The Uneasy Sea

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach [Painting above, “Uneasy Sea” by Gennady Vytor]

It is not the sea that sinks and shelves,
But ourselves
That rock and rise
With endless and uneasy motion,
Now touching the very skies.

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For the last forty years or so we’ve been treated to endless scary claims that the rate of sea-level rise is increasing and coastal cities are all going to drown. I’ve shown that part of this hysteria is due to improper splicing of the four sequential satellite records of the sea level. Here are the four records, along with their respective trendlines.

Figure 1. Four satellite sea level records and their linear trends.

As you can see, the first two satellites (Topex and Jason-1) agree, as do the second two satellites (Jason-2 and Jason-3). However, the satellite pairs greatly disagree with each other.

In response to this disagreement between satellites, the “scientists” have just spliced the four records together, ignored the disagreement of the trends of the earlier and later satellites, and declared that the sea level rise is accelerating. Here’s that bit of scientific malfeasance.

Figure 2. The University of Colorado’s improper splicing of the satellite records, claiming acceleration of sea level rise. SOURCE

In the past, I looked at the question of sea level acceleration in a different way. I took the main three global sea level estimates (Jevrejeva, Church & White, and Ray & Douglas), and I looked at the 30-year trailing acceleration. By “trailing acceleration” I mean pick a point in time and look at the acceleration (or deceleration) over the previous 30 years. I repeated this procedure for each year of the record. Here’s that result.

Figure 3. Thirty year trailing acceleration, three global sea level estimates.

This shows something quite curious. Rather than either steadily accelerating or decelerating, the rate of sea-level rise has markedly sped up and slowed down a couple of times over the period of record.

Today I realized that there’s another way I could approach this. To explain it, first let me make a small diversion.

The underlying problem with determining the rate of sea level rise is that the tide gauge sea-level records are not corrected for the rising and falling of the land. Here are some examples:

Figure 4. Sample of longer (75-year plus) sea level records. Colors indicate that I don’t think science should be in boring black-and-white.

Hmmm … you can see the challenge. In some areas, like the region around the North Sea (e.g. first 4 records, left column), the land has been relieved of a huge burden of ice since the last glaciation. As a result, it is rebounding upwards faster than the sea level is rising. And that means that the relative sea level is falling. And along the east coast of the US, the reverse is happening—the land is sinking, so the relative sea-level rise is exaggerated. Finally, in a number of areas, removing either oil or water from underneath the land is causing subsidence. As a result … you can’t trust the tide gauges. All they can give you is the relative sea-level change, not the absolute change.

The second challenge is that most sea-level records are fairly short. Here’s a histogram of the records by length (total years of observations).

Figure 5. Histogram of lengths of all sea level records. Colors as in Figure 4.

My insight today was that I could first detrend all of the long sea-level records. Then I could calculate the 30-year trailing trends, and from those, I could calculate the 30-year trailing acceleration.

So that’s what I did. Out of a total of 1,544 extant tide-gauge records, only 135 of them have records of 75 years or longer. I took those, detrended them, and calculated the average 30-year trailing trends.

Figure 6. Average 30-year trailing trend, 135 detrended 75-year or longer sea level records.

As you can see, the trends have gone up and down, but there’s no apparent overall increase. The largest rate of rise was around 1915.

Finally, as a check on my calculations of the trailing trend, I used the LOWESS smooth to calculate the 30-year trailing acceleration and added it to Figure 3 above.

Figure 7. As in Figure 3, but including the acceleration calculated from the trends shown in Figure 6.

Given that I’m only using a small subset of less than 10% the 1,544 records, I’m quite happy with that result.

A few notes. First, all of those results show that there is no steady acceleration of the rate of sea-level rise that for years we’ve been sternly warned was coming soonest. The rise of the sea level has been quite uneven, accelerating in some decades and decelerating in other decades.

Next, given that we have only sparse information on the rate of vertical land rise or fall at the individual locations of the 1,544 tide stations, determining a global absolute (not relative to land) sea-level rise is somewhat of a guessing game. As evidence of this, here are the rates of sea-level rise from the three global records shown above, those of Jevrejeva, Church and White, and Ray and Douglas.

Figure 8. Average sea-level rise rates, 1900 – 1990. I have used the data only up to 1990 to avoid the scientists’ nasty habit of splicing the corrupt satellite record (see Figure 1) onto the end of the tide gauge records.

My conclusion? Comrade Obama’s two seaside estates, one in Hawaii and one in Martha’s Vineyard, as well as Bill Gates’ $43 megabuck seaside estate in San Diego seen below …

… are in no danger of being submerged, no matter how loudly they scream about the so-called “CLIMATE EMERGENCY”.

Protip: Regarding the climate, you can relax and enjoy life until the day somewhere in the misty future when the people aggressively lecturing you about your “carbon footprint” stop buying beachfront estates and flying private jets.


And for me, I’m going out now, back up the ladder to continue pressure-washing the walls. When will it be done? I can’t think of it that way, doesn’t work for me. Instead, every day when I finish up and stow the tools, I just tell myself “Another tile in the mosaic” and keep going … if I looked at the whole job I might just walk away, but this way I’m always walking toward the fire.

My very best to everyone,

w.

As Is My Custom: I ask that when you comment you quote the exact words you are referring to. This helps avoid many of the misunderstandings that plague the intarwebs.

Further Info: Given that the ocean looks like the painting at the head of the post, how can we measure sea level accurately? The answer is the “stilling well”, used for hundreds of years. It’s a vertical pipe with only a tiny hole at the bottom for the water to enter and leave. As the name suggests, it “stills” the vertical motions and gives us an accurate sea level at any instant. Heres NOAA on the subject.

