In 2018 Geologist Ian Plimer was asked to identify the mysterious high pressure substance shooting out of the pipe, in a place where the Victorian State Government assured us there were no deposits of gas. Source The Outsiders

Victoria’s Green Zealots Banned Gas Fracking – Now Running Out of Gas

Essay by Eric Worrall

Joined up thinking running strong in the Australian People’s Republic of Victoria.

Victoria facing gas shortage as market regulator warns of further intervention

Iona gas storage facility drops to record-low supply levels due to high demand amid Victoria’s price cap

Australian Associated Press
Tue 19 Jul 2022 10.45 AEST

Australia’s energy regulator has warned Victoria is facing a gas shortage which could plunge the electricity market into a fresh crisis.

The Iona gas storage facility in Port Campbell has dropped to record-low supply levels due to high demand amid the state’s price cap.

In an industry letter issued on Monday, the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) warned of the risk of curtailment during peak demand.

“AEMO has determined that there is a possibility that market or operational responses may prove insufficient to alleviate the threat. AEMO is considering all other possible options prior to intervening,” it said.

Lochard Energy, which owns Iona, said “unplanned coal fired generation outages” and cold weather has increased demand.

The state’s price cap remains at $40 per gigajoule, as demand for gas continues to soar globally due to various factors including a significant drop in supply caused by the war in Ukraine.

While acknowledging the energy network is under pressure, the state’s deputy premier, Jacinta Allan, says Victoria is a net gas exporter and AEMO’s latest advice is the state has enough supply to meet its needs.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/19/victoria-facing-gas-shortage-as-market-regulator-warns-of-further-intervention

In 2021 Victoria made a big show of their green energy plans and hostility towards gas extraction, by enshrining a ban on fracking into the state constitution.

Enshrining Victoria’s Ban On Fracking Forever 

05 March 2021

The Andrews Labor Government has listened to farmers and regional communities and banned fracking in Victoria for good, enshrining the ban in the state’s Constitution.

The Constitution Amendment (Fracking Ban) Bill 2020 has passed through the Upper House and Victoria’s Constitution will now be amended, safeguarding our regions from the threat of practices that could harm the environment.

Fracking was banned in 2017 and at the 2018 election, the Labor Government promised to put that ban in the Constitution – to make it harder for future Liberal and National governments to put our food and fibre sector at risk.

The restart of the onshore conventional gas sector is on track for 1 July 2021. This restart follows three years of detailed scientific investigations by the Victorian Gas Program (VGP), which found an onshore conventional gas industry would not compromise the environment or our vital agricultural sector.

Conventional gas extraction does not involve fracking – it is a tried and tested method to access gas deep underground trapped by an impermeable rock layer.

South-west Victoria and Gippsland are the main regions set to benefit, where geoscience studies have located potentially significant onshore conventional gas resources.

Production of the estimated onshore conventional gas resources could generate approximately $300 million annually for regional economies and create up to 6,400 jobs over the lifespan of these projects.

Victoria’s regulations governing onshore conventional gas exploration are being improved based on the recommendations of the VGP’s independent stakeholder advisory panel, made up of farmers, environment groups, industry representatives and local councils. Public consultation on the new regulations will begin in April.

Quotes attributable to Minister for Resources Jaclyn Symes 

“No other government in the world has gone as far as enshrining a coal seam gas and fracking ban in their constitution – but we’re determined to make this a permanent decision.”

“We’ve listened to our rural communities who have told us they do not want the unacceptable risks that fracking brings that could impact our farming and tourism sectors.”

Source: https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/enshrining-victorias-ban-fracking-forever

Energy sources are only useful if they can deliver energy when you need it.

An AEMO report published in March suggests “… The declining Victorian production capacity during the outlook period is also expected to reduce system resilience. …”. Similar warnings were also present in the 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018 and 2017 reports, so the Victorian Government had plenty of advance warning they had a problem. The Victorian Government’s response to these warnings was to add a permanent fracking ban to the Victorian state constitution in 2021.

To be fair the AEMO predicted Victoria would not start facing winter shortfalls until 2024, but it seems pretty reckless to knowingly run an entire state’s energy supply close to the point of failure, when there are readily available options to alleviate the stress.

Dan Andrews, the premier of Victoria who passed the constitutional amendment which banned fracking, was also the premier who last year ordered police to fire rubber bullets at unarmed workers, during a vaccine mandate protest.

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Streetcred
July 19, 2022 10:19 pm

Lochard Energy, which owns Iona, said “unplanned coal fired generation outages” and cold weather has increased demand.”

I keep hearing about how reliable renewables are … where is all of the solar and wind power they keep shoving down our necks ? Oh, it’s gone missing in action … AWOL.

LdB
Reply to  Streetcred
July 19, 2022 10:32 pm

Ask a greentard and the problem is you simply haven’t built enough 🙂

Dennis
Reply to  LdB
July 19, 2022 11:32 pm

…… and they are getting cheaper, don’t forget.

