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Bill Gates to Elon Musk: My Climate Virtue is Bigger than Your Climate Virtue?

Essay by Eric Worrall

A bizarre online argument has erupted between Bill Gates and Elon Musk, over who has done the most to prevent climate change.

Bill Gates says he’s given more to climate change than Elon Musk, who replies: ‘Sigh’

Ryan Hogg  
Jun 5, 2022, 7:09 PM

  • Bill Gates told YouTuber HugoDécrypte he gave a lot more money to climate change than Elon Musk.
  • Musk said he refused philanthropy from Gates because of a ‘multi-billion dollar’ bet against Tesla.
  • The Tesla CEO replied “sigh” to Gates’ defense on his climate change record and Tesla bet.

“I give a lot more to climate change than Elon or anyone else,” Gates said. “I give a lot of philanthropic dollars, I back companies – you know electric cars are about 16% of emissions, so we also need to solve that other 84%.”

He added: “But somebody shorting the stock doesn’t slow him down or hurt him in any way.” 

Musk said he refused a philanthropic donation from Gates because the Tesla CEO heard he had a $500 million “short”, or bet, against the company, which Musk said meant Gates wasn’t serious about climate change. 

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Imagine people were working to plug a crack in a dyke or dam wall, to prevent an imminent threat of catastrophic harm. Would the heroes working flat out to fix the problem pause to have an argument over how many bags of sand each hero has hauled? Or would they put necessity ahead of ego, and simply get on with saving people?

My question – how seriously do both of them take the alleged climate emergency?

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Reply to  Steve Case
June 6, 2022 10:30 am

Popcorn would be more nutritious than what this exchange actually is –

June 6, 2022 10:09 am
H. D. Hoese
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 6, 2022 11:34 am

“There has historically been a disconnect between this evidence and policy, says Dr. Wael Al-Delaimy, a University of California, San Diego, epidemiologist who has written books and policy briefs advocating for more attention to climate and disease…..Teasing out how individual climate-fueled problems affect our health will only get harder as floods, heat waves and other disasters happen simultaneously….”

Relationship between climate and disease was understood long before they discovered the causes. Early Medical School in New Orleans, if he knows about the history before models back when they based their successful actions on the facts available at the time. Of course there were unsuccessful speculations.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 6, 2022 4:38 pm

Fun fact I learned today.

Puget Sound Energy generates somewhere around 30% of our electricity from coal. They have ownership in a coal plant in Eastern MT.
Another ~27% from nat gas, about 24% from hydro (much lower than I expected), and about 10% from wind, sometimes. The 2020 pie chart says ~14% “unspecified” which I mapped evenly to coal and gas. Nuke, solar and “other” are each <1%.

And here I thought it was all good, green, hydropower. Cali must have needed more.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 7, 2022 2:21 am

well someones going to get rich

June 6, 2022 10:09 am

“…how seriously do both of them take the alleged climate emergency?” My .02 is Musk is in it just to sell cars to finance his goal of conquering Mars. He’s too smart and technical to believe in CAGW. Gates is only in it to satisfy his credibility with the WEF/Davos/Marxists.

Reply to  markl
June 6, 2022 10:23 am

Gate stole almost every good thong that came out of his company, he’s trying to over come his guilt.

Reply to  bob boder
June 6, 2022 10:38 am

That typo gave me the best laugh in ages.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Oldseadog
June 6, 2022 11:52 am

There are three . . . which one?

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 6, 2022 2:42 pm

I count 5, but who’s counting? 😉

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 7, 2022 2:04 am

Either a small item of underwear or in Aus a flip-flop sandal.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Oldseadog
June 7, 2022 8:05 am

Well, then, I stand corrected on that one. Two more left to go.

Reply to  bob boder
June 6, 2022 10:55 am

The last of the 20th century pirates. I used to think it was software, but I guess it was underware.

Bryan A
Reply to  yirgach
June 6, 2022 11:57 am

Either way it is Soft Wear

Reply to  bob boder
June 6, 2022 4:30 pm

Willy G has no guilt.
He’s at least a sociopath, perhaps a psychopath.
Zero compassion or empathy.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  bob boder
June 7, 2022 5:23 am

I don’t think this is action from guilt, I think it is more theft masquerading as charity.

Reply to  markl
June 6, 2022 10:51 am

Gates is only in it to satisfy his credibility with the WEF/Davos/Marxists.

Which of course includes the UN.

See, all these weasels like Gates inevitably follow Mazlo’s “Hierarchy Of Needs” that compels all of us to ultimately seek


Reply to  markl
June 6, 2022 11:15 am

If Gates had actually stayed in college to finish his degree, he might not have been taken in by the scam. Of course he wouldn’t have stolen an operating system and built an empire with it if he had.

