Covid Pandemic and Climate Change Facts: Fact Checking the Fact Checkers

Originally posted at Forbes

Tilak Doshi Contributor
Energy
I analyze energy economics and related public policy issues.

Fact checking is a growth industry. According to the latest annual fact-checking census compiled in October 2019 by Duke Reporters’ Lab, there are at least 210 fact-checking platforms currently working in 68 countries. This nearly quintuples the number offered by the first edition of the same census released in 2014. Fact checking the news is important business.

Most people – from the humble farmer in the dusty villages of Asia and Africa to the hot-shot ‘masters of the universe’ in Wall Street – own mobile phones and have ready real-time access (often free, some pay-walled) to news and information carried by the print and social media which permeate the internet. News freely or cheaply available on the mobile phone or the PC is important to livelihoods, from the bid price of the rice crop in the nearest rural wholesale market to share-price quotes on the New York Stock Exchange. And much of it is important to all of us as individuals with concerns about our jobs, our neighbourhoods, our countries and the well-being of family and friends.

Factcheckers: Pastors of the Flock

In the two of the most contentious areas of contemporary affairs – the impact of the covid pandemic and climate change on lives and livelihood – the question of just what the “facts” are remains as elusive to many of us as to our parents and grandparents who grappled with problems of their own times. But they only had access to rumours and perhaps cheap broadsheets available at the nearest street-side corner or the samizdat from underground sources in totalitarian states.

As the priests in pre-reformation Europe who curated the Bible for its true meaning on behalf of their flock of loyal, mostly illiterate believers, today’s factcheckers are self-appointed media gatekeepers. They purport to winnow out the chaff of misinformation and “fake news” from the grain of facts and narrative truth. But are they the guardians of truth and accountability as they claim or are they the enforcers of the reigning political narrative? Are they the arbiters of “consensus science” (an oxymoron) that allegedly encompasses truths about climate change or the covid pandemic? Are they the stalwarts of partisan politics, purveyors themselves of fakery and hype that they claim to combat?

In American society beset by the culture wars and an increasing politicization of life at all levels, it may not come as a surprise that we are witnessing “the downward spiral of the fact-checking profession that is primarily run by politically engaged reporters, not expert specialists in the subjects they assess by any sense of the imagination”.

Covid-19 Pandemic: Some Very Basic Questions

Over two years into the pandemic, some of the most basic questions remain contentious, and even questions of data integrity remain mired in controversy. Are covid deaths over-reported since many may have died with covid rather than of covid? Did lockdowns and masks make any discernible difference to public health? Are there viable early treatments for the disease available or are vaccines approved under Emergency Use Authorization by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) the only way to go? Are covid vaccines safe and effective? To each of these questions, the overwhelming majority of the fact checking sites (or fact checking departments of the legacy media) support the reigning narrative articulated by big pharmaceutical companies, government agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FDA, and key government officials such as Dr. Anthony Fauci. The Biden administration welcomes this, and goes further in calling social media companies such as Facebook to partner with the White House to “fight misinformation” about covid-19.

Experts with impeccable credentials who do not subscribe to the reigning covid narrative are typically marginalized or “cancelled” outright from the media by its “fact-checking” gatekeepers. There are many such examples (here and here) but perhaps the most reported recent case relates to three distinguished authors of the Great Barrington Declaration: Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist; Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist; and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, epidemiologist and health economist.

From emails obtained through the Freedom of Information Act by the American Institute for Economic Research, it became apparent that the U.S. government’s two top public health officials — Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease and Francis Collins, the then-director of the National Institutes of Health – had no intentions to communicate or publicly debate with the authors of the Declaration. Instead, as an editorial opinion of a major newspaper put it, “the two sainted public-health officials schemed to quash dissenting views”.

In what would seem to be a shocking statement by a government official whose mantra is “follow the science”, Dr. Collins wrote in an email: “This proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists . . . seems to be getting a lot of attention – and even a co-signature from Nobel Prize winner Mike Leavitt at Stanford. There needs to be a quick and devastating published take down of its premises…Is it underway?”

Calling three highly-published experts from the world’s leading universities “fringe epidemiologists” is more a reflection of the accuser than the accused. Collins then spoke with the Washington Post and charged that the Declaration is “not mainstream science…its dangerous”. According to the emails, Dr. Fauci – who argues that his detractors are “anti-science” because, in his words, “I represent science”— replied that the “takedown” was underway in an article by Wired, a ‘tech’ magazine. The author of the article is “senior writer, climate” for the magazine with an Oxford University degree in the English language and literature.

Climate Change: A Decades-Old Debate

Like the media coverage of covid-19, climate change headlines in the mainstream media for the past three decades have been overwhelmingly one-sided. The basic premise is that the “science is settled” as in a tweet by then U.S. President Barack Obama in 2013: “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: climate change is real, man-made and dangerous” with the obvious subtext: “Who are you to challenge this?” And, as in the covid-19 context, the marginalization of climate sceptics has a long track record.

Two examples suffice how fact checks and editorializing serve to ensure that sceptics need not apply for access to the wider public. The first relates to the London-based BBC, fondly known as “beebs”, for its authoritative news broadcasts around the world as it emerged from the ashes of World War II. The British media giant was known and praised not only for its balanced news features but also for its nature documentaries. And in this space, two celebrities with the same first name – David Bellamy and David Attenborough – emerged in the 1970s, directing fascinating TV programs on nature and the environment from every corner of the globe into tens of millions of homes. As British commentator James Dellingpole wrote in his eulogy to Bellamy who died in 2019, “both were superstars…both were well on their way to becoming national treasures.”

Yet, while one, Attenborough, basks in the glow of international fame and is invited to many of the climate conferences as star speaker and delegate, the other claimed he had become a pariah as soon as he rejected group-think on global warming – describing climate change as “poppycock”. Though his climate scepticism killed his media career he remained utterly unrepentant. The BBC itself has made it clear to its staff that it will not invite climate sceptics to its interviews and panel discussions to balance debates because the “science is settled”.

More recently, fact checkers have been busy at their craft with yet another outlier: prominent physicist Steven Koonin, previously Under Secretary for Science under the Obama administration, provost of Caltech and Chief Scientist of BP. He published a book titled “Unsettled: what climate science tells us, what it doesn’t, and why it matters” in 2021 which argued against the prevailing climate alarmist narrative. Prior to its release, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) published a review[1] of the book and this was followed shortly by a “fact check” by a site called “Climate Feedback”. On its website, Climate Feedback describes itself as a “worldwide network of scientists sorting fact from fiction in climate change media coverage. Our goal is to help readers know which news to trust.”

This “fact check” was cited by Facebook in discrediting the WSJ review and the book itself in all user posts which linked to the book review. This was then followed by an editorial by the WSJ which pointed out that while disagreement with the book’s author is par for the course, as all science progresses with disputation, calling such disagreement a “fact check” was a false claim. Dr. Koonin himself then provided a rebuttal in the WSJ.

Factchecks Are Just Mainstream Opinions

Without getting into details about the claims of the so-called factchecker, the key point here is to note the perversions of truth in representing the arguments critiqued in such “fact checks”. Perhaps this is best revealed by the fact that Facebook argued in its legal defence that its cited fact check was “just opinion” when faced by a lawsuit brought by celebrated journalist John Stossel who had posted two climate change videos.

Readers and viewers beware of this peculiar twist to the caveat emptor clause: the “fact checks” used by the mainstream news outlets and social media to police what you read and watch are just opinions.

[1] Full disclosure: This contributor also published a review of Steven Koonin’s book.

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meab
March 27, 2022 10:46 pm

Another well-written article. Tilak Doshi has once again demonstrated his ability to cut through the chaff and present his case in a way that’s very hard to argue with.

Steve Case
March 27, 2022 10:51 pm

They purport to winnow out the chaff of misinformation and “fake news”…
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We used to call “Fake News” bullshit.

alastair gray
Reply to  Steve Case
March 27, 2022 11:11 pm

With all fact checkers we must separate the Bull from the Shit and take the Piss out of holy cows

Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 9:49 am

IOW, they check the stories, not the facts. If the story is not PC, then facts must be found to discredit the report.

Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 11:00 pm

I wrote a group of scientists and physicians recently:
“I observed that the Covid and Climate scams used the same Lenin/Goebbels propaganda tactics, and were promoted by the same scoundrels. Having studied Climate (CAGW) since 1985 and published on Climate and Energy since 2002, I was sensitized by the tactics and the blatant lies of the warmist fraudsters.”
 
See this interesting Table comparing the Climate and Covid scams, published by John Droz Jr, American Physicist, and cited here with his permission.
_______________
 
Allan:
Since you sense some similarities between COVID and Climate Change, you’ll probably be interested in the comparison DOCUMENT I put together — there are some twenty parallels!
regards,
john droz, jr.
physicist

Steve Case
March 27, 2022 11:10 pm

Covid-19 Pandemic: Some Very Basic Questions:

Are covid deaths over-reported?
Did lockdowns make any discernible difference?
Are masks effective?
Are there viable early treatments for the disease? 
Are vaccines the only way to go? 
Are covid vaccines safe? 
Are covid vaccines effective?

Of those questions, “Are vaccines safe?” is the important one. I just added a relative to my list of people I know personally who have developed heart palpitations and fainting spells since getting the vaccines and a booster.

