MSM Scares Themselves, Confuse ‘Unprecedented’ Weather Model Temperature Spikes with Actual Temperatures

From the load of crap journalists are either too stupid or too lazy to do basic research department.

This past week two left-leaning media outlets, MSN (via The Washington Post aka WaPo), and the always alarmed UK based The Guardian ran stories saying the Arctic and Antarctic, had experienced “unprecedented” high temperatures. These claims can’t be verified since they were the results from a set of weather model simulations, indicating variations of above normal temperatures for the regions, not actual surface temperatures measured by ground-based weather stations.

The Guardian headline was full of worry courtesy of author Fiona Harvey:

Heatwaves at both of Earth’s poles alarm climate scientists

Antarctic areas reach 40C above normal at same time as north pole regions hit 30C above usual levels

She writes:

Startling heatwaves at both of Earth’s poles are causing alarm among climate scientists, who have warned the “unprecedented” events could signal faster and abrupt climate breakdown.

At the same time, weather stations near the north pole also showed signs of melting, with some temperatures 30C above normal, hitting levels normally attained far later in the year.

At this time of year, the Antarctic should be rapidly cooling after its summer, and the Arctic only slowly emerging from its winter, as days lengthen. For both poles to show such heating at once is unprecedented.

They key phrase here is: “weather stations near the north pole.” The northernmost weather station is Alert, Nunavut and it is 817 km (508 mi) from the North Pole. That’s like trying to gauge the temperature in Indianapolis from a  warmer temperature reading in Atlanta.

MSN/WaPo authors Jason Samenow and Kasha Patel had this flabbergasting headline:

It’s 70 degrees warmer than normal in eastern Antarctica. Scientists are flabbergasted.

The coldest location on the planet has experienced an episode of warm weather this week unlike any ever observed, with temperatures over the eastern Antarctic ice sheet soaring 50 to 90 degrees above normal. The warmth has smashed records and shocked scientists.

“This event is completely unprecedented and upended our expectations about the Antarctic climate system,” said Jonathan Wille, a researcher studying polar meteorology at Université Grenoble Alpes in France, in an email.

“Antarctic climatology has been rewritten,” tweeted Stefano Di Battista, a researcher who has published studies on Antarctic temperatures. He added that such temperature anomalies would have been considered “impossible” and “unthinkable” before they actually occurred.

Both articles mentioned “climate” in the context of blame or contribution to these weather events.

To the uninitiated reading about these “events,” it must surely seem like evidence the planet is on its way to being wrecked from global warming aka “climate change,” and that the polar icecaps are in danger of melting away to nothing.

The reality is entirely different.

The MSN article includes this graphic:

Figure 1 – the image that has scientists “flabbergasted.”

It always pays to read the fine print, and in this case the MSN caption for that Figure 1 image (when you click on it at MSN to enlarge it) is telling:

Simulation of temperature differences from normal centered over Antarctica from the American (GFS) model.

That’s right, it isn’t temperature that actually measured at the surface of that forlorn icecap, it’s a model simulation of temperature from a single climate model, the GFS model.

If we look at that same “model simulation” just four days later, from the same source, all of the sudden that “flabbergasting” image is gone, and temperatures are frigid again as seen in Figure 2 below.

Figure 2 – The same model simulation, just 4 days later.

And, looking at actual data, there’s no “heat wave” at all. Here’s data from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station during that period:

Source: https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica/south-pole/historic?month=3&year=2022

It always pays to check the data. Notice the “heat wave” of -56°F on March 18th circled in red. Nothing at the FTP site for AWS data suggests any “heat wave” either. So much for accuracy of the models and the intelligence of so-called climate scientists and journalists.

Once again, the media proves itself incapable of basic research and differentiating between short-term model simulations of a weather event from long-term evidence climate change. Indeed, the “flabbergasting” spike in temperature may very well have been nothing but a glitch of mathematics in the model, and not actual weather since actual data does not support the claim.

Recording actual weather over the eastern Antarctic icecap is difficult because there are very few actual surface weather stations on the eastern Antarctic icecap, and none at all at the North Pole. See more at this map.