Jack Frost
Reply to  Streetcred
July 20, 2022 5:15 am

Headline in UK press today say’s good old Boris is approving more offshore wind to combat climate change! So a highly subsidised industry get to rip off the taxer even more while we sit on vast reserves of untapped gas because Johnson doesn’t have the balls to get cracking with fracking. I hope Johnson’s successor will not be as reluctant to use this natural resource.

Hans
Reply to  Jack Frost
July 26, 2022 10:17 am

Bo Jo, is a complete fool and a vassal
of the green energy cartel. I had doubts
of his leadership and now his ship is sinking
at the stern. He represents the ongoing failure
of UK’s national policy.

MarkH
July 19, 2022 10:22 pm

Also, the Victorian Liberal Party (the supposedly conservative party) has now adopted a net zero policy. With sky rocketing fuel, energy and food prices, and regular working families really feeling the pain now, I struggle to imagine what madness would drive them to such a policy. Do they think the radical greens will suddenly turn around and vote for them?

With an election coming up in November, almost certainly the most important election in the history of Victoria as the re-election of the tyrannical despot Dan Andrews (spit!) would be the final nail in the coffin for this state. The Liberal opposition has been about as strong as a wet tissue, for years. If Andrews wins in November, I may well be a refugee.

People in this state are hurting, but they are like Stalin’s chickens. Despite being tortured endlessly, they will run after him for some scraps thrown from the table.

waza
Reply to  MarkH
July 19, 2022 11:39 pm

Surely, you’ve heard of Ms Piggy? and how the leftist Labor government allowed a state controlled bank to go broke.
Here in Australia and more specifically in Victoria we have a cycle were the financially conservative Liberal Party tighten everyone’s belt only to then allow the left leaning Labor Government to give all the money away. Dictator Dan is just having his turn.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  waza
July 20, 2022 11:56 am

I lived through that hideous Socialists hags and her predecessor John Cains economic mess…..Matthew Guy once quipped that Daniel Andrews makes Joan Kirner look like Margaret Thatcher

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkH
July 20, 2022 3:15 am

same here I have my 8acres for sale now, if xidan gets back in Im selling the house n 3acres, as well and going to SA even though its almost as insanely green there. however bad at least its danfree;-/

LdB
July 19, 2022 10:29 pm

I said that was going to happen it was a case of the bleeding obvious 🙂

It is as predictable as the collapse and rolling blackouts coming the Eastern State grids way.

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Mr.
July 19, 2022 10:46 pm

The Fabians have always had a strong presence in Victorian politics.

I fear they’re now linking dogmas with the WEF plants in all sectors of Victorian institutions.

The greenies are just useful idiots for these 2 groups.

And the ordinary citizens are just fodder for the grand plan –
“own nothing, and be happy”

Dennis
Reply to  Mr.
July 19, 2022 11:33 pm

A Fabian Society saying: The inevitability of gradualness.

AndyHce
Reply to  Mr.
July 20, 2022 2:38 am

They will control the owning nothing.
Being happy is up to you.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Mr.
July 20, 2022 3:17 am

a LOT of us rural people sure wont be voting em back in
we managed to keep almost all of our nationals people in place to protect us

Julian Flood
Reply to  Mr.
July 20, 2022 8:35 am

YOU will own nothing and THEY will be happy.

JF

Mike Lowe
July 19, 2022 10:53 pm

Melon madness!

Chris Hanley
July 19, 2022 10:59 pm

The Victorian Government’s response to these warnings was to add a permanent fracking ban to the Victorian state constitution in 2021

According to Samantha Hepburn Director of the Centre for Energy and Natural Resources Law, Deakin Law School, Deakin University the constitutional amendment is highly unlikely to be legally effective: “unlike the federal constitution, the Victorian constitution is an ordinary act, and so it can be amended by another legal act”.
Going on the rest of her article my guess Samantha is a fervent Green so in this case I tend to believe her.
Andrews has quietly removed the moratorium on onshore conventional gas exploration recently but any extraction is sure to be overburdened with very restrictive regulations, too little too late.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 20, 2022 3:19 am

threats of blackouts and gas shortages after millions made sure they had govt endorsed gas heating cooking and hws installed at huge costs will see onland conventional gas get/stay approved Id say

Bob Close
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 20, 2022 3:40 am

Its good news that conventional gas exploration is now back on the approved list, of course it should never have been banned, only ideology or stupidity could have got Victoria into this energy mess. As for the huge on shore gas resources in East Gippsland, I wonder when they will be ‘re-discovered’, and trumpeted as a triumph for the Labor government (who deliberately ‘lost’ them). So much socialist bullshit!
If the wimpish (Turnbull loving) Liberal party in Victoria had any integrity, common sense or backbone, they would attack Labor about its many failings but especially its self induced energy dilemma, resource policies and imbecilic climate agenda.

