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Steve Case
July 15, 2022 2:20 am

And they have 81 million Biden votes to prove it.

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HotScot
Reply to  Steve Case
July 15, 2022 2:50 am

I have encountered several rabidly pro Democrat supporters on ‘right wing’ social media like Gettr/Gab/Parler recently. Very aggressive, and I have never encountered them before.

Looks like campaigns have been mobilised pre mid term.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 10:51 am

I wonder how much a Democrat troll gets paid nowadays?

Gunga Din
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 15, 2022 12:04 pm

I don’t know how much they get paid but I’m willing to bet that the “useful idiots” among them don’t realize the cost.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 15, 2022 2:02 pm

30 pieces of silver. Price was set a long time ago.

Bill
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 9:11 pm

“Right Wing” is a Marxist propaganda phrase to denigrate anyone who disagrees with them. This phrase isn’t who sits on which side of the king, rather it is a description of ideas that rests on a sliding political scale between totalitarianism and anarchy. Conservatives should vigilantly resist using propaganda phrases invented and promulgated by Marxists!

Ron Long
July 15, 2022 2:28 am

Kalifornia has quietly admitted that they are now facing a solar panel disposal problem. Starting 25 years ago they subsidized roof-top solar panel installation, and 25 years is the normal life-time of these panels. When they lose efficiency and need replacing (or abandoning) they can’t be thrown in the usual garbage dump, due leachable toxic metals. The defunct solar panels then must go into special garbage dumps with special liners and monitors, which Kalifornia does not have anywhere near enough. I paraphrase an article I read on the internet.

HotScot
Reply to  Ron Long
July 15, 2022 2:53 am

Reality sucks. But the left will twist, turn and lie as usual to convince people their policies are working.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Ron Long
July 15, 2022 3:31 am

Ron,
It is easy to poke sticks at concepts that you do not like, like masses of solar panel junk. The step of asserting health problems from their leached waste is harder. In my geochem days, cadmium was regarded as pretty hard to mobilise and we did not work with selenium, but personally I never warmed to recent claims of harm from ‘toxins’ like these. Even that old whipping boy, lead Pb, is not near the problem that general alarmism claims. I even avoid the label of toxin, for several reasons. One is from Paracelsus centuries ago who noted that all things are poisons for the poison comes from the dose. Another is that hospitals are not full of toxicity cases – they are rather rare, even for demonised elements like mercury Hg. Finally history already has cases of activism stirring up fears that never happened, like the US government scientists who fabricated a non-event being an epidemic of human cancers from man made chemicals.
Wake me when someone goes to hospital with cadmium poisoning from old solar panels. Geoff S

meiggs
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 15, 2022 3:47 am

Ditto coal ash!

Old Retired Guy
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 15, 2022 4:53 am

But in California everything is a toxic chemical, just read their public notices. They’ve created their own headache.

lee riffee
Reply to  Old Retired Guy
July 15, 2022 7:44 am

How true….so many consumer products these days are labeled with the ominous sounding warning “this product contains substances known to cause cancer in California”. Gee, but only in California? Or does everything cause cancer in California?

Disputin
Reply to  lee riffee
July 15, 2022 8:19 am

You’re right the second time. Everything.

Diogenese
Reply to  lee riffee
July 17, 2022 10:30 am

California is special , you can get cancer from living there ( mostly brain/ intelligence cancer )

TonyG
Reply to  Old Retired Guy
July 15, 2022 12:29 pm

“The State of California is known to the State of California to cause cancer”

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 15, 2022 9:40 am

It has been my experience that those who become rabid supporters of banning ‘to

Gunga Din
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 15, 2022 12:18 pm

I think the last part of your comment got cut off?
All I see is:
” It has been my experience that those who become rabid supporters of banning ‘to “

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 15, 2022 9:55 am

As a kid, I found globs of petroleum tar along the railway tracks below the spigots of tank cars. I broke a piece off one and chewed it, spitting out saliva at the beginning and found I had a gum that I could chew for hours. I decided to go into business! I broke up the globs into small pieces that I sold to neighborhood kids for a penny or two and when word got around, kids from other streets came to me and bought larger pieces to break up and sell.

We also played with mercury and mecurichrome or iodine was put on scrapes and cuts. We gargled with iodine diluted with water for sore throats. I found a thick puck of lead in the ditch with a piece of harness attached that had been a weight for lightly restraining a delivery horse (milk, bread, ice and junkdealer pickup). I melted and cast this lead in the house furnace in the basement a dozen times.

Yeah, it’s probably not good for me but here I am in my 80s.

Fran
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 15, 2022 11:09 am

I grew up with DDT sprayed on the walls every year – still here and healthy

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Fran
July 15, 2022 11:25 am

Winnipeg used to fog their streets with a mixture of DDT and fuel oil. I was pleasantly surprised to see fogging for mosquitoes this year in a resort in Dominican Republic. They had had a bad time with with dengue and Zika a couple of years ago.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 28, 2022 1:35 pm

We found it fun to pore a beaker of Benzene on an unsuspecting fellow student’s lab report. No harm done.

Ron Long
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 15, 2022 9:57 am

Geoff, I agree that the poison is in the dose, and this is also the idea of “hormesis”. The problem I cite is a regulatory one in Kalifornia, wherein they must follow their own rules or the EPA will give them a stern lecture, or something.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Ron Long
July 28, 2022 1:36 pm

NLT at work. There is no lower threshold of California regulations that is not harmful.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 15, 2022 2:02 pm

Mad as a hatter,
Minamata disease
Match girl disease
Toxic jaundice
In the 2nd century BC the Greek botanist Nicander described the colic and paralysis seen in lead-poisoned people

Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 15, 2022 2:34 pm

Have we ever put 14 million solar panels in the ground before? Can’t help but think the results could be sketchy.

Dennis G. Sandberg
Reply to  James Schrumpf
July 16, 2022 8:26 am

but 140 million is beyond sketchy.

Dennis G. Sandberg
Reply to  James Schrumpf
July 16, 2022 8:34 am

Copy:
At least 92.7 billion solar panels are in use throughout the world today. 
Comment: Because of the momentum this gross insanity has, there is no doubt we’ll get to 200 billion in the next 10 years. In less than fifty years we’ll have 200 billion solar panels leaching into the environment. Don’t take the “recyclable” nonsense seriously. It costs 3x more to recycle then simply manufacture new, so it’s not going to happen. N2N, natural gas to nuclear.

Mac
Reply to  Ron Long
July 15, 2022 4:05 am

I read sometime back that Japan has over 750 tons of solar panels that have been discarded. Don’t know how true.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Mac
July 15, 2022 6:10 am

Probably in the bottom of the ocean.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
July 15, 2022 12:19 pm

If they’re at the bottom of the ocean, they’d be just as useful.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Mac
July 15, 2022 9:25 am

They can be recycled by dissolving in acid, just like the chemicals were extracted from the rare earths to start with. There is a bit of a cost problem due to to the low concentration in the pulverized panel material. This will undoubtedly be overcome by gov’t subsidies.

Dennis G. Sandberg
Reply to  DMacKenzie
July 16, 2022 8:41 am

Dream on. We have thousands of abandoned wind turbines flopping in the breeze here in environmental Kalifornia. Government isn’t into renewable cleanup. It doesn’t buy enough votes, poor return on “investment”.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Dennis G. Sandberg
July 16, 2022 3:41 pm

yeah, i left off the /sarc

Diogenese
Reply to  Ron Long
July 17, 2022 10:28 am

Stack them up outside city hall Sacramento .

Gordo
July 15, 2022 2:29 am

It is cold in the Sth Hemisphere….like really cold. Nth Queensland has shivered through some of it’s lowest temperatures ever, SE Qld has had the coldest start to winter since 1904, and when I flew out of Christchurch (South Island NZ) the other day, the plane was de-iced twice, (-5c) and the snow on the Sth Alps was incredible. Still beautiful days here in Cairns, but the MSM is silent on what is truly a remarkably cold winter to date.
No surprise of course, but it does illustrate the extent to which these “journalists” are captured.

HotScot
Reply to  Gordo
July 15, 2022 2:57 am

It’s all in hand as far as the alarmist’s are concerned. The UK is heading for some nice summer weather which is, of course, being promoted as extreme by the MET office. The number 40ºC is being bandied about by some MSM but I expect we might hit 32ºC for a couple of days over the weekend or early next week.

The damage will be done though. Everyone will believe the weather to be truly extreme whilst the MET office fails to admit they were wrong.

It’s not about the facts, it’s about the propaganda.

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 3:40 am

You’re trying to sound cool by downplaying it, but don’t blame the Met Office. It’s the various models(GFS, etc) which are predicting unusual heat.

Monday and Tuesday will almost certainly be 2 very hot days, with 35 and above over a large area, and a more than 50% chance of a new UK record (currently 38.7)

meiggs
Reply to  Richard Barraclough
July 15, 2022 3:52 am

only 50% chance after supposed doubling of CO2, I thought it was 100% certain that things should be hotter now but they are not, wad up wid dat?

HotScot
Reply to  Richard Barraclough
July 15, 2022 5:58 am

The MET aren’t forced to use the models.

Where will the “new UK record” be measured? How long will it last? And will it have any impact whatsoever on global temperatures?

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 6:21 am

No, of course it doesn’t affect global temperatures, but it’s an intriguing weather story – or at least it will be if it comes about.

