Dutch Police Firing Live Ammo at an Anti-Climate Rule Protestor. Source Twitter, Fair Use, Low Resolution Image to Identify the Subject.

Dutch Police Shoot Live Ammo At Anti-Climate Rule Protestors

Essay by Eric Worrall

Thankfully no injuries reported – but Dutch authorities seem determined to meet their climate targets, even if this means crippling their farming sector, or shooting someone protesting their ruinous agricultural climate rules.

Watch: Police Open Fire on ‘Threatening’ Dutch Farmer Protest

KURT ZINDULKA
6 Jul 2022

Police in The Netherlands fired gunshots at Dutch farmers who were protesting the implementation of EU-based climate rules on the emissions of nitrogen that threaten the livelihoods of thousands.

On Tuesday evening, police fired what they said were warning and “targeted” shots at a farmer’s protest in Heerenveen in the north of the country. The Friesland police claimed a “threatening situation” had ensued after protesters allegedly tried to drive through the line of police and law enforcement vehicles, necessitating the use of firearms.

The incident, footage of which was widely shared on social media, did not result in any injuries, though three protesters were arrested and one tractor was hit with a bullet, the local De Telegraaf newspaper reported.

The National Criminal Investigation Service (Rijksrecherch) said that an investigation into the incident will be conducted as a result of officers discharging their weapons.

The use of force by the police was condemned by the Farmers’ protest group Agractie, which questioned if “people had to die first” before the government comes to the table to negotiate with the farmers, adding that the situation could have turned out much worse.

ACP police union representative Maarten Brink said that it was unclear from the footage posted on social media what had necessitated the firing of gunshots, saying police officers “never just grab” their weapons without reason.

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/07/06/watch-police-open-fire-on-threatening-dutch-farmer-protest/

The following is a twitter video of the incident (h/t Breitbart);

The police weren’t shooting into the air – the tractor was reportedly struck by gunfire.

I’m beyond disgusted by this act. Leaving aside the insanity of the Dutch government attacking food production during what threatens to be a very difficult year, the farmer protestor who was shot at did not appear to be threatening the lives of police or anyone else. Perhaps there are mitigating circumstances I’m unaware of, but this appears to be one of the most egregious acts of authoritarian state violence I have ever written about, perpetrated by those attempting to enforce the Netherlands’ lunatic nitrate fertiliser emissions cuts. It is only by luck that nobody died.

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July 7, 2022 2:20 am

This isn’t the first time the Dutch farmers have been protesting about these idiot rules. There was a big set of protests back in October 2019. The ordinary Dutch people supported the farmers then, and they need to again now. This incident may end up being a game-changer. As Eric says, it is an egregious act of authoritarian state violence.

Reply to  Neil Lock
July 7, 2022 10:14 am

I looked out the essay I wrote about the farmers’ protest of 2019, here it is:
http://www.honestcommonsense.co.uk/2019/10/ik-sta-achter-de-boeren.html

Luigi
Reply to  Neil Lock
July 7, 2022 11:16 pm

There will not be nay change until elections come and then, maybe in some countries, but I do not see The Netherland as one of these.

Rod Evans
July 7, 2022 2:22 am

The Great Reset cometh, and this is how they intend to achieve it.
By shooting farmers who are guilty of the heinous crime of…farming!

john harmsworth
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 7, 2022 11:38 am

Farmers need to get it through their thick heads that they are there to produce food, and if they can’t do that because of government regulations, then they should starve to reduce the demand. Why won’t they co-operate?

DonM
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 7, 2022 11:46 am

It wasn’t as simple as the fact that he was farming … he wasn’t. The Dutch don’t shoot kids for farming.

It appears as though he bypassed a traffic control stop. Per ACP police union representative Maarten Brink … Dutch “police officers “never just grab” their weapons without reason”.

The reason being that the kid was a farmer, in the act of bypassing a traffic control stop.

Totally different thing.

Elliot W
Reply to  DonM
July 7, 2022 12:51 pm

Sorry? You need a /sarc tag?

Rod Evans
Reply to  DonM
July 7, 2022 1:58 pm

Please tell me that is your idea of a joke comment…please..

DonM
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 7, 2022 3:16 pm

Dutch “police officers “never just grab” their weapons without reason”.

… apparently just about any reason will do (maybe there was a big bee on the tractor and they were just trying to protect the kid).

Duker
Reply to  DonM
July 7, 2022 11:48 pm

Other countries use road spikes…

DonM
Reply to  DonM
July 7, 2022 2:03 pm

(written as sarcasm toward authority.)

…totally different thing … but just as disgusting & illegal.

(also, watch the video again & watch the amped up cop after the shooting. he is not the kind of guy that should have access to any weapons in a stressful situation.)

(also note that the kid was simply following the same route of a tractor that went that way 15 seconds earlier)

MarkW
Reply to  DonM
July 7, 2022 5:49 pm

Are you saying that it is OK to shoot people who try to pass traffic stops?

DonM
Reply to  MarkW
July 8, 2022 10:38 am

No, not at all. Just saying it is a totally different rationalization.

  • shot at for farming
  • shot at for bypassing traffic control stops
  • not shot at … there was a bee… and we were distracted …
  • (official version) tractor drivers attempted to drive into officers and service vehicles

all four of the above rationalizations are not viable reasons to shoot at the tractor. After watching the video, all four reasons are equally ridiculous.

MarkH
Reply to  DonM
July 7, 2022 6:56 pm

This sort of thing will be coming to your country, where ever you are. Now is the time to talk to anyone that you know who is in the police, and implore them to not participate in any sort of action against the people who grow the food for their country.

huls
Reply to  DonM
July 8, 2022 5:46 am

Not true. There were multiple instances that night of outright bloodthirst from the police. Stopping traffic with drawn guns while shouting at the driver: move move or you’ll get killed, violently entering the tractor cabs with guns pointed at the drivers and directly to the side of the head.