It’s way past time the AGW climate science scourge behind all this crazy energy mess was called into question, when global and Australian temperatures over the past 23 years have shown very little warming despite the strengthening CO2 atmospheric content. It is clearly evident to all rational scientists, excluding climate alarmists like Karoly and Flannery, that the AGW charade is over, further CO2 emissions are just not going to cause any dangerous warming! It is only the ridiculously expensive but seriously flawed climate models that are keeping the climate pot boiling over. They have also been discredited by modern physics and observations, so the climate science farce should stop now if it weren’t for the credulous politicians who use the climate scare to further regulate the populace.

Still if you Victorians want to be led astray into energy poverty and lower prosperity, go right ahead and re-elect the Andrew’s government, that’s all you deserve, a miserable future..

July 19, 2022 11:19 pm

“Now Running Out of Gas”
Victoria is not running out of gas. It has a storage facility that has been allowed to run low. It needs to be recharged, and will be. The reason it was allowed to run low is the mundane one – gas prices are high at the moment, so people are tempted to sell off the reserves.

Victoria’s issues are a smaller version of Australia’s. We have plenty of gas, but facilities are available to export it (to and via NSW) and that is being done with gusto at present prices. We get what is left.

The story of the storage facility is instructive. There has been exploration for gas in Victoria, onshore and off, and a field was discovered in the Otway Basin. It turned out to have not much gas and depleted rapidly, but then turned out to be useful for storage. That happened. But of course when prices skyrocket, everyone wants to raid the piggybank. 

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 19, 2022 11:28 pm

Eric
I think I’ll go with the AEMO view on this one.”
OK, per your quote

AEMO’s latest advice is the state has enough supply to meet its needs.”

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 20, 2022 3:21 am

some? a lot
its been blo*dy cold here for weeks

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 6:17 pm

It has a storage facility that has been allowed to run low.

Wow. Not a hint of irony.

Imagine – “I am not not flat out broke, I just have a bank account that has been allowed to run low”
or
“My family is starving, we just have a pantry that has been allowed to run low”
or
“Sco Mo didn’t lose the right to form Government, he just had a quota of lower house seats that was allowed to run low”
or
“I have not been unproductive at work, I just have an Out Tray that has been allowed to run low”

Well done Nick

Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 20, 2022 8:25 pm

Well, just repeating
“AEMO’s latest advice is the state has enough supply to meet its needs.”
There is no interruption to gas supply. A particular storage facility needs recharging to meet AEMO’s specified reserve capacity.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 9:43 pm

Why are energy prices in Victoria skyrocketing Nick Stokes ?

Dennis
July 19, 2022 11:31 pm

The “Chairman” of the State of Victoria locking up the people’s assets, natural gas, coal, whatever is onshore below ground, is much like your bankers deciding to deny you access to your deposited funds.

AndyHce
Reply to  Dennis
July 20, 2022 2:41 am

The social credit program going strong already.

Rod Evans
July 19, 2022 11:39 pm

What social consequence is required to demonstrate to these green energy zealots, their religion is false?
The collective economic suicide being progressed in Victoria, is yet another example of group think Green folly.
Will the advocates for unreliable, unaffordable energy, change their minds when whole sections of their previously stable community riot in protest? Or, will they regard that as just another necessary feature of their madcap quasi religion’s desirable outcomes? People do not matter to the anti energy zealots, so the anger of people certainly does not matter to them whatever the outcome.
If the example provided by Germany can simply be ignored, as they are trying to do, anything is possible. Germany was the poster child of Green energy strategy in Europe. It acted as an example to the world. It showed how to abandon reliable domestically sourced fossil fuel. The world can now see how to abandon reliable energy, provided by domestically sourced coal and become reliant on importing energy from an unstable state dictator. Now, it is only Russian gas that is left and able to meet industrial bulk energy needs.
Then, not content with banning domestic fossil fuel supply, Germany mandated a ban on nuclear power too? Was that to show a full commitment to Green energy policies supported by high tech barons and media/institutions in the West?
What could possibly go wrong?
This winter in Europe will be a challenge. Rolling blackouts are now planned in to avoid complete system collapse. By the end of this week, Europe will know if the pipeline from Russia supplying the vital gas Germany needs will be opened after planned annual maintenance work. The early indications are is will stay closed.
Victoria won’t have long to wait. They will see the outcome of banning domestic fossil fuel supplies in a modern economy. Germany and Italy will be the canaries in the coal mines showing what a destabilised modern society can turn into,

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ozspeaksup
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 20, 2022 3:25 am

i roared laughing reading Russia halted ALL gas to germany last night
excellent outcome and wake the f up for enerywiende idiots.
and serve em right for being such fools as to agree to ussa overpriced gas that cuts you short at home and raised YOUR prices
convenient how 2 gas plants can not supply OS but can supply at home isnt it??

