Official portrait of the 16th Secretary of Energy, Jennifer Granholm (portrait as of June 2021)

Biden Energy Secretary: Buy an EV Peasant!

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr. Willie Soon; Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, who last month pocketed 1.6M exercising share options on an Electric Vehicle company, has suggested people experiencing gasoline pain should just buy an EV.

Biden’s Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm insists high gas prices are ‘a very compelling case’ to buy an electric car: Official is worth $8million and recently exercised $1.6m stock option in electric car company

  • Granholm, in a clip surfaced Tuesday, made the case for going electric amid sky high gas prices 
  • ‘If you filled up your EV [electric vehicle] and you filled up your gas tank with gasoline, you would save $60 per fill-up,’ she said  
  • Granholm made similar points in a White House press briefing in May 2021. ‘If you drive an electric car, this would not be affecting you,’ she said then
  • Granholm, who is worth $8million according to Forbes
  • Last month she also exercised stock options in Proterra, an electric vehicle company where she served as a director
  • She ended up pocketing $1.6 million on the transaction, according to an energy department spokesperson 

By STEPHEN M. LEPORE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 11:39 AEST, 15 June 2022 | UPDATED: 12:34 AEST, 15 June 2022

President Joe Biden‘s Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm became the latest Democratic politician to suggest the solution to high gas prices was to buy an electric vehicle. 

Granholm, in a clip tweeted out by the Republican National Committee Tuesday, made the case for going electric amid sky high gas prices. 

If you filled up your EV [electric vehicle] and you filled up your gas tank with gasoline, you would save $60 per fill-up by going electric rather than using gasoline but it’s a very compelling case, but again, we want to bring down the price at the point of purchase,’ Granholm, the former governor of Michigan, said. 

Her comments come as the national average price for one gallon of gas has skyrocketed to over $5. 

Granholm made similar points in a White House press briefing in May 2021, according to Fox News.

If you drive an electric car, this would not be affecting you,’ she said at the time.

Granholm, who is worth $8 million according to Forbes, recently served as director of an electric car company – and held millions in the firm’s stock.

Last month she exercised stock options in the company, called Proterra, pocketing $1.6million from the transaction, according to an energy department spokesperson. 

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10917667/Biden-Energy-insists-high-gas-prices-compelling-case-buy-electric-vehicle.html

What a charmer – Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm financially benefitted from a company whose value is soaring thanks to a gasoline price crisis which the Biden administration she serves helped to create, via their war on oil pipelines and oil and gas exploration.

No word yet if any of the Biden family serves on the boards of EV companies Jennifer is involved with.

Update (EW): Breitbart reports Biden has instructed Granholm to meet with oil companies, to figure out ways to boost production and reduce gasoline pump prices. This follows on from a letter Biden sent to oil companies, which contained the ominous warning “my Administration is prepared to use all reasonable and appropriate Federal government tools and authorities to increase refinery capacity and output in the near term”. Biden expects oil companies to bring an explanation for their lack of production to their meeting with Granholm.

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John Pickens
June 15, 2022 6:11 pm

And if even 10% of the cars in the US were converted to EV, the electric grid would collapse.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  John Pickens
June 15, 2022 6:30 pm

Do you mean those evil, polluting coal cars?

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Chris Hanley
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 15, 2022 8:50 pm

Ah James Hansen’s ‘death trains’:
“… those coal trains will be death trains — no less gruesome than if they were boxcars headed to crematoria …” (James Hansen 2009).
To which the President and CEO of the National Mining Association responded:
“… The suggestion that coal utilization for electricity generation can be equated with the systematic extermination of European Jewry is both repellent and preposterous …”.

Bryan A
Reply to  Chris Hanley
June 16, 2022 6:24 am

I had to scratch my head at this “Blanket Statement” <blockquote>If you filled up your EV [electric vehicle] and you filled up your gas tank with gasoline, you would save $60 per fill-up by going electric rather than using gasoline</blockquote>
The last time I filled my tank it cost $120 for my Durango and $97 for my Charger. So an EV would cost from $37 – $60 to “Fill up”??

Meab
Reply to  Bryan A
June 16, 2022 8:56 am

Commercial chargers cost 30 cents per kW-hr on average. Take the new Ford Lightning EV pickup as an example. The long-range version has a 130 kW-hr battery. At the going rate of 30 cents per kW-hr on a public charger it takes $40. to charge (charging isn’t 100% efficient). Independent testing shows 2 miles per kWh on the highway so that charge will take you 260 miles (only 170 miles during very cold weather).

That’s cheaper per mile than driving a gas powered pickup at $5 per gallon, but it would take well over 100,000 miles of driving (on public chargers) to pay back the purchase price penalty. By that time your EV battery will have degraded and your used EV and gas vehicles will have depreciated by unknown amounts so a precise comparison is impossible.

Home charging is substantially cheaper, but you still won’t break even for years. Hopefully, by that time Biden will no longer be POTatoUS, and gas will be affordable again.

Trebla
Reply to  Bryan A
June 24, 2022 3:50 am

What she didn’t bother mentioning is the tax-paying citizens contributed to the government rebate on electric cars amounting to thousands of dollars. Also, EVS don’t any pay of the fuel tax included in the price of gasoline. If I were she, I wouldn’t be boasting about it.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Chris Hanley
June 17, 2022 7:38 am

repellent and preposterous

Pretty much applies across the board with the Klimate Krusaders

Hansen
Gore
Mann
Oreskes
Grrrrrreta
Brandon

Jeff
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 15, 2022 9:57 pm

To be fair, coal’s share of electricity production has slid significantly over the years to 21%; natural gas is 38%, nuclear is 18% (though that has been getting mothballed and strongly needs to be considered in our nation’s energy production portfolio).