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Tom.1
March 2, 2022 10:14 am

Willis- I appreciate the fact that you seem to relish finding the unexpected. I would say that is the mark of a true scientist. Thanks for all you do.

alastair gray
Reply to  Tom.1
March 2, 2022 11:52 am

nobody can be drowned by a global sea level change . You may be overwhelmed by a local sea level rise and that is all you need to worry about. I have often challenged the latter day Noahs to show me a single tidal gauge in the world that shows an acceleration in sea level rise. No takers yet

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  alastair gray
March 2, 2022 1:31 pm

You are wrong!

I guarantee the tidal gauge in Miami will show an acceleration in sea level rise, with a dramatic change of approximately 3.19′ in a mere 6 hours from 2:06PM today to 8:15PM.

/ griff mode off

Phil.
Reply to  alastair gray
March 4, 2022 7:24 am

How about St Petersburg?
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Ron Long
March 2, 2022 10:14 am

Great analysis, Willis. For me the figures 3, 6, and 7, each showing cycles of accelerating or decelerating sea level, are the interesting aspect of your analysis, because they show cycles that are out of sync with human CO2 generation, ie, natural cycles. While the rebound of land due to glacial ice removal is quite real, the other problem with fixed tide/sea level gauges is the tipping of the tectonic plates. The east coast of the USA is clearly going down (see irregular shoreline with many bays), whereas the west coast is going up (see straight shoreline and escarpments into the ocean). Rate? No idea.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Ron Long
March 2, 2022 11:06 am

Hopefully, the plates don’t tip so much as to capsize Guam.

Scissor
Reply to  Ron Long
March 2, 2022 11:53 am

Who would have thought that there could be natural cycles?

People that don’t get paid to assign blame onto mankind.

Mr. Lee
March 2, 2022 10:42 am

The problem with averaging is that most of the over 75 year tide gauges are in the US or northern Europe. So, the errors on your graphs are misleading, since the tide gauges are not a simple random sample of locations around the world. Moroever, many readings are correlated.
Nevertheless, I think your work does show that whatever the sea levels are doing, they are not accelerating to any degree that should cause alarm.
Hat tip to your data import skills. What software did you use?

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Mr. Lee
March 2, 2022 4:39 pm

most people have worry lists with dozens of concerns far more threatening that a few mm of rise per year

DHR
March 2, 2022 10:43 am

Willis,

You say …”you can’t trust the tide gauges. All they can give you is the relative sea-level change, not the absolute change.” That seems true as best I know, however a long-term tide gauge, for example The Battery in New York City, shows there to be no change in the rate of rise since it was placed in service about 170 years ago. The GPS elevation gauge associated with The Battery shows that at least for the last decade, over half of the relative rise is because the land is sinking as you point out. If somehow, The Battery only began sinking at the moment the GPS gauge was installed, then should not there be a clear knee at 2011? There isn’t. It then seems to me that long term tide gauges are a very good measure or whether or not, sea level changes are or are not accelerating.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  DHR
March 2, 2022 11:09 am

I agree. The tide gauges are consistent….which, as this article nicely points out, is more than you can say for the satellite “record”.

Rick C
Reply to  Mr. Lee
March 2, 2022 6:48 pm

The alarmist narrative is essentially that AGW is/will cause more melting and flow of water from land based ice in Greenland, Antarctica and mountain glaciers to flow into the oceans. If this is actually happening it should show up as an acceleration in sea level rise at all tide gauges. That would include even those affected by vertical land motion with perhaps the exception of recent subsidence due to water pumping or large construction projects. Long term gradual vertical land motion, up or down, should still show an acceleration due to warming if the claimed effect is real. The fact that most all tide gauge data shows no acceleration proves the null hypothesis and thus falsifies the sea level acceleration due to AGW claim.

MarkW
Reply to  DHR
March 2, 2022 11:46 am

The rate of sinking of some tide gauges can be accelerated by the pumping out of ground water.

Though I would think that even skyscrapers wouldn’t weigh enough to have a noticeable impact.

cerescokid
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 1:32 pm

Here is one study where they looked at many sites with groundwater withdrawal affecting RSLR. Just makes the issue that much more complex, as if it wasn’t already.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969721012602

DHR
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 2:00 pm

Mark, that is what is probably happening in the Hampton Roads area (Southern Chesapeake Bay) of Virginia. There, relative sea level rise is about 4-5 mm/yr. This is of great concern to the State and the Navy because of the many large Navy and Navy contractor and other private maritime facilities in the area. The water is kinda lousy too. Sulfur stench.

rbabcock
Reply to  DHR
March 2, 2022 6:22 pm

When the land is naturally sinking and the aquifers underneath it are being drained at the same time at a rapid rate as happening in the Tidewater area of Virginia, sea levels tend to rise pretty quickly.

I’m 45 miles north of there on the western shore of the Bay and at least for the 25 years I’ve had a house here I really can’t tell the tides have risen one bit. We have not only the lunar tide but wind driven tides, so it may normally be 1.5′ from low to high tide on a calm day, but a Nor’easter can pile the water up over my dock and a strong westerly can blow it out of the creek. The tide gauge at Lewisetta says it is rising but from just looking at it nothing seems to have changed.

Other than land subsidence, changes in the location of the persistent highs and lows in the oceans can also effect tides. When an El Niño or a La Niña is in effect, wind patterns cause water levels to change as well. Same with the Atlantic and Pacific oscillations. Might be worth looking into this effect.