These Nazi thugs are totally out of control as per the report of the UN rapporteur on Cruelty and torture.

To all Americans: please contact your government representatives to move to install sanctions against The Netherlands for countless violations of the Universal Declaration of Humans Rights and for violations of the anti-torture treaty.
Any respected democratic state cannot let this gruesome state terrorism against their own people, go unpunished.

We need help. please help us.

DonM
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 7, 2022 4:11 pm

The police comment about the shooting:

“At about 10:40 p.m., tractor drivers attempted to drive into officers and service vehicles. This happened at the entrance Mercurius/A32 in [Heerenveen]. A threatening situation arose. Warning shots were fired and targeted shots were fired,” Dutch police said in a statement.

That’s their story … how long will they stick with it?

Jeroen B.
July 7, 2022 2:25 am

The people arrested in this case have been released now, an investigation is underway … not holding my breath for anything other than a whitewash.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 7, 2022 11:27 am

The driver of the tractor was apparently a sixteen year old lad. In European law that means he was a child. The authorities opened live fire and shot the cab of a tractor being driven by a child and they think society will just let this go by….!!!

Truthbknown
Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 7, 2022 11:49 am

Tyrants cannot be dealt with, they can only be slaughtered! And We need to get to it!!

July 7, 2022 2:28 am

The problem is the public are electing these ideologues to the their parliaments to destroy their nation and rob them of their freedoms for the ‘greater good’.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  bill bates
July 7, 2022 4:25 am

One problem is that there are too many politicians in all parties that buy into and promote the lunacy so if you have a choice between two candidates, in too many cases both support some type of “climate action”. We need far more Inhofes than are available to vote for. Here in the US, even if a candidate does not support the lunacy, they are too afraid to speak out against it since they will be demagogued to death by the media.

Bryan A
Reply to  Barnes Moore
July 7, 2022 5:30 am

We need a “None of the Above” option that can WIN the nomination…negating those candidates from running again AND forcing a New Election of different candidates

HotScot
Reply to  bill bates
July 7, 2022 4:26 am

Thankfully the most enthusiastic western European green zealot, Carrie Johnson, has been cancelled when her buffoon husband Boris was forced to resign this morning because of his cumulative lying to parliament and the British public.

These were just the small things he lied about, I want to know the big things he lied about, including climate change and Ukraine.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2022 5:42 am

The dust hasn’t settled yet. Remember, his predecessor declared a “climate emergency” as her parting shot, I wouldn’t put it past bojo to declare a “double plus ungood climate crisis” before he leaves No.10 for the last time.

Martin Pinder
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 7, 2022 10:33 am

Ultimately the power was given to Theresa May to do this by Tony Blair & his Climate Change Act. Even though Bojo is going, the evil ‘Climate Change Committee’ (again a product of Blair) is still in place with the mad Lord Deben in charge, ready at any time to block or impose on the government.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2022 6:08 am

Hoorah…couldn’t be funnier…

Mr “bum pincher” and a “Dick” as (former) head of the met.

All they need now is a politician called Mr Sidebottom, orTurd, cos they already had one called “balls”.

where is Cleese when we need him?

Janice Moore
Reply to  pigs_in_space
July 7, 2022 10:17 am

Here. I. Am!

This is me (John Cleese!)! Just pretend the “Germans” in the scene are generic, lukewarmer, European, AGWists who vote for anti-fossil fuel (i.e., pro -wind, -solar, -electric vehicle -by-fiat industries), “climate change,” fascist politicians:

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
July 7, 2022 10:21 am

John Cleese here (again): No. It is not “I. John Cleese.” He was my great-great-great-grandfather. It is a comedy routine done by me. Now, don’t call me again. I have to take my DEAD parrot back to the pet shop, now.

TBeholder
Reply to  bill bates
July 7, 2022 8:27 am

As opposed to? “If elections could change anything, they would be banned” — heard this one?

Felix
Reply to  bill bates
July 7, 2022 8:34 am

The problem is that government meddles so much that a single vote every few years has to stand for everything. Imagine these same people controlled the one store you had to buy everything from — food, clothing, toys, cars, everything — and you only had two choices — one candidate likes crunch peanut paper, recycled paper towels, and mountain bikes instead of cars, while another hates all peanut butter, says washable towels are better, and everyone has to drive golf carts. Your one vote is meaningless. Blaming voters for the resultant mess is ridiculous.

Heeter
Reply to  bill bates
July 8, 2022 4:19 am

Maybe, maybe not. I think we will eventually find that most leftist politicians got there by voter fraud. This has been going on for decades. People generally do not believe or support insanity. It can only manifest by stealth and cheating.

Coeur de Lion
July 7, 2022 2:29 am

As a Former Naval Person I have an immense respect, nay, love for the Dutch with their art and history. And for Australians for their toughness, courage, sociability, achievement. What is it with this climate nonsense that rots these splendid nations?

Bryan A
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 7, 2022 5:32 am

CO2 destroys Political Neural Activity. The politicians brain cell can’t properly function

Bill
Reply to  Bryan A
July 10, 2022 7:07 pm

Do they breath more CO2 because of industry or because they wear masks?

Gerard O'Dowd
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 7, 2022 1:26 pm

Fear of CO2 emissions causing CAGW is a mass formation delusion perpetuated by indoctrination and propaganda using the levers of psychological influence in western society by MSM, social media platforms, Hollywood, public schools, Academia, Climate Science, publishing houses, popular authors, scientific journals, scientific societies, progressive political parties, SJW, woke ideology, UNIPCC, etc.