In the Arctic, it is a similar story after last week’s alarming model simulated “heat wave,” temperatures are back to their frigid normal as seen in Figure 3 below:

Figure 3 – North pole temperatures on Tuesday March 22nd are at -30 to -40°C

Surface weather stations in both the Arctic and the Antarctic are relatively recent developments in meteorology. In the Arctic, the ice floats on the ocean. It is unstable, moves, and breaks up in the spring making it nearly impossible to keep a weather station in one place, much less operational. The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) started deploying floating weather stations and web cams in 2002 at the North Pole, but gave up due to “funding constraints” in 2015.

In Antarctica, due to the extremely harsh conditions of temperature, blowing snow, and lack of sunlight to power solar cells, Automated Weather Stations (AWS) are few and far between. Plus, such weather stations have only been present in Antarctica since 1978. The harsh environment often buries these weather stations in snow, leaving them with faulty temperature data, or completely inoperable due to solar panels being covered. The AWS’s have to be dug out of the snow each year.

When AWS stations become covered with snow, if they are still reporting, they often report warmer than normal temperatures because snow is an effective insulator.

With the paucity of stations at the poles, this is why meteorologists often rely on mathematical simulations of the atmosphere to “guess” the temperatures of the air at the north and south poles – they can’t always trust the actual data to be there or be accurate.

So, in summary we have these points to consider about Arctic and Antarctic weather data:

  • We don’t have actual weather data in many places at the North and South poles.
  • The weather data we do have may be compromised or intermittent due to harsh weather conditions affecting ground based weather stations.
  • Compared to larger 100+ years of climate data for the globe, we have maybe 40 years of data for the poles at best.

Since we have at best 40 years of data and observations from the poles, is science capable of determining if weather events like the one modeled in Antarctica are “unprecedented” or not?

We simply don’t know if they are, because we haven’t been looking that long.

Indeed, science can’t say for sure if the brief spikes in temperature at the poles last week were real or simply a product of one flawed model’s simulation, a glitch in the numerical model output. Even if it were real, one brief spike in temperature is not the same as a long-term climate change, which is defined as a trend of 30 or more years of data.

Yet, somehow, climate scientists are “alarmed” and “flabbergasted” at a single day weather event simulated from a computer model.

Scientists (and journalists) that use those terms might be better off keeping a lid on their opinions until they have real data to confirm their “unprecedented” claims. Carl Sagan rightly opined, paraphrasing Laplace’s principle, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

These researchers, and the corporate media outlets which uncritically parroted their claims, have presented no extraordinary evidence that either Antarctica or the Arctic experienced an unusual spike in warming. Output from model simulations simply aren’t evidence.

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Scissor
March 25, 2022 3:32 pm

Are you sure FJB isn’t in the room?

Tom Halla
March 25, 2022 3:45 pm

Reporting “models show extreme result” does not fit the narrative.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 25, 2022 5:57 pm

The media does it in the entertainment sections.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dave Fair
March 26, 2022 4:03 am

Our official Data Mannipulators should come out and publicly debunk this scaremongering. They know these headlines are distortions of the truth that scare people about CO2, yet they allow this distortion to continue.

We are being deceived by our “Climate Leaders”. Again.

BCofTexas
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 26, 2022 8:53 am

I’ve been watching the maps of temperatures at both poles now for a couple of years. I’ve noticed two things that seem unlikely. Often when the temp plunges at one pole, the other spikes. And the spikes almost always win. The other is how many time the actual poles locations are surrounded by an island of heat. Sometimes these islands are almost circular but mostly you see a finger of warm reaching toward the pole from one direction that then balloons into a bubble of heat around the pole area. I don’t know how the models simulate the polar areas but their data output does seem to be biased.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Dave Fair
March 26, 2022 4:37 pm

G’Day Dave,

“… in the entertainment sections.”

The Sydney Morning Herald sends out two emails of ‘Headlines’ daily. Their headline and a couple of lines of text reported these temperatures as ‘news’, not entertainment.

Remember, all newspaper articles are 100% accurate, except for the occasional one that you have personal knowledge of.

John Garrett
March 25, 2022 4:02 pm

Thank you, Mr. Watts.

It really is worse than I thought.