Gunga Din
Reply to  Jeff
June 16, 2022 11:01 am

Obamas “War on Coal” followed by Brandon’s “War on Fossil Fuel”.
Scrap what works.
Cash in on what doesn’t.
The Elite’s MO.

Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 16, 2022 5:21 am

From now on coal cars must be tugged by all-electric locomotives

MarkW
Reply to  Phil Salmon
June 16, 2022 8:21 am

Most locomotives would qualify as hybrids.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Phil Salmon
June 16, 2022 11:08 am

No.
All wood fired boilers.
Wood isn’t a fossil fuel and doesn’t depend on a fossil fueled or nuclear power grid.
Back to the 4-4-0 steam engines with a tender full of wood.
(Time to go back to clear-cutting forest to keep the economy running!)

Peter
Reply to  John Pickens
June 16, 2022 2:23 am

The grid in two provinces in the Netherlands is already close to collapsing. It is almost at full capacity; it cannot accept/connect any new commercial customers.

It is a combination of issues: the grid was set up decades ago without large upgrades, an increase in commercial activities, EVs and heat pumps, and too many weather dependant (thus highly variable) sources.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/06/limburg-and-noord-brabant-electricity-grid-is-at-full-capacity/

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Peter
June 16, 2022 8:56 am

Well our (the UK’s) wind and solar are supplying the Dutch grid with Oops sorry we’re taking
Dutch ICT 0.82GW (2.35%)
But we’re sending it to France on your behalf
French ICTs -1.95GW (-5.59%)
along with some from coal.
Coal 0.27GW (0.77%)
France has about 17GW of wind installed and the UK over 24GW between them they are producing less than 3GW.

It’s 1,218.29 mi from Lerwick, Shetland to Perpignan, France which gives the lie to the wind is always blowing somewhere, frequently “somewhere” is too far distant to be any use.

John the Econ
June 15, 2022 6:11 pm

“Let them buy EVs”, say today’s Marie Antoinettes of the Democrat party.

James Bull
Reply to  John the Econ
June 15, 2022 11:46 pm

Those who ignore history are forced to repeat it, is one quote that applies lets hope Jennifer Granholm fares better than Marrie Antoinette did when she made such crass statements.

James Bull

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  James Bull
June 16, 2022 7:38 am

I’d rather the people pushing the climate crap fared no better than Marie Antoinette…

Andy H
Reply to  John the Econ
June 16, 2022 12:48 am

This needs a meme

willem post
Reply to  John the Econ
June 16, 2022 2:14 am

EXCERPT from:

POOR ECONOMICS AND MINIMAL CO2 REDUCTION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN NEW ENGLAND
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/poor-economics-of-electric-vehicles-in-new-england

This article describes the efficiency of electric vehicles, EVs, and their charging loss, when charging at home and on-the-road, and the economics, when compared with efficient gasoline vehicles.
  
In this article,

Total cost of an EV, c/mile = Operating cost, c/mile + Owning cost, c/mile, i.e., amortizing the difference of the MSRPs of an EV versus an equivalent, efficient gasoline vehicle; no options, no destination charge, no sales tax, no subsidies.

CO2 reduction of equivalent vehicleson a lifetime, A-to-Z basis = CO2 emissions of an efficient gasoline vehicle, say 30 to 40 mpg – CO2 emissions of an EV
 
SUMMARY
 
Real-World Concerns About the Economics of EVs
 
It may not be such a good idea to have a proliferation of EVs, because of:
 
1) Their high initial capital costs; about 50% greater than equivalent gasoline vehicles.
2) The widespread high-speed charging facilities required for charging “on the road”.
3) The loss of valuable time when charging “on the road”.
4) The high cost of charging/kWh, plus exorbitant penalties, when charging “on-the-road”.
 
High-Mileage Hybrids a Much Better Alternative Than EVs
 
The Toyota Prius, and Toyota Prius plug-in, which get up to 54 mpg, EPA combined, would:
 
1) Have much less annual owning and operating costs than any EV, for at least the next ten years.
2) Have minimal wait-times, as almost all such plug-ins would be charging at home 
3) Be less damaging to the environment, because their batteries would have very low capacity, kWh
4) Impose much less of an additional burden on the electric grids.
 
Hybrid vehicles, such as the Toyota Prius, save about the same amount of CO₂ as electric cars over their lifetime, plus:
 
1) They are cost-competitive with gasoline vehicles, even without subsidies.
2) They do not require EV chargers, do not induce range anxiety, can be refilled in minutes, instead of hours. 
3) Climate change does not care about where CO₂ comes from. Gasoline cars are only about 7% of global CO2 emissions. Replacing them with electric cars would only help just a little, on an A to Z, lifetime basis.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  willem post
June 16, 2022 4:54 am

“Hybrid vehicles, such as the Toyota Prius, save about the same amount of CO₂ as electric cars over their lifetime”

And Toyota uses batteries that don’t spontaneously combust.

If I were going to get a hybrid, it would be a Toyota.

And what’s the advantage to getting a plug-in hybrid over one that doesn’t have to be plugged in? I prefer not to have to connect to the electric grid in order to go places and a non-plug-in hybrid would do just fine. How would a plug-in hybrid be better?

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 16, 2022 8:24 am

The advantage to a plug in hybrid is that when you top off the battery at home, you are able to avoid a small portion of the road taxes that are placed on gas/diesel.

yirgach
Reply to  MarkW
June 16, 2022 1:38 pm

You may be able to “avoid” them now, but that definitely will not be the case in the future.

Bill E
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 17, 2022 2:18 pm

With a plug-in and a garage, you can occasionally avoid having to get gas in bad weather.