What are the levers of psychological influence? Appeals to Authority, Scarcity, Popularity, Likes/Dislikes, Social Proof in place of empirical or experimental methods for discovery and truth testing, Consistency and Commitment, Unity, “We as the Shared Me”. All are being manipulated both subconsciously and overtly through suppression and censorship of dissenting voices for Leftist NeoMarxist political purposes on line by the analysis of Big Data by the enlightened ones at FB, AMZN, Apple, MSFT, DIS, BlackRock of our personal data. The quiet part is being said out loud now.

Robert B Cialdini’s Influence The Psychology of Persuasion, Fourth Ed (2021) explores the use of levers in marketing, sales, economics and finance. But the experimental results have obvious applications in all arenas of life including the changing of elections. It’s worth reading.

AntonyIndia
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 7, 2022 10:46 pm

The answer lies in the Washington D.C swamp with its (s)think tanks. They remote control politics of the EU and the Anglo world, in exchange for “protection”.

huls
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 8, 2022 5:48 am

WEF

July 7, 2022 2:31 am

“Dutch Police Shoot Live Ammo At Anti-Climate Rule Protestors”
This does not seem to be a climate issue. The restriction is on ammonia emissions, which causes eutrophication and algal blooms, and alters the environment in other ways. But it does not affect the climate.

There is a scientific description of the issue here

Last edited 2 months ago by Nick Stokes
Jeroen B.
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2022 3:09 am

Actually it’s not because of “GHG” that they want to cut nitrogen but to “restore nature” which they feel (since their models are defective and they have acknowledged this!!) thrives on nitrogen-starved soil. Since our country is full of postage stamp sized “nature areas”, all valiantly protected under EU Natura2000 regs (most of these areas are actually margins between farmland, historically maintained BY farmers as windbreaks and land borders, none of these are “natural”, but more fallow/cultured areas) and their (faulty) model prescribes massive areas of influence from agriculture, it’s easy to leverage said “natural” postage stamps to eradicate large swathes of farmland, which are eagerly eyed for conversion to solar/wind fields and expanding housing (the same nitrogen regs are also being used as cudgel to stop much needed infrastructure and housing projects)

There’s more to this, but that’s just the cliff notes ….stay tuned, this might get pretty wild.

Last edited 2 months ago by Jeroen B.
Joao Martins
Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 7, 2022 3:54 am

To “restore nature” they should first demolish their dikes network and let water flow again in the polders.

Scissor
Reply to  Joao Martins
July 7, 2022 5:19 am

That would seem to be one end of the slippery slope.

huls
Reply to  Joao Martins
July 8, 2022 5:52 am

Dutchie here. That’s the most moronic part of it all. There is no nature in The Netherlands. It is all made by us.
Apart from that the whole dossier is such an utterly stupid drivel that I really don’t know where to start. It is literally a tsunami of burocratic nonsense wrapped in a looney green story.

Last edited 2 months ago by huls
Joao Martins
Reply to  huls
July 8, 2022 1:32 pm

Take no offense, please, because I am not referring to the nationals, just to the stupid politicians who enforce those laws and the constituencies that support them. I had work for many years with lots of Dutch colleagues who were excellent researchers, kind and good-spirited people, many of them gave me a lot of their knowledge with great generosity. I stress this point because my field (plant pathology) is a kind of interface between agriculture and ecology; I know that there is in your country enough good research and engineering manpower to avoid that silly path of dismantling agricultural enterprises.

stinkerp
Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 7, 2022 4:06 am

Why are we splitting hairs? It’s about both land use and armospheric emissions of methane (cow farts) and nitrous oxide. They’re trying to curb both.

The source of the insanity is the non-productive and perpetually panicked parasitic environmentalist class who have convinced the non-productive, parasitic governing class, who are as dumb as the greenies, that this is a Serious Issue. Decades of high living standards and relative ease have tranquilized the masses into thinking these minuscule molehillls are mountains needing to be conquered.

It will take people going hungry and not being able to heat their homes in the winter to restore balance to the force. Suffering has a way of focusing the mind and pushing the real existential issues to the fore. The farmers, still possessing common sense, know this. The idiot greenies don’t.

Hans Erren
Reply to  stinkerp
July 7, 2022 4:29 am

Sorry this is not about nitrogen oxide but ammonia which is not a greenhouse gas..

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 7, 2022 9:23 am

The IR spectrum of ammonia has many lines in the 10 to 12 um region, thus must be a greenhouse gas.

Reply to  Kevin kilty
July 7, 2022 1:08 pm

But it is very soluble in water, and so has a short lifetime in the air.

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 5:52 pm

CO2 is also soluble in water.

William Wilson
Reply to  Kevin kilty
July 7, 2022 2:03 pm

A little learning! Ammonia is not a greenhouse gas because it has no lifetime in air. Washes out as soon as it rains.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 7, 2022 10:16 am

What happens when ammonia is exposed to oxygen?

DonM
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 7, 2022 12:00 pm

nitrates, nitrites.

I had a water system 20 yrs ago that was exceeding the limits (shallow, unconfined water source). Since the source was iffy anyway, I pushed them into going deeper into old water and treating for iron, hardness, etc; rather than just treating for nitrates.

During the process I went to the County health people and told them about the nitrate spike at the mobile home park. Ask them, “do you guys want to follow through with the downgradient wells that don’t test & don’t know about the high ‘pollutant’ level?”

Nope, they didn’t. Nitrate is just a tool to regulate. It is not a health concern at the regulatory std limits.

Scissor
Reply to  stinkerp
July 7, 2022 5:21 am

Outsource everything to China and Russia. What could go wrong?