Reply to  markl
June 6, 2022 6:54 pm

Being able to respond to those who might notice the size of the carbon footprint of his server farms is important to Gates. Not unlike Bezos with his overnight deliveries.

Reply to  markl
June 7, 2022 2:23 am

Gates bragged every $ he “donated” earnt him 20 back

Reply to  markl
June 8, 2022 7:30 am

He’s too smart and technical”

He’s neither of those things. When Musk starts speaking in your area of expertise, it becomes obvious to you how little he understands.

Richard Page
June 6, 2022 10:11 am

In 100 years time, even 50, who on earth is going to remember either of them? They won’t even be a footnote in the pages of history.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Richard Page
June 6, 2022 12:37 pm

It could be a case of “last man standing”!

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Richard Page
June 6, 2022 2:54 pm

Elon’s car will still be orbiting the sun from beyond Mars’s orbit!

David Dibbell
June 6, 2022 10:12 am

My question – how seriously do both of them take the alleged climate emergency?”

I suppose both take business very seriously, and both understand that the demand for “climate” action can be supplied at a profit even if the problem is imagined rather than real. Neither has done ANYTHING to change the climate outcome in any way that can ever be isolated for detection by man’s most advanced instruments.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  David Dibbell
June 6, 2022 10:24 am

How very relevant, now that Pride Month has begun. All the corporations race to fly their rainbow flags the highest. Not out of concern for equal treatment of all people, but because this signals their ‘virtue’ to the Twitter mob. I doubt many CEOs really buy the climate clap-trap, but will spend millions of stock owners’ cash to fly the climate concern flag.
I suspect that Gates might buy into the nonsense a bit, but it’s mostly for show. And Musk knows upon which side his bread is buttered.

Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
June 6, 2022 10:58 am

The rainbow flags are not shown in any Muslim countries.
I wonder why not?

Reply to  yirgach
June 6, 2022 11:20 am

They are. The US embassy in Kuwait put one up, but it was taken down after the Ambassador was called into the foreign ministry and read the riot act.

I always said that our State Department would be the most likely cause of the next global jihad. They are mostly ideologically driven rather than real politic.

David Anderson
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
June 6, 2022 11:19 am

I notice they usually leave off the word “gay” when they talk about “Pride Month”. Does that mean we can all participate in one of the 7 deadly sins?

Richard Page
Reply to  David Anderson
June 6, 2022 11:41 am

Not sure but I’m willing to bet ‘Sloth Month’ follows this one!

Just wake me up when ‘Adultery Month’ comes round, would you?

Reply to  Richard Page
June 6, 2022 2:47 pm

I’m a foodie. I’m holding out for Gluttony Month.

Reply to  H.R.
June 6, 2022 2:58 pm

Every month is Craft Beer Month for me. 🍺

Jeff Labute
June 6, 2022 10:13 am

you know electric cars are about 16% of emission

Sounds like we need to get rid of electric cars.

Ron Long
June 6, 2022 10:17 am

I don’t know who their audience is but it’s not me.

Reply to  Ron Long
June 6, 2022 2:51 pm

I care so little I didn’t even read the exchange. I knew the comments would be far more entertaining and I have not been disappointed. Loads of laughs and I’m only halfway through the comments.

So far, the gang here has been in top form. 👍👍

June 6, 2022 10:18 am

Childish or what?

My kung fu is better than your kung fu (The Lone Gunmen)

June 6, 2022 10:18 am

Yes, a monopolistic software update is greener than a gigafactory in Austin. But let’s hear more about the trips with Epstein for full disclosure.

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 6, 2022 11:45 am

Oh of course – did Bill Gates comment come after Elon Musk tweeted about Epsteins contact list being released? As a vague broadside, I think Musk hit home with that one!

Tim Spence
Reply to  Richard Page
June 6, 2022 1:20 pm


Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 7, 2022 2:29 am

gates cruddy win10 saw mil or billions of desktops n laptops thrown out because the program was too demanding for it to run.
same crapola as the billions of fridges freezers extinguishers car aircon etc got tossed while being perfectly good because of “ozone”scam
Ive supplied thrownout pcs etc reloaded with linux to many people who couldnt afford new ones. I get them free I give them away, or I upgrade their own

June 6, 2022 10:23 am

Biden just backtracked on addressing slave labor in western China that makes 60 percent of the solar ingots for silicon solar panels globally in that supply chain. I hope Gates and the rooftop solar lobby are happy now. Out of sight and out of mind slavery is still slavery.