Great essay WIllis. Very interesting results.

Streetcred
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 6:12 pm

Skyscrapers are built on piles bedded in to solid rock at approved bearing capacity.

Lil-Mike
Reply to  Streetcred
March 2, 2022 8:45 pm

Yes … until they’re not. See Millennium Tower in San Francisco, Ca. Not anchored into rock, but used a friction piling … and one side of the building is sinking … which is expected, but problematic, as the other side is not.

AndyHce
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 8:25 pm

how many sky scrapers on what kind of land? A city or two has been built on the delta of some large river. That isn’t always stable ground.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  DHR
March 2, 2022 11:47 am

Thanks for this analysis Willis…most useful.

As you are no doubt aware New Zealand has some of the longest records of sea level from tide gauges in the Southern Hemisphere. The following recent paper (2020) has used GPS data on land movement to conclude that the absolute (not relative) rate of sea level rise from 1891-2013 has been 1.45mm +/-0.28mm/year. Not too scary I feel.
 
Denys, P. H., Beavan, R. J., Hannah, J., Pearson, C. F., Palmer, N., Denham, M., & Hreinsdottir, S. (2020). Sea level rise in New Zealand: The effect of vertical land motion on century‐long tide gauge records in a tectonically active region. Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth. doi:10.1029/2019jb018055
 
This paper is well worth a read for anyone interested in this issue. Nevertheless our government here continues to use the more scary NOAA/IPCC predictions to achieve its aims. We’re all doomed…

Bill Treuren
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
March 2, 2022 5:39 pm

In fact the NZ based BRANZ have tacked on the view that the sea-level is now running at 14mm/Yr an massive acceleration but unsupported by data.

The entire “science” is a fraud in NZ.

alastair gray
Reply to  DHR
March 2, 2022 11:54 am

Spot on DHR

DD More
Reply to  DHR
March 2, 2022 2:51 pm

One other factor for The Battery is the Hudson River.
The Battery is at the outflow of the Hudson. Check a historical outline of NYC map over the last 150 years and see how it has narrowed. Same waterflow in a channel raises as the cross section of the channel is reduced.
How much variation in rain fall in the Hudson watershed can be seen in the tide gage?

I know the Presidio gauge at SF, has as its record high (Jan. 27, 1983) was mostly caused by, “The 1983 high tide accompanied a downpour associated with the El Niño condition”

An El Niño, i.e. when that 1 meter higher sea level by Japan sloshed back to the west & a lot of rain runoff caused the RECORD HIGHEST and not CO2.

Lasse
Reply to  DHR
March 3, 2022 12:23 am
DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 10:53 am

A really big problem is that when one reads the Jason 3 manual, and puts possible error bars on the many correlations used, one realizes that the satellite record is simply not sufficiently accurate to say what is claimed…the instruments need to be calibrated against surface tide gauges…relies on Doris ground stations to obtain satellite altitude…and has questionable calculations for daily “Earth-Tides” of about a foot twice a day in the Earth’s crust due to the Moon’s gravity…parameterizes atmospheric microwave refraction data, sweeps the same point only once every 10 days (that’s only 36 times per year), and so on. Read sections 3 and 4. It’s a case of scientists justifying their many years long self-importance scam by claiming accuracy in their calculations that simply isn’t there.

https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/documents/hdbk_j3.pdf

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Mr. Lee
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 11:13 am

I have wondered how they calibrated these satellites. If they don’t agree with the measurements on the ground, how can they know they are correct?

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Mr. Lee
March 2, 2022 12:34 pm

They constantly check against tide gauges…to confirm their correlations aren’t going horribly astray, and especially before conferences. /s

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Dean
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 9:32 pm

Or at least that the correlation is going the right way.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 12:20 pm

For the details-oriented here is a paper that shows what the satellite guys attempt to do…
I quote….
“The Jason-2 orbits using the T2L2 or polynomial fit correction are very close to each other, showing an overall average RMS differences in the radial/cross-track/along-track directions of 1.7 mm, 7.6 mm, and 5.7 mm respectively.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273117720308346

Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 7:38 pm

DMac
And from page 10 of that Jason-3 Handbook:
“As for Jason-2, the sea surface height [measured by Jason-3] shall be provided with a globally average RMS accuracy of 3.4 centimeters (1 sigma), or better, assumimg one second averages.”
Note: Centimeters, not millimeters. And not tenths of a millimeter.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  B Zipperer
March 3, 2022 4:08 pm

Good find…I remembered it was about an inch but couldn’t locate it today….
The Poseidon-3 dual frequency altimeter is what is on board.
Ku Band 12-18 GHz, 2.5–1.67 cm wavelength…
I used to have a uni prof that said people who measured distances with radar often thought they could take N readings and improve their accuracy by SQRT(N)….but they were oblivious to the fact they were selecting a subset of giga-readings per second, therefore were completely wrong, and instead were limited to about 1/2 wavelength at best.
I suppose someone could come up with something better these days using circular polarization, but it ain’t on Poseidon-3…….

spangled drongo
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 2:00 pm

Remember Envisat? Those corrections from 0.46mm/y to 2.52mm/y:

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Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 2:02 pm

It’s a case of scientists justifying their many years long self-importance scam by claiming accuracy in their calculations that simply isn’t there.

Well expressed, DMacKenzie. There isn’t an area of consensus climatology where your observation is not true.

The whole case for climate alarm lives on false precision.

Bill Treuren
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 2, 2022 5:41 pm

Actually its just fraud sorry.
As with all science the central key issue is understanding the “errors”.