Tom.1
Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 12:23 am

Do you have data to show or suggest that COVID vaccines are not safe and effective?

goracle
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 2:00 am

Tom, the jab is not safe… look at VAERS… DMED scandal… UK data (which will soon stop publishing vaxxed vs unvaxxed data because us unwashed idiots could misinterpret that data)… pfuzer FOIA data dump… and to a lesser degree (at least for now) excess deaths… and much other data comparing vax to unvaxxedthat our CDC said they dont publish because “it’s not ready for prime time”

the vax is not effective… look at spiking covid case and death rates in many highly vaxxed countries (mant more than 90% vax rate) that are worse now than when they had lower vax and boosted rates last year

Last edited 6 months ago by goracle
Tom.1
Reply to  goracle
March 28, 2022 2:31 am

I have looked at VAERS deaths. In the US, about 7k people die every day from all causes. So, if you start vaccinating millions of people there are inevitably going to be deaths occurring following vaccinations. A VAERS event does not determine cause of death, only that there was a relationship in time. If the vaccinations cause a high death rate, how do you think they managed to do the clinical trials? Are the pharmaceutical companies lying?

Jay Willis
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 2:46 am

“Are the pharmaceutical companies lying?”

Oh for heavens sake Tom.1 – I was with you up to that point! Are you sure you missed a \sarc tag?

Perhaps you’d like to explain why it took a court order for Pfizer to release the trial data. And why whistleblowers were ignored by the FDA: https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Tom.1
Reply to  Jay Willis
March 28, 2022 7:34 am

Trial data is proprietary information, so any technology company is not going to want competitors to have it. Believing that pharmas are making up clinical trial data requires a conspiracy; not happening.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 9:20 am

I’m sorry, we funded the trials with our tax dollars, congress gave them immunity from lawsuits, and then the govt tried to impose mandatory shots on people. If you don’t think we should see all the trial data, then you are happy to live as a slave.
Also they don’t have to make up data, but they can easily leave out data that doesn’t reinforce the idea that the vaccines were safe and effective.

Mr.
Reply to  Matt Kiro
March 28, 2022 9:58 am

It wasn’t the pharma companies who were / are misleading the public about the efficacy of COVID “vaccines”.

The pharmas only claimed in FDA submissions that their products would mitigate the worst effects of COVID, once contracted.

It was the likes of Fauci et al who pushed the idea that the Pfizer & Moderna “vaccines” would halt transmission and contraction.

Which is now being proven to be abject bullshit – they don’t provide vaccination / immunization at all.
They are just “treatments”, of which there already were many tried & proven varieties.

Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 3:07 am

Every death of vaxxes is one to much, period !

Simon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 28, 2022 11:04 am

And every death saved by those who are vaxed is a celebration of intelligence over stupidity.

Drake
Reply to  Simon
March 28, 2022 11:27 am

65,Diabetic, slightly overweight, not overly active.

Dosed myself with Vit D3, K, etc. during the scamdemic.

Got the China virus, fever for ONE DAY, loss of appetite for 5 days, no loss of sense of smell or taste, but did have a nagging cough for over a week.

Never vaxed. Traveled across the country and back by auto, eating INSIDE wherever allowed by your authoritarian cronies, Simon, and never saw anyone with the Chinavirus.

After what we know NOW, the vax doesn’t stop the spread if the virus, just “helps” those infected to more easily survive. So it is not a vaccination, it is a therapy.

I took Hydroxychloroquine starting when I was exposed. So no BIG BUCKS to the pharm industry for my care.

If Hydrox. and Ivermectin had been ALLOWED for treatment, possibly 1/2 of ALL DEATHS could have been prevented, but the power hungry statists could not, in that case, been able to get congress to spend 6 TRILLION dollars in borrowed money to gift their friends, city and state governments and the Pharm industry.

So the stupidity lives with you, Simon.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Drake
March 28, 2022 12:00 pm

So the stupidity lives with you, Simon.

Oh yeah, you got this right on.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
March 28, 2022 12:00 pm

EcoHealth Alliance, Simon the Zealot?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
March 28, 2022 2:59 pm

Are you in favor of requiring vaccinations in all small children less than 12 years old, Simon the Shill?

Fraizer
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 3:34 am

“…Are the pharmaceutical companies lying?…”

Are their lips moving? Do you really expect any large corporation to tell the truth rather than spin?

Drake
Reply to  Fraizer
March 28, 2022 11:29 am

Only large corporations who believe what he believes. They are all HONEST!

Now any corporation, or person for that matter, who disagrees with Tom 1 are “shirley” not to be trusted.

Trebla
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 4:20 am

According to the results of the placebo controlled, randomized double blind trials of the mRNA vaccines on tens of thousands of individuals, the probability that the vaccines are not effective is in the area about seven standard deviations away from the mean. In other words, “zilch”. But then again, what do they know? I’m sure Trump has data to disprove all that sciency stuff.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Trebla
March 28, 2022 5:27 am

The vaccines came out under the Trump administration. So your libtard remark just shows you are an ignorant idiot.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 28, 2022 9:41 am

The “vaccines” were developed long before Trump. It is all in the patent registrations. They failed on animals which died. then the opportunity came for the drug lords to have 7.9 billion guinea pigs and liars like Fauci got Trump to approve the “injections”. Remember Trump quoted a doctor who was successful in treating covid, but Fauci, the drug lords and media jumped on him. With the treatments based on IVM and HCQ combos the Covid situation should have ended in 2020 as SARS1 did in 2003.

TonyG
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 28, 2022 9:54 am

Trump quoted a doctor who was successful in treating covid

Insufficient data to form a conclusion, but my anecdotal story is that when my family – all 5 of us – got Covid back in January, we all followed the Zelenko protocol (that’s the Dr. mentioned), and the worst any of us suffered was mild sniffles. Without vaccination.

BobM
Reply to  Trebla
March 28, 2022 5:35 am

Trump got vaccinated and recommends it to others.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Trebla
March 28, 2022 5:36 am

Trump has been pro vaccine all of the last two years. He isn’t for making it mandatory though. So I’m not sure why you threw in that last statement

Drake
Reply to  Matt Kiro
March 28, 2022 11:31 am

TDS explains it!

Reply to  Trebla
March 28, 2022 10:29 am

High effectiveness of the vaxxes are proven by the high negative effectiveness 😀

Simon
Reply to  Trebla
March 28, 2022 11:06 am

Mr “it’ll be gone by Easter.” Being Trump he will say he was right when covid is finally gone by Easter 2024

Scissor
Reply to  Simon
March 28, 2022 3:19 pm

I have doubts that covid will ever be gone as it seems like there is a push for boosters to infinity and beyond. HT to Buzz Lightyear.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Trebla
March 28, 2022 11:12 am

TDS alert, level two.

David A
Reply to  Trebla
March 29, 2022 2:40 am

Treble bloviates, “ According to the results of the placebo controlled, randomized double blind trials of the mRNA vaccines on tens of thousands of individuals”

… the vaccinated subjects had HIGHER all cause mortality
… the benefits of the extremely high antibodies disappear within a few months
– the non neutralizing antibodies are legion.
– the potential for ADE and OAS , a known PROBABILITY, was not researched
– the claimed benefit was relatively very small as the risk, even in those that were most vulnerable, is less then 1 percent
– the control group was ruined
– the harms were suppressed
– the adverse events are extremely suppressed and wrongly marginalized.
-the details are hidden and secret

goracle
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 4:33 am

people die every day fro all.sorts ofncauses… but only vax deaths are entered in VAERS…. VAERS is just an indicator.. its not perfect but it does provide a signal as to the trajectory of adverse events associated with a vax… if it works as a signal for other vaccines, then it should work as a signal for covid vac…. we’re currently at @ 25K deaths in VAERS for covid vax… this is 3-4 times higher than all deaths reported in VAERS for all other vaccines COMBINED since the system went online 30-40 yrs ago… you’d think the CDC would be interested in looking into deaths reported in their system to determune if the vax was at fault, but you’d be wrong…. soooo, either all those deaths are lies or there is a strong signal that the covid jab has serious issues…. the vax death rate is not high when u consider the total num of vax given… but it is totally unacceptable when compared to all other vaxxers being given…

part of the issue is there almost ZERO clinical trials… they ran phase 1 and 2 trials nearly simultaneosusly going against FDA protocol… so in short, yes the pharmaceutical companies (pfizer) lied to us because they line the coffers of politicians.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  goracle
March 28, 2022 9:42 am

The CDC is not doing anything because all those organizations are funded and controlled by the drug industry.

RetiredEE
Reply to  goracle
March 28, 2022 12:18 pm

The entries in the VAERS database can be analyzed for causation with the Bradford-Hill (among others) criteria. This has been done and does provide correlation for causation of various serious issues including death. The problem is the Fauchi followers reject the analysis. The mRNA shot is dangerous and not effective.

hiskorr
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:27 am

1) No one should be claiming that the vaccines cause a “high death rate”, high enough to be evident in the hurried, limited “clinical trials”.
2) The rushed “trials” were very selective in whom to include, e.g., no pregnant women or young kids. No long-term follow-up.
3) It’s common knowledge that Big Pharma reports only trial results that are favorable, discarding “clinical trials” that are not successful.

Drake
Reply to  hiskorr
March 28, 2022 11:34 am

Sounds like Climate Science, Ex post facto deletion of inconvenient data is standard for both “industries”, and yes, climate science is an industry, not science.

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:33 am

Is the Covid Vaccine really a Vaccine? If you get the vaccine and can still get sick from contact with the disease and can pass it on to others then it isn’t much of a Vaccine. Imagine if the Polio Vaccine … still allowed you to get Polio and pass it along through social contact. You might not die from it but you still get crippled. Or Small Pox???

Gerry, England
Reply to  Bryan A
March 28, 2022 6:29 am

That’s the old definition of a vaccine. The new one says that it doesn’t stop you getting infected or passing on the infection. It ‘might’ prevent you from dying or getting seriously ill but I have not seen any data on that since to look at this would be an admission that they don’t function as the majority of people would expect.

In the UK they state that the vaccines are safe for ‘most people’ without defining who these people are. To actually find a reason as to why some people die or suffer long term life-changing having been jabbed would again be an admission that there is a problem.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Bryan A
March 28, 2022 9:46 am

It is not a “vaccine”. The FDA still regards it as “gene therapy”. You can google it. You can also find the descriptions in the patent applictions which the media does not check.If you check Dr.David Martin, the injections are really bioweapons and there are criminals that need to be brought to justice.