Jim Veenbaas
Reply to  stinkerp
July 7, 2022 12:11 pm

These are luxury beliefs held by the political and managerial class. None of this affects them personally, until it’s too late of course. The poor in the west and across the globe will suffer dire consequences before there is change. So many parallels to Lysenkoism.

bill
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas
July 7, 2022 3:11 pm

The change will come if this winter or the next has cold weather associated with low wind for a few weeks, the quantity of bodies will make Covid look like a entree

Streetcred
Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 7, 2022 10:21 pm

They can have a look at Sri Lanka to see what “restoring nature” has achieved.

Jan de Jong
Reply to  Jeroen B.
July 8, 2022 1:52 am

Indeed. The “nitrogen crisis” is a means to an end.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2022 3:12 am

Eric,
Nitrous oxide is a greenhouse gas, but is not involved here. The restriction is of emissions that carry nitrogen into the environment, mainly ammonia, but also nitrogen dioxide. It is not about meeting climate targets.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 3:48 am

Does that make it OK to shoot live ammunition at protestors then?

What about dealing with lightening 3,000,000 strikes per day, all creating NO and NO2?

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
July 7, 2022 3:59 am

Nitrous oxide, N₂O, is a GHG. It is virtually inert in the atmosphere, and is not washed out by rain. It does not convey nitrogen compounds into the environment.

NO and NO₂ (NOx) are not significant GHGs. NO is easily oxidised to NO₂, and that is easily washed out by rain to contribute nitrates in the environment. That is the target of this nitrogen policy, along with the bigger issue of ammonia.

There is no proposal to ban lightning, which has always been with us.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 4:09 am

You’re just ignoring the fact that nitrogen fertilizer is made from fossil fuels, and these “restrictions” are just another attack on fossil fuels.

So yes, no matter how you slice it, this is just another arm of the ‘climate’ bullshit, which was never about the climate to begin with – it has always been a smokescreen for unfettered control over energy use (and by extension, control over everything).

Hans Erren
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
July 7, 2022 4:32 am

It is not a climate issue but a fertiliser issue, greens also don’t know the difference.

LdB
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 7, 2022 6:36 am

100% correct and you see that with our mate Stokesy.

DrEd
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 7, 2022 7:25 am

Right. The idiot greenies can’t tell bullshit from CO2.

Jan de Jong
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 8, 2022 1:55 am

It’s a land grab issue.

Scissor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 4:25 am

Still will not address the shooting.

LdB
Reply to  Scissor
July 7, 2022 6:36 am

Nah Stokes deflection is in full overdrive. It’s like his stupid renewable chart AKA a calculator he won’t address which the default values are a greentards wet dream values … I really loved the carbon price for a start 🙂

Last edited 2 months ago by LdB
LdB
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 6:35 am

The more amusing part is how any government intends to police the issue

There are some fantastic ways to introduce nitrogen into the enviro my favorite is via coffee grounds 🙂

The more you turkeys try to enforce a prohibition the more create some of us will get. Hey in future years we could be like Al Capone and make a whole business out of introducing Nitrogen into the enviro AKA fertilizer.

Reply to  LdB
July 7, 2022 6:20 pm

An even better way is by infusion with waste humans.

That is the intended word order.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 10:28 am

There is no proposal to ban lightning,…

Lol.🙄 But, boy howdy, if you socialists could, you would.

fretslider
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 3:56 am

It’s about raising food prices as part of the policy to reduce meat consumption..

“Europeans should eat less meat to help fight climate change, but the EU is wary about saying it out loud.”

https://euobserver.com/green-economy/127407

So what will they eat?

“Eating insects can help save the planet, says EU climate change innovation chief Kirsten Dunlop says climate change offers numerous ways to transform our lives for the better”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/07/dutch-police-shoot-live-ammo-at-anti-climate-rule-protestors/

After you….

Last edited 2 months ago by fretslider
DipChip
Reply to  fretslider
July 7, 2022 6:20 am

60 years ago I would drive 50, 75, 100, miles to visit relatives during growing season on the high plains corn country. By the time I returned home there were so many dead insects you would have to stop and clean the wind shield. Today I can drive there from Houston and back No Bug Splatter.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  DipChip
July 7, 2022 6:31 am

Hmmm…weren’t they still using DDT back then?

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  DipChip
July 7, 2022 6:52 am

Air flow over windshields vs airflow into “windshields” ?

DipChip
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
July 7, 2022 12:29 pm

Yes we used to purchase air flow deflectors for just that purpose; and they seemed to work.

Streetcred
Reply to  DipChip
July 7, 2022 10:26 pm

Greenies have been eating the insects ?

KevC
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 4:03 am

so Nick, the worry is about small amounts of ammonia being released into the atmosphere ?.. Given that current technology has trouble with natural gas (methane) etc, how the hell are they going to secure the megatonnes of Ammonia currently being touted as the fossil fuel replacement fuel of the future.. If you think farms are seeping some ammonia now, just think what the world could be like with tankers, pipelines, etc shipping around as much volume as currently being done with gasoline, diesel, etc..gonna be a stinky world if this is allowed to happen.. give me a little farm run off any day compared with that !

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2022 6:10 am

Nitrous oxide is called laughing gas, and is great injected with extra gas, to make your car go into orbit.
Don’t knock nitrous until you have tried….and screw the Dutch with their pathetic underwater country.

William Wilson
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2022 2:01 pm

400 parts per BILLION. Contribute a sparrow fart to the totally natural greenhouse effect.

Andy Wilkins
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 4:22 am

Oh, come on Nick! You know as well as I do that this whole thing is tied up in the eco-zealot obsession with CAGW.
What are your thoughts on police shooting at farmers? Justified or not?