They don’t. Or maybe look the other way.

Streetcred
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 2, 2022 6:15 pm

High precision inaccuracies.

Thomas
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 2, 2022 7:09 pm

Dr. Pat, I sure wish you would publish more on your propagation of errors thing. I was astonished that even Dr. Roy didn’t get it. He kept going back to what model outputs do do, missing the point that you were talking about error propagation. (Model output doo-doo, pardon the pun.)

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Thomas
March 3, 2022 4:49 am

Spencer doesn’t understand that uncertainty is not error, like a number of WUWT posters.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 3, 2022 1:44 am

Pat,
“ on false precision”, yes. I have been trying for an easy analogy.
You have a flask that is calibrated to hold 50 millilitres to its calibration mark. Time after time you fill, weigh it and find it to be precise between 49.8 and 50.2 ml. giving +/- 0.2 ml precision in simple terms.
Then, you drop a few small rocks in the flask. You can still fill it to the mark with a precision of +/-0.2 ml, but the accuracy is shot to pieces by the rocks.
With satellite estimates of sea level, one can take millions of readings that agree within something like our +/- precision, but metaphorically, nobody knows if rocks have been dropped into the water.
Oh curses, this is more messy than I hoped it would turn out, but then so is measurement work whose authors seem not to know about accuracy or precision or the place of each to describe a system. Geoff S

DHR
Reply to  DMacKenzie
March 2, 2022 2:41 pm

If I read it correctly, that report concerns ground-to-satellite altitude calibration- a one-way communication signal from instruments affixed to specific locations on dry land. I believe that sea level measurements are made by radar reflection – a two way system. So double the error. Further the satellite altitude is doubtless a function of the earth’s gravity field which varies and is less over the oceans as I recall because water weighs a lot less than rock. Also, I recall that at one time, Dr. Spencer speculated that the satellite measurements are confounded by variations (unknown) and improper correction for the effects of the humidity of the air through which the radar signals propagate. Additionally there are effects on coastal sea level by the local gravity fields, the effects of waves, particularly wave foam, and seafoam in general. All in all, it does not seem credible to me that global sea level can be measured to an accuracy of a fraction of a millimeter by such a system. Maybe someone out there can correct me.

Larry Hamlin
March 2, 2022 10:57 am

Excellent analysis Willis. Great graphics and right on target in dispelling the flawed increasing sea level rise hype along our global coasts that has been falsely proclaimed for the last 35 years by incompetent climate alarmists.

JimG1
March 2, 2022 10:59 am

All of the mathematical masturbation in the world can neither prove nor disprove sea level is accelerating in its rise …. or not. Too many unknowns.

MarkW
Reply to  JimG1
March 2, 2022 11:48 am

Even the knowns aren’t known with sufficient accuracy.

Lil-Mike
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 8:57 pm

there are known unknowns, perhaps there are unknown unknowns too

meiggs
Reply to  JimG1
March 2, 2022 4:28 pm

It always seems to be in the same band every time I go there…hi/lo tide sos yoy

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  JimG1
March 2, 2022 5:00 pm

And we’re looking at data derivatives and second derivatives. Highly dubious.

Thomas
March 2, 2022 11:02 am

Pretty close agreement with the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation

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Nelson
Reply to  Thomas
March 2, 2022 12:28 pm

Winner winner chicken dinner!

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Thomas
March 2, 2022 5:29 pm

Thomas,
Yes, I was going to comment that the lows in the acceleration like 1940s, 1975s, broadly coincide with “climate shifts” in many parts of the literature.
Whether we have these climate shifts because people saw evidence in early tide gauge work, or whether tide gauge interpretation came later and added to the climate shift story, as in cause and effect, I do not know. Geoff S

Thomas
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 2, 2022 7:02 pm

Thanks Geoff. The AMO is not based on tidal gauges, I think it’s sea surface temperature and/or atmospheric pressure.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Thomas
March 2, 2022 8:18 pm

Thomas,
Yes, i know, but broad concepts develop from pieces like a jigsaw. Sometimes it is hard to work out in hindsight the timing of the pieces coming together. Geoff S

Bill Rocks
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 3, 2022 4:28 am

To Geoff S.

Yes. Yours is a wise comment. The history of many scientific theories.

Rud Istvan
March 2, 2022 11:06 am

Sea level rise acceleration is an article of faith among alarmists, starting with Hansen in 1988. The fact that it hasn’t just shows how wrong the whole global warming alarm remains.

Herbert
March 2, 2022 11:14 am

Willis,
As a retired lawyer, my thoughts return to the SCOTUS decision in Massachusetts v. EPA (2007).
The majority found that there was acceptable evidence that Massachusetts was threatened with inundation over this century occasioned by sea level rise.
This of course led to the EPA endangerment finding of December 2009.
As sea level rise is some 6-8 inches a century since 1850 and not accelerating as your post confirms, it is difficult to see how the SCOTUS finding can hold going forward.
That is why the current SCOTUS hearing in West Virginia v. EPA is so important.

alastair gray
Reply to  Herbert
March 2, 2022 11:56 am

If we have so much rampant ignorance among the Political, military and academic institutions of the world would you not expect the judiciary to climb aboard so that they too may wallow in their gratuitous and monumental ignorance

DHR
Reply to  alastair gray
March 2, 2022 2:54 pm

Alastair, rampant ignorance? I call it willful ignorance. All the data one needs to conclude there is no climate “emergency” whether based on temperature, flooding, drought, storms, sea level, fires and everything else is readily available on the web. One would think that policy makers would search out such data to inform their decisions. To not do this makes them willfully ignorant. If they do search and ignore what they see, they are simply corrupt and after so much time and so much data, irredeemably corrupt.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Herbert
March 2, 2022 1:42 pm

Considering that Boston is mostly landfill at this point, and as it has been around for closing in on four centuries, any sea level rise hasn’t affected the city at all. None of the other coastal cities and towns have been abandoned either. The only problems seem to have been from erosion and people foolishly building on sand dunes. And now they are trying to dismantle all the dams in the state because of trout.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Matt Kiro
March 2, 2022 5:03 pm

It’s only foolish to build on sand dunes if you intend to move into them personally.