Solar stocks jump after Biden administration announces tariff suspensions (

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 6, 2022 12:04 pm

“I hope Gates and the rooftop solar lobby are happy now.”

Ummmm . . . I do believe Elon Musk, via his holdings in SolarCity’s “solar roof tiles, aka solar shingles” would be part of that same happy solar lobby, and also enjoying the benefits of government subsidies customer rebates for using solar PV technology, no matter how inefficient it is, or how intermittent it is, or how expensive it is on a LCOE basis.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 7, 2022 7:50 am

You have to check the silicon supply chain which is apparently taboo in don’t ask-don’t tell advocacy land these days.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 6, 2022 3:05 pm
the stuff they now can’t deny

Reply to  H B
June 7, 2022 2:35 am

link gave my screens/firewalls a workout but its ok

June 6, 2022 10:28 am

Reading between the lines you can see Gates sucking up to Dems in his comments about Musk. A lot of people attempting to rebuild their reputations are doing the same. When does the Pope attack Musk?

June 6, 2022 10:37 am

> “My question – how seriously do both of them take the alleged climate emergency?”

They both speak the words “climate emergency” but internally process “climate opportunity.”

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
June 6, 2022 3:07 pm

Well Gates is by far the largest land owner in the US. I believe he has plans to to tuft it and glaze it with wind and solar once he gets the inside track for subsidies from taxpayers. You used to have to build a better mousetrap or somesuch to become rich. Archaic what!.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 7, 2022 2:34 pm

My understanding is that Gates is a vegan and very anti-meat. He’d love to shut down cattle ranching in the US and is trying to do so by buying up ranch land.

June 6, 2022 10:44 am

How about Gates looking at how many problems he caused w/ crummy software and OS from MS?

Curious George
Reply to  DrTorch
June 6, 2022 11:13 am

I wonder how climate change is spending Bill Gates’s money.

Richard Page
Reply to  Curious George
June 6, 2022 11:49 am

Well WHO did quite well out of it, even though the rest of us are now, arguably, far worse off.

Reply to  DrTorch
June 6, 2022 11:45 am

I use to enjoy a little sport at lunchtime before I retired. I’d sit at a table of software engineer colleagues and announce that “XYZ” OS sucks. Then I’d sit back and listen to the religious rantings. It really didn’t matter which OS I chose, because they all sucked.

jeffery p
Reply to  DrTorch
June 6, 2022 2:37 pm

In all fairness, Microsoft cut Billy Boy lose years ago because of his creepiness.

OTH, the software is crappy. It’s just not Gate’s fault.

Frank from NoVA
June 6, 2022 10:47 am

What Gates means by ‘giving more to climate change’ is financing Misanthropic Marxist Malthusian schemes that would effectively reduce the Earth’s population (aka, ‘us’) in order to benefit a technocratic elite (aka, ‘them’). At best, he’s a boring nut case, at worst, he’s a dangerous tool of the Davos crowd.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
June 7, 2022 2:37 am

Ill go with option B please

John Endicott
Reply to  ozspeaksup
June 15, 2022 9:35 am

Either/or is a false choice, as both options fit. He’s both a boring nut case *and* a dangerous tool of the Davos crowd.

June 6, 2022 10:53 am

I’ll go out on a limb and say that neither of them have done much, if anything, to affect climate. Not that they haven’t tried.

Reply to  max
June 6, 2022 11:09 am

Their jet contrails probably increase the planet’s albedo.

Climate believer
June 6, 2022 11:10 am

I can’t believe people still think Musk is some kind of genius, the guys a total fraud.

Gates is a megalomaniacal psychopath.

Reply to  Climate believer
June 6, 2022 4:29 pm

Enough of this sucking up to them, Climate believer.

What are their negative traits?

Joe Gordon
June 6, 2022 11:10 am

Bill Gates is a socially inept college dropout who was made a billionaire because IBM’s management did not want to let go of the mainframe/dumb terminal model. He is Greta Thunberg with a wallet.

Elon Musk is simply reaching out with both hands to grab the billions our government is doling out in its religious pursuit of energy obsolescence. Musk is far more dangerous simply because he seems to know what he’s doing and the Democrats genuinely seem to want a world without plastics, fuel and food.

Steve Case
Reply to  Joe Gordon
June 6, 2022 11:37 am

Democrats genuinely seem to want a world without plastics, fuel and food.

Here’s Allen MacRae from ten years ago

jeffery p
Reply to  Joe Gordon
June 6, 2022 2:39 pm

Little known fact, Gates came from wealth. His mother sat on a charity board (I think it was for a hospital) that include a bigwig from IBM.