ATheoK
Reply to  willem post
June 16, 2022 6:18 am

 Gasoline cars are only about 7% of global CO2 emissions.”

Humans are only responsible for approximately 4% of atmospheric CO₂. That represents all human CO₂ emissions over time, not just emissions for one day or a full year.

Rich Davis
Reply to  ATheoK
June 17, 2022 7:50 am

You know that’s wrong, but I have better things to do than try to convince you.

Pushing that lie discredits skeptics, and it’s wrong-headed to claim it, because our CO2 emissions are beneficial.

It doesn’t matter that most of the excess CO2 in the atmosphere is the consequence of centuries of fossil fuel use. It’s good for life. Claiming that we didn’t do it implies it’s bad.

ATheoK
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 17, 2022 2:28 pm

Nope. 4% is close to the correct amount of total human atmospheric contributions.

If anyone learns a better way to accurately estimate things like total human CO₂ portion of atmospheric CO₂, they might get a better idea.

Instead some desk jockeys cook up estimates based upon their limited knowledge.

The same goes for total carbonates globally.
Total CO₂ emissions from nature.
Total CO₂ uptake by plants, etc. etc. etc.

John the Econ
Reply to  willem post
June 16, 2022 8:20 am

The biggest cost of vehicle ownership is depreciation. EVs cost roughly 50% more than their conventional counterparts and because of depreciation of the battery will likely have half the operational life of a conventional vehicle. Until batteries become cheap (no time soon) total cost of ownership is likely to be at least twice what a conventional vehicle is, if not much more.

ATheoK
Reply to  John the Econ
June 17, 2022 2:33 pm

Batteries will never be cheap.
Key elements necessary for lithium ion batteries are already in short supply.

Expansion of battery usage will use the majority of accessible elements rapidly.

rd50
June 15, 2022 6:12 pm

Very Pretty, Great pair of eyes.

Mr.
Reply to  rd50
June 15, 2022 6:22 pm

And a great snout.
For syphoning the taxpayers’ trough.

Derg
Reply to  Mr.
June 15, 2022 6:36 pm

This ^

Old Man Winter
Reply to  rd50
June 15, 2022 6:43 pm

She’d look a lot prettier if she followed the CDC’s advice:

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Craig from Oz
Reply to  rd50
June 15, 2022 7:55 pm

Don’t be a Simp. She isn’t going to reply to your posts. She isn’t going to follow you back. She isn’t going to LIKE your Twits. She isn’t going to txt you at 0947 and ask if you are free for coffee later.

You are being a Simp.

Do
Not
Simp

Address her actions, not her assets.

rd50
Reply to  Craig from Oz
June 15, 2022 8:32 pm

She has NO actions. She has NO energy assets.
She has no idea or knowledge about energy. Absolute ZERO.
Why do you think she was selected as the Head of the Energy Department?
You know why? Let me know!

H.R.
Reply to  rd50
June 15, 2022 9:36 pm

Embrace the sarc font, rd50.

Now if you had pointed out how great smelling her hair must be, we all would have got it. (Let’s try it and see what happens.)


She must have really great smelling hair to get that position.
😉

Brad-DXT
Reply to  rd50
June 15, 2022 10:36 pm

I think it was her mouth that got her the job.

yirgach
Reply to  Brad-DXT
June 16, 2022 1:41 pm

No, no, no. Someone else has that position.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  rd50
June 16, 2022 7:42 am

To quote an old commercial…

“You know why? – You know why.”

Rich Davis
Reply to  rd50
June 17, 2022 7:53 am

When he says assets, I think he’s referring to something else, but the picture doesn’t go down that far.

Well I have to admit that she’s no Naomi.

Dennis
Reply to  rd50
June 15, 2022 10:08 pm

Yes, she’s got the look.

/sarc.

IanE
Reply to  rd50
June 16, 2022 1:53 am

And the plastic surgeons must have made a packet from her treatments.

Tring to Play Nice
Reply to  rd50
June 16, 2022 8:53 am

You mean a well-Photoshopped picture. She looks better there than 10 years ago.

leowaj
Reply to  rd50
June 16, 2022 9:55 am

rd50, I do photography on the side. Don’t get too caught up on a single image. That portrait has been touched up… significantly. And one need not be a photography to see that. Simply look at the pictures of her on her Wikipedia article.

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paul
Reply to  rd50
June 16, 2022 10:36 am

it’s what’s on the inside that counts & from what I have seen of her, she is rotten to the core.

Rich Davis
Reply to  paul
June 17, 2022 7:57 am

Yep! In that regard, identical to Naomi.

Gunga Din
Reply to  rd50
June 16, 2022 11:11 am

“02/21/2012 05:50 PM EST

Can Steven Chu have a do-over?

President Barack Obama’s Energy secretary unwittingly created a durable GOP talking point in September 2008 when he talked to The Wall Street Journal about the benefits of having gasoline prices rise over 15 years to encourage energy efficiency.

“Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

At the time Chu said that he was not yet Obama’s Energy secretary.
So why did Obama choose him?
PS After he was, he refused to backdown on the comment.”

Do you think Chu was pretty?

Tom Halla
June 15, 2022 6:13 pm

“All you peasants need is a sturdy pair of sandals, anyway. What are peasant scum doing buying gas?”

Ian Johnson
Reply to  Tom Halla
June 16, 2022 4:03 am

Hempen sandals, I presume.

Mr.
June 15, 2022 6:28 pm

Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall in the Democrats’ congressional or senate meeting rooms –
just to pick up all the juicy insider stock trading tips.

I bet that when someone or other exposes a sure-thing million-dollar winner, Nancy pipes up –
“hold my beer . . . “

Zane
Reply to  Mr.
June 15, 2022 7:52 pm

George Soros has NOT left the building! 😃

CD in Wisconsin
June 15, 2022 6:35 pm

This always reminds me of a famous quotation attributed to Marie Antoinette regarding the French peasants:
“Let them eat cake.”