TonyG
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 20, 2022 11:13 am

What social consequence is required to demonstrate to these green energy zealots, their religion is false?

I’m not sure there is any consequence, social or otherwise, that can accomplish that.

JohnTyler
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 21, 2022 2:07 pm

When pseudo-religious ideologues are in the driver’s seat shoving their agenda down the throats of an unwilling citizenry, there are no consequences the public will suffer that will deflect the path the ideologues are pursuing.
Ideologues DO NOT CARE about anything or anybody; they care only about imposing their agenda.
Extreme examples was the intentional starvation of millions of Ukrainians by Russian Bolsheviks intent on establishing their “workers paradise;” Pol Pot’s cleansing of Cambodia by eliminating “enemies of the state,” Hitler’s actions against the “untermensch” as well as starting a war; just to name a few.

History shows the only solution to thwart the path of the ideologues is to eliminate them from the living.

Redge
July 19, 2022 11:44 pm

Off-topic:

On the UK’s hottest day evahhhhh! Unreliables barely made a dent with coal beating solar (LHS in the image below)

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CoRev
Reply to  Redge
July 20, 2022 7:31 am

We need the URL to get the relationships.

Redge
Reply to  CoRev
July 20, 2022 8:03 am

Link

As of 4 pm UK time

In the dead of winter the figures are worse for unreliables

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Redge
Reply to  Redge
July 20, 2022 8:04 am

And no, the answer is not more unreliables

CoRev
Reply to  Redge
July 20, 2022 9:21 am

Thanks, Redge.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  CoRev
July 20, 2022 8:11 am

https:grid.iamkate.com/

Dave Andrews
Reply to  CoRev
July 20, 2022 8:13 am
CoRev
Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 20, 2022 9:28 am

Thanks.

July 20, 2022 12:20 am

Eric,
Dan Andrews, the premier of Victoria who passed the constitutional amendment which banned fracking, was also the premier who last year ordered police to fire rubber bullets at unarmed workers, during a vaccine mandate protest.”

There is absolutely nothing in your link to say that Andrews gave such an order,

The constitutional amendment was passed in both houses by a “special majority”, ie more than 60%. So it was supported by both parties.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 12:42 am

Here is the Liberal spokesman speaking on the amendment:
“The Liberal-National coalition will support this bill because we support the ban on fracking. In fact it was the previous Liberal-National government of Baillieu-Napthine in 2016 or 2017 that imposed the first moratorium on fracking in Victoria—because fracking has occurred in Victoria previously. It occurred in Victoria previously under licences and approvals issued by the previous Labor government. So we have had fracking in this state, and it was authorised—it was approved—by the Labor government of John Brumby and Steve Bracks.”
They support the ban on fracking, blaming Labor for being too permissive. They support the bill because fracking is opposed by a major constituency – farmers. It isn’t greens that are pushing it.

fretslider
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 1:20 am

Australia – from penal colony to lunatic asylum

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 3:28 am

true Libs did NOTHING to support protests

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 11:46 am

” Dan Andrews , the premier of Victoria ……….was also the premier who last year ordered police to fire rubber bullets at unarmed workers during a vaccine mandate protest …………There is absolutely nothing in your link to say that Andrews gave such an order ” ……….Then who issued the draconian dispersal order [ there is footage of an over excited riot squad goon battering a protester with his gun among other egregious abuses I will have more to say on those abuses soon ] Nick Stokes ? ..Shane Patton on the ‘advice’ of the Victorian Chief Health Officer ? A quiet word from the shocked CFMMEU strongmen [ who laughably like Bill Shorten and Sally McManus accused the enraged union workers of being infiltrated by ‘ far right ‘ and ‘fascist’ provocateurs ] to their Trades Hall comrades the Victoria Police Association ? It is difficult to believe the order was not decreed by someone in the Premiers office . Andrews is a control freak tyrant .. Perhaps under questioning they might all mysteriously suffer memory lapses as they did after the hotel quarantine security debacle that led to the deaths of over 800 Victorians whom the green left elite sophist Mr Stokes – predictably – exhibits no sympathy for anymore than the construction workers and laborers protesting the vaccine mandates ……For those WUWT commentators and readers unfamiliar with the CFMMEU , the mega union donates considerable stipends to not only the state and federal Labor parties but also the Greens and the union splurged a $1 million fertilizer donation to the activist group Get Up ……Do you endorse the Greens Mr Stokes ? That is the impression I have .We are talking large sums of influence buying money ……The Melbournian Mr .Stokes hasn’t told you that the infuriated workers who felt betrayed by Setka’s deals with the Victorian Labor govenment , were attacked by the Victoria Police special operations squads after they rioted outside the Melbourne CFMMEU headquarters… And there is so much more he hasn’t told you …The CFMMEU has posted shows of support on social media for the repressive Maduro dictatorship ruling and ruining Venezuala which is where Victoria is headed if astute management of the state is not restored ….Several more radical CFMEU officials appeared at a fundraiser for a jailed member of the Colombian narco -terrorist organization FARC .[ A former Greens candidate and CFMEU member who ran in the NSW seat of Fowler was named as the FARC representative in Australia ].The Maritime Union division of the CFMMEU was intensively involved in the Youth Climate Strikes and as another point of interest the Mining and Energy divisions of the CFMMEU – probably sickened by and fed up with the unions job destroying green left ideology – actually pursued [unsuccessfully ] legal action to divest from the hybrid union ….I’m sure Nick Stokes doesn’t mind me filling in those blanks ….

