Dumb As It Gets: Germany Heads into Winter Refusing to Let Badly Needed Power Plants Operate

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By P Gosselin on 5. July 2022

Germany’s intensifying gas and energy crisis…

Into winter chaos without extending power plant operation

By Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt
(Translated by P. Gosselin, one hyperlink added)

There is another taboo law that the German federal government does not want to touch: the nuclear phase-out law. Most people in Germany have seen through the inane statements of the Green president of the Federal Network Agency, Klaus Müller, according to whom nuclear power plants do not generate heat and therefore do not help with the gas shortage.

But 14% of electricity comes from gas-fired power plants. We will only be able to replace two-thirds of the gas-fired power plants by ramping up reserve coal-fired power plants. In the end, eliminating three nuclear power plants means giving up a large part of this saving, because the electricity that is eliminated cannot be replaced in any other way than by gas-fired power plants.

Even the accelerated expansion of wind power and solar energy (which, by the way, only produces electricity) will not help. In order to replace the amount of electricity of the three running nuclear power plants arithmetically, one needs two thirds of the 2.2 million existing solar plants. In other words : to replace this amount of electricity, we need five to ten years to replace the resulting gap of about 35 TWh with new PV plants. And then we would still have no electricity at night.

Power company Evonik CEO Christian Kullmann vividly described the extent of the gas crisis: Imagine a train transporting gas that starts in Seville and ends in Frankfurt [1860 km], one wagon at a time the whole way. And he poses the question of how long the German chemical industry would be able to get by on this gas quantity. Mind you, only the chemical industry. Answer: 6 hours. It’s about 5.6 million jobs affected by the lack of natural gas. It is not about taking shorter showers.

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fretslider
July 6, 2022 2:11 am

As Hermann Hesse might have put it: Nur für verrückte

For Madmen Only.

Willem post
Reply to  fretslider
July 6, 2022 6:46 am

Let them freeze their a…s in the dark, this coming winter, if German RE folks are that stupid.

It could be, they started disassembling these plants, to make sure they would not be restartable, as was done with Vermont Yankee in New England, a perfectly good plant that just had received a 20-y life extension

EU RE bureaucrats want nuclear and gas be declared CO2 acceptable, but German RE nut heads have been opposing it.

Bryan A
Reply to  Willem post
July 6, 2022 9:18 am

If Nuclear Plants “didn’t generate heat” then they wouldn’t need “Cooling Pools” for spent fuel rods and a “Melt Down” could never occur.
Dumb as a box of Socks full of Rocks

July 6, 2022 2:22 am

The only way to break the modern liberal vegan German’s infatuation with all things green, is for it to all fail catastrophically.

Bring it on.

Vuk
Reply to  Leo Smith
July 6, 2022 3:45 am

Stop despairing, let’s have some fun instead
https://youtu.be/pD8uccrD4Sw

Vuk
Reply to  Vuk
July 6, 2022 7:52 am

Macron to nationalise EDF as France faces up to threat of blackouts

The French Government has set out plans to nationalise struggling nuclear giant EDF as it tries to weather the escalating energy crisis.
Elisabeth Borne, French Prime Minister, said: “The climate emergency required strong, radical decisions. We need to have full control of the production and our energy future. We must ensure our sovereignty faced with the consequences of the war and the colossal challenges ahead.
“That is why I confirm today the intention of the state to hold 100pc of the capital of EDF.”

Fraizer
Reply to  Vuk
July 6, 2022 8:59 am

And so it begins. That’s the real end game isn’t it? Nationalize energy supply and use it as a stick against the people. Why not, it worked out so well for Venezuela.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Vuk
July 6, 2022 3:22 pm

The beginning of the move from Fascism to Socialism. How long before other industries such as freight hauling becomes nationalized?

Nick Graves
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 7, 2022 12:23 am

Technocratic totalitarianism – at least fascism & socialism had their good points.

Not that I can think of any, right now…

PCman999
Reply to  Vuk
July 6, 2022 3:57 pm

I don’t really see the significance, EDF was already mostly state owned so not much is really going to change, except the shareholders get baled out. Too bad the taxpayers will be left footing the bill for inefficient, socialist ‘business’ practices.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Leo Smith
July 6, 2022 4:19 am

Excellent comment Leo, however, they are in no way liberal in any sense of the word that shares its root with liberty.

Willem post
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 6, 2022 6:48 am

They are as liberal as Lenin, and as tyrannical as Stalin

ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 9, 2022 3:26 pm

Redefining common words is essential to socialist/communist ideology.