Equally intriguing is the extreme level of panic being generated in advance. I caught a glimpse of the news earlier, and they were warning that the possible consequences could include death, damage to infrastructure, power failures, transport disruption, and a host of others. No mention of locusts – not yet, anyway.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Richard Barraclough
July 15, 2022 8:26 am

As an antidote to, particularly, the BBC’s panic mongering the UK i newspaper yesterday (14th July) ran a small piece which said

“Figures compiled by the Office of National Statistics indicate that “climate related mortality” – deaths from extreme cold or heat – has fallen by around 27,000 a year since 2001. Fewer deaths during warmer winters have more than offset rising mortality rates during heatwaves”

Quoting the ONS directly as saying “We found relatively little increase in deaths caused by warmer weather and a reduction in deaths caused by cold winters, leading to a net decrease in deaths”

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 6:24 am

In order to forecast the weather, you have to use a model of some sort – you can’t just look outside, because it hasn’t happened yet

Drake
Reply to  Richard Barraclough
July 15, 2022 11:47 am

But it appears the MET office has picked crappy models, and has failed to attempt to adjust the models.

Why would that be?

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  Drake
July 16, 2022 1:49 am

Most of the press releases you see about the weather forecast are based on 2 forecasting models, the American one (Global Forecast System – or GFS), and the European one (European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecast – or ECMWF)..

They each use slightly different techniques, and as a result can differ from each other, especially a few days ahead. They also run the same forecast many times, allowing for the small uncertainties in the initial conditions. This can also lead to wide divergence in the output a few days ahead.

When the two models are in broad agreement, and the many different runs don’t diverge too much, then the forecast is considered reasonably reliable. In fact this extreme hot spell has been in the forecast for about a week, though the peak heat has been pushed back from Sunday to Monday or Tuesday.

As Matt G has commented in another part of this thread, they are both forecasting 850hPa temperatures of around 25 degrees on Monday night, which will translate into surface temperatures of around 38, if the sun is out and the lapse rate is normal.

Perhaps you can tell us what it is you don’t like about the particular modelling techniques of the Met Office – or, as I suspect, perhaps you can’t?

H.R.
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 4:04 am

OMG! Extremely nice summer weather. It’s worse than we thought!

Notanacademic
Reply to  H.R.
July 15, 2022 3:18 pm

Indeed, the radio station I was listening to in the car actually said “red alert weather warning ” and declared it a national emergency. A few days of good summer weather is now a national emergency but spring for the most part never happened and nothing said. Fears of NHS being overwhelmed because summer has arrived. I think on average 20 times more people die from cold each year and with utility prices going through the roof it could well be worse this winter, even if that gets a mention there will be no red alerts no national emergency. Just freeze to death quietly please.

alastair gray
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 4:58 am

I’ll bet you are old enough to remember the halcyon days of “Phew what a scorcher” 1976. The hottest UK summer evvah and didn’t we all enjoy it Even with a drought it was a record year for cereal production. hosepipe ban meant we let the lawns dry out and sat in the shade drinking fizzy lager (pre-prosecco days). A Minister of Drought was appointed by the nanny state of the time. Next day the rains came and we settled into a dismal autumn followed by the winter of discontent. Nary a word of global warming then because we were ice age bound

HotScot
Reply to  alastair gray
July 15, 2022 6:01 am

1976, the year I joined Glasgow Police as a 19 year old.

Once a month we did a 7 day night shift (should that be a seven night night shift) and I remember only one week warm enough that we were driven to shirt sleeves.

Never had to take my tunic off on night shift ever again in my service.

alastair gray
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 6:09 am

I was in London then and it was hot. Maybe the Azores blocking high did not extend up to the Costa Scotia. In Aberdeen, my home town they probably shivered in the usual sea haar

HotScot
Reply to  alastair gray
July 15, 2022 6:04 pm

I spent the year before I joined the Police in Aberdeen. A rented flat in Bon Accord Street.

Man it could get effing cold.

Kim Swain
Reply to  alastair gray
July 15, 2022 10:46 am

The summer of 1976 was the end of the second year of my Physics degree course – fortunately no exams and no beer shortage so the best of times. We did have difficulty finding potatoes and managed only to get a bag that were more like squash balls and could only be eaten thoroughly mashed. Later that summer, I had a holiday job on a farm – glorious weather.

Matt G
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 12:54 pm

Over the top reactions in this situation are usuall in the media, but the models are showing around 24c at 850mb over a wide area of England and Wales covering Monday and Tuesday. There is a very strong agreement leading to virtually 100% probability.

Temperatures in this situation with clear sunny skies will lead to records being broken in places. Exaggerations are often, but this for a change is actually a reality. Still, I won’t acknowledge the recent Met Office con-artists change of a heatwave definition from 5 to 3 days. There will be no heat wave because the heat won’t last 5 days. It will be over on Wednesday with much cooler temperatures.

This region has not had a proper heatwave yet this year, but look like getting 2 or 3 very hot days.

niceguy
Reply to  HotScot
July 16, 2022 11:25 pm

One month ago exactly, the 17th of June, someone told me the temp in France was 37 °C. It clearly was not.
Also that same person told me the fan (NOT A/C) was hugely helping. Obviously at internal body temp, the fan would not help!!!
I refrained from making fun of these utterly ridiculous statements.
Of course that person wasn’t trying to manipulate me. It was a private conversation.
The person was manipulated.

meiggs
Reply to  Gordo
July 15, 2022 3:50 am

Weather here in East TN just like it was in the 60’s…but…according to TWC CO2 is causing super poison ivy…and things are getting worser due to climate change…I can tell you things are the same as they ever were…real nice.

Fran
Reply to  Gordo
July 15, 2022 10:38 am

I commented too that winter has been cold and happily wet here in Chile. It even snowed in the Atacama yesterday! We might beat the drought, at least for now.

Steve Attack
Reply to  Fran
July 15, 2022 6:34 pm

🙂 Not a lot of people know that

July 15, 2022 2:30 am

Virginia’s offshore wind proposal threatens endangered whales
By David Wojick
https://www.cfact.org/2022/07/13/virginias-offshore-wind-proposal-threatens-endangered-whales/
A good NEPA case that could constrain OSW.

The beginning: “The massive offshore wind (OSW) project proposed by Dominion Energy may pose a serious threat to the endangered North Atlantic Right Whale population. A comprehensive environmental impact assessment is required to determine the extent of this threat and the mitigation it might require. The same is true for the other proposed Mid-Atlantic OSW projects.

The North Atlantic Right Whale is reported to be the world’s most endangered large whale, with an estimated population of just a few hundred critters. They winter off of Florida and Georgia, but summer off New England. So they migrate through the coastal waters off of Virginia twice a year, including that year’s baby whales. They can grow to over 50 feet in length and weigh more than 70 tons. Protecting them is a major challenge.

For background see https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/species/north-atlantic-right-whale

Phase one of the huge proposed Virginia/Dominion OSW project looks to occupy something like 400 square miles. Pause two might bump that up to 800 or 1,000 square miles and the proposed federal lease area for OSW is even greater, much greater in fact.

The obvious monster question is how will all this development affect the severely endangered Right Whale population? Answering this question must be central to the project’s required Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) under NEPA. This is Federal land.”

Lots more follows.

meiggs
Reply to  David Wojick
July 15, 2022 3:57 am

Birds don’t matter, whales don’t matter, even Michael Moore did not matter…it,s ok to lie and kill for a good cause just ask ol’ Al Gore…

Reply to  meiggs
July 15, 2022 5:47 am

In this case it will be up to the Federal Courts, which are pretty conservative. Wind versus save the whales.

Drake
Reply to  David Wojick
July 15, 2022 11:54 am

There is a whole industry of lawyers funded by leftist environmental funds provided by large trusts like Gates, Hinds and Rockefeller to fight any sensible energy development, but they DO NOT fight wind or solar.

So, WHO is going to sue for the whales since the EPA will NOT.

Reply to  Drake
July 15, 2022 12:22 pm

EPA has nothing to do with it. The whale protection lawsuits are in progress. The fun thing about NEPA is you do not have to win, just make the suit last forever. All of the questions I have raised have to be answered, showing no harm likely, before the massive OSW project can continue.

Drake
Reply to  David Wojick
July 15, 2022 11:58 am

On a positive note, once the bird choppers/whale blockers are built, there will be power lines all over the ocean floor that can be used to power oil rigs once off shore oil leases are issued under a Republican congress and president.

The fact that the bird choppers/whale stoppers were allowed to be built is such a “pristine” ocean environment with high shipping traffic, there will be no excuse to not allow drilling.

Reply to  Drake
July 15, 2022 12:23 pm

They have not been allowed to be built. They may never be built. Green law meets green action.

Dave Fair
Reply to  David Wojick
July 15, 2022 7:39 pm

Its as much fun watching this as it is watching one endangered species eating another.

HotScot
July 15, 2022 2:47 am

Europe and the UK’s NetZero pledges lie in tatters following Joe Biden’s game playing with US Oil companies and OPEC as well as Russia’s intervention into Ukraine.

Without wanting to get into the rights and wrongs of the Ukraine situation, how do people seriously see this playing out?

e.g. will the wests climate pledges merely be delayed or will they quietly be kicked into the long grass as time marches on?

Putin has declared his intention to destroy the western elite’s drive for globalism and a one world government. How realistic is that? (Please, no howling about him being a dictator/tyrant – Russian are free to travel the world and there’s no queues of refugees at the US southern border or paddling across the English Channel on RIBS so no one is being held in Russia against their will).

