies dream 😀

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HotScot
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2022 4:54 am

I wonder if the solution to all this is Scalextric?

Install electric ‘tracks’ on every road. The advantages are obvious. No heavy, bulky battery packs onboard cars and no recharging. Perhaps a small battery to allow for overtaking.

I’m not sure how a drop in energy along a stretch of road would be dealt with, but like most politicians and and green activists, I’m not an engineer, so we probably don’t need to worry about it, these things tend to fix themselves.

Would it have a secondary benefit of deterring jaywalkers?

atticman
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 6:06 am

HotScot – look up “dolter system”, particularly in relation to the Torquay tramways. There’s nothing new under the sun…

HotScot
Reply to  atticman
July 28, 2022 12:43 pm

Indeed, there isn’t anything new under the sun.

I was joking about the Scalextric option but had in the back of my mind something similar had been tried somewhere, perhaps Torbay.

It seems it was the weather and salt air that did for the system, causing contacts to protrude and stay live, or for them to jam and not rise at all.

It’s tempting to imagine that with modern materials those problems could be overcome, but the wear in those days of a few trams would pale by comparison to the volume of cars today.

And just how do you maintain 550v consistently along a few hundred miles of motorway?

https://wpehs.org.uk/dolter-system-surface-contact-current-collection

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2022 5:07 am

It would be good if the batteries were given an ID like engines. Petrolheads knew what you were talking about with Pinto, Crossflow, XUD, Twin Spark, XK-6, Small block V8, VTec and Perkins.
Batteryheads need the same.

HotScot
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 28, 2022 5:42 am

Duracell, Energiser, GP, Panasonic, Amazon…….😁

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 9:12 am

Lemon with zinc/copper electrodes.

HotScot
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 28, 2022 12:49 pm

Sorry Clyde, I refuse to drive a car showing “Lemon with zinc/copper electrodes” on it’s tailgate over one with “F*ck off big V8” or “The Energizer!!!”.

I wouldn’t be happy with “Pink Duracell Bunny” either.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  HotScot
July 28, 2022 8:22 pm

You are so picky! We all have to make sacrifices for the good of society. I thought that citrus batteries would go over well with all the ‘Limeys’ in your part of the globe.

HotScot
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 29, 2022 4:02 am

🤣

atticman
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2022 6:03 am

We used to have electric passenger vehicles that took their power from overhead wires (or below ground in parts of London). They were called trams (trolleys in the USA). In GB the rubber-tyred versions were called trolleybuses. All very clean at point of operation, efficient, too.

Why this modern obsession with batteries when you can put wires up for vehicles that run on fixed routes?

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  atticman
July 28, 2022 6:51 am

Limoges, France still has trolley buses. I think there a couple more European cities that still use them

HotScot
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 28, 2022 1:01 pm

Edinburgh has installed a tram network recently at eye watering, jaw dropping cost. It was a national (UK wide) scandal barely reported by the MSM.

HotScot
Reply to  atticman
July 28, 2022 12:58 pm

Limitations with where the cables could go and their complexity. Nasty when they are damaged as well. Live wires dropping on pedestrians is not to be recommended.

Internally induced propulsion is attractive because of the freedom it imparts, which I think is the whole attraction of cars, be they ICEV or EV.

The ‘freedom’ is somewhat curtailed these days when many cars are stuck in traffic from 7am – 9am and 5pm – 7pm every working day. The fun of motoring is also diminished when those nice weekend runs on open roads at the weekend turn into another trudge in traffic with everyone else able to afford that feeling of freedom.

Sad really. We are trapped into drudgery by the very means that was supposed to relive us of it.

Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 5:36 am

Last week former President Trump gave a speech at a campaign event and in that speech Trump called the Climate Crisis a hoax.

Trump was not questioning that CO2 is a greenhouse gas or that it does what greenhouse gases do. Rather, Trump was challenging the assertion by Alarmists that extreme weather is not natural and is being caused by CO2 instead of Mother Nature.

I think Republicans should adopt this viewpoint as a counter to the Green New Deal propaganda.

The alarmists cannot connect CO2 to extreme weather events other than rhetorically, and Republicans should point this out and call for alarmists to prove their assertions.

Of course, the alarmists cannot prove their assertions. The facts are that severe weather of all kinds is less today than in the past. That’s what the numbers show, and the alarmists cannot change that.

So this is a very good argument for Republicans to make. They will be standing on solid scientific ground. It will cast doubt in the proper places. And alarmists will have no answers for these questions. Republicans should show them, and the public, the numbers. The numbers tell the true, unscary story about the Earth’s weather and weather history. They call into question the need for an emergency climate declaration.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 6:56 am

Of course, the alarmists cannot prove their assertions.