July 6, 2022 2:24 am

Maybe it’s deliberate. The New World Order carrying out a cull?

fretslider
Reply to  Derek Wood
July 6, 2022 2:33 am

Over 70 years of guilt has taken its toll. And when the [global] left are constantly accusing people of being ‘members of the NSDAP’, or having those views, and we even have ‘Godwin’s law’ etc. it isn’t going away any time soon.

It’s worse than Wilson’s 14 points.

Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
Reply to  fretslider
July 6, 2022 2:55 am

When is their next election.

Let’s hear it from the people.

Michael VK5ELL11

fretslider
Reply to  Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
July 6, 2022 3:01 am

They’ve only just had an election

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
July 6, 2022 4:24 am

swedens farmers are being rather vocal inc the border to germany but…msm isnt showing much if any
ruining farms for warming unicorn farts isnt going down well

Rich Davis
Reply to  ozspeaksup
July 6, 2022 5:01 am

?

Are you playing the part of Brandon, confusing Switzerland with Sweden?

ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  fretslider
July 9, 2022 3:35 pm

Someone has to be guilty. Here in the US the Democratic Party founded, funded, and provided logistical and legal support to the KKK for slightly over 100 years. The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) carried out deadly violence against Blacks, Jews – well, pretty much everyone who wasn’t White. Then the Democratic Party found they could control and keep Blacks in the ghettos just as effectively by promising them free stuff.

They also found they could now blame racism on White folk and conservatives. Win-win for the US Democratic Party.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Derek Wood
July 6, 2022 4:54 am

More realistically, it signals that that the Greens are extracting the maximum price for conceding on the nukes and also that the SPD needs to pretend for a while to keep their voters from revolting.

https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-06/atomkraft-christian-lindner-rueckkehr-investitionen-energiewende?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Either that or Germany plans to appease Russia by November and needs the situation leading up to that “regrettable, unforeseen decision” to be so dire that other countries will “just have to understand”. In a choice of throwing Ukraine under the bus or having to impose rolling shutdowns of all German industry, which would you really expect them to choose?

With anything touching on the EU, it’s hard to be cynical enough.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 7, 2022 8:20 pm

IMO, it’s the Greens that are ‘revolting’.

Steve Case
July 6, 2022 3:07 am

 And then we would still have no electricity at night.
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Alinsky’s rules for radicals #4 –

“Make the enemy live up to their own rules.”

The German government doesn’t have to live up to their own rule book, that would be stupid. Unless of course their goal is the collapse of industrialized civilization, and it’s their responsibility to bring that about.

observa
July 6, 2022 3:08 am
Peta of Newark
Reply to  observa
July 6, 2022 6:47 am

Also on MSN, I found yesterday but now gone, was story from some sort of ‘Union’ or ‘Confederation’ of German Industry

Basically they were saying that if something isn’t done soon, most of German industry is completely <F_expleted>

Steel, motor, aluminium, glass and all the other big users were gonna go out of business and remain so.
.
As seen ‘most everywhere, the Chinese would simply take everything over and by the time the Greens control the banks, nothing could ever be pulled from the ashes.

John Garrett
July 6, 2022 3:18 am

Bad things happen when there are a whole bunch of unemployed Germans.

Speed
July 6, 2022 3:25 am

This winter we’ll get to see how anti-nuclear Germany fairs compared to pro-nuclear France.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Speed
July 6, 2022 3:29 am

Fares, perhaps?

Ron Long
Reply to  Speed
July 6, 2022 3:31 am

You got that right, Speed. It used to be French wine and German cars, now it will be French wine AND French cars.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Ron Long
July 6, 2022 3:52 am

That, or German car makers will just have to build some factories in France.

Which SHOULD tell Germany about how stupid their energy policies are.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Speed
July 6, 2022 5:30 am

I think France has much nicer fairs than Germany, anyway.

How Germany fares is another question entirely…

Drake
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
July 6, 2022 11:12 am

Or we can have more Belgium fairs, to enhance the spread of Monkey Pox.

Richard Page
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
July 7, 2022 3:15 pm

France has the better wine but German car makers would rather move to Poland or Czech republic than France.

Michael in Dublin
July 6, 2022 4:00 am

Whenever I see something written by one of the signatories of the World Climate Declaration I know it will be a sensible statement.We are certainly far from running out of oil and gas but seem to have run out of common sense in Western education and governments. To make matters worse those who call loudest for tollerance refuse to even begin to engage in a careful and logical discussion with climate dissenters.