Is the west seriously facing food shortages in the short term and how will that play out in the long term? Is this a serious attempt to force us all to eat bugs and Gates’ artificial meat?

How will ESG be impacted by all this if investment returns are affected by, for example, the farmers in Holland and the political changes in Sri Lanka and Italy? I’ll add the UK as well as most of the candidates for the job of PM have expressed overt opposition to NetZero and we can’t ignore the US Mid Terms.

In the short term, how is some degree of equilibrium, political and practical, re established?

Sorry, a lot there.

griff
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 3:32 am

Net zero is continuing at a faster rate in the EU…

There are temporary measures for this year/winter, but all states expect to fill the hole from Russian gas by quicker roll out of net zero.

UK is the same (pending any change by new PM)

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 4:39 am

Lol!! … and we have always been at war with Eastasia right grifter?

alastair gray
Reply to  Climate believer
July 15, 2022 5:05 am

Don’t knock Griff. He is bashing out the same mantra that the political classes of UK espouse. Listen to what he says to understand what the official line is. Then aim your arguments against valid targets.
Noteable that not one of our prime ministerial candidates has a word to say about cost of living, Energy shortage, or impending famine. We will have to see the globalist model in complete tatters with real pin for billions to shift the mindset of the brain politic

Climate believer
Reply to  alastair gray
July 15, 2022 5:59 am

Alastair, don’t assume what you don’t know.

Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 4:45 am

NetZero is a proven failure due to intermittency and diffusivity – the wind does not blow and the Sun does not shine 24/7 (surprise!) and these ridiculous green power schemes take up too much land. Told you so 20 years ago.

CORRECT CLIMATE AND ENERGY PREDICTIONS FROM 2002
We published in 2002:
1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
I published on September 1, 2002:
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
 
I updated my global cooling prediction in 2013:
3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”

UAH_LT_1979_thru_June_2022_v6.jpg (749×432) (drroyspencer.com)

I say global cooling started either Feb2016 or Feb2020. Temperature extremes are exacerbated by divergences of the Polar Vortex towards the equator. Extreme cold events are being recorded all over the world.
https://electroverse.net/category/extreme-weather/
https://electroverse.net/category/crop-loss/

“SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT”
http://correctpredictions.ca/
“The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific and technical competence.”
Our predictions on Climate and Covid are infinitely more accurate than mainstream narratives.

AN OPEN LETTER TO BARONESS VERMA
British Undersecretary for Energy and Climate Change, 31Oct2013
By Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.
[excerpt]
So here is my real concern:
IF the Sun does indeed drive temperature, as I suspect, Baroness Verma, then you and your colleagues on both sides of the House may have brewed the perfect storm.
You are claiming that global cooling will NOT happen, AND you have crippled your energy systems with excessive reliance on ineffective grid-connected “green energy”
schemes.
I suggest that global cooling probably WILL happen within the next decade or sooner, and Britain will get colder.
I also suggest that the IPCC and the Met Office have NO track record of successful
prediction (or “projection”) of global temperature and thus have no scientific
credibility.
I suggest that Winter deaths will increase in the UK as cooling progresses.
I suggest that Excess Winter Mortality, the British rate of which is about double the rate in the Scandinavian countries, should provide an estimate of this unfolding tragedy.

COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER
by Joseph D’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf
 
THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 27, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/

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Reply to  Allan MacRae
July 15, 2022 4:59 pm

Evidence proving the Covid-19 scam keeps pouring in – doctors are now calling it deliberate “Depopulation”.

I published on 21Mar2020 that the Covid-19 lockdowns were unjustified; six months later world-class experts published the exact same conclusions in the Great Barrington Declaration. We only needed to over-protect the very elderly and infirm.

How did I know this, six months before world experts published? Because it was obvious, even then, based on evidence and logic. I am an engineer, not a doctor or epidemiologist, and I only publish when I am 100% certain.

On 8Jan2021 I wrote our politicians and media in North America that the Covid-19 vaccines were toxic and ineffective and should not be deployed. That was also correct. Here I relied on world-class doctors like Dr Kory, Malone, McCullough, and more.

WE KNEW ALL THIS BEFORE THE VAX HARM WAS DONE BUT WERE IGNORED.

There were NO excess deaths in Alberta or Canada to 1July2020 and the average age of death from Covid-19 was 82 – that means there was NO pandemic – just an illness that was only dangerous to the very elderly and infirm. The lockdowns and vaccines were never justified – they were a scam from the beginning. Follow the money.

For proof see
SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT October 20, 2021. Update July 8, 2022
https://correctpredictions.ca/
“The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific and technical competence.”
Our scientific predictions on both Climate and Covid are infinitely more accurate than the mainstream narratives, which have been false and baselessly alarmist to date.

DON’T COVID-19 VAXX YOUR KIDS – OR YOURSELF! HIGHLY TOXIC AND INEFFECTIVE!

Reply to  Allan MacRae
July 16, 2022 4:23 am

David Martin is quite intelligent, imo, and he does his homework – I don’t dismiss his hypothesis.

I’ve had success “curing” Covid-19 vaccine bleeding injuries with Ivermectin + etc. Small sample, 100% success 2-3 weeks at 12mg/day.

I correctly called the Covid-19 scam on 21Mar2020, ~6 days into the Lockdown in Alberta. Almost nobody believed me -> Darwin Awards.

I remain unvaxxed and never had Covid-19. I was never anti-vax before early 2020. Now no rational person should trust the system.

Will 100 Million Die From the COVID Vax by 2028?
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola July 16, 2022
 
STORY AT-A-GLANCE

  • David Martin, Ph.D., presents evidence that COVID-19 injections are not vaccines, but bioweapons that are being used as a form of genocide across the global population
  • The spike protein that the COVID-19 shots manufacture is a known biologic agent of concern
  • Martin believes the number that may die may have been revealed back in 2011, when the World Health Organization announced their “decade of vaccination”
  • The objective for the decade of vaccination was a population reduction of 15% globally, which would be about 700 million people dead; in the U.S., this may amount to between 75 million and 100 million people dying from COVID-19 shots
  • When asked what timeframe these people may die in, Martin suggested “there’s a lot of economic reasons why people hope that it’s between now and 2028”
  • The projected illiquidity of the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs by 2028 suggests the “fewer people who are recipients of these programs, the better;” Martin believes this may be why people 65 and over were targeted with COVID-19 shots first

Video: 700 Million Worldwide Will Die from CV19 Vax by 2028 – Dr. David Martin (rumble.com)

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Reply to  Allan MacRae
July 16, 2022 1:44 pm

Important Video: 700 Million Worldwide Will Die from CV19 Vax by 2028 – Dr. David Martin (rumble.com)

Evidence proving the Covid-19 scam keeps pouring in…

Scissor
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 4:46 am

The Black Night transitions to net zero.

Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 5:17 am

The UK will be the Sri Lanka of Net Naught…the world appreciates those who go first into the void…..however foolish they be.

Redge
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 5:23 am

You really don’t have a clue what you are talking about, do you mate?

Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 2:37 pm

Temporary measures such as hundreds of thousands freezing to death in the dark?

Fraizer
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 3:00 pm

“…Net zero is continuing at a faster rate in the EU…”

Yes, they are screaming towards net zero energy for everyone.
Net Zero Energy = Net Zero Industry = Net Zero Jobs.
And now they are trying to add Net Zero Food to the mix just as a deal sweetener.

Pablo
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 3:40 am

“Without wanting to get into the rights and wrongs of the Ukraine situation, how do people seriously see this playing out?”

These people seem to getting a lot right on how the West”s sanctions against Russia are backfiring.

https://theduran.com

Mac
Reply to  Pablo
July 15, 2022 4:15 am

My ex wife lives in Tula Russia. Putin’s war has hurt the Russian people through significantly rising inflation and of course the young Russian men who have died in the war.

huls
Reply to  Mac
July 15, 2022 5:31 am

Propaganda. There isn’t even a mobilisation in Russia at the moment. The ruble is as strong as it has ever been and the whole world except the US and a few NATO lackies are buying cheap top-grade Russian gas and oil.
Ukraine is cannon foddering it’s soldiers at such a rate that criminals are now set free to fight. What could possibly go wrong?
Wanna check in with your ex-wive again or is she really only living in your imagination?

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Climate believer
Reply to  Pablo
July 15, 2022 6:14 am

“West”s sanctions against Russia are backfiring.”

Of course they are, why would our incompetent leaders suddenly get something right?

They get it wrong over and over again, this time will be no different.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Climate believer
July 15, 2022 11:11 am

Good point. Our leaders are a bunch of damn fools.

Drake
Reply to  Climate believer
July 15, 2022 12:09 pm

The only “sanctions” against Russia that would work would be Gen 4 fighters for Ukraine, and the “west” won’t even give them old Migs that Poland offered so Ukraine does not have enough fighters to mount a serious air offensive.

Putin’s nuclear threat did the trick. Either call the bluff of quit sending arms to Ukraine so that the death and destruction will stop.

meiggs
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 4:16 am

In the short term as in the long there is nothing to “re-establish” you are simply seeing a calculated step in a multi-generational plan. Yes, a few of the sheep are restless and folks like Trump and now Putin occasionally slow the grasp of the globalist. Trump stood not a chance because he led a county of MSM brainwashed morons with no sense of history and no culture other than hollywood. Putin’s case is a little different, even though the slaughter of 30 million Russians back in the day of the “greatest (sell out) generation” is fading from living memory the Russians know what the globalist really is and does. Putin’s resistance may preserve his culture and nation but I doubt he has any reason to care what happens to the west…so he’s happy to watch the west cut its own throat with the helping hand of the global MSM…let the west win the Darwin award, will improve the gene pool in the long run.