It is worse than imaginable (and I am a cynical bast*rd).

These folk make Josef Goebbels and Edward Bernays look honest.

philincalifornia
Reply to  John Garrett
March 25, 2022 5:41 pm

That’s why they call the original manufacturer of this crap Seth Goebbelstein

A bit off-topic, but not by much:

2hotel9
Reply to  philincalifornia
March 26, 2022 4:24 am

I love this guy!

Reply to  philincalifornia
March 26, 2022 7:52 am

FYI
JP also has a Rumble account in case you DON’T want to support tech tyrants

DMacKenzie
Reply to  John Garrett
March 25, 2022 8:25 pm

Just imagine, politicians believe these liar propagandists. Two bit liars with Ph.D’s, embarrassments to real scientists, they should be made examples of.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 26, 2022 4:22 am

That’s what they are: Propagandists.

And the people who put out those models are just as bad because they allow this lie to be perpetrated around the world, with no attempt to clarify.

They are deliberately misleading people about the climate.

This blatant science fraud, with regard to climate change and CO2, going on in the U.S. government is another thing the Republican majority needs to investigate come January 2023. We are not getting the truth out of our govenment scientists.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Garrett
March 26, 2022 4:07 am

“Thank you, Mr. Watts.”

Yes, thanks.

When I read these headlines in the news, I knew I could come to WUWT and the truth would come out.

Models, not actual measured temperatures.

What would the alarmists do without their computer models? They could try living in the real world for once.

Rud Istvan
March 25, 2022 4:04 pm

To make matters worse, some small EAIS floating ice shelf broke off today after having been stable for all of satellite recorded history. Yah, since about 1979. The horror. And the MSM reports this afternoon that this was because of the record heat wave, without mentioning the imaginary heat wave was a just a bolloxed model or that we have no idea how long that small ice sheet was stable before satellites.
As a rule of thumb, Antarctic floating ice sheets get pushed out into the sea by the slowly flowing glaciers behind them. Then some outer edge eventually breaks off because of wave action, which restarts the process.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 26, 2022 12:44 am

“bolloxed model”!!! What a splendidly accurate description with great scientific emphasis!!! As a retired structural engineer that’s the type of description I used frequently on some puter models, & often told graduate-engineers to perform a small hand calc as a verification check on puter output, so that they knew their model output wasn’t complete & utter  “bolloxed model” output, we used to call it “feel” in the old days, but I dare say using such an expression today would incite all sorts of harassment claims from certain quarters!!!

BobM
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 26, 2022 6:00 am

“feel” is the positive expression of the “gut-feeling” that something may not be quite right, or needs further looking into. The “BS detector” goes off when the “feeling” is strong, as in this case.

toorightmate
March 25, 2022 4:14 pm

It is all so apolitically catastrophic, to say the least.

Mr.
March 25, 2022 4:33 pm

Not that long ago, I feared for what behavioral harm video games were inflicting on my grandkids.

Now though, I think that establishment media with their bullshit catastrophe stories is the greatest threat to the wellbeing of naive youngsters.

Parents should be blocking links to the likes of The Guardian, NY Times, Washington Post, NPR, etc etc

Dave Fair
Reply to  Mr.
March 25, 2022 6:10 pm

I think people’s acceptance of the propaganda is on the way out. Current (and even worse future) fuel shocks will shake people out of their complacency.

jChaney
Reply to  Mr.
March 25, 2022 10:55 pm

Do not block them, just make sure that you pay attention and point out the errors and lies to them when they use sites like those

Jay Willis
Reply to  jChaney
March 26, 2022 4:07 am

“Do not block them, just make sure that you pay attention and point out the errors and lies to them when they use sites like those”

There are not enough hours in the day. Good journalism is like trust, slow to build, quick to break.

Thomas
March 25, 2022 4:38 pm

Thanks Anthony.

Misinformation like this reported by MSM outlets is damaging the free world and empowering our enemies. The Yale Program on Climate Change Communication is behind reports like this. They’re propagandists and they are doing great damage to our country.