Would Gates be where he is today with family connections? I don’t know, but he would still be a creepy perv.

David Anderson
June 6, 2022 11:16 am

Sounds like a very well thought out and planned investment.

gave a lot more money to climate change than Elon Musk.

Gordon A. Dressler
June 6, 2022 11:49 am

Question asked in the second-to-last paragraph of the above article:
“Would the heroes working flat out to fix the problem pause to have an argument . . .”

Well, that’s purely hypothetical because I did not see any mention of a “hero” in any of the article’s foregoing discussion . . . only a couple of too-rich businessmen were named.

June 6, 2022 11:53 am

you know electric cars are about 16% of emissions, so we also need to solve that other 84%.”
What percent of cars are ICE and what percent are electric? If all cars were electric, how high would that 16% be compared to ICE? Is that 16% of total emissions or just automobile emissions?

Reply to  Opus
June 6, 2022 8:15 pm

I really think he means something different. My guess is that he is saying ICE emissions are 16% of the total emissions (power plants producing the bulk), so the entire discussion for having EVs is (talking) about (solving that) 16%. It would have been far clearer if the boy wonder had said EVs were about addressing 16% of the emissions.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jtom
June 7, 2022 4:02 am

And Gates didn’t address the issue that producing electric cars increases emissions. You need oil and gas to produce electric cars.

And Gates didn’t address all the environmental/social problems associated with producing electric cars: Mining, Slavery, Death.

And Google makes the laughable claim they have been “carbon neutral” since 2007.

These Virtue Signallers are really good at ignoring some of the facts.

All this CO2 “sound and fury” for all these many years, and still, after all these years, there is no evidence CO2 is doing anything these alarmists claim it is doing.

At some point, all these alarmists are going to look really stupid. Future generations will wonder how so many got it so wrong for so long.

Thomas Gasloli
June 6, 2022 12:06 pm

Think how much CO2 could have been saved if Gates’s operating system had been efficient instead of a glitch ridden hackers dream.

And as for Musk, his solar company was a disaster, and his cars have nothing to do with “climate change” and wouldn’t exist at all in the absence of multiple years of EV subsidies.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
June 6, 2022 12:31 pm

When I was working for one of the zillions of now-defunct companies thriving on the computer connectivity problem (which existed before high-speed internet and cell phones with processors faster and better than the old mainframes), part of my job took me into a dark place where I used some of the “back doors” into Windows that existed so that Microsoft applications like Excel and Word could remain infinitely faster than the perceived competition.

The OS concept is fairly basic and easy to protect. It’s just a file system and a password system. The cryptology knowledge necessary to implement security is known. Your system is protected as long as you don’t share your password, consciously or unconsciously.

One issue today is all those back doors for Microsoft applications. Anti-trust law indicates Microsoft can’t give applications like Excel and Word an advantage. But someone in Microsoft legal apparently understood that if Excel and Word simply use OS “features” that Microsoft refused to document or even acknowledge, then that’s legal. If only because they knew the government regulators didn’t know enough about computers to understand this plan.

The hackers creating and/or using these tools merely understand that our government regulators are still far too inept to realize what’s going on. If Microsoft wanted a secure OS, that could be done. But more money can be made with a system where knowledge isn’t shared and Microsoft continually plays whack-a-mole over all the creative ways hackers find to exploit these undocumented interfaces.

This is why I do my best to turn off all those applications on Windows that are granted file permissions, but aren’t necessary for using the computer. I’m probably still vulnerable if a “good” hacker focused on me, but that’s a very low risk if I’m not running a utility or a bank or one of those million-player game universes.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joe Gordon
June 7, 2022 4:18 am

Yeah, I got Windows XP, learned it, learned how to secure it, had it all down pat, then Microsoft radically changes the software, which causes me all sorts of headaches with security, so I stick with XP, which works perfectly fine, until Microsoft decides it will no longer update XP which now causes XP to be unusable in some situations.

Thanks a lot, Microsoft.

I upgraded to Windows 8, but that’s as far as I’m going with Microsoft. If Windows 8 becomes unusable because of lack of Microsoft support, I’m going to Linux.

Reply to  Joe Gordon
June 7, 2022 5:56 am

Interesting. Can you list some windows applications that you turn off? Or is there a good hacker news site to read about it? Not climate but thanks.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Alex
June 7, 2022 10:28 am

I’m not tuned into the hacker information sites. Probably a bad idea to look for them unless you’re using a virtual network and a computer that doesn’t have anything you care about and isn’t used to access your banking information. There’s a “dark web” where the hackers trade or sell stolen information as well as the tools used to probe for insecure connections. I don’t have the level of knowledge or interest necessary to navigate that safely.