Climate believer
Reply to  meiggs
July 15, 2022 11:34 am

I hear you, but you probably don’t have any skin in the game.

If members of your family died to protect the values of your culture you might be less inclined to throw in the towel.

meiggs
Reply to  Climate believer
July 16, 2022 3:31 am

The went to war and died for an evil cause that they did not understand…the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I got plenty of skin in the game not to mention a life savings that the globalist has her greedy eyes on and they are doing a good job at wrecking my career too. USA has no culture other than what hollywood pours into the little heads. If you grew up without TV you can see it, the king is wearing no clothes.

Derg
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 5:29 am

HotScot I have enjoyed your posts. The problem I see are most or maybe all the institutions of government are run by these people. They believe more government is the answer. Their kids all go to the same schools. They all go to the same parties. Few work in private enterprise. You can elect a Trump type but he will be thwarted by these people. I could be totally wrong.

hiskorr
Reply to  Derg
July 15, 2022 5:59 am

“”I could be totally wrong.”

Unlikely!

HotScot
Reply to  Derg
July 15, 2022 6:30 am

I can’t entirely disagree with you other than to say America woke up in 2016. I don’t buy that it suddenly fell back asleep in 2020.

Meanwhile, Sri Lanka has crashed thanks to climate policies, Dutch farmers could topple Mark Rutte, the WEF leader of the country, on climate policies and Dragi, a WEF member, in Italy has been forced to offer his resignation.

The UK is choosing a new PM and the policy none of the candidates are running on is NetZero. Other than outright condemnation by two candidates its the unuttered elephant in the room, likely to be kicked into the long grass.

Germany is up the creek and Putin has nicked its paddle. Will he reinstate the gas supplies following ‘essential maintenance’ or will that maintenance hit problems, perhaps until the EU/US and UK stop providing assistance to Ukraine?

Winter brings the US Mid-Terms and very likely energy ‘rationing’ blackouts and more price increases across Europe and the UK.

The fat lady is belting out her number and shows no sign of stopping soon and there will be more globalist casualties.

I suspect the northern hemisphere will emerge from the coming winter, blinking, bloodied and bruised, but with an understanding that fossil fuels are here to stay.

Thank you for enjoying my post’s.

Mr.
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 7:02 am

👍

Drake
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 12:23 pm

Recent news release of a republican “shadow government” being developed so that the next Republican president will have a list of appointees to put an end to the leftists in the bureaucracy in DC shortly after the new president is inaugurated.

I am heartened by this forward thinking development.

As per my earlier posts on the subject, the entire slate of political appointees, including cabinet member, all commissions. etc., DOJ attorneys and all federal judicial openings MUST be confirmed on a single vote in the Senate in the minutes after the oath of office is sworn to.

All previous political appointees MUST be barred from entering their offices and all electronic devices must be confiscated. The congress MUST notify all previous appointees of the Democrat administration that any deletion of data, whipping of phones, etc. will be prosecuted to the fullest.

Remember that the Clinton connected lawyers of the Muller probe ALL reformatted their phones to obstruct an investigation into their actions. Oh, they ALL claimed they forgot their passwords on their I devices and repeatedly entered the wrong password causing the deleting of the records.

PMHinSC
Reply to  HotScot
July 15, 2022 8:31 am

I am going to ignore Yogi Berra’s warning that “it’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”

Q: “will the wests climate pledges merely be delayed or will they quietly be kicked into the long grass as time marches on?”
A: There is enough money, political capital, and inertia behind climate pledges that they won’t go away with a whimper. Sufficient numbers of people are being hurt by current situations around the globe that this could be an inflection point. I’ll make a swag of 5 years before there is serious push back against climate alarmism and pledges.

Q: “Putin has declared his intention to destroy the western elite’s drive for globalism and a one world government. How realistic is that?”
A: The elites have been defeated in their quest for globalism; they may know it but don’t have the decency to just … go away.

Q: Is the west seriously facing food shortages in the short term and how will that play out in the long term?”
A: This feeds (pun intended) the “inflection point discussed above.

Q: “How will ESG be impacted by all this…”
A: ESG will, over time and with lack of fertilizer, wither on the vine.

Q: In the short term, how is some degree of equilibrium, political and practical, re established?
A: The same way climate establishes equilibrium; natural processes, in this case political.

Am I the only one foolish enough to actually answer these questions! Yogi, Where art thou?

Reply to  PMHinSC
July 15, 2022 10:22 am

Yogi Berra never said that
I’ve been a big fan since the 1960s.

PMHinSC
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 15, 2022 12:52 pm

Thank you for the correction: Wikipedia credits this quote to Robert Storm Petersen.
I found multiple sources attributing it to Yogi; including a ncbi.nlm.nih.gov source. In this case I am going to believe Wiki (and Richard Greene) over nih.gov. Hope this is the only error in my previous comment.
My apologies to Mr. Petersen.

Reply to  PMHinSC
July 16, 2022 6:32 am

Yogi did say:
“I really didn’t say everything I said”.

Galileo9
July 15, 2022 2:50 am

I think this moto should be pinned to any AGW website just to remind contributers of why they shouldn’t get angry if someone challenges their post.

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meiggs
Reply to  Galileo9
July 15, 2022 4:18 am

The believers don’t want debate, does that mean they believe in a lie and know it?

Galileo9
Reply to  meiggs
July 15, 2022 4:51 am

That’s the other Moto: If you believe in science then (Ray Norris) It means you’ve misunderstood the question. I am a scientist, but I don’t “believe” in science or evidence. Science isn’t about belief. It’s about seeing what works, and trying to understand what the evidence is telling you. “Belief” implies an acceptance of something even though there is no evidence of it. Science means always testing, questioning, and doubting stuff, even stuff you thought was correct. In science, you never “know” anything, but you adopt those things which are supported by evidence and which seem to work – until contrary evidence comes along. And that includes what I’ve just written.

Quelgeek
Reply to  Galileo9
July 15, 2022 5:04 am

I agree with all you say but sometimes belief is convenient. For example, I believe in the rules of logic. I see no profit in doubting them (at the moment).

Mr.
Reply to  Galileo9
July 15, 2022 7:17 am

So the biggest challenge as I see it at the moment is to get those who “believe” that utility scale 100% wind + solar is possible, to accept demonstrated reality that such is not not credible.

I mean, even remote mining operations and outback cattle stations have been using wind + solar for decades, but they still have to fire up those industrial scale diesel generators at regular intervals.

With the transported cost of diesel fuel as it is, I’m sure if those remote enterprises could get by on wind & solar alone, they would have jumped at the chance 20 years ago.

What am I missing?

Griff?

HotScot
Reply to  Mr.
July 15, 2022 8:39 am

You are spot on.

Like any good technology, the first to exploit it is the commercial sector. It goes unseen by governments until it’s a raging success. The internet itself is sufficient evidence for that. Universally ignored by governments until big businesses like Amazon were succeeding.

Governments were sold wind and solar as a solution to a problem commerce wasn’t, and still isn’t, interested in. They virtue signal but often because of government grants to help them put solar panels on the roofs of supermarkets etc.

Yet another example of government choosing technology winners and getting it badly wrong.

The UK government has a rich history of this, not least their failed NHS IT solution which cost billions and never worked, and similarly, their ‘joined up’ Inland Revenue computer system which never worked.

As always, it was revolution instead of evolution, because governments have lots of Taxpayers money to spend.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Mr.
July 15, 2022 8:45 am

Griff will be along soon to tell you that the Guardian ran a ‘Long Read’ Report,14th July, entitled “Shipping’s new wave. Global trade depends almost entirely on huge, dirty, dangerous container ships. What would it take to bring back wind-powered cargo?”

So in a few years all our shipping trade will be in sail powered ships of course.

roaddog
Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 15, 2022 11:14 am

And we think we have supply chain problems now. Of course, we are going to benefit from the re-shoring or at least resurgence of domestic manufacturing of nearly everything currently sourced from Europe. Given the energy crisis there, they soon won’t be competitive at manufacturing anything.

Lowcountry boy
Reply to  Galileo9
July 15, 2022 5:48 am

And every “woke” university.

griff
July 15, 2022 3:31 am

So another record heatwave in Europe, glaciers collapsing, alpine snow at record low level in Austria, new Arctic circle high temp record for Norway, following record heatwave across Med setting new high temp records for Greece and whole of Europe last year; 3 huge floods in Australia following worse floods in 60 years last year, following 3 truly huge flood events in China, Germany and China last year; early record heatwave in India… a dozen or more noteworthy extreme weather events elsewhere this year and more last year (Canadian heatwave, for example).

but, apparently, nothing to see here as far as Watts readers are concerned.

Derg
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 3:37 am

Did you eat yellow snow?

Galileo9
Reply to  Derg
July 15, 2022 5:05 am

“Australia following worse floods in 60 years last year” in 2019 Australia was complaining about bush fires. Sounds like normal weather phenomenon (dry years followed by wet years followed by colder years followed by hot/wet/cold/dry). All due to local weather events and/or bad management.

fretslider
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 3:45 am

Hey griff, you said it’s 6% wetter, right?

Where is that extra wetness?

“So another record heatwave in Europe,”

“Uruguay records coldest, driest June in decades”

Argentina too. In fact, much of South America is feeling the chill, but that isn’t the right message, is it?