Marie of course was later beheaded during the French Revolution.

drednicolson
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
June 15, 2022 9:17 pm

The ‘cake’ referred to was not the dessert we’re familiar with. It was the excess dough left in the bread ovens after a long day of baking. By the time the bakers cleaned it out at the end of the day, it was blackened and hard enough to chip teeth.

Mr.
Reply to  drednicolson
June 15, 2022 9:38 pm

You mean the dough was “caked on”?

niceguy
June 15, 2022 6:50 pm

“‘If you filled up your EV [electric vehicle] and you filled up your gas tank with gasoline, you would save $60 per fill-up by going electric rather than using gasoline”

You could save even more by cheating on your taxes.
There is a more compelling case for not paying your taxes.

Redge
Reply to  niceguy
June 15, 2022 11:03 pm

only the wealthy can afford to cheat on their taxes

MarkW
Reply to  Redge
June 16, 2022 8:27 am

In the US, the bottom 50% of wage earners pay less than 1% of income taxes.

Last edited 2 months ago by MarkW
D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  MarkW
June 16, 2022 9:14 am

There was a comparison, somewhere in the 2010’s IIRC, of corporate income tax vs individual income tax. In the comparison year, Exxon-Mobil alone payed more in income tax than the bottom 50% of wage earners.

TonyL
June 15, 2022 6:54 pm

Granholm, who is worth $8million according to Forbes

One of the most profoundly unfit people to hold a Federal office.
Except for all the other profoundly unfit people in the LGB maladministration.

That 8 million looks like a lot of money from a governor’s office. But now that she has hit Washington DC, the real money flows.
Write down her net worth. Let’s see what she is worth at the end of her Washington tenure.
Now that will be interesting.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  TonyL
June 15, 2022 9:01 pm

Granholm reportedly holds stock options worth $5 million in electric bus and truck manufacturer Proterra.

ghandi
June 15, 2022 7:13 pm

Jennifer Granholm is a female mobster. She is an organized crime figure living in plain sight and leading our energy plan for the USA off of a CLIFF. She should be investigated for treason.

yirgach
Reply to  ghandi
June 16, 2022 2:04 pm

The queue for the gallows is getting longer every day.

markl
June 15, 2022 7:37 pm

No wonder the Democrats are losing voters. To be told they need something that they can’t afford in order to save money is hard to understand. They say there’s a shift to the right/Republicans being the ‘working man’s’ party. Maybe, maybe not.

Steve Case
Reply to  markl
June 15, 2022 7:59 pm

No wonder the Democrats are losing voters.
________________________________________

They don’t care, they’ve got mules and millions to pay them at $20 a pop to stuff votes in the drop boxes. This time around they will leave their cell phones at home.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Steve Case
June 15, 2022 10:38 pm

They’ll still wear masks and gloves – for safety.

Redge
Reply to  Brad-DXT
June 15, 2022 11:05 pm

all robbers wear masks and gloves for safety

Steve Case
Reply to  Redge
June 17, 2022 1:50 pm

Uhm, that’s his point.

Serge Wright
June 15, 2022 7:47 pm

and recently exercised $1.6m stock option in electric car company”

Wow – she was able to predict the options would benefit from her own policy actions.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Serge Wright
June 16, 2022 2:29 pm

In the old days it was cattle futures for Hillary. That was before Dems invented whole new industry scams to benefit themselves.

Zane
June 15, 2022 7:51 pm

This woman looks like one of THEM. 😀

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Zane
June 16, 2022 4:28 am

Anyone who is a cattle rancher knows that look. Cows with that face are fence jumpers and gate crashes and don’t calve well. They were quickly hamburger on our ranch. This is a look common to the lunatic left. Could be genetic.

Ema
Reply to  Pflashgordon
June 16, 2022 6:49 am

Not one you would turn your back on either. Might even be a dark cutter just out of spite, definitely a Limousin liberal.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Zane
June 16, 2022 11:15 am

“THEM”?
You mean like in the movie “They Live!”?

Old Man Winter
June 15, 2022 8:03 pm

What a racket! First, the greedy greenies destroyed the reliable electric grid & stole mega amounts
of taxpayer $$$ forcing useless & expensive alternate energy down our throats. Then they stole
even more money to create expensive EVs as a substitute for reliable ICE vehicles. To lure us into
buying EVs, they needlessly jacked up the price of gas. With FERC predicting rolling blackouts,
they’ll steal even more money selling us one of these:

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H.R.
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 15, 2022 9:43 pm

That’s a clever solution so long as fuel is available for the generator.

Sturdy sandals futures are UP!

Spetzer86
Reply to  H.R.
June 16, 2022 5:22 am

They don’t need or want generators. They don’t want people wandering around. They don’t ever really want people. At least not people with the idea of freedom. The EV thing is just stop-gap to get the country to the point of complete collapse.

stinkerp
June 15, 2022 8:16 pm

Note to Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm: high gas prices are transitory, just like you. We’ll be removing you and your economy-crushing boss in a couple years. Sooner if possible.

Last edited 2 months ago by stinkerp
Kramer
June 15, 2022 8:18 pm

I love this:

“…last month pocketed 1.6M exercising share options on an Electric Vehicle company, has suggested people experiencing gasoline pain should just buy an EV.”

Tring to Play Nice
Reply to  Kramer
June 16, 2022 9:00 am

A company that make make government funded electric buses for subsidized public transport with very few riders.

lee riffee
June 15, 2022 8:32 pm

When this simpleton says that anyone who drives an EV would not be affected by high oil prices, clearly she has no understanding of where food and all sorts of goods come from. But then again, if you can afford an EV, what’s an extra few hundred dollars a year for food and so many other things having doubled their prices?!