Scissor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 4:24 am

The shooting is an issue that Nick will not address.

Doonman
Reply to  Scissor
July 7, 2022 9:03 am

Shooting protestors by Dutch government officials is OK when they are scared. It’s only when citizens shoot at government officials when they are scared that is a problem. Hence the Dutch governments outlawing of all firearms and ammunition without permission.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Doonman
July 7, 2022 10:23 am

We are so far behind the Dutch in that regard. The pesky 2nd Amendment makes it so much harder to disarm Americans. They have to demonize firearms one group at a time, and that takes so much longer.

HotScot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 4:34 am

From your link:

“Erik Stokstad

Author
Erik is a reporter at Science, covering environmental issues.”

This is not a scientific article, this is journalism subject to bias (from whatever source).

Try to learn the difference between science and journalism then get back to us all.

We won’t expect to see you anytime soon……..

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2022 7:42 am

As for Stokes link–“Nitrogen, a key nutrient for plants, is also an insidious pollutant….” What is insidious is always looking at a “half full” situation negatively. There are papers on the Netherlands’ waters, has changed things, some problems, but they ain’t stupid. Try this from the good old days. Chase, F. M. 1942. Useful Algae. Smithsonian Reports. (1941):401-452.

There is a scientific journal Harmful Algae that has a lot of good papers, but some, as myself, think that they have been hung up on nutrients which may have skewed the understanding some, how much, don’t know.

John Dowser
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 6:38 am

Nick, while the protest is indeed not related to any well known policies to combat global warming, the net influence on the total greenhouse gas emission is still claimed to be around 10%. This is mostly about the N2O and the formation of tropospherical ozon. Increasingly “climate” issues tend to include the nitrogen aspect as part of the wider ecological scope.

“Human nitrogen additions to the soil, in the form of fertilizers, reinforce the greenhouse effect: around 60 per cent of nitrous oxide is emitted from fertilized fields, manures and other agricultural sources,” — UN Environment Programme (UNEP).

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 7:19 am

As I have pointed out before Eutrophication is the sign of productivity as in successful farming, another dreamed up pejorative. Hypertrophication is the septic system, pig-sty that even pigs can handle, that were cleaned up most developed places. We have added nutrients, some places too many, some places increased productivity, even in estuaries and the ocean. There are also “pigs” in the ocean that can handle it, as it is also a natural phenomenon, some eat algae. This is from the late Scott Nixon who has the most logical coverage.

“ … Carlos Duarte pointed out that those who believe that reducing nutrient inputs will return coastal ecosystems to some pristine state have forgotten that the ‘baseline’ has been changing. Like Peter Pan, he said, they want to return to ‘Neverland’ where time stands still and nothing ever changes…”

Nixon, S. W. 2009. Eutrophication and the macroscope. Hydrobiologia. 629:5–19. DOI 10.1007/s10750-009-9759-z   OPEN ACCESS, SHOULD BE REQUIRED READING.

DaveinCalgary
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 8:24 am

Splitting hairs after an attempted murder? You have slipped from pedantic to psychotic Nick. The absence of empathy is disturbing.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  DaveinCalgary
July 7, 2022 10:28 am

I think it may be a situation of perverted priorities. Mother Earth is more important than people in Stokes’ mind.

Lrp
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 7, 2022 1:03 pm

Ideology before people is fascism

Reply to  DaveinCalgary
July 7, 2022 1:42 pm

Well, if police violence is the issue, one might start with Mr Jayland Walker in Akron, Ohio, who was actually hit by police bullets (60 of them) and killed. Didn’t hear much about that here. But I try to stick to climate issues.

Mike Graebner
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 4:36 pm

he had a gun.

MarkW
Reply to  Mike Graebner
July 7, 2022 5:57 pm

Doesn’t matter to Nick.
He’s more interested in changing the subject.

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Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 6:46 pm

I must have missed the story where that dangerous farmer boy peeled out of the traffic stop, led the cops on a high speed chase (good trick with a tractor), shot at them, then exited his vehicle, and ran towards a residential area.

Nope, missed it entirely. Can you help me out, Nick, and provide a link?

Streetcred
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 10:29 pm

Nick, you’re full of it, mate.

Martin Pinder
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2022 10:38 am

All the articles I have seen say nitrogen, which is a harmless atmospheric dilutant. I assumed when they said nitrogen they really meant oxides of noitrogen.

Reply to  Martin Pinder
July 7, 2022 1:38 pm

Well, combined nitrogen, with ammonia the main concern. But yes, not N₂.

fretslider
July 7, 2022 2:38 am

The entire British MSM has omitted this completely. As far as our media is concerned it never happened.

This just goes to show how they get around the unwelcome vote of the majority. The media remains (geddit?) in lock step with the EU.

By the way Boris has gone…

HotScot
Reply to  fretslider
July 7, 2022 4:37 am

Same as the yellow vest demonstrations in France were barely reported in UK MSM.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2022 10:30 am

Low profile here in the US too.

Richard Page
Reply to  fretslider
July 7, 2022 8:36 am

Bojo the clown has not gone quite yet, neither has Princess Nut-Nut. He has, however, resigned which has triggered a mad scramble to drag him bodily out of no.10 and install a ‘caretaker’ PM rather than have him hanging around until a new leader can be elected. Somebody (Keir Starmer and/or Nicola Sturgeon perhaps?) is terrified of the damage he might be able to do if he remains in office until replaced.
Personally I think it was his idea of building an expensive treehouse with bullet proof glass at chequers for his son which horrified people – suddenly they wanted to know how long he actually intended to stay there?