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 20, 2022 6:13 pm

Eric, you made it up. You have no evidence of any order from Andrews. In fact, police commanders would be in control of these tactical decisions.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 8:22 pm

You are in the habit of making stuff up Nick Stokes so you have some nerve … Have you read my response above ?…. Police usually operate under top down structured orders in those situations – issued by the police minister or the premiers office ….The Coates Inquiry found that the hotel quarantine security fiasco that resulted in 99% of second wave infections and over 800 deaths in breach of the governments workplace manslaughter laws for which no one was charged , was attributable to failure ” at the highest echelons of government “….The highest echelon of government in Victoria apart from the governor general is the premiers office..Why would we expect anything different with regard to who conveyed the orders to violently disperse the construction workers protesting the governments vaccine mandates after they – quite understandably – vented their fury at Setka and the CFMMEU leadership outside the Melbourne headquarters of the union that funds and influences the Labor party and the Greens ? …Often, .Victorians do not get to see much in the way of ‘evidence ‘ in the Albania of the Antipodes and you know this Stokes ……………..Interested WUWT readers and contributors should also realize that one senior Victoria Police commander was Daniel Andrews former chief of staff [ believe me VicPol is politicized and the forces motto ‘ Uphold the Right’ is now mocked as ” Uphold the Left ‘] They are furthermore encouraged to read [ possibly paywalled outside Australia ] The Age article : ” The Secret State : How You Are Kept in the Dark ” ..That was published in 2018 in a left wing newspaper …Things are so much worse these days….Some of us know this from bitter personal experience

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 8:58 pm

” Eric you made it up . You have no evidence of any order from Andrews . In fact police commanders would be in control of these tactical decisions”………Why not ask the Cook family whose Dandenong catering business was shut down and bankrupted .by a planted slug and a falsely misattributed listeriosis poisoning case only for subsequent Victoria Police investigations to be delayed and handballed, what evidence means in the murky state of Victoria if Green bureaucrats and friends of the Labor Party are involved ?… Or the maliciously prosecuted and framed Cardinal George Pell who only found justice when his case was heard in the High Court outside Victoria ………… .The Victoria Police are the paramilitary wing of the Victorian Labor Party …. .Why don’t you educate others here on Brett Curran Wade Noonan and the fact that John Cain Jr – the son of 1980’s Labor premier John Cain – was a former head honcho of the state Office of Public Prosecutions ? ….The Marxist theorist of institutional capture Antonio Gramsci would marvel at the state of affairs in Victorias govenment agencies – particularly the Department of Health and VicPol …..Those of us not in the Labor or Greens camps are disgusted by it

bigoilbob
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
July 21, 2022 9:27 am

Why not ask the Cook family whose Dandenong catering business was shut down and bankrupted .by a planted slug and a falsely misattributed l….”

Why not provide documentation? Your claim, your responsibility to back it up. At least that’s how it works in superterranea…

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 21, 2022 7:31 pm

Not my ‘claim’ at all …It is all on the public record ….The Cook family have mounds of documentation – some of it included in the formal complaint to the Australian Federal Police after the Victoria Police ‘Red Shirted ‘ the matter despite a retired police detective working pro bono for the family describing the slug gate scandal as the most disgusting case of corruption he has ever witnessed The story of the Slug-gate controversy is laid out here ” How a family business was killed off by a planted Slug , Dr Brett Sutton and Corruption The Cook family were however vehemently denied access to the Victoria Police files concerning the interviews with Dr Brett Sutton [ named as a ‘person of interest ‘ in a detectives briefing note ] of the Department of Health [ when the sleazy agency is not conducting raids on pregnant mothers and synagogues ] that happened to be a co- investor in the I-Cook catering businesses floundering loss making rival Community Chef . That strikes me as serious conflict of interest and a denial of justice …..At least thats how things ‘work’ in the Albania of the Antipodes https://Sluggate.com.au

bigoilbob
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
July 21, 2022 8:38 pm

A “formal complaint” is proof? Search for bdgwx watts up to see an example of how lies travel from blog to blog. You are merely the latest example…

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Stuart Hamish
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 22, 2022 12:01 am