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Climate believer
Reply to  fretslider
July 15, 2022 5:02 am

Oh… that must be “climate chaos”, it’s all going to hell in a hand cart don’t you know?

/sarc (for the sarcastically hard of hearing)

David Kamakaris
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 3:45 am

Griff, how long is your record?

Redge
Reply to  David Kamakaris
July 15, 2022 5:24 am

It’s stuck

Richard Page
Reply to  David Kamakaris
July 15, 2022 9:03 am

So far we’ve seen about a 3 day memory with bits he’s read elsewhere; nothing stays in his head for very long, he’s truly a bear of little brain.

meiggs
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 4:19 am

Normal GSM weather fergit the MSM weather, it’s propaganda

Climate believer
Reply to  meiggs
July 15, 2022 5:06 am

The griftard is propaganda, it’s his/her raison d’être.

Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 4:55 am

“A disaster of Biblical proportions… Old Testament… Real Wrath of God type stuff… Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies… Rivers and seas boiling… Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes… The dead rising from the grave…
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, Mass Hysteria!”
 
Ghostbusters Orig Movie scene-Old Testament type stuff…dogs & cats living together, mass hysteria! – YouTube

HotScot
Reply to  Allan MacRae
July 15, 2022 8:40 am

He does it for attention. He’s been around here long enough to know he’ll be corrected every time he post’s.

Quelgeek
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 5:08 am

Do you notice that all the records you cite are qualified by location? In a chaotic system where measured values show large excursions there is always going to be some new extreme somewhere even if nothing important has actually changed. You are looking at it wrong.

Scissor
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 5:11 am

Records never fall do they?

Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 5:24 am

Griffter left out flooding in far eastern Ruzzia. All places on earth have been both colder and hotter at some time in the past…there are no temp records being set today. Weather happens….get over it.

Redge
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 5:29 am

All these weather events don’t reveal the reason for the weather.

There is still no proof CO2 is the cause

If you have real proof, not conjecture, post it.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 8:55 am

Griff did you know that a little while back Europe experienced the worst drought in it’s history, a 1 in 1000 year megadrought and heatwave in which 11 months passed with blistering temperatures and hardly any rain. Temperatures were 5 – 6 degrees C above the seasonal median average.

I’m sure you remember it – 1540

Meab
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 9:33 am

griffter, The all-time high in Greece, 118 F, was set in 1977.

You aren’t going to gain converts to your climate alarmism religion by trying to erase old records.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 11:19 am

“but, apparently, nothing to see here as far as Watts readers are concerned.”

Nothing that can be connected to CO2.

Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 2:38 pm

I can make up events, too. You got cites for those?

John Power
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 2:51 pm

‘but, apparently, nothing to see here as far as Watts readers are concerned.’
 
Well, what do you want us to see here, Griff? What do you think we are supposed to see in all these sensational anecdotes that you have presented without any scientific context? What point are you trying to make with them? You haven’t said!
 
You should not expect us to read your mind.

Fraizer
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 3:24 pm

“…but, apparently, nothing to see here as far as Watts readers are concerned…”

Oh, we see you and point and laugh.

fretslider
July 15, 2022 3:36 am

There’s been a lot of take-up from the mindhead people – the psychologists, psychiatrists, counsellors etc – on the deliberately generated ‘climate anxiety’ epidemic inflicted on the indoctrinated young. As one of the main purveyors of doom, the BBC says…

“Climate change anxiety: Young people ‘feel hopeless’

I wonder why?

“Young people who feel “hopeless and paralysed” by fears about climate change need help and support, mental health experts have said.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57555760

Perhaps the BBC should cut back on the hourly – yes practically hourly – reminders of the perils of climate change? Or maybe the schools could return to teaching science as per the scientific method, rather than how one feels – including the gender nonsense.

But the climate change scare is just one angle. Youth and growing up are being pathologised.

“Barely a week passes now without so-called experts talking up the crisis of children’s mental health. Yet their only solution to the perceived problem is to further medicalise childhood, transforming the normal emotional problems of growing up into an ever-expanding range of mental-health conditions. And as a result, more and more young people are being turned into patients or potential patients.

in April 2019, months before the pandemic emerged, a survey revealed that 80 per cent of teachers thought that the mental health of pupils was ‘at crisis point’.

Confused or insecure children are diagnosed as depressed or traumatised. Energetic or disruptive youngsters are presumed to be suffering from ‘attention deficit hyperactivity disorder’. Children who really hate going to school have ‘school phobia’. Pupils worried about exams are diagnosed as suffering from ‘exam stress’. And so on. In other words, children’s emotional responses to everyday experiences are being rebranded in therapeutic language.”

adult society finds it easier to medicalise children, and shove Valium down their throats, than to teach them how to deal with the many challenges they are likely to encounter during their lives. This is a recipe for disaster. It is rendering young people passive and undermining their capacity to deal with the problems that confront them. “

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/07/15/growing-up-is-not-a-mental-health-condition/

Well, if 80% of teachers thought that the mental health of pupils was ‘at crisis point’ before the pandemic, that worry soon evaporated when teachers refused to open up the schools.

Every child has a school place, not every child has all the tech needed to study at home. So much for their equity.

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meiggs
Reply to  fretslider
July 15, 2022 4:26 am

On top of being raised on MSM which is enough to screw up anyone’s head it’s a simple fact that life is just too easy physically due to the benefits of CO2 which leads to lack of exercise and over population which leads to masses of brainwashed morons gorging on the crap they’re fed by the MSM…it’s a cycle…and all the fault of elements # 6 & 8…

Redge
Reply to  fretslider
July 15, 2022 5:30 am

Well said

michel
Reply to  fretslider
July 15, 2022 10:56 am

Yes, British schools now appear to be teaching children that they may be one of 100 or more genders and have to decide which. Also that if they are not exactly conforming to the sex roles of the 1950’s they probably need puberty blockers and sex change surgery. Also that the most important thing about them is which race they belong to – the concept of race being as incoherent as that of gender.

In all this, basic skills that previous generations assumed to be the point of education are not only not taught, they are positively disparaged.

And it all ends in the assumption of huge debts for a so called degree course which is useless to both the graduate and to potential employers.

And they wonder why they are depressed! Its because they have been subjected to what is essentially child abuse from the age of 5 till they leave college. The lucky ones don’t go to college. Or if they do, its to acquire a profession.

Editor
July 15, 2022 3:58 am

We all know about extracting supposed climate data from bristle cone pines. In the UK we have 6000 year old yew trees. Does anyone know of similar studies carried out here?

fretslider
Reply to  Tonyb
July 15, 2022 4:17 am

They survived the predilection of the English archers… a six-foot bow made of yew, the English longbow had an effective range of up to 350 yards. Popular at venues like Agincourt etc

No climate studies, as such.

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roaddog
Reply to  fretslider
July 15, 2022 11:17 am

350 yards? Amazing.

Drake
Reply to  fretslider
July 15, 2022 2:12 pm

Thanks for sending me on searching the longbow. Learned much, including 350 yards for a “flight” arrow would probably be an average for medieval British longbow men. Also that skeletons of longbow men are distinguishable by the effects of the training, and that the training by necessity started in childhood..

I really love the range of knowledge of commenters on this site. Most know what they post about, others know things that just aren’t true.

The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.
Ronald Reagan

Gunga Din
Reply to  Tonyb
July 15, 2022 1:13 pm

I declare, “They all died 3000 years ago.”
The debate is over.
I will ignore everything contrary to what I declared.
(After all, they don’t make hockey sticks out of yew.)
PS “Yo Ma” told me so. Don’t dis Yo Ma!

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Dave Fair
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 15, 2022 8:15 pm

Yo Yo Ma? Do they make cellos out of yew?

Simonsays
July 15, 2022 5:21 am

I see Gavin from realclimate has updated his basic explanation of the C02 problem. Reading this it all seems very plausible, I know this probably should be dismantled by one the experts but are there any problems that really stand out.

https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2022/07/the-cos2-problem-in-six-easy-steps-2022-update/

David Dibbell
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 7:01 am

Thank you for this link. I just went and read it all. My sense of the stand-out problem is the misplaced emphasis on the atmosphere as a static radiative absorber and emitter as experienced at the surface looking toward space. The atmosphere is also the compressible working fluid of its own dynamic heat engine operation, which changes everything about where to expect the heat energy from GHG “forcing” to end up. Both the CERES and GOES-East observations from space show the incomplete and misleading sense of things from Gavin Schmidt, the IPCC, and the like. The satellite sensors observe the planet as a huge array of highly variable emitter/reflector elements. This implies it is all highly self-regulating as a dynamic response to absorbed energy. The large-grid, discrete-layer, step-iterated, parameter-tuned models are “blind” in this respect, and therefore have no diagnostic or predictive authority concerning GHGs.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/16/wuwt-contest-runner-up-professional-nasa-knew-better-nasa_knew/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/09/climate-models-have-not-exaggerated-global-warming-except-when-they-do/#comment-3513911

Mr.
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 7:30 am

Gavin at last mentions CLOUDS –

“The different assumptions about clouds, their properties and the spatial heterogeneity mean that the global mean forcing is uncertain by about 10%.”

That of course, is another stew of ASSUMPTIONS.