And as for Brandon attacking the oil companies, he (and the rest of his loathsome party) remind me very much of certain kids I remember from my school days. There was one kid who farted and the first thing he did was point a finger at someone, anyone else who was nearby. “Hey, you farted” he’d yell….. which was oh so ironic as he was the source of the stench! But I think most of the other kids saw thru his little tricks, and no doubt a lot of people will see thru Brandon’s attempt to pin the blame.

H.R.
Reply to  lee riffee
June 15, 2022 9:49 pm

lee riffee: “[…] what’s an extra few hundred dollars a year for food […]”

Minor correction: […] what’s an extra few hundred dollars a year week for food […]

It’s coming.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  H.R.
June 16, 2022 9:19 am

We shop at the local megamart, BJ’s. My wife brought home two bags of groceries for $63. Part of that was their usual double chip offering, where you get two family sized chip bags for a reduced price. All the way down to $9!!! You can’t afford high quality food, and now you can’t even afford junk food!

TonyG
Reply to  H.R.
June 16, 2022 11:22 am

It’s here. My family’s food budget is up $400/month over last year.

H.R.
Reply to  TonyG
June 16, 2022 6:06 pm

Ouch! And there’s more pain to come. My best wishes for you and your family. Plant a garden if you haven’t already done so. Every little bit helps.

Spetzer86
Reply to  lee riffee
June 16, 2022 5:23 am

You’ve got to wonder where they’re going to find the EV tractor and combine. Wonder how long one of those would take to charge in the middle of planting/harvest with a storm coming?

John Pickens
Reply to  Spetzer86
June 16, 2022 8:19 am

Oh don’t worry, the tractors, trucks, and combines will come screeching to a halt sooner than you think. (Urea/DEF shortage): https://www.hpj.com/ag_news/diesel-exhaust-fluid-shortage-a-scary-reality-for-the-supply-chain-agriculture/article_f8944ec4-e8c9-11ec-af5e-f348cb6db686.html

Independent
June 15, 2022 8:36 pm

Democrats don’t even bother to hide it, they’re openly pro-corruption these days.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Independent
June 16, 2022 5:00 am

It is about world view. Knowing the logical conclusions of their beliefs, there is no room or reason for conscience. Lie and cheat to get what you want – power, pleasure, prestige, possessions.

The sooner one recognizes this, the sooner you can recognize that you are being lied to and manipulated. They themselves are so enmeshed in such a culture of lies and subterfuge, they are blind to their own ways, each doing “that which is right in his own eyes.” In many respects, they are little different from Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. The only means of apparent cohesion and avoidance of being caught out is to huddle and create uniform grand narratives and talking points. A hive mind. Only don’t get off script or get caught expressing an independent opinion or you will be cancelled (figuratively or literally).

It also means that there is no reasoning, negotiating or compromising with them. All of our discussions here at WUWT are aimed at those who still question or those newly awakened, the seekers. Never will anything convince the Gores, Manns, Pelosis of the world. Government, academia, education, media and NGOs are the breeding grounds and promoters. Neither left nor right, these are gutter views, mired in the sewer.

dk_
June 15, 2022 9:20 pm

One might wonder about the effect of driving a tree spike into a Grantholm-owned Tesla battery pack.
Of course, I didn’t think up this post, I just typed it out.

Louis Hunt
June 15, 2022 9:44 pm

Let’s see… I could take out a loan to buy an electric vehicle and pay $60 dollars a month in interest on the loan. Or I could keep my paid-off gas vehicle, use the $60 to buy fuel, and not go into debt. Tough choice…

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Louis Hunt
June 16, 2022 10:08 am

And having avoided going into debt, you have a far more useful vehicle. BONUS!

Peta of Newark
June 15, 2022 9:44 pm

What an ugly woman and on top of that, I don’t ‘get’ her maths

Sixty dollars
Seemingly gets you 12 US liquid gallons or 45 litres
If that were diesel and in my 2 litre VW Bluemotion would get me about 500 miles driving in the UK. Avoiding tolls, Congestion Charge Zones and finding places with free parking

In the UK, $60 converts to about £50 and would get me about 170kWh electrikery right now

And that would get me about 350 miles in UK driving conditions (endless stop starts, hot, cold, wind, roundabouts, congestion, corners and hills)

So we’re right back to my initial premise on this ‘woman creature’ – which ‘end’ of her is doing the talking here, have we got her upside down in that photo…

Her electric car costs:
500 minus 350 = 150 = 150/350 = 43%
i.e. 43% MORE to run than a German diesel

Of course that wasn’t fair, I mangled US and UK prices
In UK now, 500 miles motoring would cost £80 in diesel
£80 would get 300kWh of electric (domestic price for me now)
and 300kWh would get me 600 miles

So then she’s saying those 100 extra miles are worth $60
In a motor with a big 100kWh battery, that means 3 hours hanging around waiting for it to charge up and 100kW chargers, and the electric from within, don’t come cheap
How many dodgy share dealings could I pull off inside 3 hours?
(Peta’s penny drops – now she makes sense, and becomes even uglier)

edit to PS
Those sums assumed that there is/was any electricery to put in the motor but in the Saudi Arabia of Wind, that is No Problemo

I’ve just checked and UK wind energy production is running now at 1.7GW and solar (05:51BST) is at 0.1GW
About enough to charge 17,000 electric cars

Sorry to interrupt you Granola, sweet sugary & hideously unhealthy, what are the other 29,983,000 cars in the UK going to use for juice?