Thomas
Reply to  Thomas
March 25, 2022 5:03 pm

Actually, I was thinking about these guys. They’re out of Princeton NJ.

https://www.climatecentral.org/partnership-journalism.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Thomas
March 25, 2022 8:14 pm

And lets not forget the 400 spew-merchants at http://CoveringClimateNow.org

Smart Rock
March 25, 2022 4:41 pm

It must be frustrating to have real-world events like a war in Ukraine getting all the media attention. They needed to get back in the limelight, and in the absence of any actual bad climate news (Arctic ice at the 10th-lowest level just isn’t frightening enough), so they made some up. Perfectly acceptable to fabricate news when your goal is to save the planet. The end justifies the means, as usual in Climate World.

fretslider
March 25, 2022 4:45 pm

Antarctica did have a pretty cold winter

No mention of that

jChaney
Reply to  fretslider
March 25, 2022 10:56 pm

It is still summer in Antarctica, though it is getting close to winter again

Editor
March 25, 2022 4:49 pm

Anthony ==> Great catch….checking exactly what they were measuring (or in this case, not measuring but modelling).

Chris Hanley
March 25, 2022 5:18 pm

“The average temperature at the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station between April and September, a frigid minus-78 degrees (minus-61 Celsius), was the coldest on record, dating back to 1957” (Washington Post October 2021).
Extremes will happen at any place or anytime irrespective of global climate trends.
The recorded surface temperature trends at neither pole, N nor S, shows any correlation with the measured atmospheric CO2 concentration trend.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 25, 2022 6:31 pm

Fun supporting fact from fn 25 to essay ‘when Data Isn’t’ in ebook Blowing Smoke. BEST had station 166900 warming. They accomplished that by their ‘regional expectations’ model rejecting 26 months of record colds. 166900 is Amundsen Scott at the South Pole, arguably the most expensive and best maintained station on Earth. The ‘regional expectation’ came from McMurdo, which is 1300 km away and 2700 meters lower on the Coast. Nuf said.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 26, 2022 4:38 am

And then the supporters of BEST wonder why ordinary people have trouble with believing in the BEST numbers.

This is why the unmodified temperature data should be used. We should not use computer “adjusted” temperature data. Leave the computers and the opinions of computer operators out of it.

Chris Morris
March 25, 2022 5:22 pm

From the same site as the South Pole data came from, they had Vostok where it was -20°. According to Wikipedia, the record high there for March is -17.7° so nothing unprecedented

Reply to  Chris Morris
March 25, 2022 6:08 pm

No. If you check the footnote to that temperature, you find a link to the WaPo article. -17.7°C is actually the temperature from last Friday. Here is a Wayback version of the Wiki page from Jan 31 2022, which lists the previous March max as -30°C. So that is quite a jump.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220131205714/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_Station

They also list the average high for March as -52.9°C. So it was 35.2°C above average.

Last edited 5 months ago by Nick Stokes
Chris Morris
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 25, 2022 11:59 pm

You are correct Nick. Someone must have editted very quickly. Pity the date of the records aren’t listed.
I note Time and date list the high as 20° for each of the 6 hour periods though they do note that may be different to the official records.. The warm spell 17th to 22nd shows a very low atmospheric pressure – down at 946mbar on the 19th.
Be interesting to see at the end of the month what the satellites show as the average temperature for Antarctica

Mike Edwards
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 26, 2022 1:12 am

The real shame here is that the actual historical temperature records for Vostok and other places in Antarctica don’t seem to be available. So it is very hard for anyone to be sure of the significance of a new extreme.

I do note that the temperature last Friday was associated with a run of northerly winds – i.e. from the direction of the sea – which may explain why there was relative “warmth”. How usual/unusual this is for Vostok, again it is hard to tell, since the history of the location is not easy to find.

spren
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 27, 2022 7:46 pm

Oh my goodness, -17.7 degrees C is a virtual heatwave (regardless of the veracity of the measurements!). For crying out loud.

CD in Wisconsin
March 25, 2022 5:25 pm

“This past week two left-leaning media outlets, MSN (via The Washington Post aka WaPo), and the always alarmed UK based The Guardian ran stories saying the Arctic and Antarctic, had experienced “unprecedented” high temperatures. ”

*********

It has become obvious to me that we need to start taking the U.S. and global economy off the fossil fueled grid little by little to bring down CO2 emissions and fight climate change. After all, the mainstream media is never ever wrong, is it?