James Allen
March 2, 2022 11:18 am

As usual, you make interesting observations that laypeople like myself can understand. Thanks for that. While I get the value of having an “overall” rise or fall value that is accurate, it seems to me that coastal dwellers would be better served with honest information about their actual location. If you live say, in the Florida panhandle, it probably doesn’t matter much what the global sea level is doing, based upon it’s historic rates of change. Actually, it probably doesn’t matter much what it’s doing even locally at these rates. But for the person in Florida, I imagine info about their location is more useful to them than some global value. Luckily, they can just walk to the shore and have a look. It’s just like the frantic screeching about “climate change”. The global average, or it’s rate of change is an interesting factoid, and worthy of monitoring, but we humans deal with local temperature changes far greater than the tenths of a degree per decade everyone who isn’t informed seems to screech about endlessly. I’m confident the climate will continue to change, as it always has. We puny humans don’t have a giant role to play in it if we’re not incredibly foolish.

Peter W
March 2, 2022 11:25 am

Given the well-known and widely ignored 1,000 years or so climate cycles, measuring sea level rise and fall on shorter time scales is pretty meaningless. Sea levels were higher several thousand years ago, and we really need to be concerned with the approaching ice age.

meiggs
Reply to  Peter W
March 2, 2022 4:37 pm

yeah…sea level used to be at Columbia, SC but now at Charleston, SC…sea level got so low they found mammoth remains in South Cackalack…apparently all the woolys died perhaps due to sea level rise…10,000 yrs ago…they were doomed as are now we…

MarkW
March 2, 2022 11:43 am

Even if we could get an accurate tidal gauges around all of the shorelines of the world, including all the islands, we still wouldn’t have a complete picture regarding what sea levels are doing, because we would still not know what the ocean basins are doing.

For example, what if there was a major eruption along the Mid-Atlantic ridge that poured many cubic miles of lava into the Atlantic. How would that impact sea levels?

This is not an easy problem and there are no simple fixes.

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Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 5:33 pm

Mark W,
Agreed. We have observed new islands growing in the middles of oceans, but we do not seem to quantify if these affect global sea level to a measurable amount. Anyone have good references to the effects of changes of ocean basin dimensions over time?
Geoff S

Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 2, 2022 7:32 pm
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Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Charles Rotter
March 2, 2022 8:20 pm

Tanks Chas, more reading to do , but interesting. Geoff

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Charles Rotter
March 3, 2022 1:48 am

Chas,
Studied it and recommend it especially if you know some geology. Long but thorough and adds a dimension that some might not want.
Geoff D

Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2022 11:53 am

Another aspect that is ignored is that where there is isostatic rebound happening (such as the coast of Alaska) the rising ocean floor is on the coastal shelf and is therefore displacing water into the rest of the ocean as the shelf rises, thus causing a general sea level rise with no external input of water.

Clyde Spencer
March 2, 2022 11:49 am

Willis,
You say, with respect to Fig. 6, “… there’s no apparent overall increase.” It looks to me that the 30-year trailing trends have a trend of about +0.05 mm/year/year. That is, the trends appear to increase, erratically, from about -0.75 to about +0.75 over the 30-year period. Have you tried fitting an OLS regression line to the blue line to confirm your claim?

Thomas
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 2, 2022 1:23 pm

And a series of 100 random number will essentially always have a trend.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Thomas
March 3, 2022 2:50 pm

I’m not sure I believe that. At least not a statistically significant trend.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 3, 2022 3:06 pm

The problem is, there are almost always what appear to be periodic components to measurements of natural systems. The annual/seasonal one is most common. However, for things like tides, there are also periodic astronomical components.

The question becomes, how does one demonstrate that there is a real trend, versus a pseudo-trend. It would seem that one period would suffice to call an asymmetry a trend. If one truncates the data to have even-multiples of the period, they run the risk of being criticized for cherry-picking start and end dates. One way around that is to strictly define the calculated trend as being an apparent trend based on all the available data, subject to future updates.

Therefore, I’d still be inclined to say that your Fig. 6 is showing an apparent trend, unlike your claim of “no apparent overall increase.”

Dave O.
March 2, 2022 12:04 pm

Both the temperature record and the sea level data confirm that there is no climate emergency.

Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 12:05 pm

Once again, Mr. Eschenbach, I invite you to share with us the specific file you used in the generation of this chart project. And, just to be clear, I’m not asking for a link or a reference, but rather the internal data to the charting software you’re using with the associated parameters. If you’d prefer, you can also email this file to me directly, barryanthony35@aol.com.

Thanks in advance.

[badgering Willis by touting your ineptness does not improve your position here or your credibility. ~cr]

Barry Anthony
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 2, 2022 2:32 pm

“If you are unable to replicate my work using that data, tough. I can only give you the data. I can’t understand it for you.”