James B.
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 2:03 pm

The COVID-19 “vaccines” have produced more negative reactions since authorized, than the aggregate negative reactions of ALL other vaccines combined, since modern record keeping was begun.

David A
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 2:27 am

Tom says “ A VAERS event does not determine cause of death, only that there was a relationship in time. If the vaccinations cause a high death rate, how do you think they managed to do the clinical trials?”

VAERS Is DESIGNED to do far more then point at correlations. Most VAERS reports are from medical professionals that know the health history of the patient harmed. Research into VAERS reports have shown that they are VERY legitimate and point to massive vaccine harms, and are likely very very underreported.

Beyond that we now KNOW much of the pathology of harm caused by the vaccine.

The few autopsies done ALL support the vaccines as CAUSE of death in the majority of VAERS reports.

VAERS is further supported by all cause morbidity mortality results.

VAERS is further supported by the insurance industry reports of extreme off the chart increase in excess mortality marching in lockstep with vaccine administration demographics.

The documented suppression of investigation into VAERS by government is awful.

The same people resisting such examination, and refusing to release thousands of vaccinated vs unvaccinated mortality morbidity facts, are the same people that suppressed extremely effective prophylactic treatments for Covid, the same people that pushed useless and likely net harmful face masks, the same people that denied natural immunity, the same people that destroyed millions of jobs, the same people that suppressed the fact that the trials DID show higher all cause mortality in the vaccinated then the control group, the same people that gave the pharmaceutical industry immunity from harm for their poison shots, the same people that received millions of dollars of political support from the pharmaceutical companies, the same people that want to fire anyone refusing to take their poison, and the same people that promote global tyranny, the same people that freeze all monetary assets and means of making a living from those that oppose their tyranny, the same people that believe the planet is overpopulated and support some aspects of eugenics, the same people that think a man dressing like a woman is a woman, the same people that want to teach children sexual deviancy, and the same people that politicize entertainment and ruin, well everything. They have killed millions and harmed billions.

Mark Whitney
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 4:10 am

What data do you have that they are? Most people already have essentially a zero chance of dying from the virus and almost as low a probability of hospitalization without the experimental injection. Most of the people who did die were already dying of something else so at most the virus was the proverbial last nail.
The only justification for mass injection would be that it prevented the spread of the virus, and we know that is not the case. It may indeed have had the opposite effect.
The harm from the injections is indeed as difficult to winnow from background mortality and morbidity, but since the potential harm is largely unknown and therefore infinite, I determined that the potential, largely non-existent benefits of the treatment were far outweighed by those potential risks.
I suggest that it is far more important to be concerned with the levels of Vitamin D and zinc available in one’s system since in any case, a strong immune system is vital.
I am 62 and upon contracting the Kung Flu was only minimally inconvenienced by mild to moderate symptoms. The obsession with magic bullet vaccines has become as absurd as the obsession with a minor gas controlling the climate. And no, I am not anti-vax, I just got the pneumonia wide spectrum injection after careful research and consideration.
As for finding supportive data in the virus /vax debate good luck. I suspect that the Bureau of Medicine will be as reluctant to own up to its mistakes, if any, as are the denizens of the Climat Cartel, and as manipulative of said data.

Reply to  Mark Whitney
March 28, 2022 4:55 am

Most people already have essentially a zero chance of dying from the virus

Right now, I wouldn;t say that too loudly in Hong Kong.

Where thousands are dying from the very strains that you and I are now shrugging off.

You can of course relax in te certain knowledge that if I put a bullet through your heart in a fit of righteous rage, the death certificate in your ideal country will read ‘heart failure’

griff
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 5:32 am

Except for the unvaccinated, who continue to be the majority of hospital deaths among people in hospital for covid (not just with it)

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  griff
March 28, 2022 9:47 am

That is fiction as usual, griff. Most of new cases and deaths in highly vaxxed countries are the “fully-vaxxed”.

Simon
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 28, 2022 11:08 am

That is fiction as usual, griff. Most of new cases and deaths in highly vaxxed countries are the “fully-vaxxed”.” Bollocks. Reference please?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
March 28, 2022 12:05 pm

Israel, Simon the Idiot.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 29, 2022 11:01 pm

Monte the moron. Reference please.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  griff
March 28, 2022 11:14 am

grifffffff reaches deep and pulls out the standard brown stuff.

Israel.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 5:41 am

It’s pretty easy to find data on the internet. According to Reuters “Hong Kong has administered at least 14,530,531 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 96.8% of the country’s population.” And “There have been 722,901 infections and 7,252 coronavirus-related deaths reported in the country since the pandemic began.” That’s about .095% of the population. I think you can speak loudly in Hong Kong.

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/hong-kong/

Scissor
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 28, 2022 9:51 am

Good comment. A health agency in Hong Kong noted that even for the elderly, the covid risk of death was only slightly higher than for the flu.

Interestingly, in Hong Kong, those over 80 at high risk are less than 80% vaccinated. For some reason, they lack trust.

Jeffery P
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:17 am

Define “effective.”

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:34 am

If you ever pay attention to the pharmacudical commercials that flood US media, (sorry I don’t know how it is in other parts of the world) , just about every medication they advertise for, states do not use if you just got vaccinated or are about to be vaccinated. So obviously there is some conflict when you take vaccines. Who knows how many people ignored this when they lined up to get a shot.
As for effectiveness, they might be effective for 90 days, then you need another. And each booster has a shorter range. So they can’t even define how long they are effective. Or the adverse effects of taking these shots every four months.

David A
Reply to  Matt Kiro
March 29, 2022 2:46 am

You will never know if they are effective, for even 90 days, unless all cause mortality morbidity studies are done.
( The overwhelming indications are that the vaccines are immensely harmful)

Tom.1
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 9:47 am

Apparently, having the audacity to ask someone to support their opinion with facts or data is unacceptable to the majority of readers here. Interesting for a science blog.

paul courtney
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 12:52 pm

And the gaslighter stands back to appreciate his work.
Mr. .1, you flatter yourself by describing your dull request for data as “audacity.” It wasn’t. When the top proponents of the jabs say it will stop transmission and the failure of the stuff to stop transmission is there for all to see, data is right in front of you. When you ask to see it, you are treated as a fool by folks who appreciate science. You keep insisting on showing us that you don’t.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  paul courtney
March 28, 2022 2:55 pm

The other eye-opener line was “the unvaccinated are a danger to the vaccinated” that was repeated endlessly. Think about this for second, it is an absurd, implicit admission that the vaccines don’t work as advertised.

Scissor
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:32 pm

If one could extrapolate the results of this study concerning adverse reactions on adolescents, then it could explain the anomalous heart attacks and deaths occurring in athletes.

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00282-7/fulltext#%20

HotScot
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 3:05 am

It’s not up to the public to provide data as to the long term effects of the ‘vaccinations’. It’s up to the government to scrutinise the evidence provided by pharmaceutical companies that their drugs are safe over the short, medium and long term.

So far, that data is notably lacking.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 9:54 am

Excess death statistics puts the lie to the claim that the vaccines are perfectly safe. There is no other explanation why the number of excess deaths among adults up to the age of 65 has increased significantly in 2021 other than the vaccinations.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
March 28, 2022 10:42 am

Have they? In NZ the number of excess deaths dropped by 3000 during 2020-2021. Showing that lockdowns and vaccinations not only prevented people dying from COVID but also from lots of other infectious diseases as well.

Simon
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 28, 2022 11:09 am

Bingo….

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 28, 2022 12:07 pm

14 LA beach life guards had life-threatening heart attacks…

Scissor
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 28, 2022 1:04 pm

Clearly they are out of shape.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Scissor
March 28, 2022 2:52 pm

Too many doughnuts, most likely.

David A
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 29, 2022 2:51 am

Link? 2020 2021, a curious anomaly in a small nation. Exact dates? Flu deaths for those dates? And now, post vaccines??????

HotScot
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 29, 2022 3:07 am

Apparently the only country in the world to enjoy this level of success.

And this doesn’t make you suspicious?

paul courtney
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 28, 2022 12:54 pm

Mr. Carlo: I thank you, but Mr..1 is willfully blind. He comments here to whinge.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  paul courtney
March 28, 2022 2:51 pm

Yes, quite correct.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 29, 2022 11:06 pm

Ahh the Epoch Times. The far right rag for the brain dead.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 2:45 am

More importantly, there is no data demonstrating that the ‘vaccines’ are safe and effective over the long term.

It’s not up to the general public to draw conclusions from insufficient data, it’s the governments responsibility to interrogate the available data and determine if it’s sufficient, particularly when mandating use.

The thalidomide tragedy was instrumental in objective science being used to fully assess drugs use, for which the government is ultimately responsible for oversight and authorisation.

At the bare minimum, pregnant women were not included in the limited clinical trials of mRNA ‘vaccines’. Even had they been, there could have been no conclusions drawn as the trials did not run for, at the very least, the full term of pregnancy.

As a bare minimum, children of ‘vaccinated’ mothers should have been tracked for a period of years. The swine flu vaccination in Europe caused over 1,000 children to develop Narcolepsy which didn’t manifest itself until some years later.

Those who have taken the ‘vaccines’ have played Russian roulette with their lives, their futures and the futures of generations to come.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 12:46 am

I work with at least two people that have experienced heart palpitations after getting the jabs. These two are in their thirties with no previous conditions. By any stretch of the imagination they were in a miniscule risk group but were coerced by Biden’s federal mandate to get the jab or lose their jobs.
I heard it reported that the drummer for the band Foo Fighters had an enlarged heart (myocarditis). I heard that he frequently imbibed with drugs so it may be a mitigating factor. It would be ironic that he did a bunch of shows where the crowd had to show proof of vaccination with that which led to his demise.
I think that cardiologists are going to have their hands full for years to come.
FJB

Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 28, 2022 3:10 am

One with paralysis of the left arm and one with paralysis of the complete left side, both over several weeks in my personal surrounding.

Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 28, 2022 4:56 am

I’d rather have heart palpitations than COVID . It is likely I have had all of them

Scissor
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 7:10 am

A problem is that myocarditis from covid vaccination affects young males disproportionately with concerning rates of acute effects like infarction or death. What cannot be known is the long term effects of mild cases that are not treated or diagnosed.

From the beginning, it’s been known that covid-19 is more dangerous to the elderly and those with existing serious illnesses. The average age of death of a covid-19 victim is over 80 years old in most places.

The current situation in Hong Kong is now very interesting. It’s population is highly vaccinated, certainly more vaccinated than ever before. Yet, cases and deaths are spiking. This is being seen in several countries that previously had low rates of cases and deaths. One possibility is that vaccination is doing what the viruses themselves did not do. The “vaccines” produce a toxic part of the viruses afterall.

The Hong Kong population is relatively old. This is undoubtedly playing a role.

I’m a generally healthy person, not young, but I would describe my case with covid (early in the pandemic) as a mild cold, which I beat in just a couple of days.

The stepdaughter of an ex-BIL of mine passed away in her sleep less than 2 weeks after vaccination. She was in her mid 20’s. Her death was not linked to her vaccination in any way but I am suspicious. No autopsy was performed.

Anyway, my opinion is that young healthy people should live their lives and not worry about covid and don’t get jabbed.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Scissor
March 28, 2022 7:20 am

How are there so many cases where no autopsy is performed on people dying in their 20s – 40s when people are generally their most healthy? That seems very suspicious to me

Scissor
Reply to  Matt Kiro
March 28, 2022 7:50 am

One would think that this topic would be of great interest. Despite trillions spent on various aspects related to CV, very little has been done in the way of post-mortem examinations.

One paper from autopsies of two teenage boys following their second CV vaccination concludes that vaccine induced myocarditis is atypical.

https://meridian.allenpress.com/aplm/article/doi/10.5858/arpa.2021-0435-SA/477788/Autopsy-Histopathologic-Cardiac-Findings-in-Two

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Scissor
March 28, 2022 10:13 am

Another data point would be the statements from funeral employees doing the embalming process that have never seen the amount of blood clots in their clients before.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Matt Kiro
March 28, 2022 9:37 am

You have to request an autopsy which costs a few grand not covered by insurance. Generally, families don’t opt for the extra expense and delay with the grieving process.

Scissor
Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 28, 2022 9:58 am

So much of this comes down to financial incentives that many find perverse. In general, profit at hospitals in the U.S. soared despite their poor performances.

I also find it interesting that even today, there are few public service announcements regarding the benefits of vitamin D supplementation or even losing weight as being beneficial to immune health.

On the contrary, obesity is almost glorified in some social circles.

HotScot
Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 29, 2022 3:17 am

Not in the UK. Any unexplained or suspicious death is subject to an autopsy.

Of course the mere mention of covid as even a complication of death on the death certificate is enough to preclude the need for an autopsy.

However, like almost any other respiratory virus, it isn’t the virus itself which causes the death, its secondary conditions like pneumonia and heart conditions that cause death.

Valuable information on the real consequences of covid have been deliberately and maliciously concealed.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 9:34 am

Heart palpitations are indicative of serious cardiovascular defect.
If you would rather have that than the flu, I question your intelligence and reasoning capabilities.

Scissor
Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 28, 2022 9:54 am

Beating covid could make one stronger, helps future immunity. Heart injury is likely to have the opposite effect.

David A
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 29, 2022 2:53 am

myocarditis Has a fatality rate well over 100 times that of Covid.

HotScot
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 29, 2022 3:11 am

You exemplify the idiotic outlook of the hard of thinking.

Covid has a 99.7% survival rate – amongst those who caught it in the first place, which is a small proportion of any community.

The life expectancy of someone with myocarditis is around 5 years.

DonM
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 29, 2022 3:39 pm

It seems from the tone of your comments that you also rather to make the decision for me, that I have heart palpitations in a vain attempt at avoiding COVID.

joe x
Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 3:26 am

you forgot one steve…are covid vaccines vaccines?

Reply to  joe x
March 28, 2022 3:59 am

“Are covid vaccines vaccines?” NO – they are gene therapies and do not fit the traditional definitions of vaccines. More importantly, they are highly toxic and ineffective and have already killed and seriously injured more people than the Covid-19 virus, and this extreme harm will continue for years. These Covid-19 “vaccines” are crimes against humanity and these crimes are appearing deliberate.- murder and mayhem. 

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Allan MacRae
March 28, 2022 10:45 am

Almost every part of that post is completely wrong. Vaccines are not gene therapies and have been proven safe and effective in multiple countries. In the US almost a million people have died of COVID and I would like to see any evidence that more than one million people have died from vaccine side-effects. That should be fairly easy to find in the statistics.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 28, 2022 12:08 pm

Izaak the Idiot spews out the standard lies.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 28, 2022 1:19 pm

I don’t usually respond to shills, but:

“Are covid deaths over-reported? YES – 16 TIMES TOO HIGH IN THE USA”

I compared Alberta stats to USA stats in late 2021 and my number was 10x, but a more detailed recent analysis calculated 16x.

Last edited 6 months ago by Allan MacRae
HotScot
Reply to  Izaak Walton
March 29, 2022 3:20 am

No one died from covid. If you are witless enough not to understand that deaths were from complications induced by the virus e.g. pneumonia/myocarditis then you deserve all you get.

Simon
Reply to  Allan MacRae
March 28, 2022 11:11 am

 NO – they are gene therapies ” What? This old chestnut. Hello!!!!

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
March 28, 2022 12:10 pm

Injecting a mRNA cocktail that tells your body to manufacture the spike protein isn’t a gene therapy — thanks for the info, Simon the Shill.

Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 28, 2022 1:27 pm

Thank you Monte – you are correct.I may have covered it here: CorrectPredictions.ca
Don’t recall – it’s one of so many issues. Dr Robert Malone is the expert – he (co?)invented mRNA technology and says this is not a suitable application. Malone is highly capable and practical.
Regards, Allan MacRae

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Allan MacRae
March 28, 2022 2:49 pm

Allan, you are quite correct about Dr. Malone. Two other important sources are Dr. Peter McCullough (cardiologist) and Dr. Zev Zelenko (of the Zelenko protocol therapeutic / early treatment fame).

Mark Whitney
Reply to  joe x
March 28, 2022 4:57 am

In a word, no,

Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 3:47 am

Thank you Steve Case.
Based on my 4000+ hours of research on Covid-19, my several articles on the subject and my predictive track record, which is among the best (earliest and most accurate), I can state with confidence:

COVID-19 PANDEMIC: SOME VERY BASIC QUESTIONS:
Are covid deaths over-reported? YES – 16 TIMES TOO HIGH IN THE USA
Did lockdowns make any discernible difference? NO – SEE SWEDEN AND ETC
Are masks effective? NO – AMPLE STUDIES
Are there viable early treatments for the disease? YES – IVERMECTIN IS FAR SUPERIOR TO THE VACCINES, MUCH SAFER AND MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE
Are vaccines the only way to go? NO – VACCINES WERE THE WRONG WAY TO GO
Are covid vaccines safe? NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT
Are covid vaccines effective? NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT
Of those questions, “Are vaccines safe?” is the important one. I just added a relative to my list of people I know personally who have developed heart palpitations and fainting spells since getting the vaccines and a booster. THE COVID-19 VACCINES HAVE KILLED AND SERIOUSLY INJURED MANY MORE PEOPLE THAN THE COVID-19 VIRUS.

References:

SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT
October 20, 2021. Update March 18, 2022
https://correctpredictions.ca/
 
CLIMATE CHANGE, COVID-19, AND THE GREAT RESET – A Climate, Energy and Covid Primer for Politicians and Media March 21, 2021, Update 1e May 8, 2021
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/climate-change-covid-19-and-the-great-reset-update-1e-readonly.docx

Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 4:50 am

Today, in Hong Kong, people are dying of the same strains of Covid that the triple vaxxed are simply shrugging off.

Real science suggests that if a drug reduces deaths the optimal level of it is when it kills as many people as are now dying of the disease. Not that I expect anyone here to understand that.

As I lay in pain in my hospital bed the consultant came round to get me to sign the consent form for the operation…”There is a one percent chance of serious infection or death.” “What happens if I don’t have it?” “You will die”.

It’s called a no-brainer.

As I said to my friend who insists that the Russians have right on their side “Just because it isn’t your own government, doesn’t mean they aren’t lying to you”.

Or in this case “just because it is your own government doesn’t mean they are lying to you”.

It’s clear that lockdown worked and the vaccines worked and are working. That isn’t the issue, the issue is the cost of both in economic and health terms. And how far a government can or ought to go in imposing them on its citizens – even if this time it actually is for their own good…

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 5:45 am

Go read the John Hopkins study on lockdowns where they say the lockdowns reduced deaths by .2%
Meanwhile the destroyed businesses, screwed up child development and education, gave unelected health departments tyrannical powers, forced people to stay home, shot overdoses and suicide rates up, and started inflation rising.
They were completely uncalled for

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 10:06 am

Apparently, you don’t have a good thought process if you think you were given a no-brainer question. Did the thought of asking another doctor for another opinion never occur to you?

You promote authoritarian control of the populace “for their own good”. As if governments have all the answers.

I can’t help but think that you are one of the “inverter” people – ones that you should believe the opposite of what they say.