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Dennis
Reply to  Peta of Newark
June 15, 2022 10:11 pm

It is far more efficient use of fossil fuel to burn petrol or diesel in an internal combustion engine than the burn coal or gas to generate electricity to recharge an EV, noting that most electricity everywhere is not from so called renewable energy sources.

mark leigh
Reply to  Peta of Newark
June 15, 2022 10:52 pm

It is doing my head in ! The number of times we see totally unrealistic/impossible proposals.

On EVs – in the UK , we would need to replace every fuel pump with fast chargers by about 2040. (ICEs banned for now vehicles from 2030, so lets assume a new vehicle bought 2029 runs until 2040.)

Due to the time required to fast-charge( around 20-30 minutes currently), and the negative impact of a line of vehicles, I reckon they should be looking at putting at least 4 charge leads per pump.

In.Every.Fuel.Station.

From Google, evidently we have 2,147 fuel stations. Lets assume an average of 6 pumps currently.

So we need around 52,000 new chargers.

Assuming one week per charger (design, destruct, install, test and commission) then it will take 1,000 weeks to complete the changeover.

That’s about 20 years ……

Just for the fuel stations…..

Then we have the car-parks needing cabling, houses upgrading to three-phase supplies (because single phase 240v takes about 12 hours to charge a car)….the list goes on.

And now let’s do the sums for the generation and grid capacity required …

I love rithmetic!

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  mark leigh
June 15, 2022 11:14 pm

Mark. You don’t understand. You plebs will not have cars, you will go on the the bus, çycle or walk. Only the ‘elite’ will be allowed cars.

Bill Toland
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
June 16, 2022 1:00 am

That has been the plan all along. Greenpeace has been saying this for years.

We don’t just need electric cars, we need fewer cars – Greenpeace International

Spetzer86
Reply to  mark leigh
June 16, 2022 5:59 am

You don’t need that many chargers for the simple reason you won’t be able to provide juice to them all at the same time.

Frank S.
June 15, 2022 10:36 pm

Acc. to Energy Consultant Dave Walsh (War Room) when asked, “How much non-fossil based energy goes into recharging EV batteries?” His answer, “A whopping 12%”.

Doc Chuck
Reply to  Frank S.
June 16, 2022 12:39 am

One of you commenters rather brilliantly summed up earlier this week that the whole ultimately unreliable ‘renewable energy’ enterprise (including all that it takes to produce solar cells, windmills, electrically propelled vehicles, and storage batteries) is in itself a notably inefficient use of fossil fuels, all the while pretending to be that workable alternative to them as nuclear electric generation is systematically ignored.
Of course any delusion becomes possible with oodles of taxpayer dollars readily passed out in the attempt by politicians. So Solyndra was just a herald of much bigger disappointments to come for all the dreamers on the sidelines outside of the money-takers in the process. But then what would a former governor of Michigan be expected to know about the automobile industry that she might (shall we say) bank on with a little added nudging of her own? Not that there is anything wrong with that — as long as nothing at all is ‘wrong’ anymore! I mean where would we get such quaint soaring notions as ethical standards in the service of others from nowadays?

Petit_Barde
June 15, 2022 11:40 pm

Meanwhile in Australia (NSW) the nuts in charge are discouraging the charging of EV in order to deal with the energy crisis they themselves caused to “save the planet”.

Dennis
Reply to  Petit_Barde
June 15, 2022 11:49 pm

Also in Australia a well known investor has announced that one of the mines he has a substantial shareholding in will be changing from diesel engine haul pack trucks to battery electric drive. Apparently the issues being considered include recharging downtime well exceeding liquid refuelling time, electric operating hours lower than for diesel and recharging as there is no electricity grid nearby.

Obviously diesel generators would be required.

Editor
June 15, 2022 11:58 pm

“Biden expects oil companies to bring an explanation for their lack of production to their meeting with Granholm.”. They have no good reason to do that. Jennifer Granholm and Joe Biden won’t listen.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 16, 2022 5:09 am

Advice to oil companies. Don’t open the letters. Just scrawl “FJB” on the envelope and write “Return to Sender.”

James Bull
June 15, 2022 11:59 pm

Maybe she should join the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation marketing devision we know how well it went for them?

“The Encyclopedia Galactica defines a robot as a mechanical apparatus designed to do the work of a man. The marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation defines a robot as “Your Plastic Pal Who’s Fun to Be With. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy defines the marketing devision of the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation as “a bunch of mindless jerks who’ll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes,”
Of course I’m not suggesting a revolution (you have to allow for those who think that because they saw it online it has to be true) but a draining of heavily flooded areas is much needed in many lands, my own UK included.

James Bull

George V
June 16, 2022 4:34 am

I saw a great meme on this topic last week, although it featured Transportation Secretary Buttigieg. It said that Buttigieg has solved the homeless crisis. He says if you can’t afford gasoline, just buy an electric car. Therefore, if you are homeless, just buy a house.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  George V
June 16, 2022 7:57 am

The average car payment in the U.S. is now over $700 per month. I wonder when mortgages are taken out on EVs or will it be forgiven student loans again.

Ed wolfe
June 16, 2022 4:45 am

Amtrak auto train
ev no power disruption in off loading of autos for hours
condo neighbor bought leaf
has to drive five miles to charge
I will take my RAV4 hybrid

Adam Gallon
June 16, 2022 5:04 am

I can just imagine the howls from the Green Blob, should such a public figure advocate the public buy a big, gas guzzler, after buying shares in Ford!

BigE
June 16, 2022 5:10 am

And of course the electricity used to recharge her EV is at zero cost? Does she purposely ignore that there has to be an energy source on the other end of her EV plug in cable and it is being provided by 97% hydro-carbon fuels?

June 16, 2022 5:22 am

Here politics and money are one and the same.
They are synonyms.