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Ed Hanley
July 7, 2022 2:51 am

From an AP report:
“Prime Minister Mark Rutte said farmers have the right to protest but not to break the law.
“Freedom of speech and the right to demonstrate are a vital part of our democratic society, and I will always defend them,” Rutte said. “But … it is not acceptable to create dangerous situations, it is not acceptable to intimidate officials, we will never accept that.”

But it IS acceptable for the government to create dangerous situations where farmers might be killed or injured.

The desire to save endangered species does not justify firing guns at people while you are taking away their livelihood.

fretslider
Reply to  Ed Hanley
July 7, 2022 3:31 am

 it is not acceptable to create dangerous situations”

Unless its an Extinction Rebellion protest…

“Amsterdam limits Extinction Rebellion climate protests Action group Extinction Rebellion announced a number of climate demonstrations in Amsterdam over this weekend. The city decided to allow most of these protests…”

https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/18/amsterdam-limits-extinction-rebellion-climate-protests

HotScot
Reply to  Ed Hanley
July 7, 2022 4:52 am

it is not acceptable to intimidate officials, we will never accept that.

But it’s fine for officials to intimidate the public!

And that cop needs to be sacked and prosecuted for firing on an unarmed member of the public who was driving away from him.

hiskorr
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2022 6:20 am

He can apply to our US Capitol Police. Should be welcomed.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2022 6:20 am

More like attemped murder! (oh come to think of it the UK police have the first place for that (Menenses assassinated on the London tube by Dick’s special pathological lying cops) and of course the plod himself who went out and killed Sarah Everard only about a year back….

Martin Pinder
Reply to  pigs_in_space
July 7, 2022 10:53 am

Yes, we still have the death penalty in this country.

HotScot
Reply to  pigs_in_space
July 7, 2022 11:16 am

To be fair to the cops who shot de Menezes, it was only two weeks after the 7/7 bombing and the capital was on uber high alert expecting more events on public transport and the perpetrators of 7/7 were known to be at large.

The individual cops were exonerated but the command structure criticised snd the Commander of the time (his department) was fined under H&S regulations.

Interestingly, The Gold Commander in charge of the operation was Cressida Dick, she was also prominent in the Stephen Lawrence screw up, when the Met basically rolled over, threw the investigating cops under the bus by accepting a claim of racist behaviour, rather then have the Met branded incompetent.

On that note, the son of a friend of mine is a Met officer, a Sikh, who suffered racism internally but only from a racist sergeant. He moved team and it’s never happened again.

I’m an ex cop and can say categorically that forces are not systemically racist. Even in the 70’s & 80’s when I worked in Glasgow 99% of cops would have been horrified by the thought, but there is always that 1%.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2022 1:58 pm

“I’m an ex cop” which of course means you are not blatently biased of course.
My experience is they are lying bastards and will stop at nothing for incriminating others for their lying and fabricating while doing nothing about the Saviles of this world and making unlawful arrests and clapping people in prison for 3 days on any stupid pretext they can damn well think up.

(my case) and of course never ever owning to their lying bastard ways such as Hillsborough or enteriung people’s property without warrants or following people walking a dog on the moors with drones..or dying lakes funny colours at your expense.

Uk became Stamford prison experiment 11 on their and Bojo’s lying corrupt watch and the met police going around beating up innocent women on a demo have a bloody lot to answer for!

DonM
Reply to  HotScot
July 8, 2022 12:23 pm

The 1% is only a problem because 90% look the other way or even protect the 1%.

Martin Pinder
Reply to  Ed Hanley
July 7, 2022 10:52 am

Mark Rutte said that people have the right to protest but not to break the law. Tell that to Exaggeration Rebellion & Insult Britain then enforce it.

peter schell
July 7, 2022 2:54 am

It would seem to me that the ultimate farmer protest would be to not farm. Maybe only growing a large cottage garden to feed their own families and leaving the rest of the fields fallow.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  peter schell
July 7, 2022 4:12 am

Not much of a living in that though…

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  peter schell
July 7, 2022 7:59 am

Not necessary to stop farming to placate the local Commissars – just need to ensure and point out that their exports will be sent to China.

Davidf
July 7, 2022 3:23 am

The police Officers shot at a tractor driving away from them. Hard to sustain and argument he was threatening them.

Scissor
Reply to  Davidf
July 7, 2022 4:22 am

Perhaps the farmer used a wrong pronoun.

186no
July 7, 2022 3:30 am

An otherwise intelligent Dutch family of our acquaintance thinks the Sun shines southwards from Rutte’s sphincter, that he has got SARS COV2 strategy right etc etc etc. Cannot comment about Rutte himself but when I referred a Dutch MEP’s recent video highlighting all the malign consequences of the jabs, masks, lockdowns etc., he was condescendingly dismissive and would not engage…..not statistically representative but I fear for the continent of Europe if the Dutch go “SARS WOKE” and then swallow H,L&S the green CC lobby rubbish, as well as the Police are OK to start shooting at farmers – they are supposedly amongst the brighter end of ~400 million?

Jan de Jong
Reply to  186no
July 8, 2022 2:06 am

The globalists (see WEF “young leaders”) are solidly in power in the Netherlands and the general population sleeps.

July 7, 2022 4:23 am

Less (nitrate) fertiliser means less people. Is this seriously what the EU has mandated?

TBeholder
Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 7, 2022 8:32 am

Well, duh. Trotskyites being Trotskyites.

Andy Wilkins
July 7, 2022 4:24 am

It seems Farmers Lives don’t Matter.

fretslider
Reply to  Andy Wilkins
July 7, 2022 4:33 am

White rice matters…

Hans Erren
July 7, 2022 4:25 am

No it is not a climate rule, it is about farmers living to close to new “nature”, now they are forced to close business.