You must have serious comprehension problems or you purposefully dissembling bob …….You could land a job in the Department of Health ……The link containing an extensive range of information [ not just the AFP complaint ] is posted at the bottom and I typed the title of the article in the text : ” How a family business was killed off by a planted Slug , Dr Brett Sutton and Corruption….Alternatively you could review the ABC and Dandenong Star reports or the Discernible podcasts Or The Age They all reported on the disgraceful ruination of a family business Not ‘lies travelling from blog to blog at all ….. The retired Victoria Police detective Bradys assessement after he worked pro bono for the Cook family are on the record ” . So too the Dandenong council officer who testified that she witnessed Elizabeth Garlick digitally modifying her photos of the slug Brady is not lying Rogerson is not lying either Health bureaucrats were caught lying and the corrupt Victoria Police covered up the travesty ….

bigoilbob
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
July 22, 2022 7:32 am

AGAIN, your article never leads to an actual documentation of this. I.e., no actual link to any “public record”. It just swings from one echo to another. Here is the bdgwx link with an unfortunately common (in WUWT) similar example.

Interminably, I need to refer to Christopher Hitchens.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/18/updated-atmospheric-co2-concentration-forecast-through-2050-and-beyond/#comment-3558601

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Stuart Hamish
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 22, 2022 7:26 pm

” Again your article ….” ..I cited multiple references – not just one article Poor bob has trouble distinguishing the plural from the singular or he delights in being a pestering provocateur Why would I or you have access to the family’s and their lawyers personal documentation ? …..No it does not swing from one echo to another [ anymore than one blog to another blog. What a stupid argument ] Notice bob’s conspicuous aversion to any acknowledgement of Rogersons testimony or retired detective Brady’s evaluation of the case – who was privy to all the evidence- after his arguments were shown to be facile and predicated on ‘moving the goalposts ” …. Christopher Hitchens would have sided with the Cook family and not corrupt Victorian health officers and bureaucrats

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
July 22, 2022 7:28 pm

And ‘bob’ finishes with a non sequitur ..He’ll probably have to look up the meaning of that term

Michael in Dublin
July 20, 2022 2:26 am

Andrews and his buddies will have a backup supply when the rest of Victorians sit in the dark. This is why the politicians do not have to worry about decisions that are detrimental to ordinary citizens. When it comes to the next election they may get voted out – for a while – but are replaced by another group promising to be different but in reality simply the same dog washed and groomed. They can bide their time for a few years and then get back into power by again fooling the naive public. This is why democracy with universal suffrage fails. It would be far better to limit the vote to those who are older and wiser and who have actually been productive citizens in real – non government – jobs.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 20, 2022 3:32 am

agree and thats why the greentards n labor are pushing lowering voter ages
NO WAY!

ozspeaksup
July 20, 2022 3:07 am

oh ffs
we wanted frakking banned as the areas are good farmland!!! and they do tend to manage to want OWNED land not govt.
we have PLENTY off offshore or onland NORMAL gas
what we dont have is OWNED by aussie extraction apart from a pathetic 5% or so
what we DO have is no laws protecting supply FOR us at home, or controlling pricegouging when we do get it.
weve been flogging it off to japan and china for decades at far lower prices then WE cop at home. I and many more have been rather vocal about it but of course “CIC” deals done to encourage industry
yeah
the same mobs that rip us off and dont PAY TAX to us.
frak bans was about the ONLY useful thing XiDan has managed in his pathetic career

IanE
Reply to  ozspeaksup
July 20, 2022 4:58 am

Wrong-headed, to be kind. Fracking takes very small areas – much, MUCH smaller than solar and wind!

bigoilbob
Reply to  IanE
July 21, 2022 9:33 am

“Fracking takes very small areas – much, MUCH smaller than solar and wind!”

Channels my claim that my dining room table takes up 14in^2, since that’s the combined area of the base of my 4 table legs. Tell it to the residents of the entire West Virginia counties trashed out by EQT, Chesapeake, etc. And solar/wind are MUCH more compatible with ag (no toxic slurries buried in reserve pits, no naturally occurring radioactive material….) than any fossil fuel development. AND they pay rent. Functionally forever, since the value is on the site, not temporarily under it.

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Stuart Hamish
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 21, 2022 7:58 pm

” solar and wind are much more compatible with ag [ presumably agriculture ] ………….Have you watched the documentary Planet of the Human’s ‘bigoilbob” [ I can just visualize the irony meter ] ?…..The images of American forested and desert flora landscapes razed to make way for solar and wind farms that compete for agricultural and pastoral land at a time of increasing food stock uncertainty are hard to shake from ones mind ‘trashed out ‘ indeed …..Solar and wind turbine manufacture [ most of it powered by fossil fuels . Isnt that hilarious in a dark sort of way ?] and disposal generate considerably more toxic waste [ particularly heavy metals such as cadmium ] than nuclear fission power stations . ……”no toxic slurries ‘ you say ? That is not true. and I’m being charitable …………Michael Shellenberger – himself an old enviromentalist campaigner – has written about the looming photovoltaic panel toxic waste crisis in the magazine Forbes ..An estimated 75 million metric tons of solar industry contaminant landfill waste in the decades to come

bigoilbob
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
July 21, 2022 8:47 pm