Martin Mason
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 7:44 am

Simon, that is standard GW industry science but so easily disproven. Temp rise has never preceded CO2 increase and we have had periods where CO concentration exceeded 7000 ppm and yet there were ice ages. The Trenberth radiation balance is also incorrect and hence the models are wrong. I Keep a log of the points that prove that significant MMCC can’t happen. I have a log of points that prove it is happening and that log is empty.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Martin Mason
July 15, 2022 10:47 am

CO2 lags temperature by a quarter cycle on all time scales per ice core data.

Analysis of ice core data from Antarctica by Indermühle et al. (GRL, vol. 27, p. 735, 2000), who find that CO2 lags behind the temperature by 1200±700 years.

http://www.sciencebits.com/files/pictures/climate/CO2TCorr.jpg

There are many examples of studies finding lags, a few examples include:

  • Indermühle et al. (GRL, vol. 27, p. 735, 2000), who find that CO2 lags behind the temperature by 1200±700 years, using Antarctic ice-cores between 60 and 20 kyr before present (see figure).
  • Fischer et al. (Science, vol 283, p. 1712, 1999) reported a time lag 600±400 yr during early de-glacial changes in the last 3 glacial–interglacial transitions.
  • Siegenthaler et al. (Science, vol. 310, p. 1313, 2005) find a best lag of 1900 years in the Antarctic data.
  • Monnin et al. (Science vol 291, 112, 2001) find that the start of the CO2 increase in the beginning of the last interglacial lagged the start of the temperature increase by 800 years.

Clearly, the correlation and lags unequivocally demonstrate that the temperature drives changes in the atmospheric CO2 content. 

(Source: http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth/ (emphases mine))

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Reply to  Janice Moore
July 16, 2022 6:37 am

You are describing natural climate changes at a time when there were no manmade causes of climate changes.

The subject of “climate change” today is manmade climate changes.

Conclusions about natural causes of climate change are irrelevant to the subject of manmade climate change.

Both happen at the same time and are different.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 16, 2022 10:57 am

You are mistaken. Human CO2 emissions in the 20th and 21st centuries are taken into account.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
July 16, 2022 11:23 am

… natural CO2 emissions traces the integral of temperature quite well. This analysis along with the analysis of what is emitted by humans is a serious question unanswered by AGW theories.

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In other words, human CO2 emissions have gone up GREATLY, but, the total atmospheric CO2 trend remains UNCHANGED by those emissions.

(Source: https://climateilluminated.com/CO2_facts/CO2_science/25_CO2_temp_trend.html )

David Coe
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 7:51 am
HotScot
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 8:49 am

We know that science is more often wrong than right, otherwise there would be no need for experiments.

We also know that the editor of the Lancet condemned 50% of peer reviewed medical science to be junk. Climate science isn’t nearly as exacting as medical science so I expect the number of credible, peer reviewed climate studies to be far less than 50% correct.

In other words, tossing a coin would have more chance of being correct than all peer reviewed climate science.

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JCM
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 9:22 am

Schmidt only discusses radiative forcing, using the same concepts known for decades.

The assumptions, not mentioned, are in the feedback parameter λ. Here an increasingly positive feedback is assumed. This, derived from magical thinking. This is how they get to their huge ECS values exceeding 3K per doubling of CO2.

We know that the proportionality between surface temperature and emission temperature β is 255/288 = 0.885. This represents total system gain in all sky. All feedback processes are included. This is a tuned parameter based on observations. It is a constant of proportionality based on total system forcing.

We can calculate λ as = −(4σβ^4Ts^-3)

σ = Stefan Boltzmann constant
β = proportionality constant 0.885
Ts = Surface Temperature

Evaluating λ, with our constant of proportionality, yields a value of -3.3 W m-2 K-1

This means for every W m-2 of forcing, surface temperature must increase by -1/λ = 0.33K.

This represents the total system feedback in all sky for every Watt m-2 forcing from all sources.

Assuming a common radiative forcing value by doubling of CO2, such as Schmidt’s value = approximately 3.9 W m-2

-3.9 / λ = 1.18K.

Approximately 1.2K is the natural equilibrium for doubling of CO2 based on AR6 type forcing values; the same presented by Schmidt. There is no discussion in is blog about how they arrive at the probability density functions for ECS ranging from 2-6K. He only discusses the radiative forcing.

Using the saturated Happer and Wijngaarden value of 3 W m-2 yields a global warming of

-3 W m-2 / -3.3 W m-2 K-1 = 0.9K per doubling.

There is nothing special about an additional forcing, from any source. There is no reason to think the proportionality constant will suddenly go out of whack.

There is no evidence to suggest an ECS value higher than 1.2K, using their very own methods. H&W yield a value closer to 0.9K.

Using Schmidt’s total radiative forcing value of 3.3 W m-2 to the end of 2019 yields a total surface temperature increase to 2019 of – 3.3 W m-2 / -3.3 W m-2 K-1 = 1K.

Using our constant of proportionality 255/288 = 0.885 results in an estimated temperature rise to 2019 since preindustrial of 1K.

RickWill
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 4:09 pm

Once anyone puts a silly diagram showing back radiation and getting into details on absorption spectra you know they do not have a clue how energy is regulated in Earth’s climate system.

The simplest way to appreciate the energy balance is to look at the actual ocean temperature response to solar EMR – see attached. There are two clear inflection points. One at 4C and the other at 30C.

The lower point is due to sea ice formation. It flattens the response. Sea ice acts as an insulator so water can exist under a very thin layer of ice that is insulating it thereby lowering its effective radiating temperature.

The 30C point is precise and the result of deep convection running out of steam. The only locations that get above 30C are near land masses where the deep convection over water gets disrupted by the higher convective potential over warmer land.

The atmosphere is brightest when the ocean surface reaches 30C. It is its dullest at 26C and brightens again at lower temperature where the water vapour picked up at 30C gets condensed/solidified as it drops out on the global circulation.

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DMacKenzie
Reply to  RickWill
July 16, 2022 3:27 pm

Rick,
An understanding of convection without an understanding of (Thot^4-TCold^4) where the
(-Tcold^4) term is the”back radiation” part, is like an aeronautical engineer that says he can’t calculate lift.
The Thot^4 part is actually critical to your viewpoint, in that the warm 30 C ocean surface radiates much more IR to outer space than a cool surface, plus has much higher evaporation rate (which uses up all the available sun’s energy on a clear day as the surface temp warms…lets say to around 30 C…a day or a week later the water vapor produces clouds and rain, cooling the surface again.
You need to go out of your way to understand back radiation if you are going to put up a good debate against a warmist.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Simonsays
July 15, 2022 8:50 pm

Empirical estimates of ECS seem to be settling out at about 1.7 ℃/doubling CO2. UN IPCC CliSciFi climate models’ average of about 3 ℃/doubling CO2 is derived from averaging a range of a little less than 2 up to 5+ or beyond for individual models. Schmidt likes to throw out a smokescreen of verbiage.

Keep in mind that the radiative response of CO2 is a logarithmic function that has decreasing effect for each incremental increase. Going from 1850’s 280 ppm (the end of the Little Ice Age) to 560 ppm has the same radiative effect as going from 400 ppm to 800 ppm. Whatever the ECS actually is gives an estimated ultimate temperature increase out to something greater than 100 years (ECS takes a century or so to effectuate) based on the CO2 doubling from 1850 to about 2070 at the current rate of CO2 increases.

With about a 1 ℃ increase from 1850 to date we have had no detrimental impacts to our climate. It is clear that, no matter if the ECS value is less than 2 or about 3, it means nothing as a practical matter to the climate in 2070 or over 100 years thereafter.

RickWill
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 15, 2022 9:02 pm

Empirical estimates of ECS seem to be settling out at about 1.7 ℃/doubling CO2. 

No it doesn’t.

If I look only at the Southern Ocean, CO2 correlation is negative. If I look at only the Equator, CO2 correlation is zero.

The Northern Hemisphere has been getting more sunlight since orbital perihelion last occurred before 22nd December. Now out to 4th January. If you allow for increasing solar intensity in the NH, CO2 does zip there as well.

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DMacKenzie
Reply to  Simonsays
July 16, 2022 8:43 am

Alas poor Gavin gives away his agenda in the first sentence ”…increasing CO2 is a significant problem…”
His numbers are actually an excellent compilation of the pretty standard calculations that climate scientists presently believe to be mostly correct, and worthy of reading.
However it focuses on CO2, but the Earth’s climate is controlled by water vapor and its consequential cloud cover and albedo change.
Gavin does mention 50% IR absorption by water vapor and 25% by cloud…but ignores the SW effect of .8 local cloud albedo versus .1 ocean albedo.
Cloud cover-albedo is what really controls the planet temperature as it varies locally from zero to 100% with about 65% planetary average…plus the warmer it is, the faster low level more reflective clouds form. And the warmer the surface temperature due to increased sunlight striking it, the faster water evaporates to form cooling reflective cloud cover somewhere else later that day or week….
It’s the water cycle, not CO2. All the .7 degrees per CO2 doubling does (which can be calculated from a meter long tube of pure CO2 in the lab) is change the elevation at which clouds form by a hundred meters or so.

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joe x
July 15, 2022 5:25 am

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/wind-turbine-fail-texas-heat-knocks-power-weathermans-live-broadcast-video/

The wind turbines are not producing enough energy right now, according to ERCOT.

“Wind generation is currently generating significantly less than what it historically generated in this time period,” ERCOT said in a press release. “Current projections show wind generation coming in less than 10 percent of its capacity.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  joe x
July 15, 2022 11:37 am

I would be very nervous if I were living in Texas right now. I would feel like I was waiting for the hammer to drop.