Clintel’s succinct statement “There is no climate emergency” could not be a better short statement of the dissenting view. Those pushing the alarmist view need to sum up their position in a similar clear and brief statement of less than 400 words. These should form the basis for a frank discussion of the issues. However, I do not believe politicians, the media and activists would allow such an honest engagement.

Surrr
July 6, 2022 4:06 am

What’s happening to Germany’s power supply is what Australia can look forward to in the next 3 years with the numbskull ALP in charge now.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Surrr
July 6, 2022 4:26 am

yeah and the kiwi witch is right up albos keizer and “helping”
shes a young WEF grad splains a LOT

ozspeaksup
July 6, 2022 4:11 am

when reality comes to bite your bum?

vboring
July 6, 2022 4:12 am

It’s probably too late to keep the nuclear plants operating.

It takes years to buy nuclear fuel in normal markets. With global supply chain problems, who knows how much longer.

Yooper
July 6, 2022 4:17 am
Tony Sullivan
Reply to  ozspeaksup
July 6, 2022 6:15 am

Good article. Thanks for linking!

Alba
July 6, 2022 4:32 am

Headline in today’s Bild newspaper: Erste Deutsche ohne warmes Wasser.
Der Vermieter von Heinz Matters (95) hat eine Energie-Notbremse gezogen.

R Taylor
Reply to  Alba
July 6, 2022 7:02 am

First they came for the toilet paper. Then for the hot water. Please, noooo, not the blow dryers!

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Alba
July 6, 2022 7:03 am

Ach du lieber! Die erste von vielen Roten Pillen!

BobM
Reply to  Alba
July 6, 2022 8:03 am

Translation?

Jack
Reply to  BobM
July 6, 2022 10:03 am

Oh mon Dieu ! La première des nombreuses pilules rouges !

Gilbert K. Arnold
Reply to  BobM
July 6, 2022 10:32 am

Oh, my god! The first of many Red Pills!

Ethan Brand
July 6, 2022 4:39 am

Blackouts and continued soaring energy costs are the only things that will change this insanity. Governments can hide costs with various schemes, but they can’t print electricity.

France and Russia are the real winners with these insane policies…great for France, catastrophic for Ukraine.

rbabcock
July 6, 2022 5:06 am

You realistically can’t forecast what kind of winter we will have in the Northern Hemisphere at this point but the global cooling that has taken place on average around the globe indicates it just might be one to remember.

With the exception of the temperate zone waters in the Pacific (both north and south), the ocean waters have cooled below “average”. The eastern North Atlantic is below normal as are the waters off Spain towards the US. In fact the only anomalously warmer waters are in the NW Atlantic and they are still cold in actual temperature. After the hurricane season these all could even be colder.

Temperatures above 80N as of this point are just at freezing on average, and the Sun angle starts dropping in earnest in just three more weeks. If we have an early start to cooling which is likely and a setup to pour Siberian and Arctic air in to northern Europe over most of the winter it’s going to be tough. Best of luck to the Germans. Solar won’t give you anything and large Arctic air masses only have wind on their edges.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  rbabcock
July 7, 2022 2:10 pm

well we just had the longest nastiest and freezingest spring I can remember, then suddenly came a whacking great heatwave.

When that north and east wind blows from Murmansk watch out!
It would be great to see what happens in Germany next January when it hits -20C blizzard comes and there’s no solar, or wind.

Oh wait it happened in 1941 with another hair brained chancellor….

The Emperor's New Mask
July 6, 2022 5:41 am

“Elections have consequences.” –Barack Hussein Obama

Personally, I am confused as to why the USA remains a member of NATO. Given that the Europe seems to have voluntarily and willingly placed itself into energy subservience to Russia. What are we defending?

The Emperor's New Mask
Reply to  The Emperor's New Mask
July 6, 2022 7:53 am

Replying to myself. In case anyone has forgotten this timeless classic (posted by the virulently anti-Trump Bloomberg News).

George Daddis
Reply to  The Emperor's New Mask
July 6, 2022 9:59 am

The best part of that video is the snarky bemused looks the ministers in the background are giving DJT for what is now eminently sound geopolitical advice.

DonM
Reply to  George Daddis
July 6, 2022 12:09 pm

does anybody know the names of the 5 snarky bureaucrat monkeys in the background?

It would be great if some journalist were to step up and ask them to reminisce about their reaction to the Trump statements.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  DonM
July 7, 2022 8:27 pm

It indeed would be great to see. ARE there any journalists?

niceguy
July 6, 2022 6:05 am

Tell me again, why do we tolerate the membership of Austria and Germany in Euratom?

mkelly
July 6, 2022 6:10 am

From the article:”…nuclear power plants do not generate heat…”.