TonyG
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 11:35 am

”There is a one percent chance of serious infection or death.” “What happens if I don’t have it?” “You will die”

But that’s clearly not the case with vaccine vs. no vaccine. Covid is nowhere near an automatic death sentence, despite the hype. But people certainly are convinced that it is: You have 35% of people believing that over half of those infected will be hospitalized, which is nowhere near the reality.

But, gotta stoke that fear.

Reply to  TonyG
March 28, 2022 2:08 pm

The Covid-19 illness is really only fatal to the very elderly and infirm – I published that conclusion here on wattsup way back on 21March202, about one week into the harmful and ineffective lockdowns. We never needed these lockdowns of the entire population – all they did was HARM. [insert strong expletive here]
 
Published 21March2020 by Allan MacRae:
LET’S CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH:
Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five.
This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.

My above comments are essentially the same as the Great Barrington Declaration by world experts, published 6 months later on 4Oct2021.

Post Script:
I should have written “over 80”, not “over 65”.

Last edited 6 months ago by Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
March 30, 2022 9:37 pm

Correction – 2020
My above comments are essentially the same as the Great Barrington Declaration by world experts, published 6 months later on 4Oct2020.

DonM
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 29, 2022 3:51 pm

As I lay in pain in my hospital bed the consultant came round to get me to sign the consent form for the operation…”There is a one percent chance of serious infection or death.” “What happens if I don’t have it?” “You will die”.

As the ‘consultant’ was walking out of the room a doctor walked in. “So, you have met our forms consultant … he has done very well to make our forms more understandable … it takes a lot less time for people to fill forms and make decisions now.”

As I lay in pain in my hospital bed, I realized was too tired and emotionally invested in my initial decision to complain or ask for a second opinion.

Reply to  DonM
March 30, 2022 11:41 pm

My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion.
He said okay, you’re ugly too.

  • Rodney Dangerfield
Tom in Florida
Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 5:10 am

Most importantly, are COVID tests over sensitive?

HotScot
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 29, 2022 3:24 am

No, just unsuitable for diagnosis, as recited by its Nobel prize winning inventor.

Joao Martins
Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 6:13 am

Steve, allow me to disagree:

The most important question SINCE THE BEGINING, TWO YEARS AGO, is your fourth, “Are there viable early treatments for the disease? “, and its necessary complement: “If there are not, why (were they not researched, etc.)?

Reply to  Joao Martins
March 28, 2022 10:50 am

My physician friend had two Pfizer shots and now has “vaccine regret”. He started getting terrible nosebleeds for the first time in his life, and recently caught the Omicron variant and was very sick. So much for “safe and effective vaccines”.
At my suggestion he took Ivermectin (IVM,12mg/day x 5 days) and was 95% better. He was still easily fatigued so I suggested a further 5 day treatment and by day 4 he was 100% recovered – no more fatigue or nosebleeds. We think he was probably vaccine-injured, but it might have been “long Covid”. In any case he is 100% better.

A registered nurse friend was a similar case – Covid-19 vaccinated, severe vaginal bleeding since then, caught a severe case of omicron variant that lasted for several weeks, much better after five days of IVM but still fatigued. At my suggestion she took ten more days of IVM, fatigue and bleeding stopped,.feels 100% recovered.

Anecdotal yes, but IVM is simple, cheap, no apparent side effects, and it probably worked – made the difference. So why again is it illegal in Canada and the USA?
Don’t bother answering – I know.

Last edited 6 months ago by Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
March 31, 2022 8:07 pm

Looks like my Covid-19 injection “Detox Attempt” was pretty good.
 
https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/spike-protein-detox-guide/
Top ten spike protein detox essentials:

  • Vitamin D 
  • Vitamin C
  • NAC (N-acetylcysteine)
  • Ivermectin 
  • Nigella seed
  • Quercetin
  • Zinc 
  • Magnesium 
  • Curcumin
  • Milk thistle extract

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/03/27/__trashed-9/#comment-3486424
Allan MacRae Detox Attempt:

  • Vitamin D
  • Vitamin C
  • Ivermectin
  • Quercetin
  • Zinc
  • Melatonin

 

M.W.Plia
Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 7:16 am

“heart palpitations and fainting spells”

Happened to me (retired, healthy, fully vaccinated), 3 “episodes” since September, last time one month ago.
Feeling fine, waiting for test results…

Bloods etc.,EKG, Carotid ultrasound, Echocardiogram, Stress test and Holter monitor.

Steve Case
Reply to  M.W.Plia
March 28, 2022 9:45 am

I’m adding you to the list.

Megs
Reply to  Steve Case
March 28, 2022 4:11 pm

I think you’d find this document quite comprehensive Steve.

https://covidmedicalnetwork.com/open-letters/open-letter-to-atagi.aspx

Phillip Bratby
March 27, 2022 11:22 pm

I always assume that the truth is likely to be the opposite of what the BBC fact-checkers state, and so far I haven’t assumed wrongly.

Jay Willis
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 28, 2022 2:46 am

Indeed, otherwise they wouldn’t need them.

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 28, 2022 4:09 am

To summarize, and cut through all the nonsense propaganda:

“MacRae’s Maxim” (published circa 2020):
“VIRTUALLY EVERY SCARY PREDICTION BY GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISTS IS FALSE.”

Supplement:
“MacRae’s Maxim 2” (published 2022):
“VIRTUALLY EVERY PROCLAMATION BY FACT-CHECKERS ON CLIMATE AND COVID IS FALSE.”

To summarize, and cut through all the nonsense propaganda:
 
“MacRae’s Maxim” (published circa 2020):
“VIRTUALLY EVERY SCARY PREDICTION BY GLOBAL
WARMING ALARMISTS IS FALSE.”
 
Supplement:
“MacRae’s Maxim 2” (published 2022):
“VIRTUALLY EVERY PROCLAMATION BY
FACT-CHECKERS ON CLIMATE AND COVID IS FALSE.”
 
Our societies are submerged in a sea of bullsh!t.
The left lie about everything – that is their one true skill set.  

Tom.1
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
March 28, 2022 5:58 am

When you reflexively take positions based on what others say, you effectively become their puppet. Everything should be evaluated based on the merits.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 3:26 am

You mean, like your faith in ‘vaccinations’?

DonM
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 4:00 pm

He did not take a position. He assumed that BBC is wrong, and based on their past record he is comfortable with that assumption.

When there is no record of merit, you can only make the evaluation based on the record of failure.

Your inclusion of ‘reflexive response’ is ironic (as per you current mental state).

Old Man Winter
March 27, 2022 11:24 pm

Drs Fauci & Collins misdirected everyone to believe the Wuhan Flu had
natural origins & conveniently ignored the fact that they approved gain-of-
function research at Wuhan & the virus had a furin cleavage site..

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-and-collins-dismissed-prominent-scientists-who-endorsed-lab-leak-theory-emails-show/

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/comer-jordan-faucis-emails-raise-questions-of-lab-leak-cover-up/

The WSJ said lock downs had no scientific basis but was a Chinese import
that US pols adopted because they panicked. It wasn’t panic but rather the
realization they could have dictatorial powers.

https://www.toptechnicalsolutions.com/covid-lockdowns-were-a-chinese-import/

A 2019 Oxford study- done before the Wuhan Flu- showed neither masks
nor N95 masks were effective against viruses, which are << than bacteria.
(HELP- I can no longer find it in a search). Since then, I have found studies
all over the place & I don’t trust any of them.

Reply to  Old Man Winter
March 28, 2022 3:11 am

Ask Hunter B. for further details…

hiskorr
Reply to  Old Man Winter
March 28, 2022 5:44 am

Re the “lockdowns”: was it purely coincidence that in January, 2020, it was considered impossible to avoid Trump’s re-election with a strong – nae, a roaring – economy?

HotScot
Reply to  Old Man Winter
March 29, 2022 3:28 am

Pre covid WHO pandemic planning explicitly excluded lockdowns.

Then China locked-down, and almost every government in the world followed suit.

Clearly, the WHO is now surplus to requirements.

Steve Case
March 27, 2022 11:34 pm

This well known quote from Mark Twain is appropriate:

“If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed.  
If you read the newspaper, you’re misinformed.”

Tom.1
March 28, 2022 12:21 am

There has been a substantial increase in excess deaths from all causes during the COVID pandemic in the US and most other countries. You can’t really explain this away.
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 (cdc.gov)

ExcessDeaths.PNG
goracle
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 2:13 am

tom, yes. excess deaths have increased. covid virus itself is not the cause of all the increase (especially now with the high vax rates)…. some may be caused by delayed cancer treatments and stuff like that but not all… unless i missed something that causing increased excess desths worldwide, this leaves the vax themselves as a highly probable cause of the spike

Tom.1
Reply to  goracle
March 28, 2022 2:26 am

COVID first appeared in the US in Jan 2020. Vaccines were not started until a year later, so the vaccines cannot be the cause of excess deaths in 2020 can they?

Bob boder
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 2:56 am

What’s the cause after 2020?

Tom.1
Reply to  Bob boder
March 28, 2022 6:01 am

How about people not yet vaccinated.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 11:16 am

Now yer just being idiotic.

HotScot
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 29, 2022 3:30 am

“Now”? Have you seen his previous post’s?

Last edited 6 months ago by HotScot
Carlo, Monte
Reply to  HotScot
March 29, 2022 9:08 am

Good point.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 4:02 am

When covid has a 99.7%+ recovery rate of the few in the population actually infected, that’s highly unlikely.

When the only real variable in the second wave of deaths were the ‘vaccinations’ the inference is obvious and the first place to begin investigations.

But no government is investigating.