What I do is just go to Settings, then Privacy. From there, you have a list of App Permissions. Each App is essentially a product on your computer that gives you a way to access the internet in some manner. What you use to access the world can, in theory, be used to access your computer from the outside. Those apps are sometimes vulnerable. I just go through that list and turn off everything I can. Sometimes I go too far and something I use doesn’t work any more. Then I have to figure out which service needs a special permission to run something. Like Zoom needs my microphone – that kind of thing. If you have Remote Desktop enabled, be extra careful about permissions.

The bottom line is that marketing and security are often conflicting goals in the software world. Marketers want ways to access you. Microsoft wants more money from marketers. Therefore, there are apps on your computer that probably shouldn’t be there or have “features” that shouldn’t be turned on.

Second thing I do is run NoScript, AdBlock and Privacy Badger on my browser (sorry, WUWT). NoScript is essential for safe browsing and, believe it or not, one really terrible way to screw up your computer is simply to interact with an ad placed through one of the main providers (like Google Ads). They claim they can keep every ad safe, but that’s not the case. Nothing gets permissions through NoScript that I don’t grant. That’s a hassle sometimes, but it works.

There are some more minor things I do that probably don’t matter at all for security, but may help with privacy, that are a little more hacky – like deleting the Microsoft tracking software from the OS (which somehow gets refreshed and turned on with monthly updates). I wouldn’t recommend that kind of thing if you’re not sure exactly what you’re trying to delete.

I also make sure the Microsoft firewall/virus protection is on and working. I trust third-party virus programs far less. Some are basically viruses themselves – get the free version and you need the paid version to get out of the endless “buy me” interruptions.

Finally, just common sense. No bank is ever going to send you an unsolicited email talking about an “important issue” that includes a link for signing in (to the phish site, not the bank, of course). That’s just a phish that wants your account name and password. Create and use secure passwords and don’t use the same password on multiple sites.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joe Gordon
June 8, 2022 4:25 am

“NoScript is essential for safe browsing”

Yes, I’ve used NoScript (for Firefox) for years. It’s a great program.

“Scotty, the Watchdog” (WinPatrol) is a good program to have, too. And it’s free. It has saved my bacon more than once. It won’t let unknown programs execute or make changes to your registry unless you give it permission.

Old Man Winter
June 6, 2022 12:22 pm
Richard Page
Reply to  Old Man Winter
June 6, 2022 1:10 pm

I loved the comment, quite a way down, that mentioned the ‘Maga Carta’ and said we’d all be ‘surf’s’.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Richard Page
June 6, 2022 1:19 pm

“Forget it! He’s rolling”

Bruce Cobb
June 6, 2022 12:34 pm


Bobby K
June 6, 2022 12:36 pm

Hi, I’m here for help. I have questions and am looking for answers. I have a lot of anxiety when it comes to the topic of climate change and am looking to hopefully ease that anxiety due to claims made by the alarmists. I’m hoping there’s someone here I can talk to and let them know of my worries who can hopefully provide a good solid scientific debunking of why the claims are false. I’ve tried on a couple of other posts here and the comments have been mostly assuming I’m a troll or secretly an alarmist and that’s not at all what I’m here for. I’m here because I’m sick and tired of worrying about this and am hoping someone can help, that’s all. Please?

Richard Page
Reply to  Bobby K
June 6, 2022 1:15 pm

Post your questions and see what you get back. One thing I will say, and keep repeating, is that you shouldn’t take anybodies word at face value on this subject – educate yourself, read up on both sides of the argument and make up your own mind on this; never let anybody tell you what you should or should not be saying or thinking. It might take a bit of work to dig into the details, but it will be worth it and you’ll have the satisfaction of being your own person having made an informed decision.

Reply to  Bobby K
June 6, 2022 1:37 pm

If you are serious, here’s all the proof you need that you are being lied to.

The alarmist community has claimed (among many other things) that the rise in sea level is accelerating, meaning that the rate of rise is increasing. If you go to NOAA’s website and look at their tide gauge records you can see that it is obviously untrue, the rate of sea level rise is the same as it was for as long as records have been kept (in some locations before 1900).

Yet NOT A SINGLE alarmist will criticize the claim. Not ONE!

Reply to  ScarletMacaw
June 6, 2022 2:49 pm

California Desalination Plants not approved-One reason given by California Coastal Commission – sites selected will be impacted by Sea Level Rise-

Agency unanimously rejects California desalination project – ABC News (

Reply to  Charles
June 6, 2022 3:19 pm

So just keep pumping it to inland reservoirs faster than it can overwhelm the plant and all should be hunky dory!!!