Is Texas going to be our Green New Deal crashtest dummy? There’s a good chance.

Texas politicians have not secured their electrical grid, even though they have had ample warning since the February 2021, arctic freeze.

July 15, 2022 5:37 am

Hey Griff

If you have any useful contacts, could you please arrange for some of that NH heat to be channelled to the SH. Its more than a bit chilly in the land down under.

Last time I checked, Australia was running at Nett -80% because its emissions of about 500 MtCO2e are being offset by natural sinks of 900 MtCO2e and it would be good to get back to nett 0 and warm up.

Reply to  rowjay
July 15, 2022 6:16 am

and Griff

If you want to be brought up to date on the flooding in the Sydney, Australia area and and its historical significance, check out this link.

griff
Reply to  rowjay
July 15, 2022 7:25 am

Interesting…

but look, this year you’ve had two incidences of months of rainfall in days…

It ain’t the frequency, but the intensity. Oh, and the frequency.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 7:47 am

You forgot the 6% wetness increase.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 11:46 am

“It [weather being evidence of human-caused climate change] ain’t the frequency, but the intensity. Oh, and the frequency.”

The actual data says we are not experiencing unprecedented weather today. All the weather you describe has happened numerous times in the past, and this kind of weather is not happening more frequently, or more intensely today than in the past.

You are blowing weather events out of proportion and wrongly claiming they are unique to today, in your efforts to demonize CO2.

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 4:01 pm

Never seen before!
If it doesn’t stop, said griffingraft, they’ll all be rooned!

http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html

Climate believer
Reply to  rowjay
July 15, 2022 10:58 am

The grifter doesn’t do history, or facts just propaganda.

griff
Reply to  rowjay
July 15, 2022 7:23 am

I’ll get a few insulated boxes and ship it out parcel post…

fretslider
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 8:48 am

I’ll get a few insulated boxes and ship it out parcel post…

Some of the things you want us to stop doing, griff….

Using packaging – save the trees, avoid plastics etc

Shipping/post – what about that carbon footprint? Diesel etc

If you’re going to promote a renewable driven utopia, at least try to be consistent about it.

Mr.
July 15, 2022 6:47 am

All the world needs to learn from California what a HUGE problem they are facing by rushing headlong into rooftop solar –

https://www.foxnews.com/media/la-times-op-ed-warns-about-environmental-danger-solar-transition

Bottom line –

SOLAR PANELS ARE THE NEW ASBESTOS

griff
July 15, 2022 7:23 am

‘British electricity has been helping keep the lights on in mainland Europe in recent months as the country has become a net exporter of power for the first time since 2017.

Data from the National Grid shows that Britain has been piping over electricity to France, Belgium and the Netherlands via undersea cables each month since April. 
The electricity shortfall in Europe has been put down to an unusual shutdown in French nuclear power stations, with half of its 56 reactors offline in May for maintenance, refueling or due to unexpected problems such as corrosion.’ (Daily Mail)

I knew those HVDC lines would prove useful…

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 7:51 am

A link would prove useful.

michel
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 15, 2022 9:38 am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11016807/British-electricity-helps-lights-Europe-UK-net-exporter-time-2017.html

The FT explains rather more. Its the gas (just in case anyone thought it was wind and solar):

The trend is largely driven by France having its lowest nuclear output for more than 10 years as half of the country’s 56 reactors, which form the backbone of the country’s electricity system, were offline in May for refuelling or maintenance, as well as unexpected problems such as corrosion at older plants.

British gas-fired power stations have meanwhile taken advantage of increased cargoes of liquefied natural gas arriving at the country’s ports this year to generate more electricity for export.

The difficulties in France have pushed power prices in the country to record highs, “which has led to the regular occurrence of [Great Britain] to France exports”, said Joe Camish, lead analyst at the consultancy Cornwall Insight.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  michel
July 15, 2022 10:20 am

Thanks Michel, I knew the Guardian Readers Initiative For Fearmongering wouldn’t answer. So, wind and solar are underperforming as usual, but the “producers” get paid regardless and we have to pay for gas backup, ensuring we pay twice for energy even before “carbon” taxes and subsidies. And now we produce enough from gas to export? Shouldn’t us UK consumers be getting a refund?

Climate believer
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 15, 2022 11:42 am

“Guardian Readers Initiative For Fearmongering.”

Ha ha! very good +10

Mr.
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 9:19 am

They’re “piping” electricity now?
What sort of pipes can electrons travel through?
Not metal ones I assume?

Drake
Reply to  Mr.
July 15, 2022 2:27 pm

I like your comment, however in the 1930s when they built the Hoover dam, they used copper “pipes” to carry high voltage high currents from the generators to the transformers before sending the power off to primarily California via normal conductors.

The hollow cables were used to take advantage of the skin effect of electrical current.

Looking up skin effect in wiki, it appears that pipes are still in use in high current situations.

Drake
Reply to  Mr.
July 15, 2022 2:30 pm

Added note:

The wiki skin effect report mentions that using DC eliminates the skin effect, so if Griff is right and the transmissions are via DC, then they would NOT be piping, just regular conductors.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Drake
July 15, 2022 4:10 pm

There’s the flaw…

“if Griff is right”

(not gonna happen)

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
July 15, 2022 10:54 am

… and your point is?

OK S.
July 15, 2022 8:27 am

I wonder how the Baby Ice is doing this year? It’s been warm here and Lucia doesn’t hold her contest anymore.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/13/watching-the-2007-historic-low-sea-ice-flow-out-of-the-arctic-sea/

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 15, 2022 8:29 am
Janice Moore
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 15, 2022 11:37 am

Hear! Hear!

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Listen. People. Getting a bit tired of hearing that I’m about to go extinct. Kinda starts to get to ya after awhile, ya know? I. Am. Here. And I am NOT GOING EXTINCT!!!! (grrrr)

Quelgeek
July 15, 2022 8:30 am

I was talking to a midwife here in the UK midlands last night. She mentioned that she is regularly prescribing vitamin-D suppliments. It seems many of her patients are afraid to go out in the sunlight and when they do they slather on SPF-50 sunscreen to the extent it is having health-effects.

Richard Page
Reply to  Quelgeek
July 15, 2022 9:08 am

Bloody hell that’s grim. The last time I had sunscreen on I was about 13 or 14 I think – about 40 years ago!

Fran
Reply to  Quelgeek
July 15, 2022 11:41 am

In addition, in high latitudes, UVB which in necessary to produce vitamin D in the skin is only available in the middle of the day. Virtually all advice is to stay out of the sun from 11-2. UVA which burns is there all day, but weaker earlier or later in the day.

https://ucsd.tv/shows/Vitamin-D-Sunshine-Optimal-Health-Putting-it-all-Together-29077

Drake
Reply to  Quelgeek
July 15, 2022 2:43 pm

I have NEVER used sunscreen. Hat, yes, long sleeves when working outside at 8600 feet elevation, yes.

Just went to a dermatologist for the first time at 66 years of age. He found nothing of concern.

I believe I read somewhere that in Sidney Aus. the office workers have MUCH higher incidence of skin cancer than the lifeguards. Lifeguards have LOTS of vitamin D.

The only fear I have from sun exposure is possible future cataracts which I will probably have eventually if I live long enough.

Peta of Newark
July 15, 2022 8:44 am

There is A God and he/she/her/it/whatever has certainly got a sense of humour.
(From that basic observation doesn’t eat wheat and is thus uproariously healthy)

BBC Quote:”As harvest time looms for the world’s main wheat producers, countries that import wheat are hoping for a bumper global crop so that record high prices might fall. But analysis on the health of crops around the world, shared with the BBC, suggests that’s unlikely, and that Russia could be the only big winner.

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Drake
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 15, 2022 2:48 pm

Well timed arson in Russia could probably counter the apparent purposeful increase in planting of wheat there.

Just a suggestion to Ukraine, since Russia is much to decrease Ukraine production, including steeling their tractors, etc.

HOJO
July 15, 2022 8:52 am

As I research or read most anything on line the words , climate change, somehow makes it way into the story. When and how did this narrative takeover become so polluted stream media. The brainwashing has been epic and how do you fight back against such a strong lie

RickWill
Reply to  HOJO
July 15, 2022 4:26 pm

The brainwashing has been epic and how do you fight back against such a strong lie

The simplest way is to point out open oceans cannot exceed 30C. All climate models fail this basic test.

And, if they believe CO2 is causing global warming, they have to explain how it cools the Southern Ocean, warms the Northern Hemisphere while leaving the Equator unaffected.


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HOJO
July 15, 2022 9:38 am

So i typed into BING
the question why is climate change all we talk about every day and after going 9 pages deep I finally found an article not pushing the we are all going to die message. This whole thing is completely out of control and it could cause us all to do some things we will regret for the rest of our lives. I want to go in front of the bank with a sign saying CLIMATE CHANGE IS BULLS**T AND THEY WANT US DEAD

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Fran
July 15, 2022 10:37 am

Happy to report that in the south of the world (Chile), we received plenty of rain and snow these past weeks; many of our reservoirs are almost at 100% and now there’s no precipitation deficit from Concepción to the south. Santiago is still in deficit but not as much as last year, and if the trend continues, we might beat the drought this year. At last! And the Andes look beautiful in white! It’s been surprising as La Niña supposedly meant we’d have another dry year. Of course we’d need more winters like this to fill the groundwaters and keep the rivers flowing, but nonethess it’s been a welcoming respite

roaddog
July 15, 2022 11:11 am
Tom Abbott
July 15, 2022 11:58 am

Are there any Republican politicians who will declare that the basic claim that CO2 can cause the Earth’s climate to change has not been scientifically established?