June 16, 2022 5:30 am

In the US political sphere does the concept of “conflict of interest” even exist?

paul
Reply to  Phil Salmon
June 16, 2022 11:07 am

only if it benifits the commies, otherwise there is no such thing

Olen
June 16, 2022 7:00 am

Biden sets up barriers to production then sends a threatening letter to producers to find ways to bypass his orders limiting production. And she, who is wealthy, invests in EVs and has the boldness to lecture people on what they should purchase.

Using government to enrich themselves and to force the public into their investments somehow looks illegal and dastardly.

ResourceGuy
June 16, 2022 7:15 am

WH Memo: Jenn, look busy with oil companies and congrats on your stock sale before the EV bankruptcy.

ResourceGuy
June 16, 2022 7:19 am

Hey Jenn, where does aluminum come from and how much electricity goes into making it?

Tesla hikes U.S. prices across car models (cnbc.com)

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
June 16, 2022 7:23 am

If you drive an electric car, this would not be affecting you,’ she said at the time.

Not true; high fuel prices will push up electricity prices. They are a leading indicator of pending increases everywhere else in the economy. The disparity in residential electric prices is greater than gasoline. In Georgia residents pay an average of 12.97¢ per KWh; Californians pay 23.44¢ and Hawaiians pay 34.30¢. Fuel prices are higher in California than Georgia, but they are not double; electricity is.

The July issue of Consumer Reports contains the inexcusably misleading claim that specific electric and plug-in hybrids will save up to $9,000 over 5 years. They base this on comparisons obtained from the site https://fueleconomy.gov. Digging into details there, the savings are “compared to the average 2022 model getting 27 mpg.” This is a meaningless comparison; people don’t decide between one model and “the average 2022 car”. They decide between two or more specific models.

The claim also does not take into account the significantly higher cost to purchase EVs and plug-in hybrids.

Take for instance the Toyota RAV4 Prime plug-in hybrid, which CU claims (echoing fueleconomy.gov) will save $7,000 over 5 years. The calculation assumes driving 15,000 miles each year at today’s national average gas and electricity prices, yielding annual fuel+electricity costs of $1,050 or $5,250 for the first 5 years. The electric operation was assumed to provide 3.5 miles per KWh, which is quite optimistic.

The base model MSRP is $40,300. Assuming $300 to install a dedicated 240V outlet, a 20% down payment and financing the rest at 4.5% over 5 years, the total cost to own (TCO) over that period is $49,673. The 10-year TCO is $54,923. Compare with a straight hybrid RAV4 with MSRP $39,075, 5-year TCO $40,583, and 10-year TCO $49,333. In other words, instead of saving $7,000 over the first 5 years, the RAV4 Prime costs $9,100 more than the RAV4 hybrid.

The case for a full EV is even worse. The Kia Niro EV (MSRP $39,900) touted by CU as saving $9,000 has 5 and 10-year TCO values of $46,985 and $49,985. The Kia Niro hybrid (MSRP $24,690) numbers are $34,532 and $42,032. At the 5 year point, you are $12,450 worse off with the full electric Niro compared with the hybrid.

In reality the disparity is most likely even greater as some states charge sales tax on the purchase price and others charge an annual ad valorem tax at registration, so there is an extra bite to the higher price.

If I personalize the calculation for Hawaii fuel and electric prices ($5.75/gal and 34.3¢/KWh), the Niro EV costs just $200 less per year for electricity than the hybrid model does for gas. I.e., a much higher price for essentially no savings.

ResourceGuy
June 16, 2022 7:31 am

We’ll meet again at $6 gasoline and $140 oil.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 16, 2022 11:14 am

At which point natural gas prices, coal prices, and ELECTRICITY prices will be…

Gordon A. Dressler
June 16, 2022 7:43 am

See, it’s like this . . . Joe Biden promised repeatedly during his campaign to “follow the science”, so why would he want a person lacking in science knowledge/experience such as Jennifer Granholm to head the US Department of Energy? Maybe, just maybe the “science” Biden wants to follow is first caliber junk science.

Summarizing Granholm’s education and career as provided in Wikipedia:
She attended the University of California, Berkeley, graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1984 and then a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law School. She then clerked for Judge Damon Keith of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, became an assistant U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan in 1991 and in 1995 she was appointed to the Wayne County Corporation Counsel. Thereafter, she was a career politician (becoming Michigan’s first female governor), a book author, and most recently a political commentator on TV before being given her current post in the Biden administration.

There is NOTHING in her published listing of education and career experience that indicates she has even rudimentary understanding of what’s involved with the physics, technology and math associated with energy extraction and use and the environmental consequences of such.

Her comment, “If you drive an electric car, this would not be affecting you” reflects her ignorance in spades: she obviously has no idea that the major fuel used currently to generate electrical energy in the US is natural gas (ref: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php ) and that, largely as a result of BIden’s fossil fuel policies, natural gas prices have risen an incredible 270% in just the last year:
— on May 7, 2021 the NG spot price was $3.07 per thousand cubic feet
— on May 4, 2022 the NG spot price was $8.32 per thousand cubic feet
(source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/natural-gas-price-14-year-high/ )

Anyone really believe that the cost of electricity for all uses, not just recharging EVs, is not going up?

Remember the “Peter Principle”? . . . “Members of a hierarchy are promoted until they reach the level at which they are no longer competent.” Well, in this case Ms. Granholm never was.

Jeff Reppun
June 16, 2022 7:54 am

This is the person who should have been monitoring the Oil and Gas industry, noting the pandemic affect, including refinery capacity losses, and been advising the administration on how critical it was for the industry to have access to capital to support the US recovery from the pandemic. Fueling industrial production as well as the trucks, ships, planes and personal vehicles of workers to help the supply side of the recovery in order to mitigate inflation is economics 101.
 