(I am only about 3/4 sarcastic on that one.)

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Charles
June 7, 2022 4:45 am

“sites selected will be impacted by Sea Level Rise-”

More climate change stupidity which ends up harming the public.

There are a lot of delusional people in positions of power causing harm. Unfortunately, it is not just limited to California.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Bobby K
June 6, 2022 2:02 pm

There is no single-paragraph answer that will allay all your worries, as the fearmongering has been proliferating for decades. Start with the search function at the head of this page and enter a term that concerns you, for example ‘methane’ or ‘ocean acidification’ or whatever, there are hundreds of posts just on this site of any subject you can think of. Also, under ‘bookmarks’ further down the page there are links to other sites that have a wealth of information. But beware, there are links to some alarmist sites too ‘for balance’.. ‘skeptical science’ for example. Alarmist tripe of the lowest order..

jeffery p
Reply to  Bobby K
June 6, 2022 2:47 pm

The answers are out there. Here are some tips, whether the topic is climate change or Covid:

  1. Don’t accept any claim without looking at actual data. People and organizations often make claims not supported by the studies they cite.
  2. Computer models don’t output data.
  3. Computer models used to study climate are unproven. Nobody can show the climate works the way the models assume.
  4. Many so-called studies are done with computer models. No matter the intention of the modelers, the results are not facts and the conclusions are little more than speculations.
  5. Did I mention computer models? They are crap.
Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bobby K
June 7, 2022 4:36 am

“who can hopefully provide a good solid scientific debunking of why the claims are false”

That happens every day on every subject presented here. Just read the articles.

And skeptics are not here to necessarily “debunk” a theory. We are here asking to see evidence that a theory is valid. If no evidence is presented validating a theory, then we presume it is unproven, and say so. This isn’t a debunking of the theory, it is rather holding the theorist’s feet to the fire.

That is the case with Human-caused Climate Change. You must assume that the climate changes because of natural forces (Mother Nature), as it has always done, not human-derived CO2, until proven otherwise. To date, no evidence has ever been found substantiating that human-derived CO2 has caused any noticieable climate change.

Speculation, assumptions and assertions are *not* evidence, and speculation, assumptions and assertions are all the alarmists have. They have no evidence. Alarmists claim to have evidence but when you look closely at what they present you will see it is only speculation, assumptions and assertions, with a little fraud thrown in for good measure. Not good enough. Not evidence.

Reply to  Bobby K
June 7, 2022 8:12 am

Bobby, you have gotten plenty of informative answers to your last post already, aside from those suggesting you are a troll. I suggest you go back and look them over.

Ignoring the positive responses and continuing to ask the same questions will only reinforce the perception that you are a troll. Read what has been suggested, and then come back with more specific questions if you have any.

Bobby K
Reply to  Bobby K
June 7, 2022 1:52 pm

Honestly what I’m really looking for is a good solid scientific debunking of the claims made by Guy Mcpherson. I hate that I worry about it but on sites or videos about him there are so many others who comment that he’s spot on with what he says. That other scientists aren’t looking at the whole picture and that what he says is going to happen. They don’t even say it could happen, they say flat out it’s going to because of positive feedback loops and methane and because of how much the warming is accelerating. I don’t want to worry about this and I hate that I do and I’m so sorry about all of this. I just want to have a good strong feeling that we’re not all going to die in a few years so if anyone could provide something outside of articles found online, some kind of good solid scientific debunking of the positive feedback loops, the methane and near term human extinction I think it would really help. I don’t mean to upset anyone or cause any negativity, I’m just looking for help is all. Thank you

Reply to  Bobby K
June 7, 2022 2:19 pm

Bobby I’ve asked before: what is the evidence SUPPORTING his claims? Not what other people say, but the actual evidence.

Not even the IPCC says anything remotely similar under their MOST drastic scenario.

You have chosen to listen to a panic-monger and have become emotionally invested. You need to step away. And you need to do the reading that has been graciously suggested to you before you really do enter troll territory. Nobody can help you if you’re not willing to do a little work on your end.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyG
June 8, 2022 4:36 am

“You have chosen to listen to a panic-monger and have become emotionally invested.”

I think you are correct.

Bobby should not take these climate change charlatans seriously. They don’t know what they are talking about.