You should be more worried about that than the death rates because without investigation we will never know the true causes and be treating any future infections with the zeal of a voodoo practitioner.

goracle
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 4:44 am

not in 2020… but we now have more excess deaths with a 70%+ vax and boosted rate… looks at insurance claims since vax started in jan 2021.. they’re through the roof… only one explanation… it’s the jab itself causing this…

it does not stop you from getting covid, transmitting covid. or going to hospital and dieing from covid… I. believe in the UK more people are currently diing from covid now (with 90% or more of entire population 12 yrs old and older being vaxxed) than the same time last year when almost no one was vaxxed… there are simply not enough unvaxxed to account for this… which is why they will stop publishing hospitalization data based on double vaxxed and boosted rates (it doesnt look good for the vax, you see, so the quick fix is to stop publicizing the data and keep us in the dark).

Last edited 6 months ago by goracle
hiskorr
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:47 am

But the lockdowns can!

goracle
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 8:29 am

how about in 2021? to verify, do you agree that if 2021 (and definitely 2022) excess deaths increase over 2020, then that increases the odds that the vax as the culprit?

HotScot
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 3:56 am

“COVID first appeared in the US in Jan 2020.”

When governments around the world panicked and herded covid infected elderly into care homes where they died en mass, not only from covid induced conditions but maladministered Remdesivir and Midazolam.

Try to think in straight lines.

Reply to  goracle
March 28, 2022 5:00 am

So wrong its scary.

Dont you ever talk to medical staff…seeing 50 people dying every day gasping for breath. Bringing in patients with blood oxygen levels down in the 60s instead of the high 90s?

Cancer doesnt cause that and neither do the vaccines. Lung infections cause that.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 5:49 am

My wife was hospitalized with a heart issue which has gone away and has no explanation. While she was in the emergency room at the hospital I saw nobody gasping for breath, but I did see people waiting on gurneys in the aisles with other issues. If you go to the COVID-19 ward you will se COVID-19 patients. In the general population you will see many other issues.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 5:54 am

When you tell people to take an Advil and stay home if you test positive, instead of giving people proper early treatment , COVID can overwhelm people’s natural immunity especially if you are old, obese or diabetic.
All things that were known in early 2020. Early treatment is important for any disease , but that was thrown out, “don’t come back to the hospital until you are struggling to breathe “is pretty bad medical advise.
If there is an effective treatment, then there is no need for an emergency vaccine. If there is an uncontrolled disease out there then government can have lockdowns. And that’s COVID for you. Scare people and they don’t think rationally

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 10:02 am

They are gasping because they did not get early treatment as highly recommended by the dedicated FLCCC doctors and ignored by the hospitals being influenced by the drug companies and Fauci. Early treatment with combos using IVM and HCQ has been shown to be the best. Check Dr Fareed in California and his success rate.

Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 10:36 am

Omikron doesn’t certaienely not causing Lung infections.

goracle
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 8:24 pm

leo, did I say anywhere xocid does not kill? it does… like the flu does as well. I went to hospital during delta wave… what made me feel better within 1 hr was the 2 bags of saline… I could not breathe deeply due to covid pneumonia and oxygen level at @90. I got better in the same day but they kept me overnight to ensure o2 levels stayed above 94. It was not fun, but neither was the flu in caught @12 yrs ago. I was in bed for 4 days with that. I was never in bed with xocid… just felt tired and worked the entire time from home. I thought I was through the woods after 10 days and went kayaking in ocean with a bunch of friends… the next day I felt like crap and went to hospital by the time 7pm rolled around… have no idea how i went from feeling so sell to feeling so crappy within 24 hrs.

the covid death numbs are absolutely overstated.. some stated have already admitts that @ half of all covid deaths were likely from people who died from something else but treated positive for covid (which is another fiasco considering the ultra high cycle rate of 35-40 that was used in covid testing causing many false positives).

I’m not denying covid or that it dangerous for some people. I am denying the 800K deaths in usa attributed to covid – that’s an overstated lie. I am denying that the vax is safe – it’s not and the DMED scandal proves it… I am denying the vax is effective – it isnt or you wouldn’t be on your 3rd and soon 4th booster in ONE YEAR. Open your eyes… the truth is right in front of you if you are willing to open your mind to just a little.

if you’re vaxxed, u cant undo the past… but dont make it worse… dont take any booster shot… these shots are not doing u any favorites.

HotScot
Reply to  goracle
March 29, 2022 4:15 am

Entirely sensible post.

HotScot
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 29, 2022 4:05 am

I spent the best part of 6 months in hospital undergoing major surgeries over the winter of 2020/2021.

I saw no evidence of a single covid patient in any of the wards I was on nor any discussion of it amongst staff.

Derg
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 3:04 am

Are excess deaths decreasing?

Thanks

Reply to  Derg
March 28, 2022 5:13 am

in places with high vaccination rates, yes, in places which are not vaccinated, no.
Hong Kong is experiencing an extremely high death rate for example.

Here, in the UK, with around 80% double jabbed and 60% triple jabbed tests indicate that upwards of 15% of the population currently has had or has the virus, but there is no massive corresponding increase in hospitalisation any more.

There has been an uptick in cases and in hospitalisations post end of lockdown, but not deaths.

rah
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 5:31 am

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 28, 2022 11:17 am

Have you looked at Israel recently?

Tom.1
Reply to  Derg
March 28, 2022 6:03 am

If you look at the chart I posted or go to the link, you’ll see that for the past few weeks excess deaths are well under normal.

ColdH2O
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 10:11 am

I’ve been following this chart since the start of the pandemic. If you click onto the most recent bars of the chart a window will open. In this window it warns that, “data in recent weeks is incomplete”. It has been my observation that the recent weeks has been low for the past two years but as time passes this number increases as reporting is completed.

Scissor
Reply to  ColdH2O
March 28, 2022 3:33 pm

I think Tom.1 replied reflexively and didn’t look at note that you so nicely cite.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 4:17 am

Probably because they killed off the elderly early in 2020.

griff
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:31 am

It doesn’t need explaining: the excess deaths are people dying from covid.

The excess death spikes correspond to spikes in infections and in the UK closely match covid death stats taken from death certificates collected by the independent Office for National Statistics.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  griff
March 28, 2022 7:29 am

The excess death rate among people from age 20-50 is not explained by covid. So its either the lockdowns or the vaccine.Then there will be the excess cancer deaths to spike because of all the delayed testing and treatment.
And some think people are crazy for asking if the “elites” want to depopulate the world

HotScot
Reply to  griff
March 29, 2022 4:22 am

Typical knee jerk response from you griff.

The first spike was almost wholly the result of the elderly being herded into care homes and left to die.

Subsequent spikes are coincidental with ‘vaccine’ roll outs. That does not mean the ‘vaccinations’ are causing the deaths, but it deserves investigation, which no country is doing.

We are now in the hands of voodoo scientists, just like you.

Edim
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 6:19 am

The excess deaths (in some countries) were caused by panic and hysterical reactions, fear (nocebo), lockdowns and other measures, aggressive and unnecessary ‘cures’ (ventilators, sedatives, antivirals…). It’s actually surprising that so few died considering the insanity of the hysteria. Humans are tough.

HotScot
Reply to  Edim
March 29, 2022 4:23 am

Elderly care home residents were almost wholly the source of the first spike in deaths.

davetherealist
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 9:19 am

There are no such thing as “Excess Deaths” its a made up idea that does not follow scientific rigor. You are wrong to think the spikes are COVID Caused. You leave out massive increases in Suicide, Drug Overdose, Murder, not included in the limited thinking of COVID deaths are the nearly 1 Million Delayed and Skipped Medical Treatments and Diagnostic Screenings. COVID was a bad seasonal flu. Lockdowns did NOTHING as proven by many studies. Mask did NOTHING. This was mishandled by NIH , CDC, WHO on purpose to make Trump look bad. He did his best with Operation Warp Speed, but too little too late.

Scissor
Reply to  davetherealist
March 28, 2022 11:25 am

Good comment. In the long run, deaths/births = 1.

Tom.1
Reply to  davetherealist
March 28, 2022 11:28 am

So they are imaginary, like the greenhouse effect?

paul courtney
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 5:49 pm

Mr. .1: Again with the gaslight? He said “made up”, you said “imaginary.” The last part looks like a professional troll. Beware.

HotScot
Reply to  Tom.1
March 29, 2022 4:25 am

The deaths aren’t imaginary, the causes are unknown. Yes, exactly like the greenhouse effect.

Philip Mulholland
March 28, 2022 12:33 am

BBC, fondly known as “beebs”,

Not by me. I view the BBC with contempt.

Roger Tilbury
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 28, 2022 12:59 am

It is not known as the “beebs” in the UK. It’s the Beeb.
Apart from that, an excellent article.

dodgy geezer
Reply to  Roger Tilbury
March 28, 2022 1:09 am

Known as the ‘Beeb’, due to the brilliant comic Spike Milligan, who used to announnce it in his shows as:

“the Beeb-beeb-a-cee-beeb”

Also known as ‘Auntie’, due to it’s wartime and post-war task of explaining and advising the British on all matters to do with everyday living…

Tilak K Doshi
Reply to  Roger Tilbury
March 28, 2022 5:05 am

Thank you for the correction Roger.

decnine
March 28, 2022 12:40 am

The despicable Beeb’s ‘reporter’ in Moscow recently sneered at President Putin for blocking opposition access to the media. Auntie (the Beeb’s other nickname- She Who Knows Best) has been doing that to climate sceptics for decades. I wonder where Putin got the idea from.

StephenP
March 28, 2022 1:01 am

How would the original hypothesis that helicobacter was a cause of stomach ulcers have survived ‘fact checking’.
The hypothesis was subsequently proved correct by the originator of the hypothesis using himself as a guinea pig.

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Richard M
Reply to  StephenP
March 28, 2022 8:26 am

Eventually, we will add the greenhouse effect as another theory that was completely wrong. The view that the Earth is warmed up an additional 33 C from the top down is wrong. Solar energy is radiatively absorbed (or conducted) to the very bottom of the atmosphere and radiated upward from there.