Might I suggest that we start with those sectors of the economy which are the least useful and necessary in terms of the products and services they provide. It seems to me that the mass media needs to be at or near the top of the off-grid list, but that is just my opinion.

Might I also suggest that we start with WAPO, MSN, the Guardian, CNN, MSNBC, the NYPD and……..well, I think you get the picture. Give them the opportunity to put solar panels on their roofs before they are taken off grid. /sarc

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
March 25, 2022 5:31 pm

Whoops, I meant NY Times, not the NYPD. God bless the blue.

Christopher P Smith
March 25, 2022 5:43 pm

There was a whole LI conversation with “Roberta: from the “UNWMO” including Pat Frank, that has been removed or deleted, along with some of the contributors, this image from the previous post of nonsense I put together. It looks like the days of LI are numbered as an impartial exchange forum.

arctic (2).jpg
March 25, 2022 6:00 pm

From what I could see on earthnullschool the warm air was generated by a large rotation off of the east coast that moved in over the land. It then sat there for the next 4 days until it gradually dissipated. Temps immediately plunged in the affected areas when the spin broke up.

Earthling2
March 25, 2022 7:02 pm

Just like ‘paint by numbers’, this is ‘lie by numbers’. Well, I guess there was lying about the color of the made up weather maps for the heat wave of -56. That kind of red and purple usually means it is 111F in the shade.

If the average long term climate/temperature for that time in Antartica that time of year is say -50C, and even if it did warm up 40C, it would still be -10C. And if the wind was blowing 50 MPH, the windchill would still be back to about -50C. Nothing would change, there would be no melting, even if there was no wind. And this wasn’t even’t true, so not even relevant. Now I’m getting dizzy just trying to follow along with all the suggestive hype from The Guardian and WaPo.

Another thing I see happening right in my neck of the woods with the younger generation, is that they seem to think the ‘average temperature’ is supposed to be the normal temperature, when of course it is the sum of all the temps, divided by the amount time etc, to give the average. But the kids today seem to think the average temp is supposed to be the normal temp, and any anomaly from that is somehow “climate change”. With reasoning like that, I don’t have a lot of hope for future generations.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Earthling2
March 25, 2022 8:32 pm

But aren’t all children above average? /sarc

lee
March 25, 2022 7:17 pm

Concordia Antarctica got to -11.5C the previous record was –13.7C. The ice still wouldn’t melt in their highball glass.

Brian Pratt
March 25, 2022 7:26 pm

Journalism at its worst.

I did a geological field season in the Starshot Glacier area in late 1984, not far from the Beardmore Glacier of Scott fame, before we had an accident with the Hercules while taxiing on the glacier and had to be rescued. Weeks of incredibly fine weather, sunny every day, almost no wind (and therefore no dangerous whiteouts), temperatures -5 to -10C. The next summer my research colleague was in the same area, and in December they had exactly one day when they could do their field work, the weather was so bad. All that time stuck in their Scott tents. Just because Antarctic is isolated by the circumpolar current does not mean that the weather is predictable or stable.

I always assumed even a lowly journalist knows the difference between weather and climate, and were just capitalizing on hyperbole, but now I am not so sure. A few years ago a well-known Canadian environmental journalist harped on a brief above-zero winter’s day in our high Arctic. If he had looked at the easily available maps he would have seen the corresponding deep freeze over Siberia. Unfortunately, journalists like him are far from being objective.

Independent
Reply to  Brian Pratt
March 25, 2022 8:51 pm

These people are not journalists. They are propagandists and part of our domestic propaganda industry (sometimes called the “mainstream media”).

Peta of Newark
March 25, 2022 9:14 pm

On the front page of MSN UK, where I get my email sometimes, have a laugh and scare myself silly, they are adept at this.

One or more of the UK ‘red-top’ newspapers like to get their meteoriticological weather data/forecasts from some over-excitable outfit desperate for clicks.
Can’t recall name right now.