Citizen Smith
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 7, 2022 8:57 am

This is about a country that has become too successful for its own good. Mostly flat arable land. Mild, wet climate. Technologically efficient modern farming practices. Top of the chain products like dairy and meat. Dense population with too much time available to non-producers. Producers being farmers, construction workers, technicians, and other people that do. Non-producers being politicians, judges, lawyers, administrators, people that want to control the people that do. Success has allowed the non-producers to expand their influence beyond useful numbers. This wasn’t a problem back when people dug potatoes out of the dirt with sticks.

Tom Halla
July 7, 2022 5:12 am

Only The Left is supposed to rise up, which also explained Justin Trudeau very much opposing the truckers.
Jan 6 was not that big a riot, but the Democrats are portraying it as an attempted coup.It was just the wrong side rioting, like the farmers.

TBeholder
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 7, 2022 8:35 am

Yup. People mistook the theater for a real thing and copied it, with results dangerous for them and awkward for the circus. See also: “Noam Chomsky killed Aaron Swartz”.

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AWG
July 7, 2022 5:22 am

Hate to be the Eeyore here, but like Canada, the government is fully comprised of narcissistic sociopaths who have no problems with vandalizing equipment and gunning down the State’s chattel when the bureaucrats feel that their god-like authority is challenged.

How is this supposed to end when the State has a monopoly on violence and no conscience?

DipChip
July 7, 2022 5:33 am

I suspect that many Northern Europeans will be succumbing to hyperthermia in the next few years if current policies continue.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  DipChip
July 7, 2022 6:24 am

Luckily in our country the EU mandated giving up burning oil shale, but being 100% dependent on gazprom policies have taken a beating.

Plans are now afoot to reverse ASAP, and convert the previous gas burners with a rapid transition back to using home grown stuff dug out of the ground..
(Kukersite and all that).

Coach Springer
July 7, 2022 5:43 am

Shooting protestors? About progressives and martyrdom: The other side is not permitted any.

No George Floyd for you!

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
July 7, 2022 5:50 am

I’d like to see those Dutch police gunmen and their bosses work on a farm and make it productive.

James B.
July 7, 2022 5:52 am

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
— Voltaire

Dennis
July 7, 2022 6:01 am

Also consider how Canada handled the truck convoy protest, and the State of Victoria in Australia handled lockdown and vaccine mandate protests, with violence by police.

David Elstrom
July 7, 2022 7:09 am

The self-styled elitists of the Liberal World Order are finally going full Gestapo on dissenters from their statism. Do these uppity peasants think the government is supposed to represent their interests? If so, a few well placed shots can’t hurt to set them straight. At least the elitists are showing their true totalitarian colors.

John the Econ
July 7, 2022 8:02 am

Just as America has chased its high-carbon industries to China, India and elsewhere, so it appears as though the Dutch will be chasing their food production to more carbon-friendly locales.

Western civilization takes another step towards irrelevancy.

Richard Page
Reply to  John the Econ
July 7, 2022 8:44 am

Well it’s not as if the farmers are actually doing anything is it? Every idiot knows proper food comes from the supermarket, not some smelly hole in the ground! sarc (you could tell, couldn’t you?)

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Shoki Kaneda
July 7, 2022 8:10 am

Pay attention, kids. This is how democracies become dictatorships.

DaveinCalgary
July 7, 2022 8:37 am

“police union representative Maarten Brink said…. police officers “never just grab” their weapons without reason.”

Except when they clearly do in front of a crowd of witnesses and cameras.

The gaslighting from government at all levels has to stop.

DonM
Reply to  DaveinCalgary
July 8, 2022 12:26 pm

note that he did not say “…without good reason…”

it can be a bad reason.

in this case, it is a make believe reason.

n.n
July 7, 2022 8:49 am

Sure, why not. In the Democrat model they are heroes. Abort all the “burdens”.

Alastair gray
July 7, 2022 8:51 am

I deplore this brutality but if they must be brutal then XR would make better targets

MarkW
July 7, 2022 8:51 am

If any of the farmers are black, that police officers career will be over.

HOJO
July 7, 2022 8:52 am

As Klaus has stated he gets inside governments and appoints people who will do the NWO bidding and as you can see the depopulation plan is in full swing all around the world . I say look into these officials etc. bank accounts and see if they are now flush with cash. Climate change is now gone over the edge as facts make no difference in this plan of one world government. JUST SAY NO

n.n
July 7, 2022 8:52 am

This is the model of [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate change. Forward! and don’t spare the babies.

David Anderson
July 7, 2022 8:55 am

It is no longer theoretical that these policies lead to famine. Look at the mess they’ve created in Sri Lanka. Rich soil, well watered, tropical climate, people are starving. Pure man made disaster.

Call me a skeptic
Reply to  David Anderson
July 7, 2022 9:09 am

What will the authoritarians do if we the people start shooting back? However, if all guns are confiscated except for the authoritarians guns…we get Chinese style government. Ask the citizens of Hong Kong how they like it.

Andy Pattullo
July 7, 2022 8:58 am

If fools in power don’t have logic and facts on their side they fall back on guns and force. It is generally a losing strategy in countries where voters get to fire their leaders, but hopefully it will be short lived so as to prevent serious harm to legitimate protesters.

Alexander Vissers
July 7, 2022 9:03 am

To be fair, the cut in ammonia and nitrate deposition is primarily addressing the EU rule on nature preservation and biodiversity, not climate. The problem with ammonia and nitrate is firstly that they enhances growth in grasses en some other herbs who overgrow all other vegetation. The other effect of long term nitrate deposition in many areas is that minerals notably calcium magnesium but even kalium (potassium) are washed out from the soil as they are more solvent in a nitrate rich environment causing oaks (and other trees) to perish. Amonia / nitrate (NO2) are air born from stables to the surrounding environment. The high density in cattle porcine and poultry in some areas close to protected areas led the government to conclude that cuts of up to 70% are required to meet the norm. They communicated this in the worst possible manner without presenting a plan for voluntary cuts. They brought this uprising of the farmers on themselves.