Bobby K
Reply to  TonyG
June 8, 2022 7:03 pm

So I took your advice and decided to google ‘Guy Mcpherson data’ and came across this Climate-Change Summary – Nature Bats Last ( Some of the links listed in that article no longer work due to them being some years old I guess. I started taking the liberty of going through and finding the ones that still do so I could post them here but it is a very long article with tons of links some of which I’ve started to go through. I’ll admit a lot of the wording goes way over my head and I wouldn’t be sure of where to begin trying to do my own research to try and find other research that debunks the alarming claims. I’m going to keep looking but any looking at the article and responding would be greatly appreciated. Just want to show I am taking your advice but do appreciate any input against the article or any of the links in it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bobby K
June 8, 2022 4:33 am

“and because of how much the warming is accelerating”

“The warming” is not accelerating. In fact, the temperaturs are cooling. How does Guy Mcpherson explain that?

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June 6, 2022 12:39 pm

“My question – how seriously do both of them take the alleged climate emergency?”

What is climate emergency other than insanity.
Mainly it’s a future without enough energy.
Space exploration might allow us to have infinite energy.
Gates is not anything regarding space and didn’t solve anything about nuclear power
so, Musk.

We are living in an ice house global climate, and last 2.5 million year of this 34 million years of being in an ice house global climate has been the coldest time of this cold 34 million years.

A climate emergency could be returning to a glaciation period. But if we had a civilization on Mars, having Earth being in glaciation period is not much of a problem.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  gbaikie
June 7, 2022 4:49 am

“But if we had a civilization on Mars, having Earth being in glaciation period is not much of a problem.”

Having a civilization in orbit would be even better, imo. All the advantages of being off the Earth without the disadvantages of living on Mars.

CD in Wisconsin
June 6, 2022 12:47 pm

Out of curiosity, I wonder if Musk actually knows how much raw material will have to be mined from the Earth for EV lithium-ion batteries and the phasing out of ICE automobiles. Has anyone actually asked him? Is that a forbidden question? Does he know the answer? Does he actually think he and other EV makers can phase out ICE cars anytime in the foreseeable future?

CAGW and environmental virtue signaling has become so popular today, it is in process of dumbing us down as a species. When even the rich and famous would rather be riding the virtuosity bandwagon rather than addressing pertinent questions and looking critically at today’s popular beliefs, there is something seriously missing from all the attention they get.

At least Gates is putting serious R & D money into his 4th generation nuclear reactor company, but his belief in the CAGW narrative likely means that he is doing so for the wrong reason. With all of their wealth, Gates and Musk would be getting far more respect from me if they were doing all the right things for the right reasons.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
June 6, 2022 4:46 pm

CD in Wisconsin: I wonder if Musk actually knows how much raw material will have to be mined from the Earth for EV lithium-ion batteries and the phasing out of ICE automobiles.”

I’m actually reasonably certain he does know. But he’s not about to stop making EVs because of that.

A few years back, there were a few articles here, with photos, of acres and acres of undelivered Teslas. I forget the reason (I don’t really care) but just like the Energizer bunny, Musk will keep going and going regardless.

The next opportunity for Mush** Musk is lithium mining. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that’s one of his next ventures.

**That was an honest typo I made and spotted in time, but it was too good to just correct and move on.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  H.R.
June 7, 2022 6:42 am

According to the IEA (May 2022) the price of lithium has increased 250% since the start of the year meaning in total its price has rocketed by almost 750% since Jan 2021.

I’m sure Musk and others will be thinking they need a piece of that!

Don Thompson
June 6, 2022 1:57 pm

Didn’t Gates invest in nuclear technology in
recent years? That might be productive.

Reply to  Don Thompson
June 6, 2022 3:15 pm

only to virtue signal

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Don Thompson
June 6, 2022 7:29 pm


Gates’ nuclear tech development company is called TerraPower:

The word is out that TerraPower will start building its first reactor in Wyoming, ironically in a coal-mining town:

June 6, 2022 1:58 pm

An African American car builder and a pie taster walk into a bar

jeffery p
June 6, 2022 2:33 pm

How about a Social Credit Score like the Communists implemented in China, with the added inclusion of ESG? Then we’d know who has the most climate virtue.

Pariah Dog
June 6, 2022 2:45 pm

I guess that highlights the difference between the two. Bill Gates throws money at companies and then tries to take credit for their (possible) success. Elon Musk rolls up his sleeves and starts his own companies to tackle the issues he thinks need fixing. Neither of which will fix the non-issue of climate change…

Reply to  Pariah Dog
June 8, 2022 7:48 am

Elon Musk rolls up his sleeves and starts his own companies”

Musk was the 4th CEO of Tesla. He sued the board to be called a founder. The company was started by the engineers who created the Tesla car and company after they left GM. Most of his other products are fake or hype to boost stock price.

See a wonderful list of Musk’s BS here at Elonmusktoday

Don Perry
June 6, 2022 2:54 pm

The problem here is that there is no crack in the dam, but they persist in trying to plug the non-existent hole. What a waste for both of them.