Hey Klaus, if true then Germans should not be afraid of meltdowns.

observa
July 6, 2022 6:13 am

Putin’s Law: We’ll just slip coal fired power out of the climate changing for the time being-
Draft law shows Germany plans to revise key emissions target for energy sector (msn.com)

Mike W
July 6, 2022 7:08 am

Sadly, sometimes the best way to find the bottom is to have your head under water.

People aren’t going to pay attention until the bottom is reached. If things are changed at a halfway point, a lot of people don’t learn the correct lesson.

As harsh as this sounds, long term it’s the best method.

Fran
Reply to  Mike W
July 6, 2022 12:06 pm

I agree only harsh reality will serve to wake up the dreamers. But why should I have to suffer all the consequences of green actions when I have never believed the story?

MarkW
Reply to  Fran
July 6, 2022 1:18 pm

According to Dave Fair, the majority has a right to do whatever they want, and if you disagree that’s just too bad for you.

James F. Evans
July 6, 2022 7:44 am

We (the scientifically minded) may have to admit that not only does the Cult of Green want Luddite policy, but Nihilism (an impulse to destroy oneself because life has no meaning) also is at work.

Nihilism is part of the Cult of Green,

Self harm…. this is extremely dangerous… as a form of mass psychology.

It must be stopped for the sake of human survival.

Nick Graves
Reply to  James F. Evans
July 7, 2022 12:33 am

It is said that men go mad in crowds, but only regain their sanity one by one.

  • H.L. Mencken
Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Nick Graves
July 7, 2022 8:29 pm

What a Great! quote.

Diogenese
July 6, 2022 7:51 am

The UK has warned that ceramics, glass and steel production may have to close this winter .

Pat from Kerbob
July 6, 2022 8:40 am

Green politicians are mentally retarded.

Fraizer
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
July 6, 2022 9:50 am

Green politicians are mentally retarded.

FIFY but I will admit that green is a special kind of stupid.

ResourceGuy
July 6, 2022 9:29 am

Let it all fail and reset the system (thinking) later.

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 7, 2022 3:21 pm

Trouble is that once it fails it becomes a damn sight harder to reset the system again.

Jack
July 6, 2022 9:48 am

In 2018 President Trump during a speech at UNO in NY warned Germany about its overreliance on gas and fossil fuels from Russia. The german delegation ironically and blatantly laughed at him.
They’re not at all laughing now: Wood-burning stoves and firewood are in short supply in Germany as citizens fear freezing to death due to gas shortages.They’re Not Laughing Now: Wood-burning Stoves and Firewood in Short Supply in Germany as Citizens Fear Freezing to Death Due to Gas Shortages (thegatewaypundit.com)

Steve Z
July 6, 2022 9:53 am

During the 1980s, West Germany was the undisputed industrial leader of Europe–the three largest chemical manufacturing companies in the WORLD were all German, and Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Volkswagen dominated the European car market. Most of the scientists who made discoveries leading to the nuclear power industry were also German.

The only reason why France was even remotely competitive with Germany during those years was the extensive development of the French nuclear power industry, which enabled France to export electricity to neighboring countries, while enjoying relatively inexpensive power costs. At the time, Electricite de France did not want to bury their nuclear wastes in France, and managed to convince Germany to bury them there!

Since about 2000, Germany seems to be “stuck on stupid” energy-wise, shutting down nuclear power plants and coal-fired plants and promoting solar and wind power in a country where most of the land area is above 50 degrees North latitude, dominated by cloudy weather. Even if CO2 did promote a warming of the climate, such a warming would be welcomed by Germans accustomed to cold, wet weather most of the year.

The idea that “nuclear power plants don’t produce heat” is ludicrous. Nuclear fission releases heat energy, and the reactor temperature is maintained using a jacket containing water or some other cooling fluid, which is then used to generate steam, from which electricity is generated. Coal-fired power plants also use the heat from burning coal to generate steam.

It’s true that nuclear energy is not as well-adapted to home heating as natural gas. But it is still a good idea to use nuclear energy to provide electricity, and save the gas for heating homes through the long, dark, cold German winter, especially after Russia turns off the gas spigot.

July 6, 2022 10:20 am

not a peep from Griff, weird

ResourceGuy
Reply to  bob boder
July 6, 2022 11:59 am

The robo-griff is still being tested for replacement of paid trolls with standardized statements. That is to counter the rising costs of troll networks calling for unions and extra vacation travel to exotic beaches.

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 7, 2022 3:24 pm

Bali appears to be quite popular with those of a certain leftwing trollish mindset.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  Richard Page
July 7, 2022 8:32 pm

Will they get ‘high’ in Bali?