Jan de Jong
Reply to  Alexander Vissers
July 8, 2022 2:28 am

It’s a manufactured crisis with only one solution: government takes your land..

Norman MacLeod
July 7, 2022 9:12 am

So . . .

What nearly all the stories miss mentioning about the Dutch police opening fire on a tractor that was not a threat to them with live rounds is that the farmer driving the tractor is all of sixteen years old. It was extremely fortuitous that the round that hit the tractor managed to dead-center on a steel pillar between the cab windows.

Watch the video and see if you can determine just how the polite ((Dutch for police) can justify adding insult to injury by arresting the kid and accusing him of attempted murder . . . for the crime of simply driving AROUND their poorly-crafted roadblock.

Lots and lots of farmers of all ages with lots and lots of tractors then surrounded the cop shop where they locked him and the other two arrested protesters up, demanding his immediate release. To which the police then stated that he wasn’t getting out until the “rescuers” went away.

He was released several hours after they pulled back.

It is absolute madness for the politicians to double down on their climate response fantasies in the face of expanding actual famine . . . for real famine where some people in some places are actually dying.

There are three catastrophic conditions that have appeared together throughout history: famine, pandemic, and war. All are made far worse by persistent political “intervention” of various stripes. They are generally regional, but for the first time, this round is threatening to become genuinely global as the political class everywhere stubbornly doubles down on stupid.

The road runner has made the curve, and Wylie E. Coyote is peeking down between his toes into the abyss below.

We are Wylie E.

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Janice Moore
Reply to  Norman MacLeod
July 7, 2022 10:47 am

Indeed, only 16. But, old enough to fight in a war on his family’s liberty.

I am SO proud of him. How very PROUD his parents must be. 😊

Jouke
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Danley Wolfe
July 7, 2022 10:02 am

The climate movement is a movement, led by a few and evolving since the early 1970s. Compare with Mein Kampf the mass influence techniques employed while led by and abetted by left lib governments with messaging usually based more on influence and less on science. (I acknowledge the greenhouse effect is real; I find appalling / out of bound when official government agencies alter historical data to magnify the apparent effect… take for example adjustment of historical records cf. Thomas Karl et al ScienceExpress, June 4, 2015, in which around 20 years of data were restated ending up magnifying the effect of CO2 on global warming. I also take offense in use of Nazi like propaganda techniques such as the mass media eg. New York Times which has full time staff of 10-15 doing nothing but spreading propaganda running stories that do discuss let alone present data for the actual science on which the claims / conclusions are made… the definition of Mein Kampf influence peddling combination of myth, folktale, storytelling. Think about like Hitler Naziism, think about what happens to those who questions the storyline myths.

Martin Pinder
July 7, 2022 10:26 am

It’s absolutely dreadful. The Dutch government know perfectly well that a large number of their farmers are faced with loosing their livelihoods. The authoritarianism of European countries is astounding. I hope that the farmers are ultimately successful & that it ignites a huge backlash world wide against ‘green’ policies.

Truthbknown
July 7, 2022 11:36 am

Its TIME TO SHOOT BACK!!! The police have chosen their side and must be killed!

Bob
July 7, 2022 12:48 pm

Like I’ve been saying these green devils are vicious contemptible villains.

bob mounger
July 7, 2022 4:51 pm

if you look at the wikipedia article about the dutch economy it says that the largest ag export is dairy, & specifically mentions … infant formula

You can’t make this stuff up.

Gregg Eshelman
July 7, 2022 4:57 pm

The “greens” figure if they can force farming back to 18th century technology without fertilizers and pesticides they can reduce the human population to 18th century numbers via mass starvation.

Dee
July 7, 2022 4:57 pm

Good grief. Our police in the States cannot even fire towards a crowd. There would be hell to pay. The citizens get upset enough over tear gas.

bubbabird
July 7, 2022 6:34 pm

They don’t just “grab” their weapons—the weapons were already positioned securely in hand.

Aelfrith
July 8, 2022 12:47 am

The Dutch Government have been caught employing Agent Provocateurs in the recent pass in relation to this protest.

observa
July 8, 2022 3:11 am

First they came for uranium and nobody said anything and then carbon and now nitrogen-
Enraged farmers cause chaos throughout the Netherlands. What’s going on? (msn.com)
Presumably these crackers are working their way through the table of elements?

Alba
July 8, 2022 3:25 am

Dutch farmers lives matter

huls
July 8, 2022 5:37 am

The Netherlands is on a downwards spiral:
UN Rapporteur Nils Melzer: “The Netherlands is Violating the Anti-torture Treaty”https://www.europereloaded.com/un-rapporteur-nils-melzer-the-netherlands-is-violating-the-anti-torture-treaty/

Ravelaer
July 8, 2022 7:09 pm

The farmers protest has nothing to do, nada noppes, with climate policies – who makes this up?

It’s about nitrogen (not a greenhouse gas) that is supposed to threaten the Dutch nature (mainly inland sand dunes and heathlands ) by feeding nitro-loving vegetation. European countries have signed a treaty (Natura2000) to protect their nature conservation areas, but it’s the government herself appointing which green habitats and setting the bars. Nobody knows what damage is caused by how much emission, still a lot of farmers are now forced to close their business, and this problem just stops -funny enough- at the Dutch-German border.

But again, this farmers protest that takes place since couple of years has nothing to do with climate policies but with biodiversity.

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