Thus we’ll see the headline:
UK Braced For Arctic Blast Over The Next Weekend
(hark at me, headline writer extraordinaire, wasted as an ordinary punter)

So we’ll see stock photos of ‘arctic blasts’ – patently = stills from Day After Tomorrow

Quick checks at BBC, Met Office or even Weather Channel will turn up diddly-squat correlation.
A re-read of the original article/claim will then reveal that some god-forsaken mountain-top somewhere in Scotland has a 10% chance of a half-inch of snow sometime inside the next 10 days

How anyone would notice is insane as said mountain-top is normally snow-covered all through wintertime and, with Scotland being = Scotland, nobody lives there anyway.

You lose the will sometimes.
And that has got to be the clue
Mystery weather forecasters are an offshoot of the Behaviour Insight Team = an agency of UK Government set up to spread propaganda, fear and alarm.

Things have gone very badly wrong in this world……………

Bob
March 25, 2022 9:25 pm

How can it be legal to write and report misleading articles like this? Are there no standards these people are expected to live up to? This is just disgusting.

rah
Reply to  Bob
March 26, 2022 2:18 am

They have two standards:

  1. “Report” what and now their boss wants them to.
  2. And: https://twitter.com/i/status/1507144349594882050
Jphn
March 25, 2022 11:30 pm

The first casualty of War is the truth.

Paul Vaughan
March 25, 2022 11:37 pm
DMacKenzie
Reply to  Paul Vaughan
March 26, 2022 6:51 am

The article itself is quite unbiased…but the title is definitely click bait….

Luchezar Jackov
March 26, 2022 1:18 am

Something interesting is happening at Mauna Loa — the CO2 concentration readings for the most of March are equal or even less than those from last year, marking a probably unprecedented turn in the CO2 concentration — normally these are some 2ppm higher than those from the same time of the previous year…

rah
Reply to  Luchezar Jackov
March 26, 2022 1:59 am

That would make sense. There is a La Nina after all and the ENSO has been hanging in La Nina or the La Niana side of neutral for some time now.

rah
March 26, 2022 1:40 am

And so the “heat wave” in East Antarctica tops out at a simulated -12C and they claim that caused a big ice cube to break up into smaller ice cubes and the press yells ‘Head for the Hills’. They really are pathetic.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  rah
March 26, 2022 4:50 am

They are scaring a lot of people, including politicians who then go and spend our tax money on really stupid things trying to “fix” the Earth’s climate.

These climate change propagandists should be called out for the liars they are.

2hotel9
March 26, 2022 4:35 am

So, just more of the same lies from the same liars. Yawn.

Tom in Florida
March 26, 2022 4:52 am

Color coding anomalies without regard to actual temperatures is another visual lie to scare the uninformed.

Joao Martins
March 26, 2022 7:01 am

‘Unprecedented’ Weather Model Temperature Spikes
Time is ripe to ask Pfizer to extract those spikes and make an mRNA vaccine against them.

March 26, 2022 7:51 am

The MSM has done their job !!!
Now the people that support the fake climate change scam will use that story as more of their “proof”.
Democrats know that if a lie gets printed, it becomes a fact for the people that support them.

Ossqss
March 26, 2022 8:23 am

This is simply an example of Transweather.

It recognizes as a heat wave but is really just a cold front.

Cosmic
March 26, 2022 9:28 am

I am a meteorologist. Most of my colleagues do not buy into a catastrophic climate event in the making, but some do. Those that do I loathe. I can show them scientific evidence there is nothing extraordinary going on and they scoff. I try to disassociate with them as much as possible. Cannot take their ignorance and close-mindedness.

rah
March 26, 2022 11:16 am

My retired pilot buddy wrote this. He was an airline pilot and also a pilot in the Air Force reserve flying the C-141 a 4 engine jet transport that the C-17 has replaced now. I met Donny through a career Air Force flight engineer friend that said Donny was the best pilot he ever flew with.

When they flew the C141 to Antarctica the ice they landed on was over the sea, it had to be 14 feet thick, and even then it would ripple as the plane touched down.