Alec Rawls
July 6, 2022 11:31 am

Converting electricity to heat only takes a $50 electric heater, and if the gas runs out that is exactly what Germans will buy. If only they had some nuclear generation plants to power those heaters they could survive.

niceguy
Reply to  Alec Rawls
July 6, 2022 1:36 pm

A lot of homes in France were built that way, because it’s cheaper to have a 9 kVA (rather than the standard 6 kVA) electric main than to have a gas connection, gas heater, plumbing etc.
When I was young, there was A LOT of pushback against those, as they were viewed as the result of EDF so called culture of “only nuke” (which is made up).
Also, the same people said that it produced a lot of CO2… thinking that all electric heating is the result of too much nuke and also that nukes can’t power these radiators.

The end result is objectively higher power consumption when it’s very cold, and it’s often a problem.

ResourceGuy
July 6, 2022 12:19 pm

Meanwhile….

WSJ
Gas and Nuclear Power Can Be ‘Green’ Under New EU PlanThe European Union voted to include nuclear power and natural gas in the bloc’s list of investments deemed sustainable, clearing the way for the two energy sources to be included in the EU’s so-called green taxonomy.

ResourceGuy
July 6, 2022 2:07 pm

Germany and the EU really didn’t need the German export model for its economy after all. /s

Fraizer
July 6, 2022 2:59 pm

Where are all of our trolls? They have been constantly informing us that Germany doesn’t need FF because they have wind and solar. It has been spectacularly successful and we just need more of it.

Mike Lowe
July 6, 2022 3:07 pm

Time for Ardern in New Zealand to wake up to the Green nightmare, re-open Marsden Point, and restart coal mining. But first, we want an admission of her mistakes, and preferably her resignation. The UN is welcome to her!

Davidf
Reply to  Mike Lowe
July 6, 2022 3:55 pm

We have an election, in roughly 15 months. I hope Ardern and Co. keep going exactly as they are now – because the resulting chaos, and rising outrage over divisive racial aristocracy policies, is likely to bury the Labour/Green cabal for the next 2 decades. Which is about how long it is going to take us to build our way out of the hole she has dropped us in. But at least we may have stopped digging. I hope

scienceone
July 6, 2022 5:35 pm

Nuclear plants have cooling towers. But to avoid going down the wrong path further, if you have nuke plants that have life in them, use them. Retro fit gas energy plants to burn coal or 2nd fuel. Not that hard.

Barry James
July 6, 2022 11:30 pm

That should speed up the elimination of most of those pesky pensioners and make money available for more unreliables. After all, the Green solution to the problem of unreliable production of electricity by unreliables is to “invest” in more unreliables.

Mike Lowe
July 7, 2022 2:47 am

I suspect the Germans will only act sensibly after their power supply fails and many manufacturing plants have to shut down, with consequential serious drop in the German GDP! “Hit them in the pocket” is something they will understand, but even then I bet the stupid Greenies won’t give in. It will be up to the non-Greenies to insist on logical action!

July 7, 2022 4:12 am

https://then24.com/2022/07/04/oscar-lafontaine-opens-nord-stream-2/

““I can no longer hear the whining from Steinmeier, Scholz and others about the social upheavals that will arise if the price of gas triples. “

Tom in Florida
July 7, 2022 4:55 am

I always thought this was humorous but it now looks prophetic:

Bindidon
July 7, 2022 3:41 pm

Dumb As It Gets?
Gosselin’s TricksZone should think a bit before pompously writing such statements.
Germany’s major problems wrt gas is not at all to be viewed in the electricity production.
The two major problems are:

  • gas-powered heaters in private houses;
  • process heat in the industry.

Even keeping 10 nuclear plants working wouldn’t change anything to that.

Electricity is in Germany and anywhere else no more than about 20 % of all energy needed.

Luigi
July 7, 2022 11:19 pm

Germany have voted them. Now they get the reward. Someone speculates that German government deliberately put the land in the arms of Russia. Don’t forget that Schroeder was SPD, Merkel was ex DDR and Scholtz, well…let’s forget it.

Peter Müller
July 8, 2022 1:14 am

USA forced its colony (Germany) not to buy russian gas, that is the problem. All german politicans are part of a network controlled by USA. It is time for a “Tea Party” in germany.

Bill Everett
Reply to  Peter Müller
July 8, 2022 1:36 pm

And all of this to counter a current level of atmospheric CO2 of four hundredths of one percent and a CO2 increase over the past sixty years of only one hundredth of one percent.

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