It’s unfortunate that you don’t work in an established spreadsheet/charting environment, instead claiming to work in a niche programming environment such as R. That makes the considerations of transparency more challenging. But, that said, I can work in R, and would appreciate access to the repository with the stack used in the generation of these charts (read-only of course). Failing that, perhaps you’ve uploaded an archive of your work to CRAN? That would make access easier.

Again, thanks in advance.

(Please learn to use quote tags and separate your comment from the quoted words) SUNMOD

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Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 3:21 pm

I am curious who you email to give you these canned answers. R is not niche but the primary open source statistical math tool in the world.

R is an integrated suite of software facilities for data manipulation, calculation and graphical display. It includes

an effective data handling and storage facility,
a suite of operators for calculations on arrays, in particular matrices,
a large, coherent, integrated collection of intermediate tools for data analysis,
graphical facilities for data analysis and display either on-screen or on hardcopy, and
a well-developed, simple and effective programming language which includes conditionals, loops, user-defined recursive functions and input and output facilities.

It’s clear you’re in communication with one or more people using you as the sacrificial lamb, or tip of the spear depending on your framing. In a couple of days you’ve gone from demanding an emailed package, (you could forward) to: oh well I guessssss I can work in R if I reeeeaallly haaaaaaaaaave to.

TonyL
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 3:42 pm

I wasted my time below, I see.
It’s unfortunate that you don’t work in an established spreadsheet/charting environment
Translation: “Microsoft Excel is the *only* thing to use. If you do not know that, you are stupid”
Thanks for letting me know.
Then this:
access to the repository with the stack used
Can anybody explain to me what he is prattling on about.
A repository containing a stack, in R????

Reply to  TonyL
March 2, 2022 3:46 pm

People are coaching him what to ask next, so it can get screwed up in translation.

LdB
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 6:33 pm

I thought you had reached the limits of stupidity when you were going on about comparing model outputs and everything was big oil shill. Nope you have now proved you are a complete halfwitt.

Can please go and get an education and come back.

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Drake
Reply to  LdB
March 2, 2022 7:46 pm

Complete 1/2 wit? I think you give him 1/2 too much wit.

TonyL
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 3:02 pm

I will try to be helpful.
Willis uses the R programming language. R is the language of statistics and has become the darling of the Bio-Statistics crowd, both because it is fast and can handle huge data sets with out choking. Highly Recommended.
Check out CRAN, the Comprehensive R Archive Network. CRAN has mirror sites worldwide for fast, easy downloading.
Get R, the R programming language and then R-Studio, the do-it-all development environment.
Sweet!

Then you could jump in and join the fun. Grab the data file in question off the interwebs, Read it into the R environment. Then have fun. Regressions, stats, what have you. Then you plot it all up, as you see, R allows you to make really nice looking graphs.

Need help getting started? Take an on-line course at edX, again highly recommended. Years back I took an edX course from the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm.
These days closer to home (for me) edX courses are run by Harvard and MIT among many others. Topics range from “Intro. to R Programming” all the way up to “Advanced BioInformatics” and even “Big Data Techniques”. Best of all, it is all free.

******************
Side note:
Way back, around 2021 or so, WUWT ran a couple of posts singing the praises of R. At first I had no interest in learning another niche language which would likely just be another “flash-in-the-pan”. Just not worth to effort.
Eventually I was convinced to take a look. Fabulous, I never looked back.
Maybe it is time for a few more posts singing the R praises and maybe even some R Programming Seminar type posts.

TonyL
Reply to  TonyL
March 2, 2022 3:44 pm

“Way back, around 2021”
Oops, 2012 actually.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 2, 2022 5:13 pm

It’s a “smoke” stack.

PCman999
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 4, 2022 12:48 am

Is R good for general purpose programming, replacing C++ say, for making any kind of app, or is just suited for taking in data, analysis and then reports and graphing? I’m kind of curious, having resisted learning any new languages in the past 20 yrs (OMG I am old)

March 2, 2022 12:07 pm

No stir in the air, no stir in the sea
The ship was as still as she could be
Her sail from heaven received no motion
Her keel was steady in the ocean

Without either sight or sound of the shock
The waves rolled over the Inchcape Rock
So little they rose, so little the fell
They did not move the Inchcape Bell

The good old Abbott of Aberbrothock
Had placed that bell on the Inchcape Rock
On a buoy in a storm it floated and swung
And over the waves its warning rung

When the Rock was hid by the surge’s swell
The mariners heard the warning bell
And then they know the perilous rock
And blessed the Abbott of Aberbrothock

There are 13 more verses .. I know the whole thing by heart.
I was made to memorise it as punishment while at boarding school, age 12, for being caught walking on the roof at night. Only death or Alzheimers will clear it from my memory.

Scissor
Reply to  Phil Salmon
March 2, 2022 1:15 pm

In my best impression of Barry Anthony, “A frontal lobotomy or electroshock would do it too. I ought to know.”

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Scissor
March 2, 2022 5:15 pm

“A frontal lobotomy or the bottle in front of me.”

Drake
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
March 2, 2022 7:49 pm

The way I heard it:

I would rather have a free bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy.

March 2, 2022 12:13 pm

I posted an article here a few years ago based on tide gauges with long time span. My conclusion then was that we could not see any acceleration there.

However, I think we can spot a small acceleration trend in your figure 6. The curve is positive from the early 1980-ies, and end in the highest positive value on record.

Since this is acceleration, the actual speed of sea level rise is the integral of this graph.

The area under the graph after 1980 is larger than any such positive or negative area in the past. That indicate that we now have an acceleration.