It hasn’t been established you know. When will Republicans say so? Ever?

joe x
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 15, 2022 12:49 pm

tom, all I ever here from these public servants is an all the above approach to energy production. and then they go away and support the decommissioning of coal, nuclear and hydro in my state of mi. it is disgusting.

jeff corbin
July 15, 2022 12:48 pm

Science questions from layman are off topic . This is why I am using an open thread.

The attached Graphic is a sea surface study by a Danish Science institute (see citation below)

What I find interesting about the graphic is it demonstrates sea surface depressions as much of 80 CM around the England Sea Mounts, (submarine Volcano’s). This is my question, could the intrusion of magma into these submarine volcanos increase the mass to such a degree as to produce enough + gravitational variance to create these depression in sea level? Or am I seeing something else altogether. The associated question is, could the ambient heat produced by the magma in and under these submarine volcano’s be creating higher than average sea levels around the sea level depressions above the sea mounts? The larger question has to do the with relationship with sea level an gravitational variance. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Thanks!
———-

Sea Surface Height (SSH).

http://ocean.dmi.dk/remote_sensing/graphics/ssh.pngThe altimetry satellites Jason-1 and ENVISAT observe the height of the sea surface (SSH) for every 6-7 kilometer directly beneath the satellite. The accuracy of a single observation is better than 4 cm for the open ocean but for shelf and coastal areas like the North Sea and Baltic Sea, the errors on the observations are significantly higher. Several studies have been carried out at DMI to determine how to make best use of the near coastal satellite SSH observations. Specialized treatment has been applied to detide the satellite observations, to reference the satellite and the tide gauge observations and to use a local geoid in the region. The results of these studies show useful information can be extracted from the data with careful data processing and detiding. A multivariate regression model including both tide gauge and satellite observations has shown to perform similar to the storm surge models, in terms of determining the extreme sea level events.
…………………………………..
Contact: Jacob L. Højer
jlh@dmi.dk

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Rich Davis
Reply to  jeff corbin
July 15, 2022 4:32 pm

I will be interested to see what comments you get on this. My first thought is to question if it is real or just noise, but then my second thought is that gravity varies by location. 9.8m/s^2 is an average, not a constant, so that should have some effect.

RickWill
Reply to  jeff corbin
July 15, 2022 4:38 pm

Gravitational anomalies have long been used for detecting heavy mineral deposits. This introduces the concept:
https://study.com/academy/lesson/interpreting-gravity-anomalies-in-geophysics.html

I had not given thought to how such anomalies would impact on ocean surfaces.

Ocean surface depression could also be an indication of fluid flow effects. So if there are currents over an irregular ocean floor, then it will cause pressure differences to to dynamic pressure.

jeff corbin
July 15, 2022 1:04 pm

The first cause of all forest and brush fires is now the prima facie result climate change. . If you attempt to challenge the prima facie of climate change with actual proof, then you expose yourself as politically incorrect. So the propaganda has a double edge sword to convince and to expose opponents. In the media prima facie approach works because only geeks take the time to check the fact checkers. LOL.

bdgwx
July 15, 2022 1:39 pm

The following WUWT article (only 2 weeks old) was mocking a simulated forecast of 40C in England in 2050 for June 22nd.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/28/forecast-for-22nd-june-2050/

Yet here we are today and the UKMET published a real forecast of 40C not in 2050, but in 2022 for July 19th. Being off by 28 years isn’t exactly something to be proud of though.

https://twitter.com/SimonLeeWx/status/1547957062000267267

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jeff corbin
Reply to  bdgwx
July 15, 2022 1:57 pm

Right now the London forecast for July 19th is 37.78 x, it may not break the Cambridge 2019 record of 38.4 c, so you in for a bit of a reprieve LOL. Nasty heatwaves are not new for the UK…. and may be getting hotter due to urban sprawl. https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/from-the-archive-blog/2014/jul/18/heatwave-weather-summer-temperatures#:~:text=19%20August%201932%20(35.6C,89.6F)%20in%20the%20shade.

bdgwx
Reply to  jeff corbin
July 15, 2022 3:28 pm

I have my doubts that anywhere in the UK will reach 40C next week. Fortunately we don’t have to wait long to see in this case.

Richard Page
Reply to  bdgwx
July 16, 2022 2:54 am

Are we discussing actual temperatures or inner city temperatures with UHI effect on top of that? Even if central London reaches 40C, we all know the actual temperatures outside of those concrete canyons will be about 2-3C lower on average. Lets not get panicky, eh?

bdgwx
Reply to  Richard Page
July 16, 2022 7:16 am

40C anywhere. With or without UHI. BTW…the UHI effect is real. Don’t conflate it with the UHI bias which is a related, but different concept. The UHI bias is not in play here because gridding and averaging is not in play. The 40C I’m speaking of is for any observation from any station in the UK.

bdgwx
Reply to  bdgwx
July 19, 2022 4:41 pm

It turns out I was wrong. The UK reached 40.3 C.

RickWill
Reply to  bdgwx
July 15, 2022 4:53 pm

London is 500 years into a 10,000 year summer warming trend. April has had the largest increase in sunlight in the last 40 years but the temperature response is delayed by the thermal inertia of the water surrounding UK. The peak increase in sunlight is slowly moving toward July.

The flip side s that the cooler winters will result in snow accumulating in Europe and North America and that will eventually cool the whole Northern Hemisphere. Will be much cooler on the top of 2000m thick ice than the present land under it.

Current cycle of glaciation actually started about 500 years ago, the last time perihelion occurred before 22nd December ; now at 4th January. Perihelion will occur late July in 9,500 years from now. That is when London will have the most intense sunlight in the last 15,000 years.

CO2 is not causing NH summer warming. CO2 plays no direct role in Earth’s energy balance. Orbital precession dominates the millennium time scale trends.

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Editor
July 15, 2022 6:24 pm

On mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and myocarditis:

Myocarditis is a fairly rare side effect of vaccination and is often used as a reason not to vaccinate one’s children. There’s a fair amount of evidence that says that myocarditis is triggered by accidentally injecting the vaccine into a vein. If so, there’s a simple prevention called “aspiration” – when the needle is stuck in the arm, pull back on the plunger to see if blood enters the vaccine. If it does, the needle is in a vein.

Get the kids vaccinated, but ask for aspiration or not inserting the needle as deeply as is often done.

See my https://wermenh.com/covid-19/covid-myocarditis.html for much more info.

TonyG
Reply to  Ric Werme
July 17, 2022 9:04 am

“There’s a fair amount of evidence that says that myocarditis is triggered by accidentally injecting the vaccine into a vein.”

Wouldn’t that result in a similar rate of myocarditis regardless of what vaccine is being administered?

Geoff Sherrington
July 16, 2022 12:50 am

Re earlier discussion on metal toxicity, like Pb, mercury etc poisoning.
See above, around Ben Vorlich  July 15, 2022 2:02 pm

For decades, a leading global authority was Dr Allen Christophers, with whom I was fortunate to work on an Australian legal case.

http://dnacih.com/SILVA.htm

Allen drew a sharp distinction between large doses of heavy metals and very small doses. The latter seldom end up with hospitalization or death. I just did a Net search on US hospital Pb poisoning hospitalizations and did not find any. Instead there were numerous references to Pb toxicity based on measured levels of blood lead.
They were big on claims like this:

“What researchers have learned in recent years is that no level of lead is safe for children. Studies have even shown lead concentration in the blood as low as 2 micrograms per deciliter of blood (μg/dL) can lower IQ in children. And once children have blood lead levels of 5 μg/dL and above (what’s now considered lead poisoning), they can suffer severe neurological damage in the form of attention deficit and hyperactivity disorders.
In 2014, the CDC found that 4.2 percent of children test, or half a million, had elevated blood lead levels of 5 (μg/dL) or greater. But Eric Roberts, the lead author of the new paper in Pediatrics, and colleagues suspected this number was incomplete.”
1.2 million children in the US have lead poisoning. We’re only treating half of them. – Vox

Another search was for heavy metal poisoning cases. Results, no mention of heavy metals like Pb or Hg in the USA
Poison Statistics National Data 2020 | Poison Control

One might almost think that there are two classes of authors on poisons, those who measure harm and those who invent harm.

It is a scandal in itself, similar to the global warming scandal, where old white males like Dr Christophers, now deceased world expert, are ‘disappeared’.
Sic transit gloria mundi.

Geoff S

niceguy
July 16, 2022 9:50 pm

Latest news in the ever changing field of Dem legal philosophy:
Crossing state lines is no longer major no no.
In fact, it’s a basic right.

Women are not the property of their State, so they can travel between them for any reason they damn well please.

https://twitter.com/RepDeanPhillips/status/1548293372430802944

Just like that, state lines stopped being the ultimate frontiers and crossing these is no longer a taboo.

niceguy
July 18, 2022 8:34 pm

Lowering the grid voltage has an effect on consumption?
If so, does it increase the load?

Carlo, Monte
July 19, 2022 3:16 pm

gif test

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Matthew Schilling
July 26, 2022 8:12 am

I think Novak Djokovic should fly to Mexico, sneak across the border, catch a midnight Biden Flight to NYC area, and just show up at the US Open. And, he should pick a valid, active SSN at random and use it on the entry form.

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