Instead, we get another swamp elitist likely giving thumbs up to the Treasuries push to
hobble an industry so critical to recovery.
 
Can you imagine the impact on the Democrat Party if all high schools had to teach basic
economic principals to students? Think how many more people would see the utter
stupidity of their management of the economy.

Tring to Play Nice
June 16, 2022 8:48 am

She came from a crooked county to be horrible governor (not as bad as Gretchen Whitmer) and now is an inept cabinet member. Typical Democrat.

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CHARLES WADSACK
June 16, 2022 9:37 am

I doubt if there are more than 25,000 EVs in inventory right now. If I buy one, my gasoline powered trade in will be scooped up by someone else. No decrease in demand for gasoline, no change in C02 emissions.

ResourceGuy
June 16, 2022 9:52 am

Well, someone has to uphold the tradition of bad or no energy policy in the U.S. It might as well be a Canadian.

Steve Richards
June 16, 2022 10:00 am

I’m surprised! Do policy makers in the USA remain able to trade shares/stocks when they have a clear conflict of interest?

In the UK, government ministers have to sell or place into a blind trust any shares or stocks until they leave office.

Otherwise the urge to give oneself a ‘secret bonus’ is too much of an urge for some…

JimH in CA
June 16, 2022 10:02 am

We just returned home , north of Sacramento , CA after a trip to the central coast, 380 miles each way.
Our Chevy Malibu got 33 mpg at 70-75 mph , so at $6.30 /gallon, 300 miles used 9.1 gallons and cost $57.30.
A Tesla battery will be nearly fully discharged at 300 miles, so it will need 100 kWhr of recharge. The freeway FastDC chargers are costing $0.59 to $0.69 per kWhr.[ unless they find a tesla supercharger].
So, this is costing from $59 to $69 , similar to, or more that the outrageously priced gas in CA.!

Our local Walmart is charging $5.85 / gal so the 1st part of our trip, 300 miles, cost $53.

Charging an EV at home , in PG&E territory, will be at $0.32- $0.39 per kWhr….so when gas prices eventually return to our ‘normal’ price of $3.00 , the EV will still cost more to drive than my ‘gasser’.

JimH in CA
Reply to  JimH in CA
June 16, 2022 10:15 am

Oh, and we saw only a few Teslas, most driving faster than the other traffic, and 1 Lucid.
However, there was a huge number of trucks on I-5, in both directions; more than we have usually seen. One ‘convoy’ was 20 trucks, and all of them were driving a 65 mph, 10 mph over their 55 mph limit, vs the auto speed limit of 70, with a lot of cars going 80+.

We only saw 2 CHP cars. So maybe the fuel costs are causubf them to reduce their driving ?

Jeff Reppun
Reply to  JimH in CA
June 16, 2022 12:04 pm

With the currrent efforts to constrain capital availability to Oil & Gas industry and the substantial reduction in refining capacity, what makes you think $3 gas will return?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Jeff Reppun
June 16, 2022 2:57 pm

Hope in a hopeless state

JimH in CA
Reply to  Jeff Reppun
June 16, 2022 3:04 pm

If we can return to the previous administration policies; restart the XL pipeline, unlock the exploration of oil, those will indicate the intent to produce more US oil.

Yes, CA is run by a bunch of eco-fools. Only the 10-15 percent of those of us that live outside the liberal cities, are conservative/ libertarians.

James Bull
June 16, 2022 10:04 am

“my Administration is prepared to use all reasonable and appropriate Federal government tools and authorities to increase refinery capacity and output in the near term”.

Yeah that will work use war powers to take over and run the refineries.
We all know how well government run operations work especially oil. Just look at Venezuela their doing a great job.

James Bull

ResourceGuy
June 16, 2022 12:57 pm

Manipulate a startup EV stock before it drops, peasant.

RevJay4
June 16, 2022 2:45 pm

She embodies the attitude of the entire leftist cabal on the planet. She just says it out loud.

June 16, 2022 5:38 pm

Left wing people are by nature not very good at foreseeing consequences of current actions. They think in words not numbers. Buy an electric car sounds great until you do the numbers.

roaddog
June 16, 2022 6:06 pm

“Let them eat lithium.”

observa
June 17, 2022 4:54 am

The peasants have a problem Jennifer-
VW U.S. chief warns of industry challenges with EV battery shift (msn.com)
Nothing for it but to declare a wartime dooming emergency and conscript all those enthusiastic climate changer uni types for the mines and production lines eh?
Gaia needs YOU!

Llanite
June 17, 2022 11:21 am

Granholm asserts that buying an EV is the quickest way for my family to escape current all-time highs in fuel prices.

I assert that voting in November is the quickest way to escape them. Let’s see who wins…

ResourceGuy
June 17, 2022 12:54 pm
Djea3
June 21, 2022 11:16 am

If everyone purchased an electric vehicle we would need an additional 600 oil fired electric production plants. Those plants would burn oil, then produce electricity. That electricity would be delivered by the grid. The electricity would then be converted to DC power, and batteries of vehicles would be charged. Then the batteries would be used to power the electric drive motors of the vehicle. Believe it or not the losses for all these transformations of power are the SAME as if one powered the average vehicle with gasoline.
This means that the POWER COMPANY will be the ONLY purchaser of petroleum and that they will be paid by every person an extra fee to deliver the power, an extra PROFIT.
The Democrats are in BED with BIG power companies! In fact in MOST democrat lead states one can not choose their power company and the monopoly is guaranteed a MINIMUM profit to share holders. The entire idea is to cheat the people steal from us and give us LESS control and choice over our lives.

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