/Jan

Paul Johnson
March 2, 2022 12:29 pm

Willis,

Nice work. To address any question of cherry-picking, does Figure 6 look different when the cut-off point for record inclusion is somewhat longer or shorter than 75 years?

Paul Johnson
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 2, 2022 6:37 pm

Seems like a pretty durable result. Thanks

dk_
March 2, 2022 1:01 pm

Many thanks for yet another clearly reasoned and documented article. I’ve often wondered how to correlate rising/sinking landmass to the figures presented for sea level rise, and here you’ve done it.

One wonders if the rate of lateral motion, “continental drift,” is also a factor, since the figures I’ve seen measures the movement on a similar scale, and would in any case, affect the measurement datum at any given sample point.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  dk_
March 2, 2022 3:12 pm

That I can answer. Continental drift is so slow it has no impact on SLR over a century. The most active global spreading area is the mid Atlantic ridge. It’s spreading averages about 2.5 cm/year, so 2.5 meters wider average Atlantic Ocean per century. So Columbus had to sail about 13 meters less far in 1492. His boats were longer than that.

Now, with respect to relative sea level, this is NOT true where ‘continental drift’ results in subductions or overthrusts. West Coast of Alaska is a prime example. Essay ‘By Land or by Sea’ in ebook Blowing Smoke is very explicit and graphic.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 2, 2022 5:17 pm

But they never mention Columbus’s 4th ship, the San Gorgonio, the one that sailed over the edge.

dk_
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 2, 2022 5:19 pm

Thanks, Rud. I will re-read that chapter.

Excuse my lack of the appropriate language, but I know that ocean charts use a geographer chosen datum to determine relative sea level — usually a point derived from where a high-altitude point (e.g. mountain top) can be accuratly surveyed, to a point where the sea level can be measured, and this vertical distance treated as a constant. How might the sea level measurement change if the vertical distance is not constant? For instance, volcanic features can rise and fall, and plate lateral movement can make up to 2.5 cm/year difference in location. If one uses a different ruler, or one that is shaved by a little each year, can those measurements be “trusted?”

I blame it all on the moon, anyway : “Lunar Forced Global Warming” ‘https://www.climateclock.no/2021/03/09/lunar-climate/’

Bean
March 2, 2022 1:03 pm

Willis,

Help.

Sea Level rise in relation to what? Satellites eventually tie their altitude to the ITRS center of mass of the earth [which moves and has its own uncertainty]. Sea Level from tide gages ties to datums like WGS 84 which tie to ellipsoid models and somehow result in a mean sea level determination. With all this estimating and modeling, and multiple references, how do we really believe we have measured anything to millimeter accuracy [not millimeter precision]?

Thanks.

Thomas
Reply to  Bean
March 2, 2022 1:32 pm

how do we really believe we have measured anything to millimeter accuracy.”

We don’t. It’s all swamped by uncertainty. But it’s interesting anyway.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Bean
March 2, 2022 3:15 pm

Not Willis. But please read previous post here few year back specifically requested by CR. ‘Jason 3 fit for purpose?’ or some title like that. Laid it all out very specifically.

Julian Flood
March 2, 2022 1:25 pm

Stilling wells must have some sort of lag as the waves slosh up and down. So one might guess that on a still day the sea level would read higher than the same location on a rough day.

Or does the water just build up in the well, delayed in leaking out in the same way as it is slowed entering?

Does anyone know? Has anyone looked?

JF

Julian Flood
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 2, 2022 11:33 pm

Thanks. I was assuming quicker equilibrating (if that’s a word). When all you’ve got is a hammer…

Now, about the Sea of Marmara…

JF

DHR
Reply to  Julian Flood
March 2, 2022 3:11 pm
Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
March 2, 2022 1:58 pm

That is an excellent painting. 🙂

Bob
March 2, 2022 2:11 pm

Excellent.

March 2, 2022 3:18 pm

So, its OK to start peeing off the side of the boat again.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  ferdberple
March 2, 2022 9:49 pm

Pro tip, use a piss bucket

Reduced embarrassing tinkle tracks

March 2, 2022 3:46 pm

The question not asked is what holds the oceans up? How do we know this force is constant? Without fluctuation?

Because without the heat of the earths core the oceans would have long ago drained deep into the earth.

And today the oceans extend far below the ocean basins, under the continents as well, until they reach the boiling point of water at pressure.

And it is this layer of superheated steam that balances the force of gravity on the water column above, that prevents the oceans from sinking deeper.

Without data for that layer we are really only guessing what is going on at the surface.

meiggs
Reply to  ferdberple
March 2, 2022 5:03 pm

Pellucidar!

Steve Fitzpatrick
March 2, 2022 5:18 pm

Hi Willis,
The overlap period between Jason 1 and Jason 2 (about 5 years of data) might show if the two are really generating different slopes. I mean, if the best estimates of slope for the two satellites are statistically different (with non-overlapping uncertainties), that would be strong evidence that the change in satellite at least partially explains the apparent ‘acceleration’.

Steve Fitzpatrick
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 3, 2022 1:58 pm

Hi Willis,

I guess I wasn’t clear. I mean the trends for ONLY the 5 year overlap period. The two trends and uncertainties you list include all earlier years in the Jason 1 trend and all later years in the Jason 2 trend. To be sure there wasn’t a real change in trend that happened right around the time of the change in satellites, I think you have to compare the trends during the overlap period alone. If the two trends during only the overlap period differ significantly, then I think that is very strong evidence the change in satellites caused the change in trends, rather than acceleration in the sea level rise.