Have you watched the documentary Planet of the Human’s ‘bigoilbob” [ I can just visualize the irony meter”

M^2 discusses AGW hyperbole. I think you missed the part about how he wholly subscribes to the science. AND FYI, he misses and/or cherry picks most of his assertions. A miss from a good hitter.

https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues/energy/planet-of-the-humans-one-moore-rebuttal-to-widely-debunked-anti-renewables-documentary/

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 22, 2022 12:05 am

Not the smartest fellow are you bob ?….Can you articulate this ‘rebuttal in your own words ?….No you cant

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
July 22, 2022 12:10 am

Have you ever watched the movie ?

bigoilbob
Reply to  Stuart Hamish
July 22, 2022 7:37 am

Why should I when, like lots of above ground folks, I can find a source who does it better? You certainly have no comeback to it.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 22, 2022 7:33 pm

He hasn’t even watched a documentary he posted a ‘climate nexus ‘refutation ” too …..That’s some comeback

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 22, 2022 12:08 am

‘The science ” he subscribes to ? …..What has that to do with the incontestable fact that forests and desert environments are razed and despoiled to make way for wind farms and solar arrays …..? Probably pointless to ask that question

observa
Reply to  ozspeaksup
July 20, 2022 7:03 am

Here educate yourself-
APPEA Key Statistics 2020
Finding and extracting oil and gas is a very expensive and risky business and while you’re squawking about the price producers are getting now I didn’t hear a squeak out of you when they were losing dough back in 2016-17 and were going to the wall during Covid. Now they’re making hay you want to put your greedy snout in the trough.

As for-
weve been flogging it off to japan and china for decades at far lower prices then WE cop at home.
You can blame dopey Oz climate changers for that. How so? Well when the industry wanted some hands up for long term contractual takeoffs to develop new fields (ie to hedge a fair chunk of the risk) it was the likes of China, Japan and South Korea that put their hands up with forethought and patient capital.

Whereas large OZ demanders in industry and in particular gas fired power generators being told fossil fuels had to go they naturally sat back enjoying dirt cheap spot pricing at the time. Boo hoo just at present because of the nasty commie in Ukraine but now you and your like want to emulate his snatch and grab methods instead of paying current market rates.

Just like our current Treasurer aren’t you? Now it’s all about the servos price gouging poor victims like yourself-
Chalmers takes aim at petrol price gouging (msn.com)
Where have our American cousins heard that exhibition of complete economic illiteracy before? Or is he really just playing to the ignorant gallery like yourself?

Giordano Milton
July 20, 2022 7:27 am

It sounds as though their constitution can be changed easily, at the drop if a hat. That’s basically just another law. Constitutions should be hard to change

george1st:)
July 20, 2022 8:01 am

When will we have a vaccine for the net zero virus .
It is becoming more contagious and dangerous at every opportunity .
Elites and politicians luv it and lap it up while the public is dumbfounded by the media .

MarkW
July 20, 2022 9:07 am

The Lt. Governor of Pennsylvania calls Fracking a stain on the state’s reputation. He also regrets his “privileged” upbringing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-fetterman-calls-fracking-stain-pennsylvania-laments-own-privileged-life-old-reddit-posts

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
July 20, 2022 10:54 am

He sounds like a real idiot.

CoRev
July 20, 2022 9:33 am

Nick Stokes, this question is for you. I posed it at WUWT in the hopes you would see and respond. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/20/wind-power-fail-texas-heatwave-triggers-record-fossil-fuel-demand/#comment-3559147

“It’s simple arithmetic, on a daily basis solar generated electricity can never fulfill peak demand. Peak demand occurs ~6PM when even on the longest sunlight day solar generated electricity in well started on the down slope.Every day before and after solar generated output is further down that slope. Worse, many, many days sunset is earlier than when peak demand occurs providing zero or near zero electricity to fulfill peak demand.
This article shows us that wind power, on an annual basis, usually is diminished during annualized peak demand.
As Eric so well stated: “How many more times does this have to happen, how many Texans have to die, before Texan politicians accept they backed the wrong horse?””

Reply to  CoRev
July 20, 2022 3:06 pm

Solar alone does not have to fulfill peak demand. We have a large and varied grid. Even i that Texas incident, it was primarily gas0-fired stations that failed in the freeze.

CoRev
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 4:31 pm

Nick, stop deflecting. I’ll put you in the can’t refute category. The opening sentence was: “It’s simple arithmetic, on a daily basis solar generated electricity can never fulfill peak demand.”