Chris Morris
Reply to  rah
March 26, 2022 11:32 am

I went south on one of those flights on a C141. While it was at the ice runway at Mc Murdo, they used to regularly move the plane so it didn’t settle in. Very rarely did it stay any length of time – only when the weather closed it in. However, both the wheel and ski equipped Hercules didn’t get moved.
New Zealand flies 757s down there – a lot more comfort that being cattle class in an air freighter.

rah
Reply to  Chris Morris
March 26, 2022 12:20 pm

My crew chief friend retired from the AF after a 30 year career. When he got out he finished his degree and went to work for UPS. He wrote the manual for the first 747s that UPS bought for carrying freight.

He swore “hands down” the C-141 was the best aircraft he ever flew in. That aircraft was removed from service and replaced because the jet engines it used were far less fuel efficient than the newer engines.

I have flown over the Atlantic in them many times and jumped them several. The most memorable was a low level tactical fight across the US and through the Rockies then rigging in flight to jump onto the DZ at Ft, Lewis, WA.

The next day we were trucked to the base of Mt. Ranier and climbed the mountain with full rucks. The plan was to stay up there do some training while up near the summit. However several civilian climbers on the west face died in an avalanche and conditions were getting so sketchy that we ordered to get off the mountain ASAP.

Flying across the Atlantic in one when there is only one or two teams on board is really quite enjoyable and I did that several times. I would rig my hammock up at the back deck tied to the rear brackets to the jump cables and with a poncho liner sleep quite comfortably. We could play hackysack and poker, though for the later we used sign language.

However, I have also flown in one to Italy complete with the Air Force version of airline seats and a “comfort palate” that had bathrooms and meals in racks heated and that was not comfortable at all though much better than being rigged for jump in full combat equipment and rucksack sitting in those red nylon seats.

Last edited 5 months ago by rah
March 26, 2022 2:54 pm

The only thing increasing now, in reality. is the lying and misrepresentation.

Brian Hatch
March 26, 2022 8:26 pm

1978? Australia has had a weather station at Mawson base on Antarctica since 1954, and Davis base since 1957.

Chris Nisbet
March 26, 2022 10:37 pm

TVNZ news has just reported on this.
– Some Prof. told us it could be the first sign that climate catastrophe is coming.
– No mention of models at all – a watcher of this report would be left with the idea these were actual temperature readings.
– Dan, the weather man, showed us some graphic of Antarctic temperatures that showed what looked to be about 50% of the continent ‘off the charts’.
– No mention of how long the temperature record goes back.
– Oh, they mentioned something about the heatwave causing the collapse of some glacier.

We get this sort of thing every day now from TVNZ, at about 6:20PM.

It’s truly awful, and I don’t understand how it can be legal.

Last edited 5 months ago by Chris Nisbet
Rob
March 27, 2022 1:28 pm

Hi. I am not an expert on the ftp data published by UW-Madison, first time I’ve looked at it, but I had a dig around and I *think* that it does actually show relatively high temperatures recorded at Concordia AWS on the 18th March. -14.2C at 1200. -21.4C at 2100

I am looking in /archive/2022/0318/AWS.Gilmore*.txt and AWSMcMurdo*.txt which seem to have data for station ID (AID?) 8989 at the right latlong&elevation for Concordia.

Gordon A. Dressler
March 28, 2022 8:12 am

It has been summed up best a long time ago:
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” — Bible, Romans 1:22, King James Version (KJV)

Oddgeir
March 30, 2022 2:28 pm

Tony…

“It always pays to read the fine print, and in this case the MSN caption for that Figure 1 image (when you click on it at MSN to enlarge it) is telling:

Simulation of temperature differences from normal centered over Antarctica from the American (GFS) model.

That’s right, it isn’t temperature that actually measured at the surface of that forlorn icecap, it’s a model simulation of temperature from a single climate model, the GFS model.”

That’s an image. A temperatures map (modeled). Produced to underscore the alarmist message. That said, it doesn’t matter whether the map was “model” if the temperature increase was real.

I found the same thing about temperatures crashing to 55-60 minus for the rest of the month, WAY below “normal”. Weighted average, the warm anomaly should disappear for the average for the month, just like the extreme cold was disappeared in monthly numbers for the catastrophic climate change minus 40 degrees in Norway (say about) two years back.

Oddgeir

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