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Steve Fitzpatrick
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 3, 2022 5:39 pm

Hi Willis,

I split out the 5 year overlap period for Jason 1 and Jason 2, and calculated the slope and its uncertainty for each satellite during that period.

For Jason 1: Slope = 3.1127+/- 0.4088 mm/yr
(that is, +/- 2 standard error)

For Jason 2: Slope = 3.3567 +/- 0.3697 mm/yr

The slopes do differ by about 8%, but the uncertainties in the estimated slopes are far too large to say that the two satellites are really different from each other.

There were several gaps in the data where one satellite or the other was not recording data…. which is puzzling.

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Steve Fitzpatrick
Reply to  Steve Fitzpatrick
March 3, 2022 6:03 pm

Hi Again Willis,

I messed up transcription of the Jason 2 numbers. Correct is:

Jason 2: Slope = 3.4427 +/- 0.3439

So the slopes differ by about 10%, but the uncertainties are still to high to draw any conclusions about whether the two satellites are actually different from each other.

Steve Fitzpatrick
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
March 4, 2022 5:49 am

Hello Willis,
The difference between the two satellites during the overlap is larger than I thought, even though not statistically significant. While not statistically significant, the difference is not terribly far from significant. A change in satellite certainly could have been at least in part responsible for the perceived acceleration. But in spite of the relatively wide uncertainty, the slopes for both satellites during the overlap period do appear to be statistically different from the longer term trends for each individual satellite, which suggests to me that there is more going on than just a change in satellite.

It has been a while since I looked closely at what drives sea level away from its longer term trend in the short/medium term, but my recollection is that the biggest factor is variation in land storage of water, caused mostly by rainfall shifts, with land water storage increased somewhat during the la Nina phase.

I would not suggest that the underlying trend undergoes a big change in 5 years, but depending on the timing of ENSO, the true shape of the underlying long term trend may be obscured over a considerable time. If I remember correctly, ENSO has a ‘natural period’ which varies somewhat, but averages near 48 months. It may be informative to generate a 49 month centered rolling average of satellite sea level to average out some of the ENSO driven variation, or to use an ENSO index (probably lagged somewhat) as an independent predictor of sea level variation (eg a two factor linear regression: time and ENSO state against satellite sea level). The Akaike Information Criterion can be used to determine how much adding a second independent variable reduces the determinative power of the regression. Accounting for the influence of ENSO in the satellite data may clarify the longer term background trend in sea level.

I’ll take a look at those in the next day or two.

Marty Cornell
March 2, 2022 9:16 pm

The late Tom Wysmuller had frequently spoke about the message told from tectonically stable tide gage stations, such as that at Slipshaven, Denmark: The harbor of Nyborg, Denmark, is Slipshavn; it is located at a tectonically stable site with no rebound uplift or subsidence. Slipshavn’s relative sea level trend is 1.07 mm/year with a 95% confidence interval of +/- 0.14 mm/year based on monthly mean sea level data from 1896 to 2017 which is equivalent to a change of 0.35 feet in 100 years. So, in an area with no uplift and no subsidence, there is a methodical linear and relatively unchanging trend with no accelerating CO2 signal visible within that trend.

Tom’s unpublished conclusions in a paper he was preparing for the ICCC14:
1: Long-term Tide Gauges reporting sea level trends all over in the world show generally straight-line linear trends. 2: Local tectonics are the major factor underlying the upward or downward direction of reported shoreline sea level. 3: Satellite altimeter readings since 1993 show generally straight-line linear trends, but in an upward direction two and a half times greater than the upward trend observed in tide gauges located in tectonically inert zones.

Old England
March 2, 2022 11:33 pm

Hi Willis,
Thanks for all you do. This is off-topic so please excuse this, but it is some thing I wanted to pass to you to see if you have come across any work on this or looked at or might want to look at yourself. It perhaps sits alongside your thoughts and work on ocean evaporation and cloud formation acting as a natural thermostat.

We know from satellite observation that increased CO2 levels have resulted in significant increases in global vegetation of ~15% – 20%. Measured from increased rates of arboreal growth.

That increase relies on solar energy being converted through photosynthesis into tree and plant tissue and so (presumably?) is removing that energy from atmosphere in and thus altering the global energy balance and thus (presumably?) altering temperature. What amount of energy might that remove from the system if the increase amounts to perhaps billions of tonnes of increased vegetation and what might be the resultant temperature change ?

I wonder if this suggests that increased CO2 levels create a further thermostatic effect to control / reduce temperatures through vegetative response removing energy from the atmosphere.

I wonder if others have any knowledge or thoughts on this?

Apologies if this seems naive …..

kindest regards
Old England

Lasse
March 3, 2022 12:20 am

Thanks Willis
Always good analyses .
Confirmation of the result shown in the records here (mostly all records show periodic change in change):
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?plot=50yr&id=9414290

But what causes this periodic trend?

Lasse
Reply to  Lasse
March 3, 2022 12:41 am

Willis have helped me before.
Periodicity is hard to understand.
This is an analyse of periodicity in sea levels with Cuxhafen as example compared to AMO:
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Windsong
March 3, 2022 11:20 am

Prof. Cliff Mass jumps into the fray (again) with his hometown newspaper.
https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2022/03/misinformation-about-sea-level-rise.html

PCman999
March 3, 2022 9:47 pm

Deaths from cold outweigh deaths from heat roughly 10:1, so doing anything to stop warming ( if it’s even possible) is criminal.

Follow the science: protect those around you, drive an suv, heat your house with gas as warm as you like, don’t vote for anyone talking woke.

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