Andy Pattullo
June 6, 2022 3:16 pm

So two of the riches individuals on the planet are arguing about who does the most to control the climate. Money does indeed seem to come with a negative impact on common sense. As far as I can tell neither Elon nor Bill control the sun, the movement of the planets, volcanic eruptions, ocean and wind currents, cloud behaviour or the Earth’s albedo. If Bill has indeed spent more on efforts to control the climate than Elon then I would would short Microsoft before Tesla and maybe invest in some other company that isn’t pretending to control the universe.

Peter K
June 6, 2022 3:26 pm

And the winner of the “Sucker Trophy”, is…

June 6, 2022 3:47 pm

What bloody climate change are they talking about?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  toorightmate
June 7, 2022 5:04 am

Good question. It’s all in their feverish minds.

We are witnessing a huge mass delusion encompassing millions of people. All the Voices of Authority in society are leading this charge into CO2/Climate Change delusion. Some because they are truly deluded and some because they see political/monetary reward in following this path.

The one thing they don’t have is evidence that CO2 is a problem. Their demonization of CO2 is unjustified.

June 6, 2022 6:06 pm

During previous glaciations, CO2 change followed temperature change. Since about 1850 CO2 has been increasing with hardly any temperature change. Water vapor has been increasing at 1.44% per decade and can explain all of the climate change attributable to humanity. The WV increase is faster than possible from just temperature increase which rules out that CO2 has caused any warming.

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Reply to  Dan Pangburn
June 6, 2022 7:00 pm

When are we getting summer?

This summer is cold 🥶

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Derg
June 7, 2022 5:07 am

Yes, it is a cool June so far.

I kind of like cooler weather in June around here. Usually we are in the 90’s around this time of year heading for the 100’s. We love La Nina.

Jeff Alberts
June 6, 2022 7:31 pm

Neither has done anything to “prevent climate change”, because it can’t be prevented.

June 7, 2022 1:09 am

Musk is as we say in Britain ‘a bit of a nutter’, isn’t he?

Reply to  griff
June 7, 2022 1:11 am

We also say “It takes one to know one”.

Reply to  griff
June 7, 2022 2:43 am

until hes next to billy then musk looks pretty sane

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
June 7, 2022 5:14 am

Musk says he is going to start voting Republican so I guess he is wising up after the radical Left started attacking him over his Twitter bid. Musk’s eyes have been opened.

It’s never too late to come to your senses. It is beneficial to do so. And if you are the world’s richest man, it is beneficial to a lot of people.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
June 7, 2022 2:25 am

Bill “Gain of Function” Gates. We won’t forget.

UK-Weather Lass
June 7, 2022 3:09 am

Gates did not believe the Internet would catch on, hence the scramble to provide Windows with a third party browser in the nineties. He also believed effective digital rights management to be more important than his earlier pronouncement that he would provide true computer power to the masses when the ill fated Vista was launched. The many ills of earlier Windows versions just never seem to go away no matter what name or number is more recently attached.

What does he know about climate change? It keeps him rich and the same could be said about Musk. If either of them truly believed humans are really doomed by climate change then they would be pushing nuclear and gas to world political leaders at every opportunity rather than cheering on more and more intermittents and closures of vital baseload dispatchers.

Trying to Play Nice
June 7, 2022 5:14 am

Bill Gates only cares about Bill Gates making money and having power.

Michael Marx
June 7, 2022 5:28 am

Just a case of “My schwartz is bigger than your swartz”

John Endicott
Reply to  Michael Marx
June 15, 2022 9:51 am

Gate is Musk’s father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate.
What does that make them?
Absolutely nothing!

Paul Penrose
June 7, 2022 9:52 am

As much as I admire each of them for their achievements (even though I have specific criticisms of certain activities/products), neither of them has done anything to “prevent climate change”. No amount of money from Bill Gates, or electric cars from Elon Musk will ever have even a theoretical affect on the climate. They are both acting like preening peacocks and I wish they’d just stop it; it makes them look so foolish.

Reply to  Paul Penrose
June 8, 2022 9:18 am

Why use peacock for comparison when you can use Al Gore?

June 8, 2022 8:39 am

MS is only scaling down operations in Russia and well after others.

Olavi Vulkko
June 9, 2022 11:08 am

Vast majority of problems of this world is easy to fix.

June 9, 2022 2:39 pm

who cares what billionaires do. They do not have a clue about what ordinary people go through. If co2 is so bad lets ban private jets and huge yachts that spew more co2 tan the average American in a year.

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