BTW, that large and varied grid is supported by fossil fuels. Why are we adding solar to a grid if it can NEVER fulfill demand?

Fossil fueled generators do not need renewables. Renewables DO NEED fossil fuels.

Reply to  CoRev
July 20, 2022 6:10 pm

“Why are we adding solar to a grid if it can NEVER fulfill demand?”
You save on emissions. But more persuasive for some is that you save hugely on cost of fuel. Same with wind.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2022 9:39 pm

” But more persuasive for some is that you save hugely on cost of fuel . Same with wind ” …….. Wind indeed ………Virtually all the states and countries that have implemented renewable energy mandates – namely Denmark , the United Kingdom , South Australia , California and of course Victoria under Labor – have experienced soaring energy costs passed on to consumers ……Affluent green left elites do not have to worry about expensive energy prices though

CoRev
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 21, 2022 4:46 am

Nick, the implication of your comment re: saving is that renewables lower energy prices.

Reality says otherwise, as Stuart Hamish has shown.

You also claim there is a saving on emissions. When the full costs are included in both, I suspect, that savings is dramatically reduced. Fossil fueled generation sources can exist and be sized to fulfill demand. Solar- NEVER. Wind will also need backups to meet demand.

So renewables ALWAYS NEED backup(s) which currently are not included in their full prices. Fossil fueled generators DO NOT NEED renewables.

Show us the truth of your statements.

John Hultquist
July 20, 2022 10:08 am
Gary Pearse
July 20, 2022 1:44 pm

They do realize that “fracking” has been employed on conventional oil and gas reservoirs and water wells
since The 1860s? The industry doesn’t broadcast the fact, so citizens and their lawyers were happily left in the dark, but almost all conventional O&G use it. It’s lumped in with “finishing”.

https://aoghs.org/technology/hydraulic-fracturing/

Until hydraulic fracturing was invented in 1949, the method used was called torpedoing a well using explosives (nitro) which was dangerous to practitioners and sometimes damaging to the well. A later development, was to fill the well lower part of the well before exploding. They found the force delivered through the water to give better results – clearly this was a precursor to hydraulic fracturing. Torpedoing wells actually continued til the 1980s.

Funny, no ones waterwells were damaged or polluted until the shale revolution signalled that peak oil was pushed off at least half a century and fracking came to be known.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 22, 2022 9:14 am

These aren’t yo’ daddy’s fracs. Slurry volumes orders of magnitude higher than historic, into more laterals in more stages in more wells. Unmitigable frac hitting between wells. Whole counties trashed by what gets left behind. A whole naturally occurring radioactive material problem that didn’t exist before. Earthquake swarms from disposal injection rates into the antique haz waste disposal wells many times higher than historic (or what those wells were designed to accept). Trumpian YUGE, unsustainable CAPEX required, especially given the fact that shale development was largely dependent on not replacing service equipment being used up. Exponential increases in (freely assumed) asset retirement costs for thousands of high angle, hard to re-enter laterals that were constructed in the first place with no thought to how to practically plug them out.

Thank The Imaginary Guy In The Sky that the whole house of cards is finally falling down..

Gary Pearse
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 22, 2022 3:21 pm

First, I recognize the empty-headed, enviro-misanthropian, neomarxy literature you rely on for your layman easy-peasy postmodern research. There is a sea of this out there and it’s easy to spot the amateur knowledge on the subject (I published an industry services book on the Hydraulic frac sand industry) and followed some of the law suits in Pennsylvania on fracking.

One of the main evidentiary points made by plaintiffs is groundwater maximum depth is about 800m and fracking is virtually all below twice that depth and commonly 2500-3000m down. Fracturing outside of the target formation would be a technical and economical costly failure.

“Thank The Imaginary Guy In The Sky that the whole house of cards is finally falling down..”

Something very big IS falling down before your eyes. It’s already taken out a number world leaders. I leave what this big thing is for your homework. Judging by the continuing flow pathetic doom papers still flowing out of our intellectually downsized universities, you will be excused if you fail to notice.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 22, 2022 6:26 pm

NONE of your post has anything to do with what I posted.

“I published an industry services book on the Hydraulic frac sand industry.”

Link please? As an adult lifelong petroleum engineer, I would like a look. Maybe you’re one of those who lead the biz to shift from strong frac sand to the cheaper, more friable Texas brown. Just another desperate, counterproductive cost saving measures the shalers went to to try and slow the $ bleeding.

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Mikehig
July 21, 2022 10:16 am

That constitutional ban on fracking might have some unintended consequences.
Aiui conventional oil and gas wells use fracking to open up flow channels once the well reaches the target zone; it’s been normal practise for decades.
So, unless the ban is clearly written to proscribe the combination of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing used in shale wells, they may have banned ALL oil and gas drilling.

Andy Pattullo
July 21, 2022 5:13 pm

It is easy to be proud of immensely bad decisions when one works in a fact-free fantasy world.

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