For example, the vast majority of 15 micron surface radiation (CO2 bandwidth) that makes it higher in the atmosphere cannot be absorbed due to Kirchhoff’s Law of Radiation. It is lost to space.

davetherealist
Reply to  StephenP
March 28, 2022 9:25 am

And Dr. Warren received a Nobel Prize for his discovery and complete change of medical treatment of Ulcers. Guess what side of the COVID debacle he sits on? Firmly on the early treatments and interventions, his company has several studies that all out performed the vaccine to date.

Scissor
Reply to  davetherealist
March 28, 2022 11:27 am

Die, heretic!

HotScot
Reply to  Scissor
March 29, 2022 4:27 am

🤣

rah
March 28, 2022 2:04 am

To heck with the polygraph. Water board them! Or perhaps the wires of a field phone applied to a certain sensitive place and do some cranking. Anything short of taking them up in a helicopter with the side doors open.

Disputin
Reply to  rah
March 28, 2022 4:43 am

I liked being in a helicopter with the side doors open. Mind you, I did have my seat belt firmly fastened.

rah
Reply to  Disputin
March 28, 2022 5:05 am

So did I and did it many times years ago. But I thought that in the context of my post people would know I was referring to the short ride followed by a course in free fall without a chute some Viet Cong, and NVA took in them.

One time after Jump Mastering a Chopper Blast at the DZ at Camp Bolus for our SF medic trainees so they could continue to get jump pay I had to get back to Ft. Sam Houston real quick. The pilot of the Huey was a Major that had been a Chicken Hawk in Vietnam. He told me “Lets see how close we can get to San Antonio without the radar picking us up.

The ride started with a swoop across the DZ pulling up into a Hammer head and coming back down across the DZ at max speed. Then it was nap of the earth up gullies and washes below tree top level. Best chopper ride I ever had except the one on a CH-46 that was taking me out of Lebanon for good.

Geoff Sherrington
March 28, 2022 2:42 am

Some British Medical Journal authors recently checked some aspects of medical facts. Here, with an introduction by Dr John Campbell, are some references. Geoff S

Jay
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 28, 2022 4:43 am

Excellent coverage!! Thanks for sharing this.

Disseminate as much as possible on various media platforms!

StephenP
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 28, 2022 9:02 am

Very interesting presentation.
Helicobacter nowadays treated with a straightforward antibiotic, but not a lot of profit in it for big pharma. Fortunately Marshall and Warren didn’t need a big injection of cash as they experimented on Marshall.

Fran
Reply to  StephenP
March 28, 2022 11:05 am

I have never been able to understand why it is forbidden under current ethics rules to experiment on oneself. Surely the experimenter is the best informed about risks and benefits of an experiment.

StephenP
Reply to  Fran
March 28, 2022 12:25 pm

So presumably it would have been unethical but interesting if a researcher infected themselves with Covid and then treated themselves with Ivermectin.
That would be the equivalent to Marshall infecting himself with helicobacter and then treating himself with an antibiotic.

Scissor
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 28, 2022 11:41 am

I’d say that evidenced based science has also been corrupted, but it seems that evidence is no longer requisite.

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HotScot
Reply to  Scissor
March 29, 2022 4:39 am

That’s what the BMJ article was saying.

Scissor
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 28, 2022 11:43 am

A good video. Having followed him, he’s overcome his biases. His current thinking is proof that once one sees truth, it cannot be unseen.

HotScot
Reply to  Scissor
March 29, 2022 4:44 am

Does that forgive him foregoing evidence based medicine when, and subsequent to the covid breaking out, he personally encouraging people to get vaccinated?

Not really, in my opinion. He’s done a 180º when he eventually figured out the evidence, from his original position when he had no evidence.

He’s as guilty as the rest of them. He influenced million of people who watched his presentations across the world and I daresay many of them got ‘vaccinated’.

No forgiveness from me.

Scissor
Reply to  HotScot
March 29, 2022 5:16 pm

People were both fooled and coerced. In a sense we are all victims.

HotScot
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 29, 2022 4:37 am

John was the very one who was pushing the vaccines all through 20/21, contrary to his recently adopted position of evidence based treatment.

I have yet to see him admit it.

And a word of caution. John has a Phd in Nursing, he’s not a medical doctor. My wife was head of a university department stuffed with them. Almost to a man/woman they all rushed out and got ‘vaccinated’. I persuaded my wife not to. One of her lecturer’s, a 35 year old marathon runner came down with several strokes. Another contracted Bells palsy.

My wife and I have remained unaffected with only the administration of 4,000 IU of vitamin D and 1,000mg of vitamin C daily. No masks, no social distancing and I spent the best part of 6 months over 20/21 in the most infectious environment (allegedly) on the planet, a general hospital, undergoing major surgery.

fretslider
March 28, 2022 3:17 am

[Fact Checking] the Fact Checkers

In English that’s The Narrative Compliance Checkers.

Until recently we were told by the BBC and the Met Office that rain records went back as far as 1910, even though they actually went back to 1862. Cherrypicking? Fitting the facts to a narrative…?

Now the new facts are…

“The UK now has a dense grid of rainfall readings stretching back to 1836. Previously, it was only to 1862”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-60860397

Climate ‘expert’ Ed Hawkins set the new narrative:  “Most of the wet records are more recent”

“When we actually examine the data, we find it is not only baseless, but grossly misleading.”

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/03/26/weather-records-shattered-180-years-ago/

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  fretslider
March 28, 2022 4:38 am

Ed Hawkins, in his case Mandy Rice-Davies Applies (MRDA)

Peta of Newark
March 28, 2022 4:19 am

99 Red Balloons

Disputin
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 28, 2022 5:08 am

Ahh. Nina

March 28, 2022 5:13 am

I have noticed that “fact checkers” are nothing more than a system to make the leftist lies appear to be the truth. The “fact checkers” will sometimes call out their leftist gods for a lie, just to make them seem credible. In other words – “See, we are telling the truth because we said Joe Biden was lying this one time, which means we are objective. Therefore, since we said that science cannot define what a woman is, we are telling the truth.”

In short, “fact checkers” are nothing more than another form of their propaganda.

griff
Reply to  Wade
March 28, 2022 5:28 am

There are no leftist lies: it is just the right’s world view has sometime past ceased to match reality.

fretslider
Reply to  griff
March 28, 2022 5:55 am

“There are no leftist lies”

Because you believe, griff… you believe.

UK based The Guardian ran stories saying the Arctic and Antarctic, had experienced “unprecedented” high temperatures. These claims can’t be verified since they were the results from a set of weather model simulations”

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/03/23/polar-heatwave-scare-debunked/

They were not real temperatures, they were model results that led to the Guardian claiming they were real data.

“The Guardian view on record-breaking Arctic temperatures: do look up”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/25/the-guardian-view-on-record-breaking-arctic-temperatures-do-look-up

The fact that these were ‘modelled’ temperatures was never revealed to the reader – you. It’s utter nonsense and a reference to one of the worst films of all time – bar The Room, which is even worse than Plan 9 From Outer Space

Everything the left utters is part of a narrative; nothing more and nothing less. All fabricated.

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Reply to  griff
March 28, 2022 10:40 am

There are only leftist lies, so much, you can’t realise them anymore.

Slowroll
Reply to  griff
March 28, 2022 1:04 pm

Oh, your gullibility is showing

HotScot
Reply to  Slowroll
March 29, 2022 4:48 am

To be fair to griff he, like many others, have been gaslit.

The problem is he utterly refuses to admit he’s a victim.

Tom in Florida
March 28, 2022 5:14 am

I have often asked, Who snopes Snopes?

HotScot
Reply to  Tom in Florida
March 29, 2022 4:50 am

Snopes, the husband and wife self appointed fact checkers – until he was caught blowing tens of thousands of dollars on hookers, at which point she divorced him.

Undeterred, he married an ‘exotic dancer’ and they run Snopes between them, from their basement, whilst consuming Hot Pockets.

Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 5:19 am

You forgot to ask if there is a statistical trend for the patients needing respirators at the ICU between vaccinated and non-vaccinated.
This can be clearly answered by science and shows if vaccinations save lives!

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 5:58 am

Considering the way viruses run their course, and the fact that the new treatments don’t use respirators if possible, vaccinations are not the only factor affecting the metric you are proposing.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 28, 2022 9:21 am

I am not sure what you are saying here.
>> new treatments don’t use respirators if possible
That seems true for any treatment I know, even for thousand year old voodoo treatment some people seem to prefer to vaccinations

There is a MASSIVE imbalance disfavoring unvaccinated people. The statistics is VERY clear for this parameter. Thus the science tells us very clearly, if you dislike ending at a respirator, you should get vaccinated and boostered. This is not a matter of opinion!
Of course everybody should have a free choice, but then I ask why should the rest of the population pay for it (IVU respirator treatment costs ten thousands of dollar per day)?

TonyG
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 9:50 am

Of course everybody should have a free choice, but then I ask why should the rest of the population pay for it

Does this only apply to Covid, or does it also apply to obesity, heart disease, lung cancer, liver disease, and injuries due to not wearing a seatbelt?

Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 10:41 am

Omikron doesn’t attack the Lungs

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 12:15 pm

Cite?

HotScot
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
March 29, 2022 5:13 am

Dr. John Campbell.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 2:04 pm

Nonsense. Boost your Vitamin D and C, Zinc, Quercetin and you are better off than the dangerous injections.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
March 28, 2022 11:24 am

It’s a badly designed virus that wipes out its hosts. Nature wants a virus that can re-infect its host many times without killing them. Sometimes it gets it a bit wrong but usually corrects it within three years, Covid19 is the latest and everyone knows about Spanish, Asian and Hong Kong Flu.