No, but they repeat them over and over and over and over and over from all sources; it is all people hear.

HotScot
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 9:55 am

Gaslighting.

Lie, Lie often, lie confidently, and isolate your target from the truth.

The last part is the MSM’s job and the whole process designed to induce fear and insecurity.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2022 10:45 am

There you go again, pretending the libtards care for facts and figures.
It is base philosophy in every Montessori school: The truth is whatever the majority decides. Every parent that ever sent a child to those satanic fools for schooling, must take responsibility for this pathetic mess we call Liberalism, this generation that is perfecly willing to euthanise their own parents, if only it will get some likes on TwatFaceGramPost.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  cilo
July 29, 2022 3:37 pm

Well, I was just hoping that the next time an extreme weather event was attributed to CO2 by the alarmists, that some Republican would speak up and say “prove it”. That’s all they have to say to get unopinionated people thinking. And when the alarmists cannot prove it, that ought to get them thinking even more.

Republicans ought to do something instead of letting the alarmists have the field all to themselves using the CAGW propaganda as a means to destroy our country. Republicans ought to be concerned about that. Require the alarmists to do something they cannot do which is prove their claims that CO2 is making the weather worse than in the past.

Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 6:23 am

More steroid-pumped watermelon pork (and as I pointed out recently, Manchin is a tax-n-spend liberal):

Joe Manchin Suddenly Supports the $700 Billion Green New Deal Spending Spree — Funded by New Tax Hikes As Inflation Hits 40-Year Highs

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/joe-manchin-suddenly-supports-800-billion-green-new-deal-spending-spree-funded-new-tax-hikes-inflation-hits-time-highs/

Mr.
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 28, 2022 7:35 am

Of course he could be counting on the likelihood that the $$$s will never be spent, because the Dems will be gone in November, and the whole bill will be scorched. ?

HotScot
Reply to  Mr.
July 28, 2022 10:01 am

Assuming the Democrat’s haven’t another voter cheat planned.

As dishonest as most Republican politicians are, OK, maybe not dishonest, cunning might be a better term, Democrats (socialists) are always several steps ahead of them.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
July 29, 2022 3:50 pm

Republicans cunning? No.

Democrats are definitely ahead in the game because they are ruthless and lawless. Republicans, for the most part, are not and are at a distinct disadvantage as a result.

Most Republicans don’t treat the Democrats like the dangerous traitors they really are. They treat them like they are normal persons for some reason. I think they believe this makes them look moderate and reasonable. What it really does is make them look like gullible fools.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mr.
July 29, 2022 3:44 pm

“Of course he could be counting on the likelihood that the $$$s will never be spent,”

Sean Hannity told former President Trump the other day he thought Manchin would stand up to the other Democrats. Trump said no he won’t, he will cave. Hannity said Trump was right.

I’m not sure what Manchin got out of this deal. He certainly lost a lot of credibility with some people. I don’t see this move helping his constituents. On the contrary, it appears he will be harming his constituents if this law passes.

He must have gotten something for taking this position but I can’t see what it is right now. Maybe he wanted to be loved by the radical leftists. That’s the only thing he really accomplished. And they will only love him for a little while.

JCM
July 28, 2022 6:42 am

Ecosystems use solar energy for self-organization and cool themselves by exporting entropy to the atmosphere as heat. These energy transformations are achieved through evapotranspiration of soil moisture, with deeply rooted plants as heat valves. Ecosystems moderate their own climates by controlling the uptake and release of water. 

It is ignored or not understood that landscape management protects the hydrological cycle with its capacity for dissipation of incoming solar energy. Environments that are drained and eroded have far less capacity to dissipate heat, experience greater temperature extremes, have greater vapor pressure deficits, and increased pressure gradients. Crops selected for drought tolerance in the eroded soils are chosen specifically to reduce evapotranspiration rates in efforts to conserve water. The consequence is reduced cooling fluxes of latent heat and increased stagnation of blocking high pressure systems and zonal flows.

Persistence of the dogma that the greenhouse effect acts alone to drive temperature variation and weather anomalies is facilitating further land drainage, erosion, and de-vegetation. The irony is that the leading climate scientists are accelerating terrestrial climate change with their myopic reductionism of science and exclusive talking points about CO2.

Mr.
July 28, 2022 6:53 am

Whatever happened to the “Red Team” versus “Blue Team” contest to discover if / how CO2 was causing climates to change?

H.R.
Reply to  Mr.
July 28, 2022 8:20 am

The Green Team cancelled it.

HotScot
Reply to  H.R.
July 28, 2022 10:01 am

🤣

Peta of Newark
July 28, 2022 9:11 am

Just on the off-chance that there was still any doubt about The New Dark Age…

Quote:”Public …..blah blah blahs…. and there will be no night-time lights on major buildings such as the town hall and museums.

Here

It could barely get any more surreal – read the story to see that it’s going to be A Cold Age also

July 28, 2022 9:30 am

I’ve been thinking about the drought in the US southwest because of the Lake Mead news lately, and started looking at the NOAA GHCN Daily summaries for the precipitation data at several stations in the Colorado River drainage basin. Then I expanded my search into California in general. These are the data I got:

Las Vegas NV
pre-1937 average: ~17 in/ year
1937-2021 average ~17 in /year

Green River, WY: 
1905-1937 average 7.6 in./year 
1938-2021 average 8.6 in./year 
17.1% increase

Flagstaff, AZ Airport: 
1899-1937 average: 21.0 in /year 
1938-2021 average: 20.8 in/year 
1% decrease

Gunnison, CO: 
1893-1937 average: 9.28 in /year 
1938-2021 average: 9.26 in /year 
0.2% decrease

Farmington, NM Four Corners Airport: 
1948-2021 average: 8.1 in /year 
last 20 years average: 7.3 in /year 
10% decrease

Salt Lake City: 
1899-1937 average: 14.6 in /year 
1938-2021 average: 17.2 in/year 
last 20 years average: 20.4 in/year
40% increase

Outside the basin now, and just California.

Los Angeles – USC Campus
1907-1937 average: 14.8 in /year
1938-2021 average: 14.4 in /year
Last 20 years average: 12.6 in. /year
Last 5 years average: 13.6 in. /years
15% decrease

Los Banos
1907-1937 average: 7.9 in /year
1938-2021 average: 9.27 in /year
Last 20 years average: 8.7 in. /year
Last 5 years average: 8.3 in. /year
10% increase

Lemon Cove
1899-1937 average: 18.6 in /year
1938-2021 average: 14.1 in /year
Last 20 years average: 12.5 in. /year
Last 5 years average: 12.7 in. /year
33% decrease

Sacramento
1879-1937 average: 17.4 in /year
1938-2021 average: 18.9 in /year
Last 20 years average: 17.86 in /year
Last 5 years average: 20.03 in /year
3% increase

Some are up, a few more down. Some down just a few percent, one nearly a third. Still, the overall picture doesn’t look like what I’d consider a severe drought.

Is the issue really poor water management? If more dams were built to catch spring snow melt and just ordinary rainfall, would the problem be solved?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  James Schrumpf
July 28, 2022 8:26 pm

Is the issue really poor water management?

Much greater demand than at the beginning of the 20th Century.

Peta of Newark
July 28, 2022 9:50 am

Here’s another ‘Everything Is Wrong‘ moment…

Headline:”Drought and disease exposure led to Europeans adapting to milk consumption, study suggests
here

If there was disease and famine as claimed, why did the humans of the time not eat the cows, instead of looking after and milking them
There could also hardly have been much of A Drought because cows eat grass and the main requirement for growing grass is abundant water

Philip CM
July 28, 2022 9:56 am

Two things that might be interesting to look into, as they’re about to impact the global marketplace via the environment.
1/ ESG (environment, social and governance)
2/ Nudge (aka WHO behavioral insights).

Both take political positions, policy decisions, out of the political sphere where they can be debated, adopted or rejected at each level of governance, and instead place them within non-government institutions where they become operations procedure, and mechanisms of socioeconomic influence.

They are passive aggressive, coercive behavioral control mechanisms that will impact markets by becoming… ‘That’s just how things are done and if you want to participate, get with the program’. Air travel, buying an automobile, a house with property attached, middle class stuff.

ESG is already influencing woke corporations and Investment banking, and Nudge, the WHO (public health). Public health encompasses a rather broad spectrum of factors relating to individual human choice. The environment and public health concerns are going to be part and parcel of our ongoing crisis management applications.

Both will have their say on what we should and shouldn’t be doing as to the environment and we have an ample supply of gutless politicians who will, with the shortest of visions, acquiesce to the dictators of government policy who are, unlike the politicians, far beyond the reach of the electorate.

ResourceGuy
July 28, 2022 10:58 am

Let me get this straight. The Greens want to increase tree planting while continuing the tax benefits to burn wood pellets from clear cut forests on the other side of the Atlantic. Makes perfect sense to the senseless.

Earthling2
July 28, 2022 12:10 pm

I sort of got stumped by a question from my 7 year old grand nephew and need help being able to surmise a simple one sentence answer that a 7 year old can understand.

“Uncle, if the element on the electric stove cooks dinner, why can’t we just put the stove element in the fire place, (or barbecue) and make it red hot and the stove element put out electricity, the same as the electricity making it hot to begin with, but backwards?”

Now I basically understand why, and could maybe explain it in a paragraph, but how would you word a proper reply that could be rattled off in less than a dozen words that a 7 year old would understand?

HotScot
Reply to  Earthling2
July 28, 2022 1:09 pm

You could, but it would be expensive and inefficient.

Coal Fired power stations did/do just that. Burn coal (fireplace/BBQ), heat water pot/element), run a steam turbine, produce electricity.

H.R.
Reply to  Earthling2
July 28, 2022 2:32 pm

Ask the kid if you were to put a log on the fire, could you get up in the morning and get your log back from the ashes? That process is not directly reversible.

HotScot gave a nice example of how the process of electricity to heat is also not directly reversible. You can get electricity back from heating the cooking element, but it takes a different process to do it. The electricity-to-heated-cooktop is not directly reversible to get electricity back out.

With luck, that will lead to more questions about conversion and losses.

Good to see him asking questions. That’s how you learn, eh?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  H.R.
July 29, 2022 5:03 pm

Like this:

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 29, 2022 5:05 pm

This is not the link I copied, mods can delete it.

H.R.
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 29, 2022 8:37 pm

Well, you gave it a go to help the kid out, Tom.

Mike Maguire
July 28, 2022 2:33 pm

On the flood in the St. Louis area:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/87562/

terry
Reply to  Mike Maguire
July 28, 2022 3:31 pm

Thanks for that link. Glad someone is calling B.S. on their doom and gloom prophesies. It’s a good site(YCC) to follow when the tropics are active if you ignore the hysteria.

Mike Maguire
Reply to  terry
July 28, 2022 6:14 pm

YW, Terry,

Yes, Jeff Masters is an actual master when it comes to tropical weather and also a very nice person….at least in college as well as being brilliant.

He worked as a hurricane scientist, flying into hurricanes in the late 1980’s.

I have tremendous respect for his experience and knowledge.

I flew into Hurricane Gloria on September 25, 1985 because the news director at WEHT-Evansville IN, where I was chief meteorologist had some important connections and thought it would be great for ratings.

There was another tv meteorologist with his photographer from Pittsburgh and we joked about how far away from any hurricane strike zones both our cities were but extremely grateful for that once in a life time opportunity because of television ratings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Gloria

Neo
July 28, 2022 5:17 pm
July 29, 2022 5:01 am

Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (vacsafety.org)
Steve Kirsch’s website – his new full-time job – like mine – well done.

The PANDA WHO Review – the Covid-19 scam described.
The WHO Review and Why it Matters to You?” was written by Abir Ballan and published by PANDA. It is a must read by anyone who is interested in public health, the global COVID-19 WHO policies – that almost all nations followed, and the full extent of the corruption by WHO/global leaders and governments. The review also lists out what should have been done instead. The full document can be accessed by the link below:

The Link is HERE

July 29, 2022 5:04 am
Reply to  Allan MacRae
July 29, 2022 8:53 am

Hello Moderator – this post disappeared.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/28/open-thread-33/#comment-3566234
 
This is the really scary one – I sent all the above to my idiot governments.
David Martin is quite intelligent, imo, and he does his homework –  I don’t dismiss his hypothesis.
 
WILL 100 MILLION DIE FROM THE COVID VAX BY 2028?
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola July 16, 2022
 
STORY AT-A-GLANCE

  • David Martin, Ph.D., presents evidence that COVID-19 injections are not vaccines, but bioweapons that are being used as a form of genocide across the global population
  • The spike protein that the COVID-19 shots manufacture is a known biologic agent of concern
  • Martin believes the number that may die may have been revealed back in 2011, when the World Health Organization announced their “decade of vaccination”
  • The objective for the decade of vaccination was a population reduction of 15% globally, which would be about 700 million people dead; in the U.S., this may amount to between 75 million and 100 million people dying from COVID-19 shots
  • When asked what timeframe these people may die in, Martin suggested “there’s a lot of economic reasons why people hope that it’s between now and 2028”
  • The projected illiquidity of the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs by 2028 suggests the “fewer people who are recipients of these programs, the better;” Martin believes this may be why people 65 and over were targeted with COVID-19 shots first

 
IMPORTANT Video: 700 Million Worldwide Will Die from CV19 Vax by 2028 – Dr. David Martin (rumble.com)

July 29, 2022 5:08 am

This is the really scary one – I sent all the above to my idiot governments.

David Martin is quite intelligent, imo, and he does his homework –  I don’t dismiss his hypothesis.
 
The supporting evidence is that we’ve known since ~Dec2020 that the Covid-19 vaccines were toxic and ineffective. Since 8Jan2021 I have warned you again and again about the toxic and ineffective Covid-19 vaccines. In a competent, honest society , these toxic vaccines would never have been deployed, but they are still being promoted by your government.
 
This is egregiously wrong. No rational , honest person or group could innocently be this wrong, this utterly obtuse, for this long. The evidence supports criminal negligence or deliberate lethal fraud.
 
WILL 100 MILLION DIE FROM THE COVID VAX BY 2028?
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola July 16, 2022
 
STORY AT-A-GLANCE

  • David Martin, Ph.D., presents evidence that COVID-19 injections are not vaccines, but bioweapons that are being used as a form of genocide across the global population
  • The spike protein that the COVID-19 shots manufacture is a known biologic agent of concern
  • Martin believes the number that may die may have been revealed back in 2011, when the World Health Organization announced their “decade of vaccination”
  • The objective for the decade of vaccination was a population reduction of 15% globally, which would be about 700 million people dead; in the U.S., this may amount to between 75 million and 100 million people dying from COVID-19 shots
  • When asked what timeframe these people may die in, Martin suggested “there’s a lot of economic reasons why people hope that it’s between now and 2028”
  • The projected illiquidity of the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs by 2028 suggests the “fewer people who are recipients of these programs, the better;” Martin believes this may be why people 65 and over were targeted with COVID-19 shots first

 
IMPORTANT Video: 700 Million Worldwide Will Die from CV19 Vax by 2028 – Dr. David Martin (rumble.com)
 

Matthew Schilling
July 29, 2022 9:10 am

What is going on with natural gas in the US??? The weekly injections into storage have been tiny vs. recent years. And that’s despite a fire a couple weeks ago that shut down a big LNG facility that would’ve been shipping a bunch overseas.

Criminally insane climastrologists are trying to get people killed.

August 4, 2022 2:44 am

The real leading cause of death in Alberta is NOT “Unknown” – it is the toxic Covid-19 jabs.
Covid-19 was a scamdemic. I first told you so 29 months ago on 21Mar2020.
 
LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN ALBERTA IS “UNKNOWN”
In the year of the jab, 2021, deaths shot up around the world, but in Alberta the new cause of death is supposedly “unknown”. The injections are “safe and effective” – not.
by Dr Mark Trozzi August 1, 2022

Prior to 2019, Alberta’s annual cause of death statistics did not even include an “unknown cause” category, but in the year of the jab 2021, it is supposedly the “leading cause of death”.  
VAERS, UK data, and other sources of health data from around the world all show massive increases in excess deaths; not when covid was launched; but rather with the mass launch of the forced injection campaigns. 
Video: Impact of COVID Vaccinations on Mortality (rumble.com)
USA life insurance analysts report 60% to 80% increased death rates in young demographic groups. The same is true in Canada. This is unheard of historically , even during war. Undeterred by reality, meat puppets still call the genetic bioweapon injections “safe and effective vaccines”.
The injections are still pushed on the public by governments, medical regulators, and dinosaur media.
Now, in Alberta a highly suspicious statistic anomaly has appeared. The province’s cause-of-death statistics now list the leading cause of death as “other ill-defined and unknown causes of mortality”.
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Perversely, adverse effects of the forced injections do not even appear in the top ten, unless it is part of number 10 which is “accidental poisoning”. Across the country doctors come under attack for even just attempting to report adverse effects and deaths following the injections.  
Here you can have a look or download the data for yourself. Alberta provincial cause of death data from 2001 to 2021: Click here
Here is some great gas lighting on this subject by the tax dollar funded propagandists at CTV news: https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/deaths-with-unknown-causes-now-alberta-s-top-killer-province-1.5975536
 

niceguy
August 7, 2022 8:17 pm

Why do American commentators and many politicians show that much PLEASURE in their faces? I mean people can have good or bad days, but US hosts almost always have that ecstatic face.
That’s inexistant in major French news networks.
Example of too ecstatic face, that guy:

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