Spanish Flu was unusual in that it killed mainly the young and fit in the early phases. The people that Covid took out for the most part were those that modern medicine had kept alive beyond the years that nature had allotted them. I count myself as being on borrowed time.

commieBob
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 8:12 am

On the face of it, you are right.

There is a deeper way of looking at it. From the start, the only acceptable solution was masks, social distancing, and wait for the vaccines. Anything that looked like it might be a successful treatment was squashed because a successful treatment would mean the vaccines couldn’t get emergency approval.

Doctors refused to treat covid symptoms. You had to stay home and get so sick you couldn’t breathe before you could go to the hospital.

If doctors had worked on developing protocols to deal with covid symptoms, many many lives would have been saved. link

Given the waning efficiency of the vaccines, which waned faster with each dose, we weren’t going to be able to vaccinate ourselves out of the pandemic. Omicron is the vaccine we weren’t able to make.

p.s. I got my two shots and booster, because, what choice did I have.

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Laws of Nature
Reply to  commieBob
March 28, 2022 9:24 am

Without trying to be too impolite, your posts reads like

“””
On the face of it, you are right.
[* irrelevant fillings removed *]
p.s. I got my two shots and booster, because, what choice did I have.
“””
Is that really what you intended or were you trying to make some kind of argument?
If so please state more clearly and also elaborate how much it might affect the ratio of vac/unvac respirator patients.

commieBob
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 11:09 am

For those who become infected with covid, it is undisputed that fully vaccinated people have less chance of being hospitalized and dying than do unvaccinated people.

However, if doctors had been allowed to treat early stage infections, the data seems to be that many fewer people would have ended up in the hospital and dying.
link

Vaccinated vs. unvaccinated is a false dichotomy. It ignores the possibility of treatment.

David A
Reply to  commieBob
March 29, 2022 3:00 am

Very true, for no more then 6 months, now likely 3 months, and only if you ignore all cause mortality morbidity studies.

There is growing evidence that the vaccines destroy natural immunity as well, and subject one to multiple chances of becoming Covid positive.

And yes, UTARH PRADESH, in two months via Ivermectin, zinc, and vitamin D, went from OVER twenty percent positive, to less then .01 positive , then to zero per positive.

commieBob
Reply to  David A
March 29, 2022 5:10 am

vaccines destroy natural immunity

If I understand this lecture correctly, one function of the immune system is to suppress the immune reaction. Otherwise you would have an immune reaction to everything you eat.

As far as I can tell, too many shots habituate your system to them and your body quits producing the immune reaction. Something like that. Given the way it was handled in the linked lecture it appears that the effect is uncontroversial.

Given the evidence on how fast the effectiveness of the covid vaccine wanes, and how it wanes even faster after each dose, and given that there is a mechanism, it is entirely possible that the vaccines do hurt natural immunity.

Of course, given that the propaganda machine is in full operation, good luck googling for the truth.

HotScot
Reply to  commieBob
March 29, 2022 5:27 am

Ventilators are a complete distraction. They were largely administered to the very elderly with comorbidities. Most people recovered from covid without going near a hospital

davetherealist
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 9:28 am

Respirators killed many victims at the beginning of the pandemic. MD and Respiratory Therapist had one tool – ventilator- and used it like a hammer!. They blew out alveoli and oversaturated airways to a point of complete failure. Remember the frenzy to build more ventilators? all unnecessary.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  davetherealist
March 28, 2022 12:17 pm

Then there is the Remdesivir that causes renal failure, accompanied with starvation while on the ventilator.

Scissor
Reply to  davetherealist
March 28, 2022 4:06 pm

A cynical person might conclude that some fraction of deaths via respirators were intentional. The covid-pneumonia-respirator reimbursement was $39,000.

I would like to know the rationale behind these incentives.

HotScot
Reply to  davetherealist
March 29, 2022 5:30 am

They killed many elderly covid victims with comorbidities. An important distinction.

Scissor
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 28, 2022 3:58 pm

Respirators at least very early on were virtually a death sentence, but there is a financial incentive for hospitals to do so, so they do.

HotScot
Reply to  Laws of Nature
March 29, 2022 4:56 am

Not if ventilations were incorrectly considered an effective treatment.

There are now millions of ventilators lying unused around the world because they were killing people when used on lungs full of fluid which could not be influenced by ventilation.

A five day course of Ivermectin would have saved up to 80% of these people. Even if it only saved 10% it would be a better average than ventilation.

And being that it’s probably the safest drug known to man (4Bn doses and 2 deaths) it wouldn’t do any harm.

commieBob
March 28, 2022 5:35 am

Factchecks Are Just Mainstream Opinions

Yep. In addition to the link supplied above, there’s this WUWT story from a while back.

It’s all about top-down rule and corruption.

The poster child for top-down rule and corruption has to be Russia’s attempted invasion of the Ukraine. Putin earns his buddies’ loyalty, which keeps him in power, by allowing them to steal whatever they can. That wrecks the economy. It’s why Russia has a GDP smaller than Canada in spite of having a population more than three times as large. link

Top-down rule is exemplified by the fact that Russia doesn’t have an NCO corps. That means the generals have to go to the front to make sure their orders are being followed. I think they’ve had seven generals plus a number of brigade commanders picked off by snipers for that reason.

Suppression of free speech suppresses the truth and it’s a form of corruption. That doesn’t work for Russia and it won’t work for us.

StephenP
Reply to  commieBob
March 28, 2022 7:26 am

Youu shouldn’t have told the Russians about NCOs, they might take you up on it.

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commieBob
Reply to  StephenP
March 28, 2022 7:55 am

In critical situations, NCOs have considerable autonomy and responsibility. Here’s the American Manual. I think it would be better for everyone if the Russians could have the kind of cultural change it would take to implement such a system.

David A
Reply to  commieBob
March 29, 2022 3:10 am

Under Putin Russian annual per capita income has increased 800 percent over 20 years.

The reasons Russia invaded are well articulated by Putin for years. He did EXACTLY what he said he would do.
It is very difficult to KNOW the facts about Russian claims of brutality and genocide of Russian people In Ukraine, but after watching Obama and Hilary destroy nations and be the primary cause of death to millions in the ME, and watching our own government enact deadly tyranny on our own citizens, and our own government operate gain of function bio labs in the Ukraine, and clear corruption between our government and Ukraine, and tge US overthrow of democratically elected politicians in Ukraine, I want no part of any wars in the Ukraine.

March 28, 2022 5:53 am

The problem with so called “fact checkers”, is that after years of getting so much so disastrously wrong, they are not accepted as the facts by most people any more than a dubious wikipedia page or drab student “magazine”.

Tom.1
Reply to  Mike Haseler (aka Scottish Sceptic)
March 28, 2022 6:20 am

Fact checkers are not the problem; the problem is people who will not verify their own “facts” or who reject actual facts because it does or does not fit some political narrative.

Mr.
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 10:30 am

. . . people who will not verify their own “facts” or who reject actual facts because it does or does not fit some political narrative.

Can you leave off referring to griff in this discussion please?

DonM
Reply to  Mr.
March 29, 2022 4:15 pm

He was speaking of hisself.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Tom.1
March 28, 2022 2:06 pm

Those who believe fact checkers will believe anything.

MGC
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
March 29, 2022 6:36 am

Those who believe the nonsense published by WUWT will believe anything.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MGC
March 29, 2022 9:12 am

Shill-boi returns…

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
March 28, 2022 6:51 am

Often the fact-checkers fact-check opinions.

TonyG
March 28, 2022 8:04 am

Who fact-checks the fact-checkers?

From what I’ve seen, most people take the “fact-checkers” at their word, without bothering to dig in at all to see if they’ve really “checked” the “facts”. And they choose and stick with the “fact-checkers” that support their preconceptions and biases, and ignore any who don’t.

The entire concept has become a joke.

Mike McHenry
March 28, 2022 10:54 am

Once as i was searching for Fauci’s early March 2020 60 Minutes interview where he trashed masking. The results had a fact checker who said new science since his interview proved him wrong. CDC recommended masking a few weeks after that interview with no new science

Doonman
March 28, 2022 10:59 am

When you really stop and think about it, until the unified field theory is proven, everything is just opinion.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Doonman
March 28, 2022 5:51 pm

Same with electrical
No one has ever seen an electron
It’s just a theory that fits the data
Could be inter dimensional elves messing with us continually

rah
March 28, 2022 11:22 am

I don’t know what you all are arguing about anyway. Jabbed or unjabbed (like me) we all should be celebrating. After all we all:
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TRM
March 28, 2022 7:39 pm

Interesting comparison of vaxxed vs unvaxxed views on “the new thing” (war in Ukraine).

https://dossier.substack.com/p/supporting-the-current-thing-covid?s=r

TonyG
Reply to  TRM
March 29, 2022 6:58 am

Interesting, but I wonder about the results. While not a scientific sample, my direct experience with my personal circle would show quite different results. The “unvaxxed” who I know strongly support sanctions and other action, short of direct military intervention.

Then again, even if my sample were a scientific sample, that’s US vs. Canada.

MGC
March 29, 2022 6:34 am

Sigh. Yet another toxic propaganda spew of utterly ludicrous conspiracy theory twaddle to fill the empty skulls of the WUWT sheeple.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MGC
March 29, 2022 9:13 am

Have you had your small children injected with the mRNA treatments yet?

Peter Plail
March 29, 2022 8:57 am

A minor point. I don’t believe anyone on the UK refers to the BBC as “beebs”, but usually “the beeb”, plus latterly a lot of more uncomplimentary names.

huls
March 30, 2022 3:38 am

I believe there is a paragraph missing in this otherwise excellent article.
The missing paragraph points out that all these fact-checkers” are extreme left-wing liberal cheerleaders who only support extreme left-wing liberal narratives that have 1 thing in common: you are going to suffer AND pay more.

Perhaps the author is able to